Bike Chase Alfriston/Brookby Area

[Blackadda]

Hope not a KB'r, but came across a Police chasing a bike at Alfriston School heading towards Brookby, Sth Side, Jafaville about 6pm this evening. 4 cop cars chasing 1 bike, then another 2 cars not long after they went past. Must've been a naughty boy to attract so much attention.

Look out for it on the news or papers in the morning no doubt.

[Da Bird]

Hope not a KB'r, but came across a Police chasing a bike at Alfriston School heading towards Brookby, Sth Side, Jafaville about 6pm this evening. 4 cop cars chasing 1 bike, then another 2 cars not long after they went past. Must've been a naughty boy to attract so much attention.

Look out for it on the news or papers in the morning no doubt.

I don't think it was a KB'er by the look of him...

He ended up heading to Whitford, turned into Sandstone and the dipshit then went straight ahead into Ormiston Road which is now closed because they are building a new subdivision and the road literally becomes mounds of dirt. Saw him getting dragged out towards the road in cuffs. I was a bit behind the chase but had a nice little blast in the countryside trying to catch up.

BC

[White trash]

What was he riding?

[Da Bird]

What was he riding?

Coudn't tell you to be honest - bike was dropped behind the dirt and couldn't see it from Chapel Rd but it was a Kawasaki something.

Only hit about 120km/hr top speed so either it was a smallish bike or he wasn't a very good rider!

[crashe]

BC, Good to see you were having fun thou, racing throu the countryside with all your lights flashing ..... :spudwave: :spudwave:

I do hope he/she wasn't a KBer.....

Hey BC, it wasnt you out DiaryFlat way the other day with another bikercop was it.. Cos I waved to them and one waved back. :spudwave:
They turned off at diary flat to Kaukapakapa.....

[Blackadda]

Older big single bug eye Kwaka, maroon colour. He wasn't going too fast when they past me. I think the bike was a little sluggish.

[Da Bird]

BC, Good to see you were having fun thou, racing throu the countryside with all your lights flashing ..... :spudwave: :spudwave:

I do hope he/she wasn't a KBer.....

Hey BC, it wasnt you out DiaryFlat way the other day with another bikercop was it.. Cos I waved to them and one waved back. :spudwave:
They turned off at diary flat to Kaukapakapa.....

Nah, not me... only work south/east Akl.

[boomer]

Nah, not me... only work south/east Akl.

What time and what roads outta interest? :whistle:

[Da Bird]

What time and what roads outta interest? :whistle:

haha, I work 24/7 - you just never know when I'm gonna pop up.

[boomer]

haha, I work 24/7 - you just never know when I'm gonna pop up.

I'll keep an eye out for ya :yeah: Hopefully 'twas you that me and a mate saw a couple of fridays ago on the m-way as we {cough} sat in traffic and waved to :spudwave: What a rye grin you, or your bretherin, had!

you can pm me with your where abouts or weekly rosta, it'll be mine and your little secret :blink:

[crashe]

BC - Was it likely to be a KB biker cop that I saw who waved to me...
Would be nice to know which area you guys are in...
I always wave to you lads on your bikes and all the ambo's as well. oh and the fire fighters too.....
:spudwave: :spudwave:

[Da Bird]

BC - Was it likely to be a KB biker cop that I saw who waved to me...
Would be nice to know which area you guys are in...
I always wave to you lads on your bikes and all the ambo's as well. oh and the fire fighters too.....
:spudwave: :spudwave:

Sorry, dont know of any other bike cops on this site, so couldn't tell you. :spudwave:

[crashe]

Sorry, dont know of any other bike cops on this site, so couldn't tell you. :spudwave:

Oh ok Thats ok....
It was just nice that one waved back was all... :spudwave:
Most don't....

[boomer]

It was just nice that one waved back was all... :spudwave:
Most don't....

Crashe, they probably don't wave back because they're too embaressed at being sprung, if Bikey Cops post is anything to go by...
you just never know when I'm gonna pop up.

[gamgee]

was the bike stolen or something? 120 is pretty slow for such a big pursuit, can you tell us or is it confidential, haha who saw top gear? is there anything you're not allowed to tell us?

