Indicating Rules - A Joke!

[Dafe]

Whats the point of the LTSA bringing in the new Indication laws a few months ago.

It seems, only 10 percent of drivers seem to know how to use them correctly anyway.
Just yesterday, I followed a car turning right through a roundabout. As we we were both exiting the roundabout, he's indicating right and I'm indicating left but we're both headed the same place.
The other thing is, It seems the only people using the rules correctly are the ones who previously indicated correctly anyway. So it's more rules for the few of us, whilst the drivers that don't give a toss anyway, still don't give a toss! I heard these rules were to be heavily policed, I haven't heard of a single case yet.
The LTSA's new laws have now created a fine mixture of indications at roundabouts. :not:
Also, why in the last three years, have drivers stopped indicating when changing lanes on motorways??? Is it cool to be rude? :argh:

[Stevo]

Do Wellington drivers indicate at all?? First I've heard. :killingme

[Dafe]

Some Wellington drivers do indicate! Of those, half indicate the wrong direction.
Perhaps those that can't get it right have decided to stop adding to the confusion and don't indicate at all.
Good point though.... Is this just a Wellington thing?

[Devil]

The rules regarding roundabout indication haven't changed at all. They're just enforcing them.

[parsley]

Good point though.... Is this just a Wellington thing?
Auckland drivers tend not to indicate. I've only seen a couple of instances where people were indicating incorrectly, thought.

Mind you, if more people used their indicators I'm sure more of them would be wrong!

[R6_kid]

as devil said, they werent bringing out new rules, they were simply clarifying the existing ones.

[SimJen]

Its all very well clarifying the rules but hardly anyone has taken any notice.
Roundabouts are designed to keep traffic flowing.....they don't in NZ.
Don't know how Kiwi drivers would cope in Europe with 5 lane+ roundabouts.
If they'd only realise that by indicating right when effectively going straight through a roundabout that they stop traffic coming the other way (as they think they are going around)......jeeez, the simple things seem the most difficult.

[Monsterbishi]

as devil said, they werent bringing out new rules, they were simply clarifying the existing ones.

I was quite disparaged at work back when they first announced this on the news, of all the people I sit with at smoko, not a single one could grasp the concept correctly, even with diagrams!

Admittedly, I don't signal when exiting a roundabout when on the bike purely for control reasons, I'd rather take a ticket, but when in the cage I do it.

[crashe]

Didn't you know that we are all supposed to be mind reader's ...
and know what the fuckers are thinking or where they are heading....

Yep over half have no idea about indicating...

[Ixion]

Auckland drivers tend not to indicate. I've only seen a couple of instances where people were indicating incorrectly, thought.

Mind you, if more people used their indicators I'm sure more of them would be wrong!

Dunno that I agree with that. I spend a lot of time in Auckland traffic. mainly on two wheels, though sometimes 4. Vast majority indicate - maybe a bit late, but they do it. Perhaps one, two a day don't that's a small percentage.

Only consistent place people don't is not indicating the left for the exit when going straight ahead at the little roundabouts. Which is because you don't have time, by the time you're past the left leg of the roundabout, and get your hand/thumb on the indicator, you're actually off the roundabout. Might get one blink, max.

[Devil]

Only consistent place people don't is not indicating the left for the exit when going straight ahead at the little roundabouts. Which is because you don't have time, by the time you're past the left leg of the roundabout, and get your hand/thumb on the indicator, you're actually off the roundabout. Might get one blink, max.
But one is better than none, and on some older bikes you need to consider the lag between hitting the indicator and the thing actually flashing. On the old bike I had to preempt it a little.

[SPman]

To indicate correctly, first, you have to have some idea or concept of how traffic actually flows and moves on the road and where you want to go - this is beyond the grasp of 85% of the people out there! As is the concept and practice of vehicle control!

[Mental Trousers]

Mind you, if more people used their indicators I'm sure more of them would be wrong!

:lol: :2thumbsup :rofl:

[SuperDave]

Theres something worse than those who don't indicate or indicate incorrectly. It is when drivers insist on turning right in the left lane of a two laned roundabout. I see this happen almost everytime on certain roundabouts despite the arrows clearly painted on the road.

Just so no one flames me about this, I'm reffering to the normal roundabout where left lane is left and straight and right lane is right and straight, not those 'special' few motorway onramp ones.

[heavenly.talker]

I'm reffering to the normal roundabout where left lane is left and straight and right lane is right and straight, not those 'special' few motorway onramp ones.


Are yes the special Greville Rd for instance.

Where some retards despite the road markings decide to go straight ahead on the right lane when the left lane has markings that they can turn right. Phark me this is scary on a bike and even worse in the car where it can't respond as quickly to the big brown puddle situations!!!

