Crashes on rides.

[White trash]

So. You're at a KB event or ride, someone has a big enough biff to be carted in an Ambo. Maybe life threatening, maybe not.

Do you

A: Race home, get online and post it for the world to see.
B: Give it a couple of days and the post it.
C: Post it but only after asking the rider who's been injured or
D: Let them or one of their family post about it.

Post your coments if you will, I know alot of people wont post it but feel the same way I do. That's what the poll is for.

[Korumba]

What a Wank!!!!

[White trash]

How's that Korumba? Please, elaborate on your oppinion.

[Sensei]

I know where you are coming from Jimmy . I take alot of group ride's round here & had afew Binn's while on them nothing to go putting into to the next News Paper tho . People are interested in knowing how the rider is not about anything else so that could be something for Newer member's to think about for future post's ?

[NotaGoth]

Maybe this is something that should just be left to rest rather than going on about it. :mellow:

[Qkchk]

Would you guys like me to withdrawl my pics? Sorry if i have offended anyone....... :crybaby:

[NotaGoth]

ok here.. say in another situation.. the rider dies.. family wise no one knows they use KB (you can't say everyones family members know about the site) who will post to say somethings happened? the rider can't do it.. family can't.. yet SOME people may like to know?

[justsomeguy]

Isn't it general policy here to follow option D.

I've done it before and feel that's it's the crasher's wish or his family's wish.

Yes, sometimes newbies get it wrong. But that's cos they're newbies to KB.

NOT because they mean to cause trouble. It's human nature to burst out if you have something you wish to talk about.

It's the "Eureka, Eureka" syndrome.

[White trash]

Would you guys like me to withdrawl my pics? Sorry if i have offended anyone....... :crybaby:

Not sure what you're on about dude, but I aint seen no pics.

Clarification: There used to be a bit of a gentlemans/womans agreement that fellow KBers wouldn't post the details of injury crashes before the person who binned could do it themselves. I thought that was still the deal, common courtesy.

Aparently not.

[White trash]

NOT because they mean to cause trouble. It's human nature to burst out if you have something you wish to talk about.

It's the "Eureka, Eureka" syndrome.

No one on here except Mikey and WINJA wanna cause trouble, I know that, I just can't understand why people get their backs up so bad about being told to settle down and be quiet.

[Qkchk]

Not sure what you're on about dude, but I aint seen no pics.


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=19036&page=3

[NotaGoth]

Clarification: There used to be a bit of a gentlemans/womans agreement that fellow KBers wouldn't post the details of injury crashes before the person who binned could do it themselves. I thought that was still the deal, common courtesy.

Aparently not.

That should apply to the chat too then, and people discussing "who fell off" before that person can post details for themselves. Right or wrong?

[Riff Raff]

ok here.. say in another situation.. the rider dies.. family wise no one knows they use KB (you can't say everyones family members know about the site) who will post to say somethings happened? the rider can't do it.. family can't.. yet SOME people may like to know?

Can you imagine how I would feel if something happened to White Trash - lets say I'm at work and have left my cellphone at home (common occurance). I come back to station from a job to find a post that something has happened to him. Not only that, but his ex wife and mother of his children finds out the same way. Do any of you think that is on?

I think people should wait before they post this sort of stuff.

[NotaGoth]

Can you imagine how I would feel if something happened to White Trash - lets say I'm at work and have left my cellphone at home (common occurance). I come back to station from a job to find a post that something has happened to him. Not only that, but his ex wife and mother of his children finds out the same way. Do any of you think that is on?

I think people should wait before they post this sort of stuff.

I can understand that, but also now we need to think about the use of chat to discuss bins also then. :blink:

[justsomeguy]

No one on here except Mikey and WINJA wanna cause trouble, I know that, I just can't understand why people get their backs up so bad about being told to settle down and be quiet.

I know what you mean Jimmy cos I know where you're coming from. I'm sure you've done your share of sweeping away the glass, putting pressure on the wound to stop the bleeding, having to explain to the dad/mum/gf/ etc.

However the answer to your question lies in your own words:


No one on here except Mikey and WINJA wanna cause trouble, I know that, I just can't understand why people get their backs up so bad about being told to settle down and be quiet.

EDIT: SM says what I mean quite well.

[DEATH_INC.]

It should be kept quiet at least 'till the offender (or victim or whatever)has the chance to tell their story. :crybaby:

[britneys underpants]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=19036&page=3


My paranoid 2 cents worth. I just dont think its a very good idea too post details including photos if the pooolice did not attend and its not reported. Evidence of careless use etc etc etc.

[Ixion]

It should be kept quiet at least 'till the offender (or victim or whatever)has the chance to tell their story.

That assumes that it can be kept secret. Crashes will often be reported in other media (news, police comms, word of mouth). And when word of a crash is received it may not be known that the downed rider is a KBer.

