KBers being assholes at trackdays?

[FzerozeroT]

I heard a rumor that at a trackday a while back the "KB crowd" were acting like such a bunch of twats on the track that one guy actually left and a few others now think that KB is a bunch of morons. Show a bit of fuckin courtesy ay!

[XTC]

Ahhh but they are being twats on the track so therefore must behave themselves on the road eh?

[SARGE]

I heard a rumor that at a trackday a while back the "KB crowd" were acting like such a bunch of twats on the track that one guy actually left and a few others now think that KB is a bunch of morons. Show a bit of fuckin courtesy ay!


define "being a twat"?

i have never been on a KB ride or track day so i dont know what goes on

[XTC]

..............................

[SpankMe]

Define a KB? Since this isn’t a club and is open to anyone on a bike I don't see how the actions of one group of bikers represents everyone on this site. It’s like saying they represent everyone on a bike.

[Kickaha]

I heard a rumor that at a trackday a while back the "KB crowd" were acting like such a bunch of twats on the track that one guy actually left and a few others now think that KB is a bunch of morons. Show a bit of fuckin courtesy ay!


rumours don't count for shit, what proof do you have?

[FzerozeroT]

My "rumours" come from one of the guys that was there and was told by the guy that was leaving that he wasn't going to stay on the track with those dangerous riders.

I have witnessed a wheelie going onto the track (in pit lane) and a stoppie on returning (in pit lane) and I told the rider that I thought it was unacceptable, he didn't take offence to it but I thought well what would track officials / other track users think of "that group" of riders, and KBers aren't shy about telling other people about KB (good old word of mouth)

The KBers tend to be noticed as a group and I've been told in another place "have you ever been for a ride with those kiwibiker guys, they're a bunch of nutters".

Remember this is from people who probably don't use a computer for browsing the net and have no other knowledge of KB other than the riders they meet on the side of the road.

[TonyB]

Define a KB? Since this isn’t a club and is open to anyone on a bike I don't see how the actions of one group of bikers represents everyone on this site. It’s like saying they represent everyone on a bike.
Unfortunately thats the way people think. A mate of mine hates bus drivers cause he was cut off by one once

[Badcat]

Unfortunately thats the way people think. A mate of mine hates bus drivers cause he was cut off by one once
yeah.
i'm scared of spiders, and tomatoes.

[XTC]

yeah.
i'm scared of spiders, and tomatoes.

Tomato's??? really?

[Badcat]

Tomato's??? really?

yes.
very traumatic.
i'll never ride with another tomato.
they take huge risks, wear no safety gear, and then brag about it on the internet. watch those little red bastards.

K

[cowpoos]

I have witnessed a wheelie going onto the track (in pit lane) and a stoppie on returning (in pit lane) and I told the rider that I thought it was unacceptable, he didn't take offence to it but I thought well what would track officials / other track users think

errr....yeah...was that my bad. :brick:

[FzerozeroT]

No need to name names, I was just making a point of my "proof of an incident".

[Karma]

yes.
very traumatic.
i'll never ride with another tomato.
they take huge risks, wear no safety gear, and then brag about it on the internet. watch those little red bastards.

K


But at least when they have a bin you can use them on your fish and chips. :niceone:

[Badcat]

But at least when they have a bin you can use them on your fish and chips. :niceone:

not if you're scared of them you insensitive son of a bitch.

[Shade]

Theyre thinking we're nutters because of a few wheelies and stoppies?

Meh

[cowpoos]

No need to name names, I was just making a point of my "proof of an incident".

I don't care...I was in the wrong...the end... :niceone:

[inlinefour]

Some KBers' attitudes are woefull. I'm not speaking of this incident at the track day, but more behaviours on this site. Also, when I go riding, at times by myself, I like to talk to other bikers when I get the chance, irrelevant if they are in a club, patched, etc. If they are going to talk then I don't care about background. Now I must admit that I have only heard good things about the "naki KBers" and how much of a hoon one in particular. However when I leave my province, at times I get asked, why are you with those clowns and get told of things that make me embarrassed to be associated with KB. Now I'd really like to think that this is the minority upsetting things for the majority, as it appears to be that way when looking at all the "personalities" here at this site... :whistle:

[Zed]

I heard a rumor that at a trackday a while back the "KB crowd" were acting like such a bunch of twats on the track that one guy actually left and a few others now think that KB is a bunch of morons. Show a bit of fuckin courtesy ay!I've done 5 track days and been on heaps of KB rides in the last 12 months and havn't witnessed what I'd term twatish/moronic behaviour, so as far as I'm concerned this individual and the others he/she's influenced have made an over-generalisation about KBers and it is, as you say, only a rumour, and a viscious one at that!