[crashe]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Da Bird]

Who's the big Maori boy on a cop bike Sthn Mwy? Was on a new BMW, I attended an incident on EP Hwy Interchange the other day and he was there... looked like he was straight out of Once Were Warriors...(tatty beard/missing teeth) nice bloke tho. Had the old leathers with police badge instaed of the Spidi gear you mostly wear. Assume he is Ellerslie Base.

Dont really have much to do with the motorways guys but I think I have met the guy you are talking about. Don't ask me his name though... wouldn't have a clue.

[DMNTD]

...Only hit about 120km/hr top speed so either it was a smallish bike or he wasn't a very good rider!

Hahaha! :lol: :killingme :killingme
Sounds more like a follow than a chase :chase:
Would of been better off not being a knob and pulling over :done:

[Squiggles]

only 120? why bother trying to run....

[Biff]

I was a bit behind the chase but had a nice little blast in the countryside trying to catch up.

BC

I'm in the wrong job.......

[madboy]

I'm in the wrong job.......Yeah, imagine being in a job where you had to ride an overweight ill handling collosus, constanting being taunted by young men with bad attitudes on much lighter, much faster sportsbikes with no numberplates... I guess that could be your thing :chase:

As for this plonker being chased - why the hell do you get into a chase then do that sorta thing? 120k? Mate, he does a dis-service to all young men with bad attitudes! I always thought 220 was the entry point?! :devil2:

[Toast]

Yeah, imagine being in a job where you had to ride an overweight ill handling collosus, constanting being taunted by young men with bad attitudes on much lighter, much faster sportsbikes with no numberplates... I guess that could be your thing :chase:


They're still a 1200, I'm sure they can be hustled pretty well. Plus the coppers would be far better riders than the average I'm sure.

As for you and your fullas BC, any excuse to have a blast...how typical :)



As for this plonker being chased - why the hell do you get into a chase then do that sorta thing? 120k? Mate, he does a dis-service to all young men with bad attitudes! I always thought 220 was the entry point?! :devil2:

haha...yeah he can't have had much in the way of brains to go with his bad attitude...you gotta weight your chances, and clearly this prick (based on bike and skills) had no chance.

[Mattyc]

who was the BC out by the puke racetracy on sunday morn, was that you BC ?

[Firefight]

who was the BC out by the puke racetracy on sunday morn, was that you BC ?

more likely to be our local BC, lives very close to the track., not a bad bloke.


F/F

[tracyprier]

Yeah, imagine being in a job where you had to ride an overweight ill handling collosus, constanting being taunted by young men with bad attitudes on much lighter, much faster sportsbikes with no numberplates... I guess that could be your thing :chase:

As for this plonker being chased - why the hell do you get into a chase then do that sorta thing? 120k? Mate, he does a dis-service to all young men with bad attitudes! I always thought 220 was the entry point?! :devil2:
I ride it's earlier incarnation, the 1100RT-P (ex CHP bike) and you'd be surprised how well they go round corners :). No we aren't likely to see "the doctor" on one next season but then again they aren't as big a heffalump as say the LT or a wing.

I will admit that it's the heaviest bike I would ever want though. Awesome two-up long distance and they do get up and go :)

[Colapop]

who was the BC out by the puke racetracy on sunday morn, was that you BC ?

The mystery BC, the mstery man. What does he look like? Where does he go at night? Is he a man or a shadow waiting to pounce?
Jeez people he's a guy, who does a job (a f*cken tough one at that). No offence people but if you see a BC just wave and if he (do they have she ones?) waves back just wonder.....

You can understand if he may be a little sensitive about sharing info here (or anywhere for that matter)

[madboy]

Most BC's I've come across were nice guys. Turn a blind eye to me for splitting, etc, and most wave when I wave to them. I assume they're just like all bikers, some wave, some don't. Not out of malice, usually just because you're either not looking or not in a position to.

My favourite is the "queue" of bikes that form on the mway... you can usually guarantee that when you see a queue of bikes in traffic there will be a cop bike one car ahead of them. Classic :rofl:

[Da Bird]

who was the BC out by the puke racetracy on sunday morn, was that you BC ?