There have been several instances where a rider has crashed and someone has printed out the good wishes and commiserations expressed here, and taken them to the downed rider. They have I believe invariably been well received. Recent instance is the Hog rider who crashed on College Hill.

Reality is that we all indulge in a pastime that is dangerous, and which may kill us, or worse , seriously injure us. It is pointless IMHO to stick individual or collective heads in the sand and pretend that crashes don't happen.

I think everyone knows my opinion of crashing. But I fully expect that one day I will die riding a bike. It may well be tomorrow . So be it, that is the call I make. If it does happen I certainly am not interested in people trying to keep it quiet or hush it up.

Nor do I believe that any KBer would ever rush out to post bad news motivated by any intent to "big note". Or that anyone (including Mr WINJA and Mr Mikey ) wants to cause trouble.

I regard all bikers as my brothers. (or sisters). If one of them is hurt or in trouble, I care about that.

Perhaps the choice, keep it secret , or tell people, could be included on each users profile.

[NotaGoth]

Perhaps the choice, keep it secret , or tell people, could be included on each users profile.

Sounds like a good idea.

[White trash]

Cool then.

Before the option becomes available, I DONT want my Mum, Dad, partner (both brothers are also KBers) reading about me being flown to hospital by rescue chopper on this forum. Thanks for asking.

As you were.

[WINJA]

IF IM ON A RIDE AND SOMEONE CRASHES I TAKE PHOTOS , INCLUDING OF MYSELF , IF YOU CRASH AND WALK AWAY ITS ALL GOOD HAVE A LAUGH

[White trash]

That assumes that it can be kept secret. Crashes will often be reported in other media (news, police comms, word of mouth). And when word of a crash is received it may not be known that the downed rider is a KBer.


Point taken, although it's comon media protocol NOT to mention names untill family have been notified.

[White trash]

IF IM ON A RIDE AND SOMEONE CRASHES I TAKE PHOTOS , INCLUDING OF MYSELF , IF YOU CRASH AND WALK AWAY ITS ALL GOOD HAVE A LAUGH

That's great, we're not talking about "walking" away though.

[Korumba]

How's that Korumba? Please, elaborate on your oppinion.


Logged into KB for the first time today, saw this post read it and thought someone has issues here and has not got the balls to say what they want and hid it in a poll with little school girl/boy options….

I did see the post about the crash at the Track (is that a Ride??) yesterday and the last post I saw was from Cibby saying things looked good for the dude that crashed…

I guessed the post had something to do with that hence my “what a wank” post for the above reasons

I now see there’s some shit going down I haven’t read much of it and still say the way you have approached this is a Wank…

[White trash]

Logged into KB for the first time today, saw this post read it and thought someone has issues here and has not got the balls to say what they want and hid it in a poll with little school girl/boy options….

I did see the post about the crash at the Track (is that a Ride??) yesterday and the last post I saw was from Cibby saying things looked good for the dude that crashed…

I guessed the post had something to do with that hence my “what a wank” post for the above reasons

I now see there’s some shit going down I haven’t read much of it and still say the way you have approached this is a Wank…

Actually, the reason I posted it away from that thread, is everyone (myself icluded) don't want Daryl to have to read that egotistcal crap. How is asking for other peoples opinion a "wank"? I've made mine all too clear, as have the people on the other side of the fence.

If you don't have an opinoin on the subject posted, why post verbal dioreha in the thread? Who benefits?

[NotaGoth]

I now see there’s some shit going down I haven’t read much of it and still say the way you have approached this is a Wank…


everything is calm now, he actually said "sorry" in the other thread.





:calm:

*kittie*

[BLACKYOSHI1000]

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[Karma]

Without trying to drag this out and / or sound negative.

I'm of the opinion that it should be up for the family to decide if they want to post the information should something happen. My brother reads KB and I wouldn't want him to read on here and see photos etc... before someone informed him directly.

But as a side note... I'd like the family to post the information, because I believe that only when you see something like the pictures in the other thread do you learn that what we do on an everyday basis is dangerous... and if seeing imagines / hearing details of how I (heaven forbid) lost it could make only one person take that extra bit of care, then that's one less family that needs to be notified when the worst invariably happens.

[NotaGoth]

IM DOING BETTER THAN THAT
IM NOT INTO THIS CHILDISH BULLSHIT OR BEING JUDGED FOR TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING
SO ALL THE BEST BOY`S N CIRL`S :finger: THANK`S FOR THE :kick: PEOPLE


:argh: ffs dammit..

[Zed]

So. You're at a KB event or ride, someone has a big enough biff to be carted in an Ambo. Maybe life threatening, maybe not.I have observed on KB during my time here that there is a major difference of opinion between those who were actually present at the scene of the mishap and those who were not! I can recall several bin threads on here where scraps occured between members because one person is describing the facts while the other is hypothesising about what may or may not have happened!