So FzerozeroT, next time you tell us to show a bit of blankety blank courtesy, think carefully about the validity of such stories! Btw, unless you were there and witnessed it first hand you can't use someone else's word as 'proof' because they would have interpreted the circumstances their way not yours.

[inlinefour]

I've done 5 track days and been on heaps of KB rides in the last 12 months and havn't witnessed what I'd term twatish/moronic behaviour, so as far as I'm concerned this individual and the others he/she's influenced have made an over-generalisation about KBers and it is, as you say, only a rumour, and a viscious one at that!

So FzerozeroT, next time you tell us to show a bit of blankety blank courtesy, think carefully about the validity of such stories! Btw, unless you were there and witnessed it first hand you can't use someone else's word as 'proof' because they would have interpreted the circumstances their way not yours.

I would not completely rubbish the notion, might have actually happened like he said, although I'd like to think not...

[Joni]

I think its always the case.... someone, somewhere sees something that they feel is not "appropriate" and suddenly anyone or everything attached to that circumstance is "dubious".

Besides as mentioned before this is not a club. KB is a group of people with something in common... we dont ride under a banner. Its a group of individuals riding together... the operative word being individual.

[T.I.E]

it does actually feel like we are riding under a banner. this group is large, and all over the place. the Kiwi Biker logo, is starting to feel like a banner. and with merchandise eg stickers and patches, feels like if it is not a club then it is really bloody close to it.
spank did ya ever think it would get this big?

[Lou Girardin]

One mans hooning is another mans superb skills. If it doesn't affect me, I don't particularly care.
What we don't need is the strict control you get with some bike clubs, ride in echelon, no passing etc etc etc.

[marty]

Some KBers' attitudes are woefull. I'm not speaking of this incident at the track day, but more behaviours on this site. Also, when I go riding, at times by myself, I like to talk to other bikers when I get the chance, irrelevant if they are in a club, patched, etc. If they are going to talk then I don't care about background. Now I must admit that I have only heard good things about the "naki KBers" and how much of a hoon one in particular. However when I leave my province, at times I get asked, why are you with those clowns and get told of things that make me embarrassed to be associated with KB. Now I'd really like to think that this is the minority upsetting things for the majority, as it appears to be that way when looking at all the "personalities" here at this site... :whistle:

woeful according to who? you? FFS - it's not your problem - get over it.

each to their own. bikers, cagers, cops, robbers. there's always an idiot. they get their comeuppance in the end.

[marty]

I heard a rumor that at a trackday a while back the "KB crowd" were acting like such a bunch of twats on the track that one guy actually left and a few others now think that KB is a bunch of morons. Show a bit of fuckin courtesy ay!

says the man with a smiley face burnout for his avatar

[Beemer]

If ANYONE is being an arsehole at a track day, surely it is up to the organisers to bring them into line and tell them their behaviour is not acceptable?

Without actually witnessing the incident, it's hard to say whether the actions were dangerous or careless. If the person who DID see it happen wasn't happy, then he/she should have raised their concerns with the organisers.

[Pixie]

One mans hooning is another mans superb skills. If it doesn't affect me, I don't particularly care.
What we don't need is the strict control you get with some bike clubs, ride in echelon, no passing etc etc etc.
Have an elected "Road Captain" etc.
I think I know who we are talking about :devil2:

[SPman]

You get "twattish" behaviour wherever you get a group of like minded deviants.....and KB is a focal point to bring together disparate riders to mix, associate,whatever..........
Having ridden with a variety of other "clubs" and groups, the behaviour on KB "events", is neither better nor worse, than most other groups. I've seen behaviour on track days far worse than anything Ive witnessed since KB has been around.
Yes, I have seen twatish behaviour on KB rides - and not normally involving stunting either - as a result of which, I'm choosing who I ride with, with a bit more care.....but Ullysses riders scare me more!
KB is just another "group" out there , that can now be identified and has a fairly large following, so of course there is going to be some shit slung - just like at all the other clubs and groups at various times in their existence. Its up to individual riders to be responsible or not, for their own actions and yes, if they are on KB and identified as such, if they "twatify" their behaviour, people will associate it with the site, because they dont know any better!
But its not a club - more an anarchic syndicalist commune - we're all individuals on here, free to come and go as desired, with a wide range of outlooks and experiences and if some good comes out of the intermingling of riders to improve perceptions, outlooks, experience, ...then whats a bit of shitslinging.