Nah not me, but I know who it is...

[Da Bird]

Yeah, imagine being in a job where you had to ride an overweight ill handling collosus, constanting being taunted by young men with bad attitudes on much lighter, much faster sportsbikes with no numberplates... I guess that could be your thing :chase:


Yip, I hate my job so much. :spudflip:

[Gremlin]

:rofl: I know that area very well, and to have only done 120 there really is a little sad if you are trying to run... There are the straights near Alfriston (near that horse place) and Sandstone road especially where it is very easy to got a lot faster... :no:

And the road at the end of Ormiston has been closed for quite a while now, actually, it was even closed a month later than stated as well. He might have screwed up the roundabout tho, it is deceptively tight to turn into Stancombe rd (the new area).

Poor poor BC, having to chase slow runners in the country... Just make sure you don't run into the back of them :niceone:

[SuperDave]

I was a bit behind the chase but had a nice little blast in the countryside trying to catch up.

BC

I'm probably gonna receive flak about what I'm going to say but it's nothing personal. This kinda comment makes me so pissed off about how ruthless cops are when it comes to members of the public speeding - be it just a short burst of speed to pass a smoking truck or whatever. Four cop cars were already chasing this guy who was not going over 120kph, now was it really necessary for you to have to speed to try and catch up? If speeding is as deady as the police would like us to believe then honestly, was it really necessary for you to do so being the 5th (or whatever position you were) persuier to speed on a public road?

It's all a matter of making more money for the government.

Again nothing personal to you BC, I assume you were requested to join in the persuit and I also take it you tried to catch up whilst observing whatever restrictions/guidlines cops have for chases. But honeslty, fuck the system.

[spudchucka]

It's all a matter of making more money for the government.

Pursuits are never really about speeding. Speed might be the catalyst that causes the cop to attempt to stop the vehicle in the first place but once they fail to stop it becomes a question of why.

Some run just to avoid a fine but if your vehicle won't do more than 120 kph whats the point? You then have to consider whether the driver or a passenger might be a wanted person or the vehicle involved is stolen, carrying stolen goods, precursor drugs etc etc etc.

Look at the clown that killed himself doing the runner in a Pajero today, what was he thinking? The cops knew the vehicle was stolen, he was never going to out run them and all he managed was to kill himself and take out a power pole.

Making money for the Govt never enters into it.

[madboy]

Some run just to avoid a fine You run because you don't want to face the consequences. The main reason I do is money. Cheaper to wind it on for a few minutes than stop, get a whopping fine for speeding/no reg, maybe instant loss of license, legal fees, court costs, time away from work to attend court/instruct lawyer, increased hassle and cost of insurance, not to mention sometimes reduced coverage in the form of higher excess etc etc...

I can understand why the guy in the Pajero ran. Not my cup of tea personally since I don't steal shit and don't drive stolen cars, but at the end of the day he's running for basically the same reason I am. He didn't want to face the consequences. It's all about the threshold for where YOU consider a runner is justified. For me, on the bike, I know the odds are stacked heavily in my favour, but in the family wagon it's the other way around, so I'd stop.

For this loser who killed himself, he was facing some fairly hefty consequences with a stolen car, implicated in a burg plus whatever else leads from it (maybe some drugs in the car or his house when they identify him, who knows??) so the slimest chance that he could get away, the most minute possibility, would be enough to justify it.

I'm just glad the f***er killed himself, saved us contributing members of society half the costs that SM outlined abouve.

[Lou Girardin]

But in the final analysis, is it worth it? Mr Pajero killed himself, but could as easily killed the driver of the Falcon he hit. The Eagle was tracking him, did he have to be pursued in that manner right across Auckland in heavy traffic just because the car is stolen?
After all, the cops aren't interested in car thefts when they're reported to them, so why is it so much more important when the thief is caught in the act?
Thrill of the chase?

[Indoo]

The Eagle was tracking him, did he have to be pursued in that manner right across Auckland in heavy traffic just because the car is stolen??