During a number of the KB rides I have been on where there has been a bin and it has been reported on the site soon after, the ones who were on the ride generally have more knowledge and sympathy about what happened and therefore are more understanding, but those who were not there somehow make it their business to think that they have the right to lay blame or make critical comments about ANYTHING, which usually just causes a stir (like in Yoshi's thread about Dss3), when they should just shut their mouths and only post encouraging words on the public forum and send a private message otherwise!

Personally, if I was going to start a thread about someone's crash I would get consent from the rider if possible, but sometimes circumstances don't allow it. So I'd probably use a certain tone of language that makes people understand that the main reason I am posting about it is for genuine reasons of concern to all involved. I can only speak for myself though, and if someone else, like Yoshi, starts a bin thread and isn't as 'tactful' as I may be with words I either PM him or just add my 2 cents of encouragment...in saying that, I WAS THERE at Puke yesterday and spoke with all the KBers and saw they were having a great time of it, when I came home last evening and read Yoshi's thread about Daryl's bin I was gutted but truely appreciated the post and took the sense of how it was intended - genuine concern from someone who was there first hand to tell the story!

[TonyB]

Cool then.

Before the option becomes available, I DONT want my Mum, Dad, partner (both brothers are also KBers) reading about me being flown to hospital by rescue chopper on this forum. Thanks for asking.

As you were.
Put me down for this option too. Those that know me well and are likely to be with me can see my contact details, and those of MrsB. I would hope that they could contact her should the need ever arise.

If I have a minor off I expect to be given the right of first post. I also expect to be given some shit after said post. After all, a crash without injury is, in a bizarre way, a cause for celebration and relief.

If I am injured, badly injured or dead, MrsB and only MrsB will either write the post herself, or give permission for it to be written by a good freinD.

[Cibby]

WT - i think that making an issue out of this is shit for starters..

Yoshi was the first guy on the scene to daryl.. He has done nothing but care about all of us, organize rides.. make sure we ride carefully..

I'm sure that yoshi only posted about daryl because there were a bunch of Kb'ers out there, who saw what happened and who were bloody concerned that one of our own had gone down.. I for one had a small mental break down... had i not been there i would have wanted to know what happened to him... Dary lknows that there is a thread about him, and as far as im aware he has apprecaited the comments people have said, but i'll let him answer that for himself when he returns to us...

This whole gentlemanly/women thing you talk about, whist i agree and understand the principal, i think that Kb is changing slightly from a bikers club to a group of people who actually care about each other's wellbeing and ofcourse riding..

[Kickaha]

If I have a minor off I expect to be given the right of first post. I also expect to be given some shit after said post. .

The shit will start well before then it just won't be posted on here :bleh:

[TonyB]

This whole gentlemanly/women thing you talk about, whist i agree and understand the principal, i think that Kb is changing slightly from a bikers club to a group of people who actually care about each other's wellbeing and ofcourse riding..
But you can contact eachother to relay the news without starting a thread.


The shit will start well before then it just won't be posted on here Also expected... just don't expect me to be in a good mood at the time.

[Rhino]

WT - i think that making an issue out of this is shit for starters..

Yoshi was the first guy on the scene to daryl.. He has done nothing but care about all of us, organize rides.. make sure we ride carefully..

I'm sure that yoshi only posted about daryl because there were a bunch of Kb'ers out there, who saw what happened and who were bloody concerned that one of our own had gone down.

Well said Cibby :niceone: The guy was only trying to let other KBers know that desite the bin, DSS3 was ok (battered and bruised, but still with us.)

[White trash]

WT - i think that making an issue out of this is shit for starters..

CC, I'm trying to clarify what we do. How is that shit? You're misjudging my intentions, as I misjudged Yoshis. It was one way, now it seems that the complete opposite is accepted as the norm. How the hell did that happen?


Yoshi was the first guy on the scene to daryl.. He has done nothing but care about all of us, organize rides.. make sure we ride carefully..


I don't doubt this staement in the slightest. There's NOTHING worse than watching a fellow rider have a big off right in front of you. It's the scariest shit that can possibly happen to another rider.


I'm sure that yoshi only posted about daryl because there were a bunch of Kb'ers out there, who saw what happened and who were bloody concerned that one of our own had gone down.. I for one had a small mental break down... had i not been there i would have wanted to know what happened to him... Dary lknows that there is a thread about him, and as far as im aware he has apprecaited the comments people have said, but i'll let him answer that for himself when he returns to us...

This whole gentlemanly/women thing you talk about, whist i agree and understand the principal, i think that Kb is changing slightly from a bikers club to a group of people who actually care about each other's wellbeing and ofcourse riding..


I'm not dissing any of the well wishers, I'm making an example of the first post of the thread, regardless of who made it. I honestly don't think you're seeing my point.