[Drunken Monkey]

Was it an actual track day, or was it a controlled testing or open day? People often call controlled testing days 'track days', but they are different, and are run with different rules.
IMHO riders should be quite able to practice wheelies and stoppies on a controlled testing day.
In the end, if the track marshal allows wheelie's/stoppies/etc... then it is acceptable behaviour, irrespective of any particular individual's opinion on the matter.
Personally the only people that annoy me on track days/open days are people who don't adhere to the basic principle of 'hold your line'. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather be buzzed by someone on one wheel down the back straight than have some twat think he's doing me a favour by changing his line mid corner to 'let me past'.

[sAsLEX]

In the end, if the track marshal allows wheelie's/stoppies/etc... then it is acceptable behaviour, irrespective of any particular individual's opinion on the matter.

might of been the fact it was done in the pits that upset some people, maybe he didnt know it was wrong, anyways he was told its not and accepted it as being that and has even admitted it here.

[onearmedbandit]

Ho hum, some things will never change. And that includes people talking about other people in general terms. Get over it.

[WINJA]

ME AND CRAZY STEVE ARE KBERS AND THERES NO WAY WE WOULD REPRESENT 99.9% OF KBERS , SOUNDS LIKE A GENERALIZATION OR SOME OTHER BIG WORD I DONT KNOW

[inlinefour]

ME AND CRAZY STEVE ARE KBERS AND THERES NO WAY WE WOULD REPRESENT 99.9% OF KBERS , SOUNDS LIKE A GENERALIZATION OR SOME OTHER BIG WORD I DONT KNOW

And I also agree with OAB's comment also. This term comes to mind: don't tar them all with the same brush. I'd suspect that there has been hooning etc in the past. Life someone's sig says-----> ever noticed who anyone slower than you is a moron and those going faster are idiots? Yea we know nothing about this situation, nor how many people are bothered by it (not many I suspect). But this appears to have started some disruption within the ranks, do we actually need to give this percieved problem attention, or learn and move on? :whistle:

[FROSTY]

I think the issue is being seen totally from the wrong angle.
Ill put money on this The occassion discussed was NOT a track day . It was an open test day.
On a propper track day if someone was acting like a fucktard they would pretty soon know that that was unacceptable.The insurance costs for a track day are bloody huge and the last thing a trackday organiser needs is a potential death caused by stupid riding.
Open test days are just that and it seems --"anything goes"
I must say it s the major reason I'm reluctant to attend open test days.

I 1000% agree that I or any other race rider have no more rights than mr (say) ZZR250 on his learners licence But it is really frustrating not being able to predict what a rider is going to do.
If people could just be predictable It would sure be good for my heart rate.

[Draco]

Sounds like a load of wank to me.Chucking the toys outta the cott and leaving because of one little wheelie and stoppie :baby: Some people need to get a life.Were the eccessive speeds upsetting him too??? :tugger:
Death.(on draco's pooter)

[Grumpy]

I heard a rumor that at a trackday a while back the "KB crowd" were acting like such a bunch of twats on the track that one guy actually left and a few others now think that KB is a bunch of morons. Show a bit of fuckin courtesy ay!

I did Frosty's KB'er only trackday at Taupo and have done a few mixed events. Was there a difference....YES. The KB'er event was superb. I can't say as much about the rest. At every other event there were times that I thought that I was going to get taken out by some fuckwit. But then it was a track day. I understood that I was taking that risk when I signed up.

[saul]

Never hurts to reflect, :niceone: growth comes from it

[Sparky Bills]

Its a race track!
Wheelies and other fun things like that happen at race tracks!
If they cant handle it, dont go.
simple.

Talk about cry babies :crybaby:








not that ive ever done a wheelie down pit lane......

[MotoEquip]

ooops- posted this under the wrong user name... hang on

[TonyB]

Well there will apparently be a KB flag for those attending the Magpie Madness Rally.... guess we'd better behave eh!

