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honda_vt250f
16th February 2004, 20:02
:ride: Can ya lose ya license for 6 months for doing 51 ks or more over da limit if caught by a SPEED CAMERA(not officer)???e.g 151 in 100 area.wtf would i do if someone got my bike or car. :disapint:

honda_vt250f_guy@hotmail.com

cheers. :2thumbsup

dangerous
16th February 2004, 20:26
:ride: Can ya lose ya license for 6 months for doing 51 ks or more over da limit if caught by a SPEED CAMERA(not officer)???e.g 151 in 100 area.wtf would i do if someone got my bike or car. :disapint:

honda_vt250f_guy@hotmail.com

cheers. :2thumbsup

151 past a camera .....yep your defenetly from Dunedin :msn-wink: Not sure about that one as far as loosing it. But my apprentice boy is from down there, hes pulled that stunt that many times that he dosent worry about a licence any more down there. Up here he has mummy drive him around :weep:

Two Smoker
16th February 2004, 20:48
Nah im pretty sure u wont lose ur licence:Punk: This is because how do they know that the owner was the one riding at the time of getting the foto taken???

Its the same with demerit points, u dont get them if u were caught by a speed camera but u do get them if u were pulled over:(

Best way to play it safe and not speed unless its on the track (fixed for ya wikd sorry mate)

wkid_one
16th February 2004, 20:50
Nah im pretty sure u wont lose ur licence:Punk: This is because how do they know that the owner was the one riding at the time of getting the foto taken???

Its the same with demerit points, u dont get them if u were caught by a speed camera but u do get them if u were pulled over:(

Neway if u were heading towards the speed camera its ok, coz there aint no number plate on the front:laugh:

I quite often do tht for a laugh go really fast past a speed camera hehehe, not tht im condoning tht sort of behaviour.......:whistle:
Real real smart ----- just the amunition the Police need to follow suit with OZ and petition for front mounted number plates for bikes....gr8 idea...go for it....dickhead

Two Smoker
16th February 2004, 21:06
Real real smart ----- just the amunition the Police need to follow suit with OZ and petition for front mounted number plates for bikes....gr8 idea...go for it....dickhead
far enuff....:o im not saying i do it all the time, or try to do it all the time, i havnt got a ticket yet on my bike and i aint planning on it. coz it only takes one to ruin it :(

Sorry guys:brick:

Jackrat
16th February 2004, 21:58
Hmmmmm,If it did happen I would just drive with my NSW licence an say things like(Beeeet E'm freeeem Seeeeednyyy offiiiiiicer) :whistle:

onearmedbandit
17th February 2004, 17:33
I know it used to be the case, not too sure on current laws, but anyway car drivers wouldn't get demerit pts from a speed camera, but bike riders would.

marty
17th February 2004, 18:37
I know it used to be the case, not too sure on current laws, but anyway car drivers wouldn't get demerit pts from a speed camera, but bike riders would.


yes you will be suspended once the paper work catches up with you - it's only for 28 days from the date of the suspension notice service though, and it isn't an instant fine, it's a court appearance. if you are caught riding/driving in that 28 days, you'll be charged with driving when suspended, have your bike/car impounded, and be disqualified for 6 months

Two Smoker
17th February 2004, 19:36
yes you will be suspended once the paper work catches up with you - it's only for 28 days from the date of the suspension notice service though, and it isn't an instant fine, it's a court appearance. if you are caught riding/driving in that 28 days, you'll be charged with driving when suspended, have your bike/car impounded, and be disqualified for 6 months
Found out today that you if you are caught doin high speeds above the limit (ie 51 above) and they get your number plate, you will get a $630 fine. BUT you could also get done for dangerous driving/riding, and we all know wat tht entails:disapint: . Best bet is too leave the excessive speed for the track days.

honda_vt250f
18th February 2004, 20:10
yes you will be suspended once the paper work catches up with you - it's only for 28 days from the date of the suspension notice service though, and it isn't an instant fine, it's a court appearance. if you are caught riding/driving in that 28 days, you'll be charged with driving when suspended, have your bike/car impounded, and be disqualified for 6 months


actually i found out today that if a speed camera catches you over 50 k over the limit its only a court appearance at the most resulting in a fine , since they cant prove it was you driving /riding,since speed cameras are not explained in the land transport act and for practical reasons they cant give a roadside license suspension of 28 days!.The 28 day suspension only applies if a driver is caught by a cop and then a court appearrance usually resulting in disqualification.i also think thats why they havnt done demerit points in cameras yet cos of identity problems,so they wouldnt have put disqualification in.

