Thinking of a KB track day at pukekohe.

[FROSTY]

Im kinda toying with the idea of a KB track day at pukie.
This is JUST to bounce ideas around
Cost would probably be around $90 each based on 60 riders.
I would only do it if 2 changes are made to the track on the day.
1) a cone chicane 2/3 down the back straight. -Making entry speeds to the hairpin slower
2) a cone chicane just before "the hill" -bringing speeds to the 60km/h mark
The reason is that if speeds at these two points on the track were reduced the efects of a crash would also be reduced.
The rest of the track has fairly good runoff except maybee for very deep into castrol --but I cant see any way to reduce speeds there
Feed back -either positive or negative would be greatly apreciated.

[curious george]

1:Not sure your chicane before the back straight needs to be there
2: Can we have an air fence please?

[enigma51]

Im in and will have about 4 more people that will be in

[FROSTY]

1:Not sure your chicane before the back straight needs to be there
2: Can we have an air fence please?
The chicane on the back straight is to slow the track down for newer riders -that one id probably have easily moved for the fast group.
The one before the hill--not negotiable --that corner is just too dangerous so the speed I feel needs to be got down so it isn;t an issue -Yea itll change the dynamics of the track but Probably for the better

[robnz]

count me in. Have no problems witha chicane before the hill. that bit of the track can be a real bastard and i'm, not that keen on getting intemate with the armco even with hay bales

[White trash]

Gay. *10 whatsits*

[Kickaha]

Gay. *10 whatsits*


So you're finally admitting it?

[boomer]

Im in and will have about 4 more people that will be in

Logan, you could prolly add another 5-6 onto that :scooter:

[Gazzar]

I would be in for that and maybe able to help with aplace for some KBs to stay
if needed.

[enigma51]

Logan, you could prolly add another 5-6 onto that :scooter:
Good to see you will be there at least then I have someone to lap :apumpin:

[DEATH_INC.]

Could prolly count Draco and Me in if the timings right (budget remember) :niceone:

[justsomeguy]

Will bring my ugly self down to get in everyones way.:devil2:

[FROSTY]

This is a feedback thing folks --Ideas please.
I know that trashy and loose bruce wont like the chicane idea --but any other suggestions?/

[Badcat]

as long as there are no tomatoes.
i'm scared of tomatoes.

and spiders.

[White trash]

as long as there are no tomatoes.
i'm scared of tomatoes.

and spiders.

Moths.

Fucken 'orrible things, can't stand 'em. All "fluttery" and shit.........yick!


And Frosty, how do you put a chicane in made of cones? You're going to lose a hell of alot of track width.

Anyone who doesn't wanna ride Puke fast, goes in the slow group. Though that's why we have different classes?

[Squiggles]

i'd be in, sounds like a better way for me to go on the track (first time) than just a testing day... :)

[stify]

1) a cone chicane 2/3 down the back straight. -Making entry speeds to the hairpin slower
2) a cone chicane just before "the hill" -bringing speeds to the 60km/h mark


maybe include braking zones marked with cones or the like, and poss have no passing included in those areas for the slower groups, (just a thought)

have seen cones put out as chicanes on the front and back straights for some rally sprints, with penltys given to those who hit the cones etc

i'd be keen to give it a go also

[White trash]

maybe include braking zones marked with cones or the like, and poss have no passing included in those areas for the slower groups, (just a thought)

have seen cones put out as chicanes on the front and back straights for some rally sprints, with penltys given to those who hit the cones etc

i'd be keen to give it a go also

Yeah, I'd be up for mowing down some cones.

[FROSTY]

ohh --I forgot the machine gun nests mid chicane for any skinny lil white boys on suzuki's that hit the cones

[FROSTY]

but seriously--the chicane would go in where theres a blip out the side of the back straight-yea you'd lose track width--cones because if someone sti=uffed up real bad theyll end up just plowing through cones

[motobob]

Frosty great idea. The back straight cones could be close to Castrol so that people still get a good run on the straight. Also they would be easier to negoiate with out having to scrub off too much speed. Is there anything else that could be used to mark the inside of the chicanes. Those cones will go flying.

[SlowHand]

I would come dependin on the date - what sort of discounts are offered to a moving chicane? Will you still do the slow, med, fast, insane groups?
And are you allowed to run it the opp way?

[FROSTY]

Frosty great idea. The back straight cones could be close to Castrol so that people still get a good run on the straight. Also they would be easier to negoiate with out having to scrub off too much speed. Is there anything else that could be used to mark the inside of the chicanes. Those cones will go flying.