At one trackday a few years back I was pootling around in goup D- no passing on corners. Some fucktard thought it would be really good for his ego to go out and cut us up, passing inside and out on corners. He wore a black T-Shirt over his leathers, probably to disguise himself. If he'd been wearing a KB shirt, I guess some people would associate KB with that type of behaviour. It's human nature.

[Coyote]

It's the whole lowest common denominater argument again

I'd love to be considered dangerous for my wheelieing and stoppieing skills but the fact is I'm not, and just because I'm a kiwibiker doesn't mean I'm going to be. To say "I'm not riding with those kiwibikers, they're too dangerous" is ridiculous, they should find out who the riders they don't like are and either say too them that they're being a bit stupid for a track day or to avoid them on the track

[T.I.E]

he probably just had a heat of the moment comment. once he got to meet a few crusier members he will be all good.
but i know whats it's like. got to blame someone but if you don't know them blame whom or what they are about.
it is a shame. and alot of your comments are all justified, as they are all points of view.
later on when this guys gets to meet us then i'm sure he will change his point of view.
hell some of you guys are crazy bastards and others slow nana's. but thats what i like.

[justsomeguy]

Dunno why - but we are known as a bunch of hoons, intent on doing runners, super fast rides, etc....

Not my opinion - but words from a very well know mechanic, a motorcycle cop, bike shop people, etc....

These aren't rumours - I've heard it myself, while talking to them.

I guess it's cos we guys love speed - sports bikes always outnumber others on rides and some rides are fast - BUT NEVER UNSAFE.

I guess - too much gossip and hype going around.

What do I think about their attitude - know us before you judge us you idiots.

KB is a bloody great place and I love all of you - yes Mikey and WINJA - you too:love:

[FROSTY]

Its a race track!
Wheelies and other fun things like that happen at race tracks!
If they cant handle it, dont go.
simple.
Talk about cry babies :crybaby:
not that ive ever done a wheelie down pit lane......
Sorry dude I gotta disagree. Nothing wrong with wheelies or stoppies.
BUT--make sure there aint someone close behind ya when you do it.
Fuck wheelies are awsome but if they go wrong -and they do Ya don't wanna take another rider with ya.
Keep in mind there are some pretty huge speed differences out there on an open track session.
Also something I have noticed -probably again a matter of lack of education.
The pit lane 30km/h speed limit is ignored by a lot of guys.
So Yea if I was pitting say next to someone --they came screaming into the pits on one wheel then did a big stoppie--i'd be pissed--especially if my 20-25k bike was right in the line of fire if they fucked up and binned it.
-If they pulled the same stunt on the track or away from other bikes--Ill be the first to stand up and applaud them

[MSTRS]

Dunno why - but we are known as a bunch of hoons, intent on doing runners, super fast rides, etc....


Yep and I'm just waiting for that new law to come in before I start texting onehanded at 250kph on the back wheel down Kennedy Road....
Thing is, 99.9% of motorcyclists are pretty sensible even when exuberance gets away on us. It's the 0.1% that tar us all. And that 0.1% exists in every recreation/sport/whatever.

[onearmedbandit]

Dunno why - but we are known as a bunch of hoons, intent on doing runners, super fast rides, etc....

Not my opinion - but words from a very well know mechanic, a motorcycle cop, bike shop people, etc....

These aren't rumours - I've heard it myself, while talking to them

These people, by their own statements, don't have any idea what they are talking about. Period.

[Ixion]

What worries me, is what Mr Hitcher is going to say when he sees the title of this thread! It won't be pretty , folks.

[justsomeguy]

These people, by their own statements, don't have any idea what they are talking about. Period.

EXACTLY - cos they've never been out on a ride with us...

KBers are the best - always helpful.

Even Mikey and Winja - they really are soft toffees once you get to know them.

I haven't met a single bad KB - and I've met most of the active KB'ers from Auckland

[justsomeguy]

What worries me, is what Mr Hitcher is going to say when he sees the title of this thread! It won't be pretty , folks.

You will never improve will you......:niceone:

[Zed]

Not my opinion - but words from a very well know mechanic, a motorcycle cop, bike shop people, etc....

These aren't rumours - I've heard it myself, while talking to them.I hope you passionately defended *us* when you heard them making those false assertions JSG? :Pokey:

[SixPackBack]

EXACTLY - cos they've never been out on a ride with us...

KBers are the best - always helpful.

Even Mikey and Winja - they really are soft toffees once you get to know them.