Hitcher
18th February 2004, 20:34
Buy a second helmet in a different colour, in case the cops come knocking.

Lou Girardin
22nd February 2004, 20:58
A dangerous driving charge requires more evidence than a camera can provide, speed alone is NOT enough.
Lou

Redstar
22nd February 2004, 21:05
Driving more than 50km/h over the limit now falls under the categories of careless, dangerous, or reckless driving, depending on the circumstances, and now results in a mandatory 28 day licence suspension.

Demerit points are given for all speeding infringements other than speed camera offences.

But they are thinking (taking submissions) on changing the speed Camara laws so they carry demerit points and the registered owner has to explain who was driving.

:ar15:

James Deuce
22nd February 2004, 21:59
But they are thinking (taking submissions) on changing the speed Camara laws so they carry demerit points and the registered owner has to explain who was driving.

:ar15:

Ummmmm - Not me, your honour?? :innocent:

Lou Girardin
23rd February 2004, 05:46
Driving more than 50km/h over the limit now falls under the categories of careless, dangerous, or reckless driving, depending on the circumstances, and now results in a mandatory 28 day licence suspension.
:ar15:

Careless and dangerous charges require more than just the element of excess speed to be proven. Reckless requires the element of 'mens rea' (guilty mind). You must intend to drive dangerously, as in fleeing the cops.
The 28 day suspension is a specific roadside penalty for more than 50km/h over the limit. It is possilble to be charged with careless, for example, and not get a 28 day susupension. You may get a disqualification upon conviction though.
Lou

SPman
23rd February 2004, 08:48
But they are thinking (taking submissions) on changing the speed Camara laws so they carry demerit points and the registered owner has to explain who was driving.
:ar15:
They have currently canned that idea ! :2thumbsup

Also the limit is now 40k over, not 50. Or is that from April1??

MikeL
23rd February 2004, 10:26
My understanding is that the revised regulation doesn't come into force until 1 April.
My riding is still based on that assumption. Could be awkward if I'm wrong...

honda_vt250f
23rd February 2004, 22:11
Driving more than 50km/h over the limit now falls under the categories of careless, dangerous, or reckless driving, depending on the circumstances, and now results in a mandatory 28 day licence suspension.

Demerit points are given for all speeding infringements other than speed camera offences.

But they are thinking (taking submissions) on changing the speed Camara laws so they carry demerit points and the registered owner has to explain who was driving.

:ar15:

the govt has already rejected demerits on speed cameras and hidden cams in that safety strategy 2010 already a :bash:

Da Bird
19th July 2005, 23:28
They have currently canned that idea ! :2thumbsup

Also the limit is now 40k over, not 50. Or is that from April1??

I know that this is an old thread but for those interested, 16 January 2006 is the big date when you will be able to have your licence suspended immediately for exceeding the speed limit by more than 40km/hr.

This is also the date for new drink drive laws as well - only have to blow 650mcgms before losing licence for 28 days (currently 800mcgms), 2nd offence in 4 years - licence suspended immediately, 3rd offence in 4 years - car impounded.

BC

Lou Girardin
20th July 2005, 11:23
I know that this is an old thread but for those interested, 16 January 2006 is the big date when you will be able to have your licence suspended immediately for exceeding the speed limit by more than 40km/hr.

This is also the date for new drink drive laws as well - only have to blow 650mcgms before losing licence for 28 days (currently 800mcgms), 2nd offence in 4 years - licence suspended immediately, 3rd offence in 4 years - car impounded.

BC

Soon to be followed by a 30k over walking speed, as in Victoria. Unless we get a Govt that reins in the Land Transport National Socialists.

Beemer
20th July 2005, 17:54
I know that the speed camera office keeps photos of riders doing stupid things in front of cameras (speeding isn't the only thing they do!) where they haven't got the numberplate, and cops are constantly on the lookout to match the gear of riders they see on the road to that in the photo. Not sure if they can do anything at that point, but once they recognise you, you can bet they'll be keeping an eye on you. It's a wonder they haven't started running them on that police show on tv - sort of like security camera footage!

tl_tub
21st July 2005, 07:50
... It's a wonder they haven't started running them on that police show on tv - sort of like security camera footage!

