God made me do it! [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

Big Dog

19th February 2004, 19:11

God made me do it.

As most of you will have gathered by now i normally don't filter.

Today god made me. As I pulled onto the north western at rush hour from st Lukes all of a sudden about 15 cars all pulled over to let me past :thud: :2thumbsup So I filled the gap. From there to rosebank rd whenever the traffic slowed to below 50kmph they parted again. I resisted till 30kmph but then realised that this many bikers could not have all taken their cars to work today by simple coincidence so I followed the path laid out for me as the traffic parted like the red sea for Moses.

Excellent work big guy :hug: :Punk: :ride:

Firefight

19th February 2004, 19:23

Big Dog

19th February 2004, 19:37

Hey BD, good to see God working for you.

FF
Good to see my tax dollars at work :lol:

Zed

19th February 2004, 19:38

Big Dog

19th February 2004, 19:49

Sometimes the circumstances in life appear to be the handiwork of the Almighty, but do you really believe that God works in this way?

If you do, then just maybe He did part the north-western sea of traffic for you!

Zed :innocent:

Just to be sure it wasn't :devil2: I used the whole "Deliver us from temptation" line. Immediately more people parted.

I know I am using this to justify actions I normally decry, as far as some of you are concerned. My god loves me and he works in mysterious ways I take the knocks but I also take advantage of his help when he offers it as the good lord helps those who help themselves :whistle: (except shoplifters).

Just to get a little spititual for a moment, many has been the time that signs from god have been the difference between life and death. The question is is it because he has a purpose for me or because he doesn't want me in heaven? :spudwave:

madandy

20th February 2004, 18:36

Perhaps all these new "lookout for motorcylists" signs on buses and roadside signs are having an effect on our cage driving bretheren... :spudwhat:

Yamahamaman

20th February 2004, 18:42

Perhaps all these new "lookout for motorcylists" signs on buses and roadside signs are having an effect on our cage driving bretheren... :spudwhat:
That is assuming that they can read english - otherwise they will just see us as a target!!! :eek:

Zed

20th February 2004, 20:26

Just to get a little spititual for a moment, many has been the time that signs from god have been the difference between life and death. The question is is it because he has a purpose for me or because he doesn't want me in heaven? :spudwave:
He wants everyone in heaven BD, even reckless motorcyclists (they must confess & repent though :) )

Zed

wkid_one

20th February 2004, 20:32

He wants everyone in heaven BD, even reckless motorcyclists (they must confess & repent though :) )

Zed
Is this not a cop out tho. So you can be reckless all through out your life and provided you say 'I'm Sorry' - all is forgiven??

Why is it all the death row prisioners find God not long before they are executed? Maybe they want another go at the people they killed when they are in heaven?

Zed

20th February 2004, 20:32

Perhaps all these new "lookout for motorcylists" signs on buses and roadside signs are having an effect on our cage driving bretheren... :spudwhat:
Those signs may plant a small seed of reminder in the subconscious of the cage driver, but I wouldn't say that any of them stay awake at night thinking about how more aware and considerate of motorcyclists they are going to be in the future!

I'm still planning on staying in front of them at all times on the road where possible. :ride:

Zed

Yamahamaman

20th February 2004, 21:07

I'm still planning on staying in front of them at all times on the road where possible. :ride:

Zed
I worry about being tailgated by tintops. In an emergency stop situation and the braking ability of my bike, I would be run over by the tintop while it is still trying to stop!!! :eek:

Zed

20th February 2004, 21:15

Is this not a cop out tho. So you can be reckless all through out your life and provided you say 'I'm Sorry' - all is forgiven??

Why is it all the death row prisioners find God not long before they are executed? Maybe they want another go at the people they killed when they are in heaven?
You continue to misread my smilies Cincinnati Kid! Even though what you say are certainly valid points, and I have answers to them, I was not being altogether serious in my post to BD about entry into heaven! :p

Zed

Zed

20th February 2004, 21:22

I worry about being tailgated by tintops. In an emergency stop situation and the braking ability of my bike, I would be run over by the tintop while it is still trying to stop!!! :eek:
When I say stay in front of them I mean with a fair distance between...unless it is heavy traffic I try and get as far in front of cars, etc as possible- I can control my bike but I can't control other motorists.