I haven't met a single bad KB - and I've met most of the active KB'ers from Auckland

Hell your not looking to hard, one KBer i can think of is 'bad' enough to qualify as a group by himself.....he knows who he is!:mellow:

[White trash]

"Those KBers are fuckin nutters!"

I went for a ride once with Crashe and Keystone and Big Dave and a whole bunch of other KBers and they were riding really irresponsibly and tooting their horns and waving back at kids who'd waved at them and all sorts.

Morons, the lot of them.

I do wheelies a track days. I can't do a proper MR/Loosebruce style stoppy to save myself but the only "pits" I've ever done a wheelie in (other than a sterilizer at Ruapuna) is Manfield.

If that makes me a dangerous arsehole, bring it on. Sounds more like your mates got so embarassed by a ZXR400 on a highspeed track they'd start a rumour to save face.

Someone here has the signature line "Ever noticed how anyone slower than you is a moron and everyone faster is an idiot?" or words to that effect. True words unfortunately.

[Two Smoker]

I heard a rumor that at a trackday a while back the "KB crowd" were acting like such a bunch of twats on the track that one guy actually left and a few others now think that KB is a bunch of morons. Show a bit of fuckin courtesy ay!

IM dissappointed that you didnt stick up for KB... how the hell do you know that it was KBers??? How do they know??? I know for a fact that alot of the litre crew go to track days and do wheelies and stoppies... Also, doing a wheelie out of the pits entering the front straight is probably the safest place to do a wheelie...

I know i upset a few people at the last trackday i went to, due to passing them (at what i believe to be a safe spacing)... I apoligised and said i would give them more room...

What track day was it???

[FROSTY]

Ts--well you lunatic you--out there on the track -practicing for a race meeeting-WHAT WERE YA THINKING????????
Worse clearly you are a novice rider with NO clues as to passing distances. :bleh:

[FzerozeroT]

Sorry, it seems I didn't give full information.

I was told about the "twattish behaviour" by a friend of mine, he knows that KBers are a varied and great bunch, even commenting on two in particular, one on a little 150 in pinkish red leathers that was carving it up and one on an SV650 that he couldn't catch on his ZX6! This incident was at an open testing day not a trackday as pointed out, and although I can't be 100% accurate as I wasn't there it was said to have involved a rider who had recently got back into biking and bought a larger capacity sportsbike, and the KiwiBikers were identified by the label on thier T-shirts that said "KiwiBiker".

This is a separate incident to the wheelie-stoppie incident and sorry for any mixup there, that was a bit of a non-event but as there was only four of us at the track on bikes and at the other end of the pits was the Formula Challenge guys waiting for thier customers to arrive, I thought "hmm, what's it like when more KBers get together at Puke?" That is when the comment was made about the rider leaving the puke circuit.
So when the 'wheelie-er' came back and did a stoppie as well I made the comment "Careful dude, don't get us booted out of here" hiding behind a veiled threat of authority as I am really a big girls blouse.

I will continue to tell people what I think is inappropriate behaviour, I don't think that stunting in the pit lane is appropriate/safe for what is considered to be a "safe controlled environment", and I don't think that any behaviour that causes somebody to leave an open-day is appropriate (always an exception to the rule I will admit(maybe the guy was a cock? I don't know)).

I myself am not immune to the "hammer of inappropriate behaviour" as I was hit by it twice at the Taupo KB Trackday, once for placing myself in an inappropriate group and again for binning (big no-no that one).

As for my avatar, that was at the Waikato Rally 2 and as I didn't want anyone else to suffer any consequences of my actions I chose a small off-road to partake in that activity on my own, also ensuring that the tyre did not sit still long enough to tear up any seal, I am sorry for the air pollution from the smoke, but then I am an irresponsible bastard.

[sAsLEX]

I don't think that stunting in the pit lane is appropriate/safe

I am sure thats the only reason MR brings his push bike along!

[FzerozeroT]

But if he goes down in a screaming heap he's only going to hurt himself, unless he knocks over a gas can and a whole pit area goes up in flames! Think of the children!

[ducatilover]

Define a KB? Since this isn’t a club and is open to anyone on a bike I don't see how the actions of one group of bikers represents everyone on this site. It’s like saying they represent everyone on a bike.
lesson 1: dont apply logic.
lesson 2: dont apply logic ever.
lesson 3: refer above x2 :mellow:

these valuable lessons are learnt by having a power hungry dutch mother-fucker act normal

[aff-man]

Sorry usually don't get involved but i am moderatley pissed so gonna put my 2c worth in..