It would just turn into a competition then! :yes:

Lou Girardin
21st July 2005, 08:23
I know that the speed camera office keeps photos of riders doing stupid things in front of cameras (speeding isn't the only thing they do!) where they haven't got the numberplate, and cops are constantly on the lookout to match the gear of riders they see on the road to that in the photo. Not sure if they can do anything at that point, but once they recognise you, you can bet they'll be keeping an eye on you. It's a wonder they haven't started running them on that police show on tv - sort of like security camera footage!

I can hear it now, "We're looking for a rider wearing black gear, black helmet, riding a blue bike". That'll narrow the search down a bit.

Beemer
21st July 2005, 10:03
I can hear it now, "We're looking for a rider wearing black gear, black helmet, riding a blue bike". That'll narrow the search down a bit.

Yes, but for those who wear a particular colour jacket, a helmet with graphics and ride a distinctive bike, you are pretty easily recognisable once you do something to piss them off! And if all the speed camera shots are in one place, it's pretty easy for them to assume you live locally and keep an eye out for you. Them's crafty buggers!

onearmedbandit
21st July 2005, 10:12
Sucks to be me then eh? 'Looking for a one-armed rider with blue and white leathers and helmet on a blue and white GSXR...'

Pancakes
17th August 2005, 11:28
You really have one arm!? What one is missing and what have you found you need to do different now when your riding? Since it's your user name and all I'm assuming it's not a secret.

Pixie
19th August 2005, 10:42
Driving more than 50km/h over the limit now falls under the categories of careless, dangerous, or reckless driving, depending on the circumstances, and now results in a mandatory 28 day licence suspension.

Demerit points are given for all speeding infringements other than speed camera offences.

But they are thinking (taking submissions) on changing the speed Camara laws so they carry demerit points and the registered owner has to explain who was driving.

:ar15:
If this is the case then The Hagg's motorcade drivers MUST be convicted of dangerous driving as they admitted exceeding 100kph by morethan 51 kph

gamgee
19th August 2005, 11:59
heeey, another vt250f rider from dunners. yeah those things can go aye, does your little speed light come on once you hit 90? damn i've only been stupid enough to do about 125km/h on mine, but then i've only had it for about a month

froggyfrenchman
13th December 2005, 20:28
pretty sure if you are over 50 over the limit. you get summoned to coourt and they find out who had posession at the time.

spudchucka
14th December 2005, 07:52
+51 KPH is the current threshold for getting a court summons. The charge would simply be exceeding 50 or 100 kph, whichever was the appropriate speed limit. If a dangerous driving charge was to be laid it would depend on the circumstances and how much above the posted speed limit you are. You won't be charged with dangerous driving based only on a speed camera infringement, they are fines only.

As a side note, everyone needs to be aware that in January the +51 threshold for instant 28 day loss of licence becomes +41.

MrMelon
14th December 2005, 08:03
As a side note, everyone needs to be aware that in January the +51 threshold for instant 28 day loss of licence becomes +41.

Rude. Time to splash out on a radar detector.

MacD
14th December 2005, 08:21
As a side note, everyone needs to be aware that in January the +51 threshold for instant 28 day loss of licence becomes +41.

Remember to watch out for 30km/h zones, loss of licence at 71km/h. Not too hard to do if you're slowing down from 100km/h.

Grahameeboy
14th December 2005, 08:22
Does anyone know the range of a laser radar trap on a parked police car and would other vehicles between the police car and motorcylist make it difficult to assess speed.
Stuff I have read is that the range for a truck is 1000ms, car 800ms which suggests that 600ms for a motorbike.
Not sure whether to defend plus cop had lights flashing already when I came into view about 1000ms away which friends say is odd and may have been aimed at the 2 cars in front.....plus he was a shit bag too cause he asked me waht I did and I mentioned that I was not working as I was looking after my disabled Daughter and he told me I should not be speeding if I have a disabled Daughter...maybe true but not too tactful and I gave him my 2 pennies worth....not good either but a sensitive issue...