In what manner? From what the papers have said Police backed off from the chase but guy still kept driving like an absolute idiot thus creating the need to stop him by blocking him in or spiking him. And even with Eagle ahead you still actually need cops on the ground to arrest the guy when/if he stops or chase him on foot if he drives into a mall and does a bunk etc.

The alternative is to let him continue stealing cars and burgling houses secure in the knowledge that even if he is caught in the act he can drive like an idiot and the Police will let him go. Its a bit of a catch 22 situation , criminals nowadays are actually driving more dangerously because they believe that as soon as they do something dangerous Police will abandon the chase. By not chasing it only reinforces this message to crims and encourages them to drive like idiots.


After all, the cops aren't interested in car thefts when they're reported to them, so why is it so much more important when the thief is caught in the act?
Thrill of the chase?

What makes you say that? All stolen cars are repeatedly broadcasted across the radio with rego, description, time, date and location stolen and put on stolen vehicle lists for cops to watch for. Obviously its important when the thief is caught behind the wheel just as its important when a burgular is caught inside a house.

[Motu]

As someone who has had stuff stolen over the years - they pick this guy up and go to his home with a legal excuse and find the booty from half a doz robberies....or a P lab,whatever - I doubt if it was just a stolen car,there would be a story behind it.

[Lou Girardin]

What makes you say that? All stolen cars are repeatedly broadcasted across the radio with rego, description, time, date and location stolen and put on stolen vehicle lists for cops to watch for. Obviously its important when the thief is caught behind the wheel just as its important when a burgular is caught inside a house.

So why don't they respond when called and told that the offenders are breaking into the car?
Unfortunately indoo, you guys aren't doing too well at catching burglars or car thieves. Read the Herald series on Police responses that was run lately?
Person after person relating how the Police have just not responded to calls or even followed up crimes when the offenders have been identified and their details handed to them.
The constant refrain from the Police is "lack of resources". Then we, the public, see multiple Police vehicles at speed traps.

[Indoo]

Get yourself a scanner or something Lou and have a listen. Ive never seen an instance yet where Police haven't responded to someone breaking into cars, even when all the incident cars, deltas, traffic cars are already at jobs they will drag out a CIU/CIB car or get a car from another area to attend.

Your misguided if you think Police don't attend because they are busy catching speeders, traffic cars in Auckland at least seem to spend half their time going to domestics/burgs etc or attending crashes etc. They are used to back up incident cars and also attend all the priority one jobs where there are no available I-cars.

If you read the Herald articles, even the people who write in complaining admit that there are simply not enough Police to immediately follow up on the complaint. Its not some widespread conspiracy, its a simple fact, there are too few frontline staff and too few investigative staff. Pulling staff off traffic duty just makes the frontline even thinner and actually results in an increase of enquiry files, Police simply won't have enough staff to catch criminals in the act.

[Lou Girardin]

I know of at least one case where people called the Police when they saw scum breaking into their car. There was NO response.
I followed another scumbag who'd hit and ran, was disqualified and a known drug user, for 15 minutes into Auck city. I was talking to Comms the whole time and was told there were no cars available, so I gave up when he turned into Sky City.
2 minutes later while heading back over the bridge I saw 3 police cars (1 HP) on patrol.
No doubt you will have all the reasons in the world why they didn't help. But I don't care.
Neither does most of the public.

[Indoo]

I know of at least one case where people called the Police when they saw scum breaking into their car. There was NO response..

So thats what you base your opinion on that Police don't attend when people are breaking into cars?


2 minutes later while heading back over the bridge I saw 3 police cars (1 HP) on patrol.
No doubt you will have all the reasons in the world why they didn't help. But I don't care.
Neither does most of the public.

Not really much point in arguing, you will believe what you want to believe, but why do you think they didn't help Lou?

[Lou Girardin]

A definite "did not achieve" for that last post indoo.
There are far too many instances to list them all again just for this thread.
Try taking off the cop hat and objectively looking at all the complaints, problems, scandals that have occurred in the last 3 -4 years and then tell me that it doesn't look bad.

[spudchucka]

He just cost the Govt a shit load actually.
If he lived you are looking at $1M +++
i kid you not.
Exactly but it makes for better forum sport to take the simplistic view that anything the police do in relation to traffic enforcement is just about revenue collection for the Govt.