BTW you have a very awesome bike there Yman! :yes:

Zed

MadDuck

20th February 2004, 21:22

Those signs may plant a small seed of reminder in the subconscious of the cage driver, but I wouldn't say that any of them stay awake at night thinking about how more aware and considerate of motorcyclists they are going to be in the future!

I'm still planning on staying in front of them at all times on the road where possible. :ride:

Zed

If GOD didnt want us to ride bikes ..then he wouldnt have created them! If you plan to stay ahead then you breaking the rules of the land then you breaking one of the commandments. I am sure you know which one wothout the MadDuck spelling it out for ya

Zed

20th February 2004, 21:30

If GOD didnt want us to ride bikes ..then he wouldnt have created them! If you plan to stay ahead then you breaking the rules of the land then you breaking one of the commandments. I am sure you know which one wothout the MadDuck spelling it out for ya
Howdy doody MadDuck,

God created the heaven and the earth, the animal kingdom & mankind also...but motorcycles? Maybe you mean that He gave man the intellect to invent motorcycles? Yeah I think that's what you were driving at. :)

About planning to stay ahead of the traffic, it is possible to do this without breaking the laws of God and man...with more riding experience you may find out how? :ride:

Zed

wkid_one

20th February 2004, 21:38

Howdy doody MadDuck,

God created the heaven and the earth, the animal kingdom & mankind also...but motorcycles? Maybe you mean that He gave man the intellect to invent motorcycles? Yeah I think that's what you were driving at. :)

About planning to stay ahead of the traffic, it is possible to do this without breaking the laws of God and man...with more riding experience you may find out how? :ride:

Zed SO are we going back around to the whole 'is speeding evil in the eyes of god?' issue are we?

Technically if all the traffic is travelling at 100kph - there is NO WAY to get in front of them without breaking the 'law of the land'.......is there? I myself haven't quite yet perfected the hyper-jump, I always end up off target....maybe this is one way to do so.

How, praytell, Zed does one 'get and stay' in front of traffic travelling at 100kph without breaking the law?? (excluding traffic lights and intersections)?

As there is still the whole 'lane splitting' argument to deal with - as by technical definition this breaks the law also as it is illegal to share a lane with another vehicle?

You other worldly powers must be greater than mine I must confess....as I have yet to muster the art of overtaking at a slower speed than the car in front of me.

Also - surely God knew that we would create motorbikes as this would have been part of his devine plan - therefore by giving us the ability to do so - he DID in fact create motorcycles. Your logic is flawed. By sheer virtue of being the CREATOR - he is responsible for all things on the planet - whether animated or inanimate.

Zed

20th February 2004, 21:49

SO are we going back around to the whole 'is speeding evil in the eyes of god?' issue are we?

Technically if all the traffic is travelling at 100kph - there is NO WAY to get in front of them without breaking the 'law of the land'.......is there? I myself haven't quite yet perfected the hyper-jump, I always end up off target....maybe this is one way to do so.

How, praytell, Zed does one 'get and stay' in front of traffic travelling at 100kph without breaking the law?? (excluding traffic lights and intersections)?

As there is still the whole 'lane splitting' argument to deal with - as by technical definition this breaks the law also as it is illegal to share a lane with another vehicle?

You other worldly powers must be greater than mine I must confess....as I have yet to muster the art of overtaking at a slower speed than the car in front of me.

Also - surely God knew that we would create motorbikes as this would have been part of his devine plan - therefore by giving us the ability to do so - he DID in fact create motorcycles. Your logic is flawed. By sheer virtue of being the CREATOR - he is responsible for all things on the planet - whether animated or inanimate.