Both of my brothers and my parents are also memebrs of this website. As my olds live in the UK, it can sometimes take a while to get hold of them. Now lets say, Dad's online in the middle of the night, sipping on whatever piss poor excuse for beer they drink over there, and reads that his eldest son has been rushed to hospital after a crash on a KB ride. How does he feel and what does he say to my mum? "Oh, Jimmy's been taken to hospital in an ambo after crashing his bike." "Read it on a website somewhere."?

Nice? I think not.

[White trash]

But you can contact eachother to relay the news without starting a thread.

100% my way of thinking. Might not be right, might not be wrong but that's the way I feel about it.

[mikey]

No one on here except Mikey and WINJA wanna cause trouble, I know that, I just can't understand why people get their backs up so bad about being told to settle down and be quiet.

what? me an winja the most peaceful people on the site, its the rest of you cunts that wanna casue trouble, BASTARDS!

[BLACKYOSHI1000]

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[mikey]

but running off with someone elses story an spilling it.............

be like following trash down the motorway, seeing him bin a wheelie an then running off home to the computer an tellign everyone about it.... a bit ghey, go get your own shit to spout off about eh!

[Scorpygirl]

THE FACT YOUR ALL TALKIN ABOUT NEAREST OF KIN BEING THE FIRST TO HEAR LMFAO
IF YOUD BIN FOR A RIDE WITH ME :niceone:
I WOULD HAVE MADE YOU FILL OUT YOUR DETAILS AND NEAREST OF KIN IN MY LITTLE NOTE BOOK
AS THE RIDER`S FAMILY SHOULD BE THE FIRST TO KNOW :2thumbsup
BUT IF SEVERAL HOURS LATER AND ALSWELL AND YOU HAVE (AS I DID )FIRST HAND INFO FROM SOME ONE AT BEDSIDE I DO NOT SEE THE PROBLEM
AND NO ONE AT THE MOMENT OF SEEIN THIS CRASH WAS MORE CONCERNED FOR THE RIDER THAN ME :shit:
AS ANYONE IN THE SAME SITUATION KNOW`S I THOUGHT THE WORST FOR HIM
THERE WAS NO GLOATING OR ANYTHING ELSE MENT IN MY THREAD AS FOR EGO WELL THATS JUST BULLSHIT
KNOW ME BEFORE YOU JUDGE ME


Having met you mate, I know you really look after everyone on your rides!!!

I can't say much more cause it's making me sad that people get on the band wagon and make everyone miserable, when all we want to do is ride and have a good time!!!

[Rhino]

but running off with someone elses story an spilling it.............

be like following trash down the motorway, seeing him bin a wheelie an then running off home to the computer an tellign everyone about it.... a bit ghey, go get your own shit to spout off about eh!
Re-read Yoshi's post. He only posted on KB after getting confirmation the DSS3 was ok. :calm:

[justsomeguy]

but running off with someone elses story an spilling it.............

be like following trash down the motorway, seeing him bin a wheelie an then running off home to the computer an tellign everyone about it.... a bit ghey, go get your own shit to spout off about eh!

Shut up young pimple face. This is not the time.

Yoshi does have a note book which he asks people to fill out before rides. He's very mature and takes care of everyone on his rides - EVEN THOUGH HE DOESN'T HAVE TO. In the past he has gone way out of his way to make sure KB'ers are safe.

Both he and WT have good intentions - we've just had a case of a little misunderstanding that has escalated under a current of testosterone swept along with a steady precipitation of chinese whispers.

[The_Dover]

What a load of old handbags!

A guy prangs his bike on a racetrack and someone else tells the world and everyones suddenly got their undies in a knot! What a crock of wank.

If I crash put it on the fuckin 6 o'clock news, it's gonna get out. If I were to die in said crash then I think the way anybody who cares finds out is gonna be the least of their worries. They're gonna be too busy grieving/rejoicing/carrying on regardless (delete as appropriate) to really stop and think about it and finding out sooner rather than later is best IMHO.

Fact is we live in a world of freedom of speech, don't try and censor anyone or chastise them because you don't agree, especially when it really doesn't affect you.

Can we stop taking this whole internet thing so seriously and just ride our bikes and flame each other?

Yoshi is a good cunt as I'm sure WT is, I'm yet to have the pleasure of meeting him or riding behind him.

You wanna give someone shit for inappropriate behaviour and posting then flame me or WINJA or someone who really doesn't give a fuck.

[James Deuce]

One simple rule to follow in life: If you can't express an opposing opinion without descending into obscenity or character assasination then just shut up.

This isn't some anonymous globe-spanning website. A lot of us have ridden with a lot of the members on this site, so trying to develop respectful personal relationships isn't quite the "wank" a couple of people seem to think it is.

We do NOT live in a world of free speech. The only place on the planet that can lay claim to that particular "right" is the US. Practically everywhere else on the planet has no problem plundering an Internet site to build a case against some poor bastard who's fallen off his bike, especially if pictures were taken, without his/her knowledge or consent.