Swoop
14th December 2005, 15:46
yes you will be suspended once the paper work catches up with you - it's only for 28 days from the date of the suspension notice service though, and it isn't an instant fine, it's a court appearance. if you are caught riding/driving in that 28 days, you'll be charged with driving when suspended, have your bike/car impounded, and be disqualified for 6 months
May I ask about this "impounded" bit please?
Bykey Cop states in a later post that after the 3rd offence in 4 yrs the vehicle is impounded, but you are saying that this happens quite quickly.
Also, how does this affect another family member who can drive - and is able to use the vehicle to drive the disqualified person about? Can somebody clarify this please?

slopster
14th December 2005, 17:34
I'm quite sure that you go to court if you're caught more than 51 over on a speed camera. It is then your responsibility to prove that it wasn't you riding. I knew a guy who had that happen in a cage and he lost his licence. I'm not sure exactly what he got charged with.

Divot
15th December 2005, 10:11
Hmmmmm,If it did happen I would just drive with my NSW licence an say things like(Beeeet E'm freeeem Seeeeednyyy offiiiiiicer) :whistle:

Invalid once you have NZ licence

madboy
15th December 2005, 11:51
May I ask about this "impounded" bit please?
Bykey Cop states in a later post that after the 3rd offence in 4 yrs the vehicle is impounded, but you are saying that this happens quite quickly.
Also, how does this affect another family member who can drive - and is able to use the vehicle to drive the disqualified person about? Can somebody clarify this please?It's tough luck. Makes everyone pay for your mistake.

Test Pilot
15th December 2005, 11:56
dont know if you would, but i wouldnt put it past them to try. Hang on how they gana find you unless u got a plate on the front for some strange reason. I make it a personal goal to pass speed at speed that would set them off.

spudchucka
15th December 2005, 12:02
I make it a personal goal to pass speed at speed that would set them off.
You and others like you will be to blame for the introduction of front mounted number plates. All you are doing is giving them more reasons to impose more restrictions on motorcyclists. Grow up!

Devil
15th December 2005, 12:44
As a side note, everyone needs to be aware that in January the +51 threshold for instant 28 day loss of licence becomes +41.
This certainly bothers me. I for one want to spend the minimum possible time on the other side of the road while overtaking and 141km/h is so easy to get to :(

madboy
15th December 2005, 13:11
This certainly bothers me. I for one want to spend the minimum possible time on the other side of the road while overtaking and 141km/h is so easy to get to :(It's funny how 141km/h = instant loss of license, but 241km/h = a good story round the bbq. Laws effect the goody goods the most.

oldrider
15th December 2005, 13:14
141km/h is so easy to get to :(
Sure is thats one of my reasons for downsizing my bike!
Even so you still get there very quickly.
100kph beats the shit out of 1st class walking.:crybaby: Cheers John.

HenryDorsetCase
15th December 2005, 13:23
I know that this is an old thread but for those interested, 16 January 2006 is the big date when you will be able to have your licence suspended immediately for exceeding the speed limit by more than 40km/hr.



I have a problem with that.



This is also the date for new drink drive laws as well - only have to blow 650mcgms before losing licence for 28 days (currently 800mcgms), 2nd offence in 4 years - licence suspended immediately, 3rd offence in 4 years - car impounded.

BC

I dont have a problem with that.


why not organise a critical mass. 500 motorcyclists outside PMS central (the beehive) no number plates, going really fast.

HenryDorsetCase
15th December 2005, 13:25
I'm quite sure that you go to court if you're caught more than 51 over on a speed camera. It is then your responsibility to prove that it wasn't you riding. I knew a guy who had that happen in a cage and he lost his licence. I'm not sure exactly what he got charged with.

"having too much fun in a 100km/h zone" ?

What?
16th December 2005, 05:17
500 motorcyclists outside PMS central (the beehive) no number plates, going really fast.
You've never been there, have you? Jogging speed is considered pretty fast around there.

inlinefour
17th December 2005, 08:54
Did a powerstand through town on the RD and one of the public reported it. I played not contest to the charges and pleaded guilty as I did not have to be there and could go to work. I found out later that if I had denied the charge then there was a good chance that I could have got off. Wish I'd known that cause at that time $550 was alot of money for me.:argh: