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zadok
2nd November 2005, 11:22
Great animated engines for those of us with a less than mechanical mind.
http://www.keveney.com/otto.html
http://www.keveney.com/twostroke.html
http://www.keveney.com/Wankel.html

sAsLEX
2nd November 2005, 12:01
Crap takes a bit to get your head round how the wankel engine actually fits all together!

gamgee
2nd November 2005, 12:11
cool never understood how a rotor worked until now, thanks

Smorg
2nd November 2005, 12:14
cool never understood how a rotor worked until now, thanks
:eyepoke: :eyepoke:

ktulu
2nd November 2005, 12:19
Thats awesome, really simple and easy to understand, something everyone should know really

Big Dave
2nd November 2005, 12:23
And now for something ruder....Wankel Rotary Engine!
Rate your embarrassment A). High B) Hello C) good evening.

Python, M.

Nice work on the francis barnett 4 stroke - dem camshafts is too low.

Warren
2nd November 2005, 12:55
I've seen these types of animated diagrams before and these particular ones are the best I have seen at explaining how the different types of engine work, especially with the individual steps below each diagram and some of the extra stuff like the cam shafts.

There are some other engine diagrams on that website as well if you visit:

http://www.keveney.com/Engines.html

inlinefour
2nd November 2005, 13:37
However no substitute for the real thing.

Colapop
2nd November 2005, 13:49
how does the shaft of the rotary turn? It looks like the piston and other bits move around the shaft and it goes nowhere.

Just dum I think....

zadok
2nd November 2005, 15:00
The rotary certainly is amazing. It's so small, powerful and seemingly efficient, yet very heavy on fuel but. Maybe someone can explain that.

Big Dave
2nd November 2005, 15:20
The rotary certainly is amazing. It's so small, powerful and seemingly efficient, yet very heavy on fuel but. Maybe someone can explain that.


It is actually a large combustion chamber - they were rated at 1300cc (mazda 13B) - but the volume is actually much higher depending on where it is in the 'stroke'. They can move a lot of fuel and they can rev to 30,000 if ungoverned.
Whilst it's also true that the rotary is more efficent in terms of changing the vectors of the mass of the pistons etc when compared to a reciprocating engine - they are really not that efficient at bang for buck.
They also have a design 'weakness' in the apex seal of the rotor and efficiency drops markedly if these are not in 100%.

ManDownUnder
2nd November 2005, 15:28
The rotary certainly is amazing. It's so small, powerful and seemingly efficient, yet very heavy on fuel but. Maybe someone can explain that.

There's a wee rule of thumb that comes in handy...

If you have lots of horses, you have to feed them.

Size/capacity (small) isn't so critical to the conversation... if it's got high power output, assume a high fuel input.

Ixion
2nd November 2005, 15:42
And now for something ruder....Wankel Rotary Engine!
Rate your embarrassment A). High B) Hello C) good evening.

Python, M.

Nice work on the francis barnett 4 stroke - dem camshafts is too low.



Hm - Fanny B only made one four stroke model, and that but for a few years, and it was actually a Blackburne engine.

Like James, Fanny B was the archetypical two smoker. (Most will have observed that the little Plodmocycle in the TV show Heartbeat is a Fanny B )

warewolf
2nd November 2005, 15:52
how does the shaft of the rotary turn? It looks like the piston and other bits move around the shaft and it goes nowhere.

Actually, them's pretty poor diagrams. For example, the points operation is arse-about; in reality the points are opened to cause the spark. See How Automobile Ignition Systems Work (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/ignition-system3.htm) .

Try: How Rotary Engines Work (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/rotary-engine.htm)

The rotor is geared to the crank 3:1, so when the tacho says 9,000rpm the rotor is only doing 3,000. Compared to a conventional reciprocating piston engine, the rotor mass is thrashing around a helluva lot less.

Rotaries also dump a lot of heat into the exhaust. (The Suzuki RE5 has what could be described as air-cooled exhausts: there is a second skin around the exhausts which is open at the front to direct cooling air around the exhaust pipe as it runs down the length of the bike.) This heat is evidence of wasted combustion energy.

Driven sensibly, rotaries can return good fuel economy and power. But like bikes, who wants to???

Somewhere on another (packed up) computer I've got a bookmark for a really good rotary animation... however , googled this page: Rotary Engine Illustrated (http://www.rotaryengineillustrated.com/animations.php)

Hope this helps!

(Hey! I used to work with a rotor-head; what can I say?)

Motu
2nd November 2005, 16:16
I was working on rotaries before they were considered way cool - I thought they were way dumb,but was quite impressed when I drove one that could wheelspin into 3rd,cars didn't do that back then.We had a guy who did the motors,he'd stand at his bench surounded by weird bits,and laugh at us guys using ring compressors and knocking pistons into bores...he didn't even get his hands dirty.

We need the animation of the TS3 and Deltic too,if you can't figure out a rotary the deltic goes into the too hard basket.And how about the Puch split single?

warewolf
2nd November 2005, 16:53
We need the animation of the TS3 and Deltic too
Sorry, can't find anything usefu!

Coyote
2nd November 2005, 17:09
That Gnome Engine is rather interesting :crazy:

The Lockwood Pulsejet must be the simplist engine ever. It has no moving parts!
http://www.home.no/andreas.sunnhordvik/English/mechanical/valveless_e.htm

James Deuce
2nd November 2005, 17:13
That Gnome Engine is rather interesting :crazy:



They forget to mention one thing about the Gnome Rhone and its total loss lubrication system. They used castor oil for a lubricant, and it's also a laxative. Most of the skinny pale little French, British, German, and Austro Hungarian (yes, BOTH sides used this "rotary" engine) was that they all looked consumptive because they had the shits. All the time.

Those weren't Jodhpurs they were wearing, and they didn't wear parachutes for "manly" reasons, it was the shower of shit you got when the chute opened. (joke)

Big Dave
2nd November 2005, 17:26
And how about the Puch split single?

Or a Sarich orbital?

Big Dave
2nd November 2005, 17:28
Sorry, can't find anything usefu!


Because I've still got half your library?

2much
2nd November 2005, 17:30
Try this one...

if it doesn't work, open it with ie

James Deuce
2nd November 2005, 17:30
Or a Sarich orbital?

Now that was a nice piece of kit. Shame Bimota didn't go with that, as they toyed with the idea before they went with their own in-house V-Twin in the V-Due.

warewolf
2nd November 2005, 19:23
Because I've still got half your library?
Have you? Thieving convict Aussies... can't trust 'em.

And here was me thinking I've unpacked enough bloody boxes of books, motorsickling ones, too. I've rediscoved all sorts of stuff; one gem was a book, "Exploring Outback Australia". From the looks of it, the outback starts at about Wests clubhouse...

You'll be pleased to know Scary unpacked something the other day, said to me, "where will I put this?" The obvious reply was, "THAT is going straight to the pool room!" :niceone:

You'll just have to return them on that "running in" trip on the 12X.