Lets face it with the given number of auto pilots and the numbers of don't cares out there we're lucky that we are still here typing!!!

[Magua]

as devil said, they werent bringing out new rules, they were simply clarifying the existing ones.

Well they did a terrible job, most idiots seem to indicate right when going straight through now.

[yungatart]

I followed a HP car through town the other day. He turned left, changed lanes, went straight through a roundabout, changed lanes again, changed lanes a third time and turned right at the traffic lights. Not once did he use an indicator!! If the HP can't do it, is it any wonder that mere mortals find it so difficult?

[Lou Girardin]

I followed a HP car through town the other day. He turned left, changed lanes, went straight through a roundabout, changed lanes again, changed lanes a third time and turned right at the traffic lights. Not once did he use an indicator!! If the HP can't do it, is it any wonder that mere mortals find it so difficult?

He enforces the law, doesn't have to obey it.

[parsley]

Roundabouts are designed to keep traffic flowing.....they don't in NZ. Don't know how Kiwi drivers would cope in Europe with 5 lane+ roundabouts.
Actually the picture you show is the magic roundabout in Swindon, and it's a complete fucking nightmare. People are always going the wrong way. The only reason there aren't more accidents there is that since nobody has a clue where they're supposed to go they drive really carefully and watch for other drivers. Shame it doesn't catch on...

[Devil]

Well they did a terrible job, most idiots seem to indicate right when going straight through now.
I thought the LTSA diagrams and instructions were totally un-ambiguous. It worries me that there are people out there driving that are either too ignorant to learn the rules, or too stupid to comprehend them.

[onearmedbandit]

All I can add on the subject is that 'magic roundabout' looks awesome for some late night knee down action.

[InDeSkyz]

After a crappy Monday.. all I can say is:

I just barge them off the road on my MASSIVE bike and then reverse too! (Coz all bikes have reverse fool!)
I will also just drive straight through the roundabout with no concern for anyone else, because hell! I own the roads! I own the universe! The world is about me damnit!

err...

[Ham]

Here's an idea.. wire up a hazard lights switch and ride round with them all flashing, that way where ever you go you are indicating :eyepoke:

[denill]

I thought the LTSA diagrams and instructions were totally un-ambiguous. It worries me that there are people out there driving that are either too ignorant to learn the rules, or too stupid to comprehend them.
Gotta agree there. I reckon 30 to 40% of drivers round here who are going straight ahead - indicate a right turn when they are entering the Roundabout???? They are too thick to realise that if they enter a Roundabout and have NEITHER indicator on - other road users will gauge that they are going straight ahead............. And as the LTSA diagrams and instructions say, indicate when exiting (if the roundabout dia allows). Not freaking rocket science.

So yeah, with some fuckwits comprehension of coping in traffic it is amazing that there are not more accidents.......

Motorcyclists by necessity are the (generally) more 'thinking' road users.

[Biff]

My pet hate - no or incorrect indicating. IMO it shows that the driver of the offending vehicle is inconsiderate, and doesn't give a witches tit about other road users. A week or so ago I approached a roundabout close to where I work, a cop was parked up behind a hedge. I was in a line of around three cars and I was the only bugger to indicate (chocolate fish for me please). Obviously the cop was far more concerned about catching speeders or eating donoughts to worry about attempting to enforce the hindercation rules.

[Mattyc]

DAHHHHHHHHH yes the stupid new indicating rules

One think i find that works better, is indicate to the left, then the right, then ;eft again, then right a few more times , and then proceeed thru the round about everyone will be so fucking confucioused that they will all just stop and wait to see what the hell you are doing.

Works in the cage, not game/stupid enough to try it on the zx9 tho

[Pathos]

Licences should have to be updated every 10 years and you should only have to pay if you fail, it would get a heap of people studying the road code and rethinking how they use the roads. Probably say a lot in traffic accident costs as well.

[ducatilover]

i'll go with the 10 year lisence.:spudguita :yes:

[boomer]

All I can add on the subject is that 'magic roundabout' looks awesome for some late night knee down action.

I used to love flying straight across the baby going home after a hard nights clubbing, all loved up :doobey:

Thankyou Swindon, and the brunelrooms :blip:

* edit;
I don't condone this behaviour, as i believe its now illegal to drive under the influence of narcotics
Back on track, I don't assume anyones going anywhere unless i see them, indicators or no indicators

[bane]

great thread!

five cross roads, Hamilton... what a f*cken debacle!

Bring back the traffic lights, NZer's are too stupid for roundabouts.

give me a :ar15:


red red wine..ine, makes me feel fine..ine
what you talking about Willis!

