NZ motorcycle magazines?

[denill]

It would be interesting to see what the consensus of thinking is out there on NZ motorcycle mags. :confused2 :confused2

How would you rate Kiwi Rider out of 10?
How would you rate BRM out of 10?

There was mention recently that Kiwi Rider was missing the plot and trying to be all things to all people.
OK, where in your opinions, should the mags direct their attentions?

[White trash]

Kiwi rider gets a 6 from me. Not bad but not my scene. The bikes aren't given the performance testing I like to read about.

BRM gets a 1. Six months ago it would of got a 0. It's now just starting to get a personality. Kudos to the Editor and his wife for having a good go at it though. I like the finnish of the mag but although I enjoy touring, I'm not too interested in others stories of how good their PC800's gas mileage was between Milton and Gore.

[Yamahamaman]

How would you rate Kiwi Rider out of 10?


I did once subscribe to Kiwi Rider. Content: 90% advertising (includes advertising in the form of accessory reviews) About a 1.5 I give it.

[Solarwind]

I've always liked the British mags, and this doesn't just go for motorcycle ones. They seem to have more attitude. I'd like to see more off-the-wall articles and crazy silliness in general.

[Motu]

There is no NZ Dirtbike Rider - so KiwiRider is my first pick,always has been because they are always there.

[Firefight]

Used to buy KR due to off road intersts, they are ok for that or adventure riders, but as I said before, since Bentman went back to pommy land there road bike section lacks something, I therefore stopped buying it(Sorry John Nic) rate it about 3.0 as overall,

Have read BRM think its getting better with age (and thats thanks to some good KBer articles) like a good wine it will come right about 6.5 atm

firefight :cool:

[moko]

I quite liked what I saw of Kiwirider.Best-seller,and best,mag here is RIDE,they test stuff to destruction from security gear to clothing,test as many used bikes as new ones,run a massive reader survey every year to find out what bikes are like to actually live with as opposed to test-ride from the makers fleet and have all kinds of intersting ideas.For example they did a long-distance run using an SP2,an ER5 Kawasaki(500 commuter twin) and a 1200 BMW,guy on the SP refused to ride it back because he was in agony and the little Kwack held up well against the BMW which cost about 4 times as much.Latest issue they asked readers(they keep a database from their survey) if they could come round and interview them on the security measures they used.While they were there they got a group of blokes to steal the bikes,showed how easy it was to get around the usual stuff then gave the owners the gear they recommended.biggest eye-opener was that in 2 cases passers-by just ignored 4 blokes lifting a motorbike into the back of a van.

[mangell6]

I find that each magazine caters for different folks, to me BRM is about Harley Riders (back of the mag) and people who like to ride/cruise/etc. One cannot compare it to any of the overseas magazines as it is aimed at a small segment of the population.

And Motu summed up KiwiRider for me.

[marty]

bike trader is for me - nice to dream. there's so much stuff online now it's silly, so i just do the trader in the loo thing.

[marty]

i hope that's not too much info.....

[madandy]

I'm-a-trader-on-the-throne reader too :yes:

[wkid_one]

Fast Bike, Performance Bike, Superbike Mag are the ones for me.

Don't like NZ mags as a general rule. Too small a distribution so they rely HEAVILY on advertising to make up for poor subscription costs (yes I know I am contributing by buying OS mags)

Also the UK Mags are better for the up to the minute bike tests, hooliganism and generally the type of riding and bikes I like.

Don't like OZ mags like 2 Wheels as they are too journalistic.

[jimbo600]

Both NZ mags mentioned deserve -20 each. Absolute crap. Every month I con myself into buying trader and news and yup, every month it's full of shit. BRM is starting to get a personality as the deviant Mr Trash mentioned, but there's no excuse for sloppy prose and awful photography. MPG figures and other wank........not interested. Pommy mags are the only periodicals worth reading.

[White trash]

Both NZ mags mentioned deserve -20 each. Absolute crap. Every month I con myself into buying trader and news and yup, every month it's full of shit. BRM is starting to get a personality as the deviant Mr Trash mentioned, but there's no excuse for sloppy prose and awful photography. MPG figures and other wank........not interested. Pommy mags are the only periodicals worth reading.

You would say that ya pommy git!

Sod off back to the UK and stop stealing our women! :yes:

[Hitcher]

The kiwi bike magazines do OK given that they have no financial backing. Kiwirider has the odd good article and some of their contributing reviewers do a pretty good job. BRM is starting to improve, and the glossy paper and colour pics help its look and feel. Motorcycle Trader and News is the real bolter in this field, drawing heavily on Alan Cathcart reviews and also helped by glossy paper.