NO, this is not about God at all...you people read into it too much!

"Staying in front of the traffic" is a figure of speech, and notice how I said "where possible". It simply means getting in front of cars, trucks, buses, etc so the risk of them not seeing me in their blindspot vision is decreased. It doesn't have anything to do with riding at outrageous speeds to get miles in front of traffic. I try and take every opportunity to pass vehicles because I feel restricted by them and understand that there are many drivers out there who could endanger my life!

Have I explained myself enough? :sick:

Zed

MadDuck

20th February 2004, 22:02

LMFAO you have a lot to learn young man and best I leave it there for our more experienced riders to make comment.
Your speed is your business and no doubt you sleep well with your maker. You will learn in time ...every time you speed you break the law. Can you cope with that ?
I can because life is a challenge. Meet it , break it , and suffer the consequences

marty

20th February 2004, 22:13

If GOD didnt want us to ride bikes ..then he wouldnt have created them!

does that also mean if God didn't want for us to break the law(s), then he wouldn't have made any?

Zed

20th February 2004, 22:48

Also - surely God knew that we would create motorbikes as this would have been part of his devine plan - therefore by giving us the ability to do so - he DID in fact create motorcycles. Your logic is flawed. By sheer virtue of being the CREATOR - he is responsible for all things on the planet - whether animated or inanimate.

How you suddenly become an authority on theology puzzles me Wkid- especially when several weeks ago you were calling yourself an athiest! :wacko:

As in my PM to Wkid: God created the "elements" and gave mankind dominion & responsibilty over those elements. If mankind goes ahead and invents the radio, television, or motorcycle, it is theologically (the study of God) incorrect to say that God created these manmade inventions! Did God also create marijuana, alcohol, and pornography? Of course not, but man created these things from resources that God had made available to him.

One of the biggest copouts in life are those who will not take responsibility for their own actions and then lay all blame at other peoples feet, and ultimately at Gods!

Thanks for this thread BD, but now back to bikes! :msn-wink:

Zed

wkid_one

21st February 2004, 07:46

I the Great Windup up continues successfully.

Zed

21st February 2004, 07:49

I the Great Windup up continues successfully.
*raspberry* :bleh:

wkid_one

21st February 2004, 07:49

Did God also create marijuana
And there you are wrong again. Hemp is actually referred to in the Bible in numerous instances. God WAS responsible for the flora and fauna!!

Also - THC is one of the only illicit chemical that the human brain as the exact chemical receptical to recieve - this being the case, God must have created the human brain with a view to it using THC or else he wouldn't have designed the human brain with the recepticle to recieve it. Once again proven wrong.

Zed

21st February 2004, 07:53

And there you are wrong again. Hemp is actually referred to in the Bible in numerous instances. God WAS responsible for the flora and fauna!!

Also - THC is one of the only illicit chemical that the human brain as the exact chemical receptical to recieve - this being the case, God must have created the human brain with a view to it using THC or else he wouldn't have designed the human brain with the recepticle to recieve it. Once again proven wrong.
Your words aren't proof enough Dan- quote your exact sources for your claims and you might gain some credibility! Didn't you learn this in school?

Zed

wkid_one

21st February 2004, 07:59

Your words aren't proof enough Dan- quote your exact sources for your claims and you might gain some credibility! Didn't you learn this in school?

Zed
If you insist. The receptor site was discovered in 1988.

an excerpt from one article

Until the 1980s, technological limitations obstructed scientific understanding of the neuropharmacology of THC, of how the active ingredient in marijuana actually affects brain functions. Observations and conclusions about this subject, though based on some biological studies, were largely influenced by observations of behavior. This has allowed cultural prejudice to sustain the faith that marijuana is somehow related to heroin, and that research will eventually prove this hypothesis. Actually, the discovery of the THC receptor site and the subsequent research and observations it has inspired conclusively refute the hypothesis that marijuana is dope.

Marijuana and the Human Brain, John Gettman
A larger description for you
A BRIEF HISTORY OF THC RESEARCH

The receptor breakthrough occurred in 1988 at the St. Louis University Medical School where Allyn Howlett, William Devane and their associates identified and characterized a cannabinoid receptor in a rat brain. The breakthrough has a long history leading up to it.

Major figures in American and British organic chemistry, such as Roger Adams, Alex Todd and Sigmund Loewe, did important work in determining the pharmacology of cannabis in the 1940s and 1950s, but their work ground to a halt due to the disinterest cultivated by the 1937 federal ban on marijuana. While synthetic compounds were created which were close to the actual compound, THC, they were not equivalent to it. The structure of one related chemical, cannabidiol, was determined.

After repeating the isolation of cannabidiol, in 1963 Mechoulam began work with Yehiel Gaoni that led to the determination of the biosynthetic pathway by which the plant synthesizes cannabinoids. In 1964 Gaoni and Mechoulam isolated tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and a few years later they reported the first synthesis of THC.

Following the identification of the active constituent in marijuana, scientific research began to fill in the gaps and build on Mechoulam's initial breakthrough. The neutral and acidic cannabinoids in cannabis were isolated, and their structures were elucidated. The absolute configurations were determined, as was a reasonable scheme of biogenesis. Total synthesis of the chemical was obtained, and the structure-activity relationship was established. These developments laid the foundation for pharmacological research involving animals and man.

This work, along with observations of marijuana's therapeutic applications, opened up investigation into the medical properties of cannabinoids in general and THC in particular.

Medical research into the health effects of cannabis also matured throughout this period. In a comprehensive 1986 article in the Pharmacological Review, (http://www.pdxnorml.org/PR_Hollister_Health_Aspects_1986.html) Leo Hollister of the Stanford University School of Medicine concluded that "compared with other licit social drugs, such as alcohol, tobacco and caffeine, marijuana does not pose greater risks." (http://www.pdxnorml.org/PR_Hollister_Health_Aspects_1986.html#Gettman_link _1)"Marijuana may prove to have greater therapeutic potential than these other social drugs, but many questions still need to be answered." (http://www.pdxnorml.org/PR_Hollister_Health_Aspects_1986.html#Gettman_link _2) Hollister wondered if these currently licit drugs would have enjoyed their popular acceptance based on our current knowledge of them. Nonetheless, it has been widely held throughout the 1980s, as Hollister concluded, that

The primary question, though, was how do cannabinoids work on the brain? By 1986, scientists were already on the slippery slope that would lead to the discovery of the cannabinoid receptor. The triennial reports from the National Institute on Drug Abuse summarizing research on marijuana had begun to omit references to research on marijuana-related brain damage and instead focus on brain receptor research. A comprehensive article by Renee Wert and Michael Raoulin was published in the International Journal of the Addictions that year, detailing the flaws in all previous studies that claimed to show brain damage resulting from marijuana use. As Hollister independently concluded, "Brain damage has not been proved." (http://www.pdxnorml.org/PR_Hollister_Health_Aspects_1986.html#Gettman_link _3) The reason, obviously, is that the brain was prepared in some respects to process THC.

Also in 1986, Mechoulam put together a book reviewing this research, Cannabinoids as Therapeutic Agents (CRC Press, Boca Raton, FL). One promising area of research was the use of cannabinoids as analgesics or painkillers. A synthetic cannabinoid named CP 55,940, 10-100 times more potent than THC, was also developed in 1986; this was the key to the cannabinoid receptor breakthrough.

Receptors are binding sites for chemicals in the brain, chemicals that instruct brain cells to start, stop or otherwise regulate various brain and body functions. The chemicals which trigger receptors are known as neurotransmitters. The brain's resident neurotransmitters are known as endogenous ligands. In many instances, drugs mimic these natural chemicals working in the brain. Scientists are just now confirming their determinations as to which endogenous ligands work on the cannabinoid receptors; it is likely that the neurotransmitter which naturally triggers cannabinoid receptors is one known as anandamide. Research continues.

To grossly oversimplify the research involved, a receptor is determined by exposing brain tissue to various chemicals and observing if any of them uniquely bind to the tissue. The search for a cannabinoid receptor depended on the use of a potent synthetic that would allow observation of the binding. CP 55,940 provided this potency, and it allowed Howlett, Devane and their associates, working with tissue from a rat brain, to fulfill precise scientific criteria for determining the existence of a pharmacologically-distinct cannabinoid in brain tissue.

A year later the localization of cannabinoid receptors in human brains and other species was determined by scientists at the National Institute of Mental Health, led by Miles Herkenham and including Ross Johnson and Lawrence Melvin, who had worked with Howlett and Devane on the earlier study.

I have SHIT LOADS more data if you want it - but this should suffice

Zed

21st February 2004, 08:14

If you insist. The receptor site was discovered in 1988.
I have SHIT LOADS more data if you want it - but this should suffice

It must be made clear that this is only a hypothesis (theory) Wkid, so we wouldn't want to be misleading anyone into believing this article is scientific fact now would we!

Where's the conclusive evidence to your shallow claims that God created marijuana Wkid?

Please PM me if you need to debate it further because we are way :Offtopic:
"Only dopes smoke dope." :bash:

Zed

wkid_one

21st February 2004, 08:24

If you insist it is hypothetical Zed.....what ever lets you sleep at night. There is more empirical data supporting this than not - but continue looking at it with one eye shut. You are welcome to take it to pm because you don't want to be proven incorrect in a public forum.

Re the God and Marijuana - my shallow claims are supporting by a funny little book called the bible

What does the Bible say about marijuana? The Bible says that God created hemp for people to use "as meat," (ie, to consume), that its seed oil is to be used as an ointment, and that cannabis is "to be received with thanks-giving of them which believe and know the truth." Paul also warned that some people would "speak lies in hypocrisy" and prohibit us from using it.

It also says that we "shall not bear false witness" about people who use cannabis, nor judge them because that judgement is reserved to the Lord. The Lord hates those who speak lies and sow discord among brethern. For those people harrassed and imprisoned for using cannabis rightfuly, Jesus offers these words of comfort, "Blessed are those persecuted for righteousness's sake: For theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven. By saying Dopes smoke dope - you are judging people - and therefore in contravention of the very word of the Lord

God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so." And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (Gen. 1:29-31)

Moreover, the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 23 Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even 250 shekels, and of qaneh-bosm [cannabis] 250 shekels, 24 And of cassia 500 shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: 25 And thou shalt make it an oil of holy anointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil. 26 And thous shalt anoint the tabernacle of the congregation therewith, and the ark of the testimony, 27 And the table and all his vessels, and the candlestick ahd his vessels, and the altar of incense, 28 And the altar of burnt offerings with all his vessels, and the laver and his foot. 29 And thou shalt sanctify them, that they may be most holy: whatsoever toucheth them shall be holy. (Exodus 30:22-29)

Oh - And some more evidence

Exodus chapter 30 verse 22 - 33:

Moreover the Lord spoke unto Moses, saying: "Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet KINEBOISIN two hundred and fifty shekels.

And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of olive oil an hin

And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary; it shall be an holy anointing oil

And thou shalt anoint the tabernacle of the congregation therewith, and the ark of the testimony.

Upon man's flesh shall it not be poured, neither shall ye make any other like it, after the composition of it: it is holy, and it shall be holy unto you

Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger, shall even be cut off from his people

KINEBOISIN, according to the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, is the old name for cannabis - it was also spelt kannabosm. They claim it was mis-translated in the King James' version of the bible, as "calamus"

I'm sorry to break the news Zed - but Lord appears to have bestowed the virtues of Electric Poohah on the world.....it appears he was even the first dealer.....giving some to Moses

Zed

21st February 2004, 09:04

I'm sorry to break the news Zed - but Lord appears to have bestowed the virtues of Electric Poohah on the world.....it appears he was even the first dealer.....giving some to Moses
It appears that this thread has revealed some things about you Wkid! All strong advocates for pro-marijuana are active users!