This is a publicly avaialble forum. I've been on a ride where a guy got loaded into an ambulance in a lucid state, and left the hospital in a pine box. If this site had been around then, I am sure that there would have been posts saying he was OK around about the time he died.

WT is asking for nothing more than a little tiny, weeny bit of respect of personal privacy.

Have you "me generation" types not cottoned on to the fact that it isn't all about you yet?

[The_Dover]

Follow your own rules mate, don't impose them upon the rest of us because we do live in a free world and anything that happens in public is public domain.

We all live with the consequences of our actions and if a case is built against you through publicly available information then I'm afraid you've fucked yourself.

How can you ask for personal privacy regarding an event that happens in front of the world? It's not pics, video or eyewitness accounts of someone rooting in the privacy of their own home FFS. Maybe you should move to China?

[mstriumph]

WT - i think that making an issue out of this is shit for starters..

Yoshi was the first guy on the scene to daryl.. He has done nothing but care about all of us, organize rides.. make sure we ride carefully..

I'm sure that yoshi only posted about daryl because there were a bunch of Kb'ers out there, who saw what happened and who were bloody concerned that one of our own had gone down.. i think that Kb is changing slightly from a bikers club to a group of people who actually care about each other's wellbeing and ofcourse riding..

I'm with CibbyC on this one :headbang:
personally, i'd take issue with anyone who wanted to argue that his intentions were anything other than caring ........... give it up & go badmouth someone else please - from my observation blackyoshi is one of the good guys

[justsomeguy]

You wanna give someone shit for inappropriate behaviour and posting then flame me or WINJA or someone who really doesn't give a fuck.

Dumb cunt.:devil2:

[The_Dover]

Watch out, the Worlds Most Creative Indian and his crazy eyed death stare are back in town!!

Where was your slow, sorry ass today? Or did you come on the ride with us but never actually catch up?

[justsomeguy]

Watch out, the Worlds Most Creative Indian and his crazy eyed death stare are back in town!!

Where was your slow, sorry ass today? Or did you come on the ride with us but never actually catch up?

Not being creative - you amnesic ass - just going on from the last thursday ride thread.

Was sanding my fairings, besides I ain't going on any rides till I fix the oil leak and get some decent tyres........

See you round you stupid scott....way past my snooze time....:spudwave:

[Firefight]

See you round you stupid scott...spudwave:

Ya dumb injin that's not how you spell Scot :argh:

spell it right !

F/F

[Random]

Logged into KB for the first time today, saw this post read it and thought someone has issues here and has not got the balls to say what they want and hid it in a poll with little school girl/boy options….

I did see the post about the crash at the Track (is that a Ride??) yesterday and the last post I saw was from Cibby saying things looked good for the dude that crashed…

I guessed the post had something to do with that hence my “what a wank” post for the above reasons

I now see there’s some shit going down I haven’t read much of it and still say the way you have approached this is a Wank…



yeah why worry and get all the story, just start calling everyone a wank, sounds like you might be the wank.

Ricky

[SixPackBack]

Where's the love people......:love:

[R6_kid]

if i see a crash i like to know what happened. Doesnt mean i want a fully detailed story or anything, but if its someone i know i would like to know they are ok (as in the case with darryl)

What i usually do if i am first to 'report' is say that a person had a bin, is ok/off to hospital/whatever and then let them/someone with them update us with the full details.

[Sniper]

Its up to the crasher to post what happened. Its not fair on them if someone else wants to post up and make fun of their mistake.....

[Zed]

...Its not fair on them if someone else wants to post up and make fun of their mistake.....Huh? Of course that's not fair, but name ONE instance on Kiwi Biker where someone has deliberately posted a thread to make fun of someone else's bin/mistake? It hasn't happened Sniper, so why say it and stir up more trouble?? <_<

[Sniper]

Huh? Of course that's not fair, but name ONE instance on Kiwi Biker where someone has deliberately posted a thread to make fun of someone else's bin/mistake? It hasn't happened Sniper, so why say it and stir up more trouble?? <_<

I wasn't saying it to cause trouble, but there have been instances of snarky comments with underlying tones flung about on occasion.
I never said that there was a thread posted Zed. I was implying that there are people who would say oh well, tough, thats your fault and I for one am not a person to condone that.

[Deano]

Follow your own rules mate, don't impose them upon the rest of us because we do live in a free world and anything that happens in public is public domain.


Pull your head in mate - some rules are actually there for a good reason.

Your not one of the "me generation" as mentioned before are you ?

Think about the scenario before you 'gossip', be it genuine concern for a downed rider or what.

WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO HEAR ABOUT A SERIOUS CRASH YOU ARE INVOLVED IN THROUGH THE FORUM ??

Do cops release personal details before informing the next of kin ? NO.

Personally, should anything ever happen to me I would hope that people that love me hear of anything direct from someone they know and with support.