I enjoy the Aussie "Two Wheels" and the UK "Motorcycle Sport and Leisure" -- both mags proving that it's possible to inject a bit of intelligence into the study of motorcycles, rather than having to rely on tits and minge to make a sale!

[jimbo600]

I keep tellin' ya, I'm a kiwi now mate. Sweet as and all that. And my woman is an Aussie god damn it.

Go the black caps.

Got ya bike back yet?.............Ho ho ho and you reckon you're funny.

[James Deuce]

The kiwi bike magazines do OK given that they have no financial backing. Kiwirider has the odd good article and some of their contributing reviewers do a pretty good job. BRM is starting to improve, and the glossy paper and colour pics help its look and feel. Motorcycle Trader and News is the real bolter in this field, drawing heavily on Alan Cathcart reviews and also helped by glossy paper.

I enjoy the Aussie "Two Wheels" and the UK "Motorcycle Sport and Leisure" -- both mags proving that it's possible to inject a bit of intelligence into the study of motorcycles, rather than having to rely on tits and minge to make a sale!

I like these two as well as AMCN. I also enjoy Cycle World because I'm a huge fan of Peter Egan's writing.

I got a bit POed when Performance Bikes went over to the softcore porn side of the market about 10 minutes after John Robinson (Best motorcycle technical writer EVER) died of cancer. They used to be humourous and informative. Now they're just a bunch of fat lechers.

[James Deuce]

And back one track, I'm not a huge Dirt Bike fan, so I don't buy Kiwi Rider. I'd give it a 4.5 out of 10 for effort.

I enjoy BRM because they involve people from the NZ motorcycle community, and as others have said, are developing a personality and style of their own. I'd give them 6 out of 10 at the moment.

[Lou Girardin]

Kiwi rider = OK. Except I'm not keen on paying for dirtbike stuff.
BRM = also OK.
The trend in both of these is too much info on cruiser type bikes and cruiser type rides.
Granted, in a market as small as NZ it's unavoidable. But I still prefer O'sea's mags.
Lou

[yessum]

Kiwi rider = OK. Except I'm not keen on paying for dirtbike stuff.

Not that 8 bucks [or whatever it costs] is a huge expense or anything, but no I haven't even glanced at any of the KR dirtbike stuff.

Definitely love UK's Performance Bikes.. I have a number of issues spanning the last few years, which is funny since I only started riding 3 weeks ago.. :whistle:

[tlronny]

Kiwirider 2.5/10 - too much dirt stuff nowdays and product reviews are just soft c**k !
BRM - who reads that ?
MT 3.5/10 - too much of the 'old boys stuff
AMCN 5/10 - just OK
PB 9/10 - porn ?
SB 9/10 - ditto
Anything american - cant believe any of it really ??

[What?]

I, for one, do read BRM. Cover to cover. What I like about it that it is all written by real-world people; not professional (sycophantic) journalists.
KiwiRider has definitely gone off the boil since Bentman departed, and I think was actually going down before he arrived. Lately I find myself reading Nash, Moroney and DragonLady and pretty-well ignoring the rest. When my sub runs out, that will likely be the end of it for me.
As for OS mags, Two Wheels, Streetbike and Ride. Occasionally a copy of Classic & Motorcycle Mechanics makes it into the shopping list.

[merv]

I've been subscribing to Kiwi Rider and the previous NZ Motorcycle News for over 30 years now. I'm quite happy with its content, both road and dirt as I do both things myself. These days with the internet you can find anything you want but I still enjoy reading the local stuff. I'm not fussed on BRM or Motorcycle Trader as I only fork out the one subscription. I'd rate Kiwi Rider probably an 8 given the environment they work in (i.e. limited Kiwi market). No need for me to compare it to pommy mags which I might look at occasionally and maybe buy only once a year.

[Oscar]

I've been subscribing to Kiwi Rider and the previous NZ Motorcycle News for over 30 years now. I'm quite happy with its content, both road and dirt as I do both things myself. These days with the internet you can find anything you want but I still enjoy reading the local stuff. I'm not fussed on BRM or Motorcycle Trader as I only fork out the one subscription. I'd rate Kiwi Rider probably an 8 given the environment they work in (i.e. limited Kiwi market). No need for me to compare it to pommy mags which I might look at occasionally and maybe buy only once a year.


(I'll have to declare an interest up front, in that I occasionally write for KR.)
I'm a great fan of Cycle World (and Kevin Cameron).
As far as the local efforts, it is a difficult life balancing advertisers and subscribers in a small market. Not surprisingly, KR is my favourite, and I am interested to see the ref. to "dirt stuff" in it, as I thought they had the balance about right.

I've only seen a couple of issues of BRM, and I thought it was a bit strange (quirky?). Fer instance why would they would test a 1150GS and a Kawasaki ZZR together?

Trader is OK if you're looking for a new bike. The articles in it are 90% overseas sourced - even the "spannerman" talks about what are obviously Aussie letters. I was pissed off to see where in the latest issue they had a pie graph showing their market dominance - only to see in the fine print that these figures only related to service stations and supermarkets....tossers.

[Oscar]

I, for one, do read BRM. Cover to cover. What I like about it that it is all written by real-world people; not professional (sycophantic) journalists.


Interesting.
The new KR Editor is definitely a "write it as you find it" kinda guy.
I recently slagged a bike in an article and expected to have the reference removed as the marque was a big KR advertiser. It wasn't.

I also recently gave less than fulsome praise to an event I reviewed and the Editor has received several letters from readers complaining about my “negative attitude”.

[Motu]

Yeah,as far as I can see KR is a 50/50 split,nothing biased about it in any way - and the dirt bike section with reviews by overweight testers is in the back anyway - no complaints from dirtbikers that they have to go looking for their section.The real bikes are in the front - what more do you need.

Advertising? shit,how do you know what's out there? I'm always thumbing through old issues to find something I'm sure I read about last month...no?,maybe it was the month before?

[Solarwind]

For example they did a long-distance run using an SP2,an ER5 Kawasaki(500 commuter twin) and a 1200 BMW,guy on the SP refused to ride it back because he was in agony and the little Kwack held up well against the BMW which cost about 4 times as much.

*cheers* :ride:

[Oscar]

Yeah,as far as I can see KR is a 50/50 split,nothing biased about it in any way - and the dirt bike section with reviews by overweight testers is in the back anyway - no complaints from dirtbikers that they have to go looking for their section.The real bikes are in the front - what more do you need.

Advertising? shit,how do you know what's out there? I'm always thumbing through old issues to find something I'm sure I read about last month...no?,maybe it was the month before?

You coming to Pukemanu, Shortarse?

[Motu]

Course yes....well,that's todays plan.

[Oscar]

Course yes....well,that's todays plan.

I hear 4skins marked out some of the course....http://www.advrider.com/forums/images/smilies/vis.gif




















Heh heh, just kidding....http://www.advrider.com/forums/images/smilies/99smoke.gif

[merv]

Course yes....well,that's todays plan.

From one short arse to another I will be there as usual too - slight hiccup now that I'm prepping a new bike trying to get the WR to fit me. Ordered a shorter Ohlins shock for the back today so should be looking good. Have done a whole 9kms on it so far. Hopefully get the shock on this weekend and then start running it in before the event. I'll check with 4skins about the route if he makes lunch with us this week.

[Motu]

Your first good ride on the new scoot - you're gunna have a good day.I hope 4skins keeps me in mind if he has a hand in the lay out,tell him to lay it out for his grandfather!
I just dropped a tooth on the front sprocket and am reasonably happy with the XT400,but the weight could still be a problem for me - a steep rutted slippery climb will be my undoing - you know the stuff,the fine line between extending yourself and being in too deep.As we get older we have to pull our limits in a bit.

[What?]

Interesting.
The new KR Editor is definitely a "write it as you find it" kinda guy.
Hi Oscar. I agree with you here - my slant on "Professional Journo's" was more aimed at the Pomgolian and Yank scribes.
But I do feel that KR has been on a slide downhill, yet I have not actually decided not to renew my sub... just thinking it over. It is probably still worth the money just for Moroney and Nash.

[merv]

Your first good ride on the new scoot - you're gunna have a good day.

Yeah and here's the before and after pics - old bike and then WR freshly parked in my garage.

[brett7777]

I believe there's a new one entering the market, from April 1st. I don't have much detail, but they came & did pics & an article on one of my builds. Seem like good people, & were more professional than I expected.

[GrayWolf]

You would say that ya pommy git!

Sod off back to the UK and stop stealing our women! :yes:

BOLLOX,
ya want ya women back?? Give us back our blankets, beads and MUSKETS!!!!! :devil2:


OH preference for mag's is Trader, followed by KR,,,, now if you could 'meld' those 2 mag's together ?

[pritch]

I believe there's a new one entering the market, from April 1st. I don't have much detail, but they came & did pics & an article on one of my builds. Seem like good people, & were more professional than I expected.

