Turning Right into a road with vehicles waiting to turn right

[pyrocam]

well legally speaking. you give way to the people waiting to turn right who are on your right. but its commonly known that it hardly ever happens.

I've saw the other day some cage honking at another cage because they were letting the driver on his right go. since I saw that and I dont like cagers I always (well 90% of the time) let them go first now. although saying that im never assuming I have right of way and going even though I would win in court or whatever, (maybe I can pedal the RGV out infront of some cars and get it writen off) Anyways. after doing this for a couple months I noticed some cagers actually waited at their position thinking I would go. even with feet on the ground and arms folded just to run my point home. I actually had to hand signal someone to go after 3 gaps in the traffic while they looked at me. gah!

anyway. answer the poll.

[Magua]

I've never had this problem, not once I think. Odd.

[MacD]

well legally speaking. you give way to the people waiting to turn right who are on your right. but its commonly known that it hardly ever happens.

I presume you mean two cars turning right at an uncontrolled intersection (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/giving-way/uncontrolled-intersections3.html) as in the attached picture?

If you don't obey that one I hope you watch out for Motu and his Pajero! :wacko:

[Waylander]

I let them go unless I have someone comming behind me who is going straigh as per the law. Never been cut off or nearly hit for that. It's other things that get me worried. I never trust stop signs or expect peaple to turn down the correct side of a median barrier if it'll save them a few seconds off thier trip...

[dhunt]

well legally speaking. you give way to the people waiting to turn right who are on your right. but its commonly known that it hardly ever happens.

I've saw the other day some cage honking at another cage because they were letting the driver on his right go. since I saw that and I dont like cagers I always (well 90% of the time) let them go first now. although saying that im never assuming I have right of way and going even though I would win in court or whatever, (maybe I can pedal the RGV out infront of some cars and get it writen off) Anyways. after doing this for a couple months I noticed some cagers actually waited at their position thinking I would go. even with feet on the ground and arms folded just to run my point home. I actually had to hand signal someone to go after 3 gaps in the traffic while they looked at me. gah!

anyway. answer the poll.

Personally I give way to anything bigger than me. This rule is one of those gray rules where it is not always clear when and where to practice it and I think often causes more confusion than help. Therefore I follow the first rule and try and not get hit.

[Motu]

I presume you mean two cars turning right at an uncontrolled intersection (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/giving-way/uncontrolled-intersections3.html) as in the attached picture?

If you don't obey that one I hope you watch out for Motu and his Pajero! :wacko:

That's the exact intersection where I got hit in the Pajero a couple of weeks ago - but it has a give way sign.The red car ran straight into the side of my blue Pajero as I came around.But it used to be an uncontroled intersection,and as I use it many times a day used to get sick of trying to get the red car to go first,as they have right of way.In the end I gave up and just treated it as a controled intersection - and one day got severly revved up a driving instructor.He was right of course.Finaly they put a Give Way sign up - people just don't know an uncontrolled intersection exists.

[thealmightytaco]

Yeah I didn't come across one of these intersections till just a few years ago, and by then you're so used to there being a give way there it's just not second nature. More used to it now but I still gotta go a bit slow and think about it a couple times.

[zooter]

i'm wih Motu, except when I was doing my licence test and I had to stop and wave for an extended period.

[Warren]

I think some people get confused as most of these T -intersections have a giveway sign but not all do. I had some old lady acclerate nearly missing me when I was turning right into a side street and I put my indicators on as late as I could as well.

[Drum]

This is a pretty stupid situation, because if youre turning right into the side street not only do you have to look out for oncoming vehicles, but you have to determine what control (i.e. signs and markings) the other driver has to obey - ludicrous - and too much for the average human brain. By the way, the only reason intersections are uncontrolled like this is due to laziness/ cheapness by the road controlling authority.

Same rules apply at exits from shopping centres etc.

[Warren]

I have a feeling that this scenero is more common, where the person with the right of way gets their path blocked by the person that does not have right of way.

The second illustration shows what happens when people follow the road code.

[MacD]

Personally I give way to anything bigger than me. This rule is one of those gray rules where it is not always clear when and where to practice it and I think often causes more confusion than help. Therefore I follow the first rule and try and not get hit.

You do realise you're training drivers not to give way to bikes by doing this!? I understand the sentiment but I'd rather not be the next rider that the driver comes across ("But officer the other bike gave way to me!?")

Seriously, the rule is when turning, give way to your right. It's not even a complex rule. The whole thing about major/minor roads and right-of-way was removed in 1977 or so.

On the other hand, I suspect that any uncontrolled intersections in urban areas are a bad idea as they are now so uncommon that people just adopt the headless chicken approach to driving when confronted with them.

[Magua]

I presume you mean two cars turning right at an uncontrolled intersection (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/giving-way/uncontrolled-intersections3.html) as in the attached picture?:wacko:

Ok in this senario, no one ever gives way. I think I've had one person give way to me at the bottom of my street. I'm not sure if I should try it as been t boned by someone who doens't know the road rules doens't sound like much fun to me.