[Biff]

Thankyou Swindon, and the brunelrooms Yayyyy the Brunel "shrooms' - Fond memories of that place here as well boomer. That revolving bar cuaght me out so many times. *where am I* *where has everyone gone* *I can feel the world revolving* *oh how I love life* etc etc Thanks for the mammories...

[Pixie]

As the police spokesman said at the time,"it will be heavily enforced":lol:
:stupid:

[Skyryder]

I thought the LTSA diagrams and instructions were totally un-ambiguous. It worries me that there are people out there driving that are either too ignorant to learn the rules, or too stupid to comprehend them.

Been here on this one before but just can not resist some comments. It's not that people are stupd it's the LTNZ that is at fault for the roundabout signaling fiasco. On any other intersection if I am going straight ahead I am not required to signal, but no the boffins at the LTNZ in their wisdom have deemed that at roundabouts I must use my indicators when going straight ahead. I don't care if its after the left or right hand exit I will not add to the confusion of other road users and thereby risk my life or an accident just because some wanker at at the LTNZ believes that this law is in the public interest.

Skyryder

[Lou Girardin]

Been here on this one before but just can not resist some comments. It's not that people are stupd it's the LTNZ that is at fault for the roundabout signaling fiasco. On any other intersection if I am going straight ahead I am not required to signal, but no the boffins at the LTNZ in their wisdom have deemed that at roundabouts I must use my indicators when going straight ahead. I don't care if its after the left or right hand exit I will not add to the confusion of other road users and thereby risk my life or an accident just because some wanker at at the LTNZ believes that this law is in the public interest.

Skyryder

So you don't think that it's considerate to indicate to other roundabout users which exit you're going to take?

[Devil]

Been here on this one before but just can not resist some comments. It's not that people are stupd it's the LTNZ that is at fault for the roundabout signaling fiasco. On any other intersection if I am going straight ahead I am not required to signal, but no the boffins at the LTNZ in their wisdom have deemed that at roundabouts I must use my indicators when going straight ahead. I don't care if its after the left or right hand exit I will not add to the confusion of other road users and thereby risk my life or an accident just because some wanker at at the LTNZ believes that this law is in the public interest.

Skyryder
WTF?? You're one of them aren't you? Sent here to test me.

Signal when you're leaving a roundabout!

[denill]

WTF?? You're one of them aren't you? Sent here to test me.

Signal when you're leaving a roundabout!

Yeah - signal when you leave a roundabout (IF the Dia allows) otherwise you will just become one of the MANY wankers who are causing confusion

Just today at a roundabout that controls a Tee intersection I nearly got trapped (my fault) when a car with it's right indicator on actually was doing a U turn by going back whence they came.
And I had wrongly assumed it was just another wanker indicating that 'they' were not turning left - by putting on the r/h indicator:bash: as 30% do when 'they' are in fact NOT changing direction but going straight ahead and think that the arc of the Roundabout 'they' are negotiating constitutes a r/h turn????????

It was not even close to an accident BUT those who write; assume nothing, regardless of indication at Roundabouts since LTSA applied their new rools - are right.................

I know that writing this will achieve NOTHING as it preaching to the converted - but I feel a bit better now...........

[Momentum]

the other night i was driving home in hamilton and i was behind a cop car Plate number cbt605.
I watched him change lanes once with out indicating and turn right at a set of lights with out indicating then he did use them when he turned into the cop shop

GOOD GOING MR PLOD

[boomer]

Yayyyy the Brunel "shrooms' - Fond memories of that place here as well boomer. That revolving bar cuaght me out so many times. *where am I* *where has everyone gone* *I can feel the world revolving* *oh how I love life* etc etc Thanks for the mammories...

i'd forgotten about the spinning bar, an experience in itself, not too unlike the magic round-a-bout(s). Thanks for the bling bling Biff and some coming your way for the mammories of the revolving bar :2thumbsup

I figure after driving/riding in the UK and other major cities you take on a defensive style and look after yourself, assume the worst and cater for it.
Bogeys at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5... 12 o'clock

[myvice]

I never indicate!
It is a sign of weakness and as an Aucklander I'm more important than you are so you don’t deserve to know where I'm going!
Not that its any of your business anyway, why do you want to know?
Nosy little insignificant! If I had more time I'd clime out of my Hummer/Cayane/X5 BMW/Euro trash 4X4, and slap you with a soggy paninni and throw my supertrimdecaflatemocha at you!
Lucky I have to go and drive blindly through red lights while talking on my $968739573.67 cell phone which is so much prettier than yours on my way to some poncy gym that the likes of you wouldn’t be allowed in!