Mammoth dredge:clap:

[Bassmatt]

All those that have posted in this thread , what are your views now, 8 years on?
I find I will read a KR in about 10 minutes (not into the dirt stuff) and then dont really pick it up again. I find BRM has a higher level of writing, the articles are more in depth and it doesnt seem to be as saturated with ads as KR. KR (not that I buy it anymore) goes in the bin when Ive read it, BRM goes to the "library".

[Big Dave]

Kiwi Rider is still the best bike magazine on the planet. Particularly well written. The big bike specialist is VERY good. Witty, insightful, knows where apostrophes go. A very high 'level of writing'. In fact I'd say a genius.

[Big Dave]

now if you could 'meld' those 2 mag's together ?

One day I can tell you a humourous story about that.

[F5 Dave]

wow, 2004.

But yeah KR is worse than ever. I stopped subscribing a few years back & occasionally buy one, but its mainly adds or once over so lightly articles. The only things of interest are sometimes people's ride stories.

I bought a 3 pack last month for $12 from Whitcouls clearing out bundled Oct/Nov/Dec. Paid too much.

Goes in the bin or passed on, I keep good mags.

[merv]

Me, I'm still happy with KR and continue to subscribe.

[scumdog]

One day I can tell you a humourous story about that.

Sounds like a line out of Blazing Saddles...

But do tell- 'one day'.

BRM when I buy a bike mag...otherwise read my old Twin Eagles!

[Big Dave]

Me, I'm still happy with KR and continue to subscribe.

Thank you Merv. As do a lot of people. Subs are strong. The Kawasaki Promo is just ramping up too.

KB moaners don't mean much. Not like they are hard to come by!

[martybabe]

Kiwi Rider smells nice, don't buy it any more. The last issue I bought I read in the five minutes I waited in the doctors surgery and left it in their magazine rack. Bike trader, Bike, Ride and that Australian one occasionally.

[Big Dave]

old Twin Eagles!

I did a few cover illustrations for them way back.

[Big Dave]

And - You should get this month's Heavy Duty for a dose of Twin Eagle style bikes, Scummy - I wrote the cover story.

http://www.heavyduty.com.au/magazine/2012-issues/hd121-mar-apr-2012/

Chuffed as.

[Taz]

I just can't be bothered with KR anymore.

[Big Dave]

I just can't be bothered with KR anymore.

Yeah - I know - it's a bit sad that I haven't been in it for a few months - but there's a feature or two coming up.

[scumdog]

And - You should get this month's Heavy Duty for a dose of Twin Eagle style bikes, Scummy - I wrote the cover story.

http://www.heavyduty.com.au/magazine/2012-issues/hd121-mar-apr-2012/

Chuffed as.

Choice, I'll score one next week...:cool:

[Conquiztador]

Yep, liked Twin Eagle (and even managed to do some writing in there). But MCM is still my fav bike mag:

http://www.mcm.se/mcm_in_english.htm

[Hitcher]

Some magazines are struggling with how to present content in the internet age. Motorcycle magazines are probably no exception to that.

[scumdog]

Some magazines are struggling with how to present content in the internet age. Motorcycle magazines are probably no exception to that.

Luckily for the magazine producers some find it too much of a drag totin' the p.c. to the dunny...

[Hitcher]

Luckily for the magazine producers some find it too much of a drag totin' the p.c. to the dunny...

Some of us still struggle with glossy paper in that environment, and most tablet devices have edges that just aren't sharp enough.

[jrandom]

I find I will read a KR in about 10 minutes (not into the dirt stuff) and then dont really pick it up again. I find BRM has a higher level of writing, the articles are more in depth and it doesnt seem to be as saturated with ads as KR. KR (not that I buy it anymore) goes in the bin when Ive read it, BRM goes to the "library".

I share your opinion.

I love Big Dave dearly as a human being, as we all do, but I don't think his writing ability is on a par with his photography.

[Big Dave]

Some magazines are struggling with how to present content in the internet age.


The 'issue' (geddit) is there are very few advertisers in the local industry who embrace the online medium.

[merv]

The thing is I tend to go for quick amusement these days and I can't be bothered reading long stories so find KR gets that about right for me.

Even here on KB if someone posts a long post I just skip it. I don't want to be reading long diatribes in my fun time. I can do enough of that at work.

[Big Dave]

Mervyn Mervyn Mervyn. The *correct* KB answer is 'I buy it because Big Dave can apostrophise'.