[The_Dover]

Stop chucking labels around just cos people don't have the same opinion as you. I'm not a member of any generation I just believe too many people are getting the shits over fuck all.

I don't gossip and if someone is posting accurate details cos they were there then I have no problem with that. Like I said in my previous post, if I bin it then I think the last thing on my families and loved ones mind is gonna be how or where they heard it, their concerns will lie with my condition.

Cops may not release personal details but the press sure as fuck report on it.

I don't belive anyone reporting an accident on this site is there to gloat, gossip or be the bearer of bad news and it's actually quite funny looking at the number of people commenting on this thread that "thanked" Yoshi for his update. Get a grip people.

[Marmoot]

Ya dumb injin that's not how you spell Scot :argh:

spell it right !

F/F

Schutz?

Schutzstaffen = scottish employee? :mellow:

[Deano]

if someone is posting accurate details cos they were there then I have no problem with that.

And therein lies the problem - are the details always accurate ?


I think the last thing on my families and loved ones mind is gonna be how or where they heard it, their concerns will lie with my condition.


Having all the facts, and support when they hear the news in my opinion is very important.

[madboy]

Cops may not release personal details but the press sure as fuck report on it.The press may report the accident, but they don't report the personal details until the police have informed next of kin. That's the real crux of the matter.

Having ridden with WT, Deano, Jim2 et al I appreciate that their comments are out of concern for their loved ones. I don't think anybody cares that our bins get posted - it's just when, where and how! We want our loved ones to find out from someone knocking on their door, or at least a phone call. Not an internet forum.

RESPECT. That's all that is being asked.

Outside of this forum I know neither Yoshi or DSS3, nor Cibby or her pics, so I'm not getting into those debates.

[Biff]

My 2c.

Logging onto a PC, coming to this site, and talking about someone else, about their personal circumstances/accidents/tragedies etc, without their consent, is gossiping IMO. Unless you've been asked to do so by the injured biker themselves or their respecitve family.

I'd never want anyone reporting any bin that I (hope to never) have here without my prior approval. Members of my family also view this site. I'd want to make up my own decision whether or not they read about it here, and I'd appreciate it that should I die in a serious bike accident someday you'll all have the common courtesy to ask me first before telling everyone.

Respect?

But if we're talking about any specific action of a fellow KBer here, and their reporting of a fellow KBers bin, I don't know anything about it. Honest coughicer.

[Vagabond]

I have observed on KB during my time here that there is a major difference of opinion between those who were actually present at the scene of the mishap and those who were not! I can recall several bin threads on here where scraps occured between members because one person is describing the facts while the other is hypothesising about what may or may not have happened!

During a number of the KB rides I have been on where there has been a bin and it has been reported on the site soon after, the ones who were on the ride generally have more knowledge and sympathy about what happened and therefore are more understanding, but those who were not there somehow make it their business to think that they have the right to lay blame or make critical comments about ANYTHING, which usually just causes a stir (like in Yoshi's thread about Dss3), when they should just shut their mouths and only post encouraging words on the public forum and send a private message otherwise!

Personally, if I was going to start a thread about someone's crash I would get consent from the rider if possible, but sometimes circumstances don't allow it. So I'd probably use a certain tone of language that makes people understand that the main reason I am posting about it is for genuine reasons of concern to all involved. I can only speak for myself though, and if someone else, like Yoshi, starts a bin thread and isn't as 'tactful' as I may be with words I either PM him or just add my 2 cents of encouragment...in saying that, I WAS THERE at Puke yesterday and spoke with all the KBers and saw they were having a great time of it, when I came home last evening and read Yoshi's thread about Daryl's bin I was gutted but truely appreciated the post and took the sense of how it was intended - genuine concern from someone who was there first hand to tell the story!

I for one have binned whilst on a KB run and was carted off by ambulance, luckily for me I only shattered a vertabra and was consious and coherant and also in contact with Death INC via texting so he had my consent to post seeing as he had organised the ride in the first place.

As far as I can remember there were only well wishes and concern expressed on the posts, in saying that had I been unconscious and was in a grave condition then I'd expect family to be notified first, in saying that I also recall my family being notified whilst waiting for the ambo to arrive.

With KB having grown so fast I also see a lot of SHITE being posted all the time and only post when I get a 'sudden urge!'
:doctor:

[Drunken Monkey]

I wasn't saying it to cause trouble, but there have been instances of snarky comments with underlying tones flung about on occasion.


I'd have to agree with Sniper on that one, Zed. I was involved in one specific incidence where a rider binned on a ride. It was quite minor, but did require the bike to be left behind and the rider taken home by other means. The rest of the riders in that group made no comment about it what-so-ever = Jimmy's unwritten rule, so to speak. However, once the rider who binned let on they had, we (the other riders) were accused of a 'cover-up'.
There were all sorts of comments from people who weren't on the ride, throwing their two cents in, quite frankly, where it wasn't wanted, appreciated or required. Whilst they were not taking the piss or gloating, there were several 'snarky' comments, mostly from people who were not involved in the ride.