[spudchucka]

After all, the cops aren't interested in car thefts when they're reported to them,
If they weren't interested in taking reports of stolen vehicles, how would they ever arrive in the situation where they are pursuing one? Following up complaints requires evidence and strangely enough an offender driving a stolen vehicle and failing to stop for police is pretty relevant evidence.

[Indoo]

A definite "did not achieve" for that last post indoo.
There are far too many instances to list them all again just for this thread.
Try taking off the cop hat and objectively looking at all the complaints, problems, scandals that have occurred in the last 3 -4 years and then tell me that it doesn't look bad.

And what causes those instances Lou? Do you think Police are delibrately not responding just to piss the public off, it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Police association has been warning for years of chronic understaffing and yet nothing has been done about it.

Most frontline cops I know go from job to job without any respite, half the time they don't even get a chance for a meal break in a 9 or so hour long shift and wind up doing unpaid overtime at the end of it. They aren't sitting on there arses ignoring 111 calls.

The public voted labour back in so really what can they complain about?

[madboy]

Given the voting pattern in the last election I'm not entirely convinced we did vote Labour back in. But hey, coming from one who works for an organisation completely lacking in intergrity, I guess I can't complain that you may think that way.

I've listened to a scanner... frequently. I've heard many occasions where there are plenty of HP units around, but no one available to attend any general duties work. I guess AUcklanders are lucky that their revenue gatherers are available to do some non-income generating work. They don't appear to be available all that often in Wgtn.

I don't know you to judge you, Indoo. I don't give a rats arse about whether the police are under-resourced or whatnot - in fact I don't disagree that the general/investigative arm are. But while we're getting snapped for 61k in a 50 zone, and someone's getting their house/car done just up the road - how can that be a positive thing?

[Lou Girardin]

If they weren't interested in taking reports of stolen vehicles, how would they ever arrive in the situation where they are pursuing one? Following up complaints requires evidence and strangely enough an offender driving a stolen vehicle and failing to stop for police is pretty relevant evidence.

Mr Pajero's chase started as a speed check. Surprise surprise.

[Indoo]

Given the voting pattern in the last election I'm not entirely convinced we did vote Labour back in. But hey, coming from one who works for an organisation completely lacking in intergrity, I guess I can't complain that you may think that way.

Alot of criminals don't like the Police, I'm guessing you didn't enjoy the accomodiation provided or was it the food?


I've listened to a scanner... frequently. I've heard many occasions where there are plenty of HP units around, but no one available to attend any general duties work. .

Yeh right, given that they would likely be facing disciplinary action if they refused to attend a job I find that 'slightly' unlikely.


I don't know you to judge you, Indoo. I don't give a rats arse about whether the police are under-resourced or whatnot - in fact I don't disagree that the general/investigative arm are. But while we're getting snapped for 61k in a 50 zone, and someone's getting their house/car done just up the road - how can that be a positive thing?

Im not in entirely in favour of the current focus on speed either, but given that traffic units attend burgularys and unlawful takings and arrest many just by routine patrolling/pulling over cars how exactly is that relevant?

[Lou Girardin]

And what causes those instances Lou? Do you think Police are delibrately not responding just to piss the public off, it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Police association has been warning for years of chronic understaffing and yet nothing has been done about it.

Most frontline cops I know go from job to job without any respite, half the time they don't even get a chance for a meal break in a 9 or so hour long shift and wind up doing unpaid overtime at the end of it. They aren't sitting on there arses ignoring 111 calls.

The public voted labour back in so really what can they complain about?

Most of your staffing problems started with National. Remember John (1st at Aramoana) Banks and his 900 extra cops?
As I've said before, you guys have not put enough pressure on your bosses.

[spudchucka]

Mr Pajero's chase started as a speed check. Surprise surprise.
So what? Some cop at some stage has had to sit down and take an unlawful taking complaint and get the vehicles details entered into the system. How else would the cop attempting the initial traffic stop become aware that the vehicle was in fact stolen?