[NordieBoy]

Mervyn Mervyn Mervyn. The *correct* KB answer is 'I buy it because Big Dave can apostrophise'.

But can Big Dave pronounce "apostrophise" without a warm up?

I only buy TBM.

Would subscribe to more if they were on Zinio.

[Big Dave]

Yuh - I can run off at the mouth on demand. Often without demand.

[Woodman]

used to buy KR religiously, but stopped a few years ago because its the same every month, like groundhog day really, but if subs are strong then all power to it.

[Padmei]

I like Just Bikes from Aussie. I actually like the romance behind bike ownership & riding - the old stories, bikes being passed on to other family members etc -the human touch. I'm not one for statistics, performance reviews etc & I find a few pics of bikes for sale are worth more than a lot of words.

When KR started doing cafe reviews I just facepalmed. However I acknowledge that with the huge amount of cooking shows on TV that a good part of their readership would be interested.

I really like Nash & Spannerman from mct&n.

[scumdog]

I really like Nash & Spannerman from mct&n.

Yep, love the repair and maintenance bit in any mag.

[F5 Dave]

The thing is I tend to go for quick amusement these days and I can't be bothered reading long stories so find KR gets that about right for me.

Even here on KB if someone posts a long post I just skip it. I don't want to be reading long diatribes in my fun time. I can do enough of that at work.

You young folk & your short attn span:laugh:

[F5 Dave]

. . .
KB moaners don't mean much. Not like they are hard to come by!
yes that's the attitude. Customers, or ex customers are hardly worth worrying about.

[Oscar]

yes that's the attitude. Customers, or ex customers are hardly worth worrying about.


He was speaking of KB moaners.
My take on the average KB denizen is of an unemployed 18 year old who rides a rat RG150, lives with his mother and is addicted to porn and x-box. Great customer.

[Big Dave]

My take is the Ignore function works great.

[jrandom]

My take on the average KB denizen is of an unemployed 18 year old who rides a rat RG150, lives with his mother and is addicted to porn and x-box.

You've pretty much got me nailed.

[Madness]

My take on the average KB denizen is of an unemployed 18 year old who rides a rat RG150, lives with his mother and is addicted to porn and x-box.

But SMOKEU has a GSXR now, fully squid.

[Big Dave]

You've pretty much got me nailed.


If someone writes a letter to the Editor with a real name and address supplied saying 'I think you could improve your product in the following areas' then it'll get due attention. Action if possible.

'You're crap' on an anon web forum. Probably not.

[jrandom]

If someone writes a letter to the Editor with a real name and address supplied saying 'I think you could improve your product in the following areas' then it'll get due attention. Action if possible.

Lord knows I don't care enough to do that.

After all, I can just buy BRM.

[Big Dave]

Welcome to Internet Don'tcaresville.

[Big Dave]

Here is some EXCELLENT stuff the magazine is doing:

http://www.kiwiriderzine.com/2012/03/kr-kids-xc-series-update.html

[jrandom]

*dirt-riding shit*

*falls asleep*

[Big Dave]

*falls asleep*

Ha! One day you'll discover the joys of Adventure riding like you did that of a nice Harley.

PS And I'll say Toldyaso (again) :-P

[jrandom]

Ha! One day you'll discover the joys of Adventure riding like you did that of a nice Harley.

I dun bought me an '88 DR750 BIG last year, but I blew the cunt up before I ever got it offroad.

:pinch:

[Big Dave]

I have a good garage at the moment. New Street Glide (long term test bike) and my KLR650. I really like both of them.

[theseekerfinds]

I buy BRM but I don't know why, I recently admitted to my partner that I think the only reason I buy it is because I want to support a local Kiwi mag.. I stopped buying KR ages ago and never went back.. I found the previous comment about Pommy mags being up to date amusing considering they arrive months after the Aussie mags have printed the same tests on new bikes.. I buy the pommy mags myself because I like their particular style and I have always bought them since I got into riding ages ago.. Fast Bikes give stuff away, Superbike makes me want to buy it just to see what's worth $15 and I buy Performance Bikes in the vain hope that they will return to their old roots as a riders magazine and not a soft core porn mag with some bike articles to pad it out.. Aussie Motorcycle News is my home fave and has been since Two Wheels became too manufacturer sucky uppy in the early 90s.. KR 1 out of 10 for being Kiwi, BRM 3 out of 10 for being a better Kiwi, FB 7 out of 10 for giving stuff away and having posters, SB 7 out of 10 cos it's expensive it must be good, FB 4 out of 10 cos of it's history, AMCN 9 out of 10 cos it is that good, TW 3 out of 10 cos it used to be ok.. no other mags interest me

[F5 Dave]

He was speaking of KB moaners.
My take on the average KB denizen is of an unemployed 18 year old who rides a rat RG150, lives with his mother and is addicted to porn and x-box. Great customer.