[jrandom]

see a lot of SHITE being posted all the time and only post when I get a 'sudden urge!'

me, I like to wait until its good and ready, then post while reading a newspaper.

[WINJA]

what? me an winja the most peaceful people on the site, its the rest of you cunts that wanna casue trouble, BASTARDS!
TIS TRUE , AND I JUST CALL IT LIKE I SEE IT

[dss3]

My vote would be to ask first or leave it to the family. If you are close to the person who had an incident you will be informed, usually though a network of close friends. If you need to read it off the internet are you really that close to the person? Do you need to know right then and there?

[justsomeguy]

My vote would be to ask first or leave it to the family. If you are close to the person who had an incident you will be informed, usually though a network of close friends. If you need to read it off the internet are you really that close to the person? Do you need to know right then and there?

Hey he's back (that was quick) - how's it mate. :cool:

Nice little shit storm been going on since you left:spudguita

[Phenoix]

When I binned, I was asked first if i wanted the pictures up.
If its on a ride, most people would like to know the "status" of the rider.
That a saw, there wern't any thread on why I came off (Tho I will freely say it was lack of experance and my own fault) but there was just follow up saying Im ok ect.
If the family ask the pics not to be post, observe that respect

[Teflon]

I agree with white trash.

If i crash, the last thing i would want is it broadcasted over the net, just isn't right.

[White trash]

Nice little shit storm been going on since you left:spudguita

In a teacup.

[mikey]

One simple rule to follow in life: If you can't express an opposing opinion without descending into obscenity or character assasination then just shut up.

This isn't some anonymous globe-spanning website. A lot of us have ridden with a lot of the members on this site, so trying to develop respectful personal relationships isn't quite the "wank" a couple of people seem to think it is.

We do NOT live in a world of free speech. The only place on the planet that can lay claim to that particular "right" is the US. Practically everywhere else on the planet has no problem plundering an Internet site to build a case against some poor bastard who's fallen off his bike, especially if pictures were taken, without his/her knowledge or consent.

This is a publicly avaialble forum. I've been on a ride where a guy got loaded into an ambulance in a lucid state, and left the hospital in a pine box. If this site had been around then, I am sure that there would have been posts saying he was OK around about the time he died.

WT is asking for nothing more than a little tiny, weeny bit of respect of personal privacy.

Have you "me generation" types not cottoned on to the fact that it isn't all about you yet?

right on there JIMtoodolesa,

kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect. its what makes it KB. home of knockbacks. an bull shitb talking

crash stories are fine for THE PERSON WHO CRASHED TO TELL, if you live. which of course i will caseu im peter pan an tinkers lookin out for me. but when somethign is serious........ as hard as it is, best not to start a speculating on the net when you dont no jack shit. burned it up myself doing that.

an mysterioYOSHIblack gay ole suzuki rider, you keep a note book of who goes on rides? well, i must say. jolly good of you chap. id hope i was slightly important enough to be remembered if i some how dissapperaed off the face of the earth or side of the takas. an people would come back looking. but maybe being old an to much drugs fucks your memory. each ot there own bong i guees.

o, sorry about the grammar an the spellign an the other improper use of the english diction but if i had time to worry about things like speeling an diction id be a terrorist.

[White trash]

right on there JIMtoodolesa,

kiwibiker is .....*incomprehensible shit*.......the spellign an the other improper use of the english diction but if i had time to worry about things like speeling an diction id be a terrorist.

Been a few nights now without sleep sonny?

And to think, I wanted to kick the shit out of you less than twelve months ago, what the hell was I thinking?

[Zed]

I'd have to agree with Sniper on that one, Zed. I was involved in one specific incidence where a rider binned on a ride. It was quite minor, but did require the bike to be left behind and the rider taken home by other means. The rest of the riders in that group made no comment about it what-so-ever = Jimmy's unwritten rule, so to speak. However, once the rider who binned let on they had, we (the other riders) were accused of a 'cover-up'.
There were all sorts of comments from people who weren't on the ride, throwing their two cents in, quite frankly, where it wasn't wanted, appreciated or required. Whilst they were not taking the piss or gloating, there were several 'snarky' comments, mostly from people who were not involved in the ride.Hmmm was that the ride I was on too DM? Hey Mr Post Van? If so, I'm sorry to hear about these coverup accusations that I wasn't privy to. I guess Mr Sniper is right to a point, but at the time of reading his post he tweaked a nerve in me...sorry Sniper.:spudwave: I momentarily forgot that people are sinners!

[mikey]

yeh it has been a few nights sleep. will hit the come down tomorro night. might good calss a stuff. happy to sell to the discerning

[jrandom]

kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect

mikey, I love you. that is the best quote ever.


if i had time to worry about things like speeling an diction id be a terrorist.

your mind is a very special place.


might good calss a stuff. happy to sell to the discerning

go to bed, dude.