So to clarify your original nonsense remark that cops aren't interested in car theft complaints, I'm afraid you are just plain wrong.

[Lou Girardin]

Alot of criminals don't like the Police, I'm guessing you didn't enjoy the accomodiation provided or was it the food?



Yeh right, given that they would likely be facing disciplinary action if they refused to attend a job I find that 'slightly' unlikely.



Im not in entirely in favour of the current focus on speed either, but given that traffic units attend burgularys and unlawful takings and arrest many just by routine patrolling/pulling over cars how exactly is that relevant?

Do you know he has a record? Or is this lack of an argument?

Enquiries have shown HP to be 'unavailable' for calls while operating speed traps.

No one has said traffic duties should stop, just that priorities are wrong.

[Indoo]

Do you know he has a record? Or is this lack of an argument?.

Hes bragged about getting off disqualified driving charges before by lying in court so I would assume so and I would also assume it would have an impact on his views towards cops.


Enquiries have shown HP to be 'unavailable' for calls while operating speed traps.

Never heard of this, unless its some place out in the wops some place and if it did happen it would be because of the individual officer being a lazy git rather than a Police policy not to respond to calls.


No one has said traffic duties should stop, just that priorities are wrong.

If traffic staff are focusing on speed or red light runners it really has no impact whatsoever on their ability to respond to jobs.

[Lou Girardin]

Hes bragged about getting off disqualified driving charges before by lying in court so I would assume so and I would also assume it would have an impact on his views towards cops.

If traffic staff are focusing on speed or red light runners it really has no impact whatsoever on their ability to respond to jobs.

Assume makes an ass out of u and me.

Apparently it has.

[Indoo]

Assume makes an ass out of u and me.

Apparently it has.

Hows that, generally when your done for failing to stop/reckless driving/driving while disqualifed you do spend a wee bit of time in a nice comfy cell? If I'm wrong feel free to correct me though.

That experience might have something to do with Madboys obvious love for cops.

[Lou Girardin]

So how do you explain my dislike of Police policies etc.
I've never been arrested, had very few tickets, seldom even get stopped.
Was even a cop for a while.
Gee, could it be that I actually believe that todays Police force has got it wrong?

[madboy]

I can't say spending time in holding cells is a favourite pastime of mine, but that's not what has soured my opinion of the police. It wasn't the fines, disq or PD that really worried me either.

The several different occasions of perjury kinda got on my wick - both on the stand and in their summary of "facts". It wasn't helped by the cop that smashed my windscreen while I lay handcuffed on the ground beside the car one time. And then when the cops lied to the officer investigating for the PCA complaint - oh yeah, that was funny, especially when the photos proved they were lying. And apparently having handcuffs on so tight they cut off the circulation to my hands and left marks clearly visible a week later is standard police procedure.

I was quite lucky I guess. Unlike some of the guys I was on PD with, I never managed to get a proper bash from the cops. Those guys had some really funny stories to tell.

Yep, I guess it must be because I'm such a loser and worthless non-contributing member of society that I don't trust you guys. I cry myself to sleep every night over my job where I am allowed to operate with honesty and integrity, how I manage to do it day in, day out, I just don't know.

Your comment re: HP being available... I'm sure they are. But they seem to have awful difficult hearing the radio calls where I come from. Guess that will all be solved when the in-car communications are upgraded so jobs can be assigned to them directly.

[Indoo]

Was even a cop for a while.


Must resist....................

And Madboy not saying your worthless or whatever, just that people who fall on the wrong side of the law often have a slightly swayed opinion towards the Police.

[Lou Girardin]

[QUOTE=Lou Girardin]
Was even a cop for a while.
QUOTE]

Must resist....................



You never resisted before. Let it out, you'll feel better.

[madboy]

And Madboy not saying your worthless or whatever, just that people who fall on the wrong side of the law often have a slightly swayed opinion towards the Police.Point taken. Unfortunately you often need to fall onto the wrong side of the law to appreciate where the failings of the police are. I'm not saying you're all useless f***s, far from it. You've got a shit job, shit pay and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. But there's quite a few in the ranks who could not honestly claim the moral high ground. Those are the buggers who've clouded my opinion.