I don't think you've been paying attn. A customer is anyone who buys your product. Also if you hadn't noticed motorcycling is an aging population.

But Kiwis vote with thier feet. I certainly couldn't be bothered writing to them to say why I can't be bothered reading their mag. If it was the only one I might, & indeed by way of example I have written to my favoured supermarket chain for example to tell them the competition nails them in the specialty bread, because I hate going to New World, but I have to to buy nice bread of a weekend.

[F5 Dave]

. . . and I buy Performance Bikes in the vain hope that they will return to their old roots as a riders magazine and not a soft core porn mag with some bike articles to pad it out..
Funny you say that, I do the same & have done for over 20 years. Some articles are still good & Rupert Paul is sort of back.
erm the porn thing didn't last long, think Superbike was more into that,

As a motorcyclist in his 40s I am enjoying Classic Motorcycle Mechanics to round things out.

[Big Dave]

Heeey - I should get a point for being Aussie then.

[CHOPPA]

Not enough race coverage in the mags for me
Local racing obviously doesnt sell magazine though :cry:

I still buy them all as soon as they hit the shelves.

The best magazine for me would be AMCN and its out every 2 weeks. They must be bloody busy

[Oscar]

I don't think you've been paying attn. A customer is anyone who buys your product. Also if you hadn't noticed motorcycling is an aging population.

But Kiwis vote with thier feet. I certainly couldn't be bothered writing to them to say why I can't be bothered reading their mag. If it was the only one I might, & indeed by way of example I have written to my favoured supermarket chain for example to tell them the competition nails them in the specialty bread, because I hate going to New World, but I have to to buy nice bread of a weekend.



And yet you can be bothered expressing yourself on the interweb.
In some detail.

[Big Dave]

Local racing obviously doesnt sell magazine though :cry:



It probably does - the problem is lead times. If the race is just after the mag goes to bed, (which it invariably seems to fall that way) then it's old news by the time the next issue hits the stands - probably at least one meeting 'stale'.

We do run Andy Macs reports on the site and your releases from Joss too.

[cc rider]

:innocent::innocent:
Kiwi Rider is still the best bike magazine on the planet. Particularly well written. The big bike specialist is VERY good. Witty, insightful, knows where apostrophes go. A very high 'level of writing'. In fact I'd say a genius.But can he dance!!!! :wari:

[Big Dave]

:innocent::innocent:But can he dance!!!! :wari:

And I can juggle at the same time.

[cc rider]

And I can juggle at the same time.I jiggle when I dance :laugh:

[cc rider]

You coming to Bike Bonanza Dave?

[Big Dave]

You coming to Bike Bonanza Dave?

I'm a bit out of the loop over here in Brizzy sorry - what 'tis?

[cc rider]

You may have to venture over a border or two for this one. It's a multi (bike) sport complex. So there is race track, speedway, long track, motocross, enduro, trials etc over the wknd.
Tribute to Indian 111 years old.

http://www.ma.org.au/index.php?id=12&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=6061&tx_ttnews[backPid]=6&cHash=b8d3ad8934

[Big Dave]

Cool thanks - I'll start fishing....errr angle-ing!

[cc rider]

If the finances allow it, I'll be out on the chair. :woohoo:



ps - I'm from Birssy - say hi to my mum if ya see her :D

[Big Dave]

It looks like a bit of a Burt Munro Challenge without the gales.

[cc rider]

:laugh:

It's about show casing/introducing people to different diciplines more then head down, bottom up. Which makes it a very social event. It has a friendly feel to it like Paeroa.

[Flip]

I havent brought a Kiwi Rider since we were photographed in the brass monkey issue 18 months ago. Too much sports and trail bike stuff that does not really interest me.

I do enjoy the english classic bike mags. I will buy BRM if there is some thing of interest in it. The last issue with an oil article had me sctatching my head a bit.

[cc rider]

I buy Old Bike Australasia & a classic mag if it has an article of interest.
But there's 6 to 8 different Classic bike mags out at any given time... and that's just for road bikes let alone classsic trials, motox, enduro, speedway, scooter... blah blah blaap

I need to get more oil under the nails :Punk:

[Maha]

I havent brought a Kiwi Rider since we were photographed in the brass monkey issue 18 months ago. Too much sports and trail bike stuff that does not really interest me.