[Jeremy]

Just bring along some white paint with you and whenever you come accross intersections like this, turn them into give ways :P

[pyrocam]

Just bring along some white paint with you and whenever you come accross intersections like this, turn them into give ways :P

but hang on a tick when two people are both at a position to give way, then the you remove all the signs and follow the give way rules?

Vehicles leaving the path of the centre line are said to be turning. Therefore, the give way rules apply. (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/giving-way/uncontrolled-intersections5.html)

When turning right at an intersection, you must give way to: all right-turning vehicles coming from your right (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/giving-way/uncontrolled-intersections3.html)

but its early in the morning. I guess the giveway sign beats no giveway sign even if they are oblidged to giveway. hmmm. should put it down to a match of paper-scissors-rock

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damn. I lose I guess

[DMNTD]

Personally I give way to anything bigger than me. This rule is one of those gray rules where it is not always clear when and where to practice it and I think often causes more confusion than help. Therefore I follow the first rule and try and not get hit.

I'm exactly the same due to others personal interpretation of the law.
Rather piss someone off behind me than get squished :dodge:

[Korumba]

Worst corner for this up here is Cameron & John Streets
You can sit in Rynoz Bar and be well entertained. Most Bike riders get it right, and about one in 20 cars.

[Jamiepo]

Okay my GF works at a mall here in CHCH and this problem has croped up a fair few times. Car 1 has right of way, therefore car 3 should be free to go as well except that car 2 legally has right of way over car 3 so can car 3 go or does it have to wait for car 1 to turn then car 2 to turn??

[TwoSeven]

The way I was taught give way rules in the UK (most apply here) is that the vehicle breaking the centerline must give way. In the case of both cars both doing right turns. The car pulling out of the side turn must give way - this is because that car is not obstructing a main thrufare.

The reason is, the car parked in the center of the road (the top car) is placing itself as a hazard to other traffic that is travelling in a straight line, so it needs to clear that area as soon as possible (not all side turnings are marked with a turning lane). When I did my advanced driving course, I was told that I should use the vehicle to control the intersection, that means you drive in front of the other vehicle to stop it pulling out (in the pic above, car 2 should stop in front of car 1)

The other reason, is that if you were to pull out of the intersection in front of a car waiting to make a right turn (car 1 pulling out in front of car 2), its likely you might get t-boned by a car that was hidden by the one you are driving in front of (a car may undertake car 2 on the inside or in the non-passing lane).

They also draw the turning lane intersection markings (car 2s lane) in a silly way here to increase the confusion -- I think the top markings stop 5 feet too short, they should come to the middle of the intersection, not the start of the intersection

[MacD]

The way I was taught give way rules in the UK (most apply here) is that the vehicle breaking the centerline must give way. In the case of both cars both doing right turns. The car pulling out of the side turn must give way - this is because that car is not obstructing a main thrufare.


Nope, sorry, that rule went the way of the Dodo here in about 1977. As I said above, there is no major/minor road rule these days.

The similar rule to this in NZ (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/giving-way/uncontrolled-intersections5.html) is that if you follow a road around a corner, through a V intersection for example, and the centreline follows the corner, you are technically not turning. If you cross the centreline, then you are turning.

[Ixion]

Okay my GF works at a mall here in CHCH and this problem has croped up a fair few times. Car 1 has right of way, therefore car 3 should be free to go as well except that car 2 legally has right of way over car 3 so can car 3 go or does it have to wait for car 1 to turn then car 2 to turn??

Simple enough. 3 gives way to 2 (left turn gives way to right); who gives way to 1 (both turning right, give way to your right).

If 3 can complete his turn before 2 is able to turn, he may do so.No different to if 2 had arrived a few seconds later. Failure to do so before 2 is ready to go, be it on his own head

The rules really are very simple. It's all in the Road Code. With pictures even

[zooter]

Nope, sorry, that rule went the way of the Dodo here in about 1977. As I said above, there is no major/minor road rule these days.

The similar rule to this in NZ (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/giving-way/uncontrolled-intersections5.html) is that if you follow a road around a corner, through a V intersection for example, and the centreline follows the corner, you are technically not turning. If you cross the centreline, then you are turning.

Mac D you should read the mans signature and then you'd know you're wasting your time trying to educate him with rules

Plain and simple version:
If it's not on a Give Way and would hit you on your right side you must give way to it. If you're turning and the other isn't , give way

[pritch]

Ok in this senario, no one ever gives way.

Too true.

When I was driving a bus in another life there was one particular run I dreaded, partly because of the pressure, partly because of the class of the clientele. Two corners involved this exact situation, in both instances I had right of way but this was virtually never conceded. I hate to be too predictable but by about Thursday I would insist.

Outraged indignation wouldn't come close to describing the reaction.

I have also shown this diagram to the staff at work, the males all got it right, the females, with only 2 older exceptions got it wrong. (Those 2 had recently had teenagers sitting licences.) One would have thought the law of averages would suggest that at least half the females would have got it right even if they were guessing. Still can't figure that out....

[Lou Girardin]

My personal favourite is the supermarket exit scenario, where drivers turning right into the supermarket won't give way because they're on the 'main road'.

[XP@]

Will do it unless it is too goddam scarry to stop...
like when a car is up yer arse and you havn't worked out wtf it is about to do next.