Bob--The chicane idea is to slow em before they reach the hairpin.
The cone idea is so if they stuff up they can run straight ahead and do little damage -but beter ideas would be fantastic

[motobob]

Bob--The chicane idea is to slow em before they reach the hairpin.
The cone idea is so if they stuff up they can run straight ahead and do little damage -but beter ideas would be fantastic

So how are they gonna learn to brake hard on the street. The entry into the hairpin is the only place I know where you really learn to control how well a modern bike can slow down from speeds of between 300 and 200 Kmh. The side of a car isn't as forgiving as the gravel pit.

But I see your point. Thought you might have been trying to limit outright speeds.

Some tuition on how to get round the circuit wouldn't go amiss either. Both of us could benefit from that aye. :msn-wink:

[Hoon]

1) a cone chicane 2/3 down the back straight. -Making entry speeds to the hairpin slower
2) a cone chicane just before "the hill" -bringing speeds to the 60km/h mark.

I'm not sure why you'd want to slow people before the hairpin? If they are going too fast, there is plenty of run off so no danger there.

If you are concerned about people diving up the inside then a "no passing on the inside" rule would do it, otherwise use the cones to mark out a no passing braking zone, maybe even merge traffic into a 4m wide lane on the LH side of the track to get everyone into a single file for the hairpin.

As for the hill thats a tricky one. You need to be going pretty quick to come unstuck there so its usually racers, not road riders that find that out. You'd be messing up a nice technical section of the track slowing people there too (which Puke doesn't have a lot of!!) so I'd be more in favour of 3, maybe even 4 deep of bales.

[dss3]

so I'd be more in favour of 3, maybe even 4 deep of bales.

Hear hear, sounds good to me!

[FROSTY]

ok then--alternatives--bales--awrighty then --can I have a show of hands--guys able to supply --1 a truck to put em out -2)offers of payment for the bales--they only cost about $40 each and we need about 50 of em to cover the hill properly -
4) offers to fill the bales.
5) someone prepared to supply storage facilities for 50 bales.

[FROSTY]

yep--just for the outer --then need filling with washed empty milk bottles--plastic --then sewing up

[Karma]

I'd possably be interested.

Never been to a track day so not sure how it works, you run races or just solo runs? are there any other people on the track (non kb)? also is there a website or something where I can check the track out, similar to the hamptondowns site that shows an overview of the track?

Cheers,

[Squiggles]

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i'd be willing to put money in for bales, ill put some aside from next weeks pay ;)

[SlowHand]

will these be KB's Bales? I'll pay 40 for that

[motobob]

Frosty how big are the bales. Might be able to help with storage and a horse truck to transport them. I'm going thru seperation with the missus so no guanrantees. :bash: Must be my spellin.

[FROSTY]

Awrighty then--Heres the thing.
NO PROMISES
Rather than limit ourselves how about I talk to the AMCC race comittee
The plan is --We--KB supply and fill 40 bags as a one off
We then have 2 years use of the bales for any KB trackdays.
Might fly--might not

[enigma51]

Awrighty then--Heres the thing.
NO PROMISES
Rather than limit ourselves how about I talk to the AMCC race comittee
The plan is --We--KB supply and fill 40 bags as a one off
We then have 2 years use of the bales for any KB trackdays.
Might fly--might not
Sound like a plan frosty but lets not get tied in to puke we might need to move the bails to the new track :banana:

[FROSTY]

Nahh mate--new track will mean--no need for bales

[Hoon]

To supply 40 bale covers is like $1600??

Could we offer to fill 40 bales that AMCC buys with the understanding that we could borrow them (and theirs) a couple times a year for use at Puke?

Owning our own KB bales sounds like a waste of resources if we only need to use them a few times a year. Not only costs, but you also have ownership, management, storage and transport issues to consider as well. Better to help AMCC improve their stock which we can just borrow as we need.

Filling bales we could do - we have the numbers. Those more adventureous could do commando missions raiding recycle bins on collection morning. Us racers could use our vans to make fortnightly collections and deliver these to AMCC. We could even run a sticky thread with totals by individual members to give them the props they deserve. This sounds a lot more realistic than contributing $1600 which I have no doubt can be done but I feel this would be taking avantage of our more generous members which I wouldn't like to see since it benefits all.

[madboy]

I could be up for a trip up to Puke, time permitting of course. No guarantees on being able to assist with bailing (being in Wgtn and all) but I'd be up for helping in some other way, even if only financial.

Tony, I appreciate where you're coming from with a desire to provide the safest environment possible. But at the end of that day, we're (mostly) all adults. We take it to the track, we accept the risk. I'm not in favour of dumbing it down if that can be avoided. Fully in favour of additional bails in place - no problem with that at all, but I don't want to see the track itself played with just to protect those who don't protect themselves.

In saying that, when some dumb f*** (possibly me) offs it big time at a "Kiwibiker" track day, we're all gonna get tarred with that brush aren't we?!!