I have come to notice that "stunts" has become the next hot topic of conversation on this forum. Particularly when not to do them etc etc. And from what i gather...
1) people get pissed off when you do them on the road
2) people get pissed off when you do them on the track

So you can hate me you can love me but get over yourselves. If it is not endangering anyone then don't comment. Don't lump all KB's into one set cause they aint and if you are a true KB;er I would think that you would stick up for the site and point this out to anyone who speaks out against them in that manner.....

As for stunts well I have said my peace somewhere else on the forum. FzerozeroT I'm sure you're a nice guy and all but please if someone else gets f**ked off with stunting and they decide to walk away that's thier tough sh*t. If they think it's wrong complain, not that much would come of it on an open day, then that is there business.......

Feck it i'm off to bed got a lot of dangerous irresponsible behaviour to do tomorrow... :whocares: :whocares:

[FzerozeroT]

Sorry usually don't get involved but i am moderatley pissed so gonna put my 2c worth in..

Thats exactly why I started this thread, because someone felt threatened enough on an open-day to leave the track, I don't have a problem with the stunting in pit lane, but others may (looks like frosty does so you'd better give him a bailing instead) and if you are going to associate that with KiwiBiker or help get me booted off the track then I get pissed.


FzerozeroT I'm sure you're a nice guy

Nope, not really. I'm a lazy, skinny, wife-beater with mongrel dogs and a two-stroke, doesn't get any worse than that.

[White trash]

Sorry usually don't get involved but i am moderatley pissed so gonna put my 2c worth in..

I have come to notice that "stunts" has become the next hot topic of conversation on this forum. Particularly when not to do them etc etc. And from what i gather...
1) people get pissed off when you do them on the road
2) people get pissed off when you do them on the track

So you can hate me you can love me but get over yourselves. If it is not endangering anyone then don't comment. Don't lump all KB's into one set cause they aint and if you are a true KB;er I would think that you would stick up for the site and point this out to anyone who speaks out against them in that manner.....

As for stunts well I have said my peace somewhere else on the forum. FzerozeroT I'm sure you're a nice guy and all but please if someone else gets f**ked off with stunting and they decide to walk away that's thier tough sh*t. If they think it's wrong complain, not that much would come of it on an open day, then that is there business.......

Feck it i'm off to bed got a lot of dangerous irresponsible behaviour to do tomorrow... :whocares: :whocares:

Sorry, Aff-man, but wheelies and stoppies in the pit lane (down by the garages) at Puke is dangerous. There's a 30 kay speed limit there for a reason. So unless you're doing wheelies at less than 30 kays, I'd advise ya not to do them there.

[White trash]

Nope, not really. I'm a lazy, skinny, wife-beater with mongrel dogs and a two-stroke, doesn't get any worse than that.

Really? Me too. You shoould came over to my trailer one day and well watch Nascar and get liquered up.

[loosebruce]

My 2 cents:

I've been to the track a fair bit, and i've seen some scary shit at all of them, to be honest the puke days that are held reguarly really are testing days for racers and the likes, not reall the time or place for noobs to be out, sorry but thats the way it is, Jared Love turned up one year to run some tests on his blade and ended up leaving because the track was so crowded by people just out there having a go, again nothing wrong with it, but it's best left to motobike days when there are groups slow, medium, fast, race etc. 5 abreast into the hairpin at puke is a joke and dangerous, with all sorts of riders out there, insanity, like barreling down the back straight at 300kph on the K3, lining up the pass on someone doing 160kph flatout, they change direction to where you're intended to go and all of a sudden, someone doing 130 odd kph, is where you need to go, trust me a K3 is a handful to change direction quickly at that speed.
Really when you look at it, a noob sharing the track with someone of J. loves pace, i dont blame him for packing up. I am surprised that they havent turned around and said race bikes only on these days, i'm sure it's supposed to be, it is at manfeild the only reason i got out there is cause i said the my bike was destined to be a race bike, and i found myslef on the track with Shaun Harris, Sheriffs and co, little outta my depth, but i'm hardly wobbling around like it was my first time out on a track.

It's good seeing people want to get out on the track, it is a really top way to build confidence and riding skill, but you should leave it for track days aimed at this, like frosty's taupo day and the ones many clubs run at various tracks round the country.