The question I ask you is "did you use drugs when you rode motorcycles?" I have known several who did and they too had accidents. :eek5:

*trying to get back to motorcycling here...

Zed
"only dopes smoke dope!"

marty

21st February 2004, 09:22

marty

21st February 2004, 09:24

personally i'd rather deal with a stoned person than a drunk person, and therein lies the crux of the use of cannabis debate - it may be ok on it's own, but in my opinion it does lead to stronger drug use, a bit like drinking beer leads to drinking spirits......and believe me, i have seen plenty evidence of what 'drug use' does to people and their families

Firefight

21st February 2004, 09:38

:Offtopic: but :whocares: , so What did Martin Luther, mean when he said

" Whatever your heart clings to and confides in, that is really your God"

Firefight :wacko:

wkid_one

21st February 2004, 09:56

It appears that this thread has revealed some things about you Wkid! All strong advocates for pro-marijuana are active users!

The question I ask you is "did you use drugs when you rode motorcycles?" I have known several who did and they too had accidents. :eek5:

*trying to get back to motorcycling here...

Zed
"only dopes smoke dope!"
The greatest debating technique....diversion. When lost rebute with a question pointing at the credibility of the person who is winning.

Actually I never have nor will ride or drive stoned/drunk or otherwise impaired.

As for being an active user - I have never indicated I AM PRO-THC use....merely stated the fact that it was condoned and established in the doctrines of the bible you profess to be all knowledgeable about.

Again your inference is incorrect as to the virtues of my supposed drug use.

wkid_one

21st February 2004, 10:00

*sits back and watches the debate*

Points so far:

wkid - 1
zed - nil

and zed - making comments like 'All strong advocates for pro-marijuana are active users!' is a bit sweeping. back your argument/statements up with some facts (gee where have i heard that before????????????)
PMPL laffing. It seems that many religious zealots (and I choose this word purposefully) - only read and take from the bible the points they WANT to hear.

Cannabis is a herb defined in the bible. My only point was the God created it!!! The fact he told Moses to distribute it is another matter. I have never said I am for or against it. I have tried it - who hasn't.

Zed......just concede as I have proven both the points you asked me to prove with factual evidence. Yes - there is a receptor in the human brain an exact chemical match to THC and God DID create cannabis. Given both these facts - it is also able to be inferred God intended us to USE IT also......well the bible says this as well - refer my quotes.

As for riding stoned - that is just fecken stupid:doh::doh:

Big Dog

21st February 2004, 19:22

It must be made clear that this is only a hypothesis (theory)

Zed
If I'm not mistaken your career as a minister is based on a hypothesis? :moon:

MikeL

21st February 2004, 21:40

O.K. Zed, try this:
If God is omnipotent (all-powerful) and could have created man perfect, but instead created him imperfect (because he is capable of being tempted into sin); and if He is omniscient (all-knowing), and therefore knew that man would sin, free-will must be an illusion, and God is just another name for Cosmic Practical Joker.
And I can do 180 kph on the Southern Motorway knowing that my licence might be forfeited and my bike confiscated but my eternal soul is in no more jeopardy than if I were puddling along at a dismal law-abiding 100 kph, because God is laughing at me anyway.
:eek5:

SPman

21st February 2004, 22:03

Anyway, surely traffic laws are the laws of men (and a few women, no doubt!) - not God - so, does he give a toss! He/she probably has more weighty matters to worry about! :Pokey:

Zed

21st February 2004, 22:58

riffer

21st February 2004, 23:09

Hmmm. And a very topical signature you have there too SPman.

Suicidal Tendencies "You can't bring me down"

Had a little chuckle when I read your signature.

That song takes me back a bit. I used to play it in an old band. Bastard of a song to play too IIRC.

Though I guess the irony of the lyrics is lost on most people.