I do enjoy the english classic bike mags. I will buy BRM if there is some thing of interest in it. The last issue with an oil article had me sctatching my head a bit.

We got a 'free' copy in the post yesterday...didn't everyone?...:confused:
Maybe it's a marketing ploy because sales are down?

[F5 Dave]

And yet you can be bothered expressing yourself on the interweb.
In some detail.
The porpiose of this thread is motorcyclists shooting the breeze with opinions on NZ bike mags, albeit the original poster is probably long out of the loop. I'm not trying to 'fix' KR the way I like it - I don't care enough to try.

BD yes I know you're an Aussie & also realise that any scathing comments will appear as personal criticism due to your past heavy involvement. That is unintentional, and I apologise if it seems that way. But it still doesn't change my opinion of the way the magazine has gone.

[Big Dave]

Quite predictable, the way Web forums can turn any known positive into a negative.

[merv]

Mervyn Mervyn Mervyn. The *correct* KB answer is 'I buy it because Big Dave can apostrophise'.

Nah, I really buy it because I always have, that is since it merged with NZ Motorcycle News which I subscribed to way back when. The mag has got glossier and there is more in it, but I didn't mind buying the old paper rags of days gone by either. I've never wasted money on cigarettes so I've got to spend my money on something eh :laugh:.


*falls asleep*

While you fall asleep because you blew your DR Big up the younger generation is getting on and learning to ride, on the dirt, because sure as hell they can't just start out as road riders.

[Big Dave]

GARETH MORGAN - In this, the first in an in-depth four-part investigation, Dr Gareth Morgan of MOTO NZ seeks out and analyses the statistics on motorcycles and accidents in this country.
BD: Considering the amount of posts generated on here this should be of interest to a lot of people.




FASTEST BIKE IS KIWI CREATION
Kiwis love a challenge. So it was when Richard Assen, Jason Swan and Simon Ward set about breaking a world land speed record.
KR Editor Ross MacKay has the story.
BD: Ross has won the QANTAS Motoring Journalist of the Year previously. He has tertiary Qualification, strong opinions and experience to back it up. If you don't agree with him, he's prepared to listen to reasoned argument and debate. Send a letter to the editor.




LAUNCH REPORT: BMW S 1000 RR
Still chasing success in the World Superbike Championship, BMW Motorrad has upgraded its S 1000 RR. A suitably impressed Racing Dave reports from the recent Australian launch.
BD: Dave is a regular on here and is a good cooont with vast experience. Knows how to steer them and use the right verbiage.




ROAD TEST: HONDA CROSSRUNNER – 33
Honda’s new Crossrunner is not the easiest bike to get excited about. Until you ride it. Racing Dave and the Ed explain why.
BD: Wish it was me - Very interested in that bike.




ROAD TEST: KAWASAKI W800
KR’s staffers are big fans of Kawasaki’s W800.
Now, after riding one, long-time contributor and columnist Roger Moroney is too.
BD: Roger has a big following according to our reader surveys. Lots will be interested in his take on the bike. Personally I'm still a Bonneville fan.




ROAD COMPETITION
The Classic Festival is a Pukekohe institution. But whether it can remain so is a moot point, reckons keen 2011 event spectator Michael Esdaile. We also visit the 19th annual International Island Classic at Australia’s Phillip Island circuit.
BD: Michael is the book of motorcycle racing knowledge on two legs. Historical racing facts and contacts go back to when he was the Editor of Revs. Knowledge respected on both sides of the ditch.




3IRT TEST: KTM 450 SX-F – 9D
Nick Franklin had the bike, Ben Townley the track. So new dirt tester Sam Greenslade and regular Callan May had company when they rode KTM’s latest 450 SX-F!
BD: A few creditable names there. More comment about that below.




DIRT FEATURES: JAPAN MX
The All Japan Motocross Championship is a veritable hotbed of prototype development. Hence visiting Kiwi MX fan Chris Ritchie’s interest in the last two rounds of the 2011 series.
BD: Dunno probably not me - but I'd give it a scan for the tech angle.




DIRT COMPETITION – 110
Kiwi international Ben Townley kicked off his 2012 season in style at the annual Honda Woodville MXGP in late January. We also feature the No Way in Hell extreme enduro event plus round 1 of the enduro champs
BD: The man won a World Championship. I'm cheering for him and I think it's a coup to have him in the mag.




ADVENTURE: YAMAHA SAFARI – 125
It was a case of all change for this year’s Yamaha Safari. And that wasn’t such a bad thing as Bryce Hayward reports.
BD: Probably the first story I'd read. There has been some controversy in the past.