As for stunting in the pit lane, not cool, as WT said, 30kph limit is there for a damn good reason, admitly i did a stoppie once, but it was a stop-ie not a rolling job, wheelies on the track, yea i do em, i try my hardest to make sure i wont get in anyones way first, and plus a K3 on the back wheel still hauls along fairly well.

[aff-man]

Sorry, Aff-man, but wheelies and stoppies in the pit lane (down by the garages) at Puke is dangerous. There's a 30 kay speed limit there for a reason. So unless you're doing wheelies at less than 30 kays, I'd advise ya not to do them there.

Ahhh sorry thought you meant going out (by the start line thingy). Yeh going fast past those garages could be lethal ....

I'll crawl back into my hole now.

[White trash]

I'll crawl back into my hole now.

Good. It's where you belong you ugly little bugger.

[Hoon]

Thats exactly why I started this thread, because someone felt threatened enough on an open-day to leave the track, I don't have a problem with the stunting in pit lane, but others may (looks like frosty does so you'd better give him a bailing instead) and if you are going to associate that with KiwiBiker or help get me booted off the track then I get pissed.

Yes you are right to bring this to everyones attention. We all need to understand that when we wear the KB logo or affiliate ourselves with KB in any way, we are representing every single KB member out there.

It's no defence to say nah you can't lump us all together or judge the whole based on the behaviour of a few or try distance yourself from the culprits in anyway, unfortunately thats not the way things work in the world we live in. If one cop screws up, all cops look bad. If an All Black on tour gets into a fight on the piss, they all pay the price. If a kiwi were to be convicted overseas of rape and murder, we'd all feel the shame.
It's pointless to try to explain this away amongst ourselves when it has no effect on how others see us. The only thing that can change peoples perception of KB is how we present ourselves in public and as responsible members we have to make an effort to avoid actions that may bring Kiwibiker into disrepute - the same responsibilities that come with representing any organisation really.

[Logic]

Bloody tomatoes.

[Phenoix]

My 2 cents is that each to there own.
Stoppies in the pit is way to dangoures.
But when you check round (For other poeple, esp cops :p ) and do it, its fine.
Being a realtive newbi, I've found KB to be a great bunch of people. tho deffinatly not a bunch of old crusier riders :dodge:
The rides vary and it makes life interesting. Always helpful tho

[FROSTY]

For the record--I have NO problem with wheelies and stoppies.
Its all about time and place.
As an aside issue-if we get enough bikes at the open track sessions.--Then we could hit gary up for a Fast and slow session for bikes--It might solve a lot of the issues we are raising here.

Oh hey ferrozzo- You weren't in trouble for crashing at Taupo mate
But -hey here we go -what woulda happened if that wheelie thing was uncontroled?--You'da been trying to get outa the way of 2 thundering bikes on one wheel

[Unit]

Besides as mentioned before this is not a club. KB is a group of people with something in common...
That all happen to know how to chat to each other on the net and orgainise getting together, multi-skilled! There will always be someone who's a dick, and someone who will complain :slap:

[SixPackBack]

My 2 cents:

I've been to the track a fair bit, and I've seen some scary shit at all of them, to be honest the puke days that are held regularly really are testing days for racers and the likes, not reall the time or place for noobs to be out, sorry but thats the way it is, Jared Love turned up one year to run some tests on his blade and ended up leaving because the track was so crowded by people just out there having a go, again nothing wrong with it, but it's best left to motobike days when there are groups slow, medium, fast, race etc. 5 abreast into the hairpin at puke is a joke and dangerous, with all sorts of riders out there, insanity, like barreling down the back straight at 300kph on the K3, lining up the pass on someone doing 160kph flatout, they change direction to where you're intended to go and all of a sudden, someone doing 130 odd kph, is where you need to go, trust me a K3 is a handful to change direction quickly at that speed.
Really when you look at it, a noob sharing the track with someone of J. loves pace, i dont blame him for packing up. I am surprised that they havent turned around and said race bikes only on these days, i'm sure it's supposed to be, it is at manfeild the only reason i got out there is cause i said the my bike was destined to be a race bike, and i found myslef on the track with Shaun Harris, Sheriffs and co, little outta my depth, but i'm hardly wobbling around like it was my first time out on a track.

It's good seeing people want to get out on the track, it is a really top way to build confidence and riding skill, but you should leave it for track days aimed at this, like frosty's taupo day and the ones many clubs run at various tracks round the country.