[TonyB]

There is a very good reason why the police withhold the names of accident victims for a while. It's so the 'next of kin' can be notified. History has shown that finding out that your son or daughter/ sister or brother/ mother or father has died or been seriously injured from a news report on the radio/ TV is incredibly distressing and possibly even dangerous.

Yes the media DO report the names of the victims as soon as they find out. But they DON'T find out until the police have ensured that the victims next of kin have been notified IN PERSON by a police officer or a freind/ family member. This is so that there will be someone to give them a hug/ make them a cup of tea or whatever. It may not seem like a big deal, but it is.

Those of you that think its all good for other people to post something should you be dead or injured- you might just be missing the point. It REALLY isn't about you. It's about your family, your dear old mum, your wife- whomever. People need to have support when they hear terrible news.

Lets put it this way:

I'm out at a rally with a bunch of KB'ers. MrsB is at home alone with the kids. Because TonyB is nuts we've taken the longest possible route to get there :niceone:, I have an accident very late in the day. It's bad. Someone texts someone. Within minutes there's a thread on KB- "TonyB is down and it looks bad"* MrsB takes a quick break from trying to get the kids in bed and logs on to KB..... she see's the thread... and turns into a quivering mess with two kids to look after and no one to help. MrsB got a fright a few weeks ago. She genuinely thought something had happened to me. I saw first hand how upset she was...
NO FUCKING WAY DO I WANT THAT TO HAPPEN FOR REAL. Even if it was minor and I was actually fine, she WOULD think the worst- even if the thread said "TonyB had an off"

Please just stop arguing for a second and think about it. Maybe you don't realise just how much you are loved by your family and freinds. Nothing good can come from finding out about your demise from strangers on a forum.

The messages of support to freinds and family of KB'ers who didn't make it home from a ride have done uncalculable good for the riders and their families. All WT is asking is that you wait for a bit before spreading the love.

*Before anyone gets upset, I know for a fact that the Chch Kber's I hang out with would move heaven and earth to make sure this DIDN'T happen.

[Vagabond]

me, I like to wait until its good and ready, then post while reading a newspaper.
You ought to tear that newspaper into little squares, so that you can wipe that shit off your lips! :niceone:

[2_SL0]

FArrrrrrrrrrk, this is better than Shortland Street. My own 2 cents worth. If its a bin and the rider walks away, then he can post. If he doesnt want to, then respect his wishes and keep your trap shut.
If its serious it should be handled with care and coincideration for his family and friends. In reality nothing is gained by posting here, unless you wish to gloat over someone elses misfortune. Its nothing to do with you or I, its called respect for someones family and friends.

[SixPackBack]

My turn......you crash and burn, does it really matter how or when people find out? Find out they will, wrapping it in cotton wool makes little difference.....I know having recently experienced loss under tragic circumstances.

Unless we form a committee and have a ruling body of some description having arbitrary rules without a way of enforcing them is a waste of time. The real question is weither we want rules forced upon us:no:

*Signed*
nottakingsides

[loosebruce]

hope that people that love me hear of anything

err person Deano not people :mellow:

On a side note, my way of thinking is that the people that are important (not many, if any) to me will find out by me calling them or friends getting in touch, and for all the others that might give a toss about a wanker like me they'll find out in due time. Unless given premisson by the muppet who crashed, i dont think it's right to post it, like i said the people who need to know will find out.

[Deano]

The real question is weither we want rules forced upon us:no:



Hey why not take a poll on it ? :sherlock:

[Biff]

The real question is weither we want rules forced upon us:no:



Nope.
Agreements - yes.
And gentlymans ones at that IMO.

[SixPackBack]

Nope.
Agreements - yes.
And gentlymans ones at that IMO.

A gentlemans agreement will not work. Cant be shagged explaining why, but is very obvious.

[inlinefour]

What a Wank!!!!

Read the preformance that this WT wank put in another thread.

[White trash]

Read the preformance that this WT wank put in another thread.

Ummmm, I spout alot of wank in alot of threads. Which "preformance" in particular are you speaking of?

[2_SL0]

What is "preformance"?

[White trash]

"Preformance" is the tiny little bit of vocal capability a moron has available to them before the brain engages.

[Zed]

"Preformance" is the tiny little bit of vocal capability a moron has available to them before the brain engages....and said moron rides a gixxer too! :whistle:

[White trash]

...and said moron rides a gixxer too! :whistle:

Doubt it mate, never met a Gixxer rider I didn't like. More likely this preformance type rides an SJ50 and has to be in bed before 7pm on school nights.

[White trash]

Fuck you come up with some good shit sometimes for a hillbilly.

Well years of sipping apple juice through straws and pickin' banjos on front porche leaves a little time for the mind to wander, you know how it is.