As for stunting in the pit lane, not cool, as WT said, 30kph limit is there for a damn good reason, admitly i did a stoppie once, but it was a stop-ie not a rolling job, wheelies on the track, yea i do em, i try my hardest to make sure i wont get in anyones way first, and plus a K3 on the back wheel still hauls along fairly well.


Rules concerning rider ability are not stipulated upon signing a release form and as we all pay the same money, ability should not come into it. Club runs are not run as often, nor are they convenient as 'Puke' and breaking the day into groups would see participants on both sides get less track time.

Fundamentally i agree with you LooseBruce, it must affect both safety and frustration from riders of all levels. Having a higher skill level does not grant a rider greater privilege

Having only completed one track day myself, i was appalled at the lack of safety and organization from 'Puke', they seemed happy to take your money and let you go without providing any real guidance. Given the level of speeds attained by many different types of vehicles, it is hard to believe OSH has not insisted on having an ambulance on stand by and full track marshaling as an absolute minimum.

Change is needed

[Kickaha]

it is hard to believe OSH has not insisted on having an ambulance on stand by and full track marshaling as an absolute minimum.

Change is needed

I recall when I raced Superkarts chatting on a American Forum they organised a track day and the hire cost was close to $8,000 as the track provided Paramedics and Flag Marshalls, so if the track is to provide those services then expect a big hike in the hire charge (porobably not as huge as the Merkins though)

In Chch you have to have a observer sign in with you so someone can be alerted if things go wrong, although normally there are always enough people around in case of mishaps

[kro]

I guess if KB did have an official riders club, then the actions of one or two over enthusiastic people could tarnish their reputation, and lets face it, reputation is gold if its a good one, and the opposite also applies.

Personally, stoppies in the pit lane is a bit on the :nono: side, as this pit area is a heavily populated one, and is probably not the best spot to be on one wheel.

On the other hand, what would this person who said he was leaving do, if there was no identifying affiliation to put aginst the wheelie/stoppie people?. He would just have to bite down hard and suffer. It would seem that he took exception to one or two semi-questionable antics, and wanted to vent, and KB took some of the brunt of that, but I don't think this should be viewed as a major infringement.

[cowpoos]

Nope, not really. I'm a lazy, skinny, wife-beater with mongrel dogs and a two-stroke, doesn't get any worse than that.

errrr...u could own a scooter!!!! :scooter: = :weird:

[cowpoos]

all righty then....okay....some peolpe arn't reading the whole thread before commenting and missing alot of the jist of this topic...

I WAS THE NAUGHTY BOY WHO DID THIS SUPOOSED MANIC WHEELIE AND TEN MILLION KM STOPPIE.....

and FzerozeroT said quietly...if you do stuff like that they may boot us out...
as in a warning that it could happen....even though there were 4 of us bikers...and 5 champ cars and a mustang turned up later....empty pits basically....I admit I was being silly...and stopped on mention...

and for the record...the stoppie...was tiny...from about 10kmph to a stop...not a really rolling stoppie...and the wheelie was at about 40kmph...and tiny...alittle 1st gear enthusiasium as I was past the last pit garage...THE END....non event....but still was irrisponsable...my bad

As for naughty KBr's at trackdays...yes you do tarnish the whole group...just like in any area of society...if people can be grouped or labeled...they are...
Alot of people on here slag of cage drives and ALL 4X4 drivers....the same thing applies when outsiders look at bikes....to 90% of people a few of one group means all...it causes un-true perception...and all most always incorret...but the fact is it happens...genraisation happens...and that can't be changed...

[FROSTY]

I recall when I raced Superkarts chatting on a American Forum they organised a track day and the hire cost was close to $8,000 as the track provided Paramedics and Flag Marshalls, so if the track is to provide those services then expect a big hike in the hire charge (porobably not as huge as the Merkins though)
Funny you should say that.......
When I organised the First KB track day i concidered Pukie as a venue.
I ruled it out because.
1)track hire was $3000 (Taupo is half that even now)
2) its a frigging dangerous track and I wouldnt have a track day without at a minimum bales on the inside and outside edges of "the hill" -an added cost
3)public indemnity insurance doubles.
4)its very difficult to see therefore control entrants.
5) you need more marshals.
6) its not a track I'd be happy introducing less experienced riders to.

other costs are fixed -An ambo is an ambo be it Taupo or pukie feeding 80 people is feeding 80 people.