KR KIDS: KAWASAKI KX100 – 130
Kawasaki’s KX100 could well be the ideal stepping stone between the various 85cc MX machines and adult-size 125s and 250s. We put KR Kids testers Jake Wightman and William Eyre on one to see what they thought.
BD: The kids dig it and the magazine invests in the future of the sport.




RIDDEN
Gilera Runner
BD: Like lots of people lately - since I've ridden some, I'm actually quite interested in modern Scooters.




MORONEY
BD: Accoding to our reader surveys is one the most popular contributors.




NASH
BD: A lot of people follow him and think he should write a book.




CLASSICS
Norton Commando
BD: Rhys is a legend. Been there - rode it - wrote the book. One of *my* heroes.




GASTROM RIDER
BD: I like it from a ride destination angle. Very popular with Fatt Max's crew too.




RIDING TIPS
Philip McDaid
Darren Sweetman
BD: Valued, professional experts. Very interested in what they have to say




LONG TERMER
Yamaha FZ8
BD: Can add a Harley Street Glide to that next month too. Not just a few weeks - but a few months, running them in and living with them properly. I'll work hard on it. Images and video too.


HANDY ANDY
BD: Andy McGechan *is* motorcycle sports news reporting in this country. He's been in KR 27 years.




JOSH COPPINS
Straight talking
BD: I've never met Josh, but I believe his record and reputation speaks for itself.




CHRIS BIRCH
Body position – braking
BD: I have met Chris a few times and have always been impressed with what an outright good bloke he is - and what a superlative rider he is. I'd read it just because I really like him.




LOOKING BACK
It was five, ten and fifteen years ago today!
BD: I always find that interesting.




BIKE MART
BD: There is a ton of ride and event information in there. I picked up on some good ADV rides. The services guide is handy.




NEW PRODUCTS PAGES.
BD: I skim it to see if there any new doohickeys I covet.




IF you do really think that is no good, I don't agree with you.

[Bassmatt]

GARETH MORGAN - In this, the first in an in-depth four-part investigation, Dr Gareth Morgan of MOTO NZ seeks out and analyses the statistics on motorcycles and accidents in this country.


Is it an interview with GM with real questions, or are you just allowing him a chance to spout his usual crap?

[merv]

KR does have a lot of content for sure. Now what is there in BRM that would make anyone buy it?

[Big Dave]

Is it an interview with GM with real questions, or are you just allowing him a chance to spout his usual crap?

I *think* it's an article - not an interview. I've only got the online stuff here.
But there are avenues for reply - letter to the Editor or our Facebook Page (remembering it's G Rated).

[Reckless]

Is it an interview with GM with real questions, or are you just allowing him a chance to spout his usual crap?

not his usaul crap quite unbias an favourable to us atm.
But uncomplete till we wait another 3 months for the final anaylisis!

oh and I got the sub as a present for xmas and I ride dirt so dont mind it not to bad a read??

only one bad thing tho this month??
Why they would get a KTM450 set up for FMX (high bars and big jump set up suspension) and take it to a dirt track then put MX riders on it as an evaluation of a 450sx defiies logic??? Even if it is the best international mx'er we ever produced, BT?? No one had anything really objective to say and all tried to evaluate it around the FMX riders set up, which was utterly crap for that riding, bit of a waiste of ink I thought??
Other than that probably a better read than CYCLE WORLD from the USA

[Ender EnZed]

We got a 'free' copy in the post yesterday...didn't everyone?...:confused:

I did, but it was from my insurance company.

[Maha]

I did, but it was from my insurance company.

Protecta?..:corn:

[F5 Dave]

KR does have a lot of content for sure. Now what is there in BRM that would make anyone buy it?

Well occasionally they have an article that Dr Bob has penned on suspension & I'll buy it for that alone, but I rarely check. KR had in the past but seems to have fallen from favour. I don't think I have read a technical article from an NZ journo that doesn't miss the point, however this is an increasing trend for all mags. Not everyone can be Jennings or Robinson.

[Ender EnZed]

Protecta?..:corn:

Yes.

I haven't read it yet but a high proportion of KR issues that I've read in the last few years have had articles ending mid-sentence. Which is fucking annoying.

[Big Dave]

Yes.

I haven't read it yet but a high proportion of KR issues that I've read in the last few years have had articles ending mid-sentence. Which is fucking annoying.

Yeah - that's a pain. It can happen in any magazine when the layout is changed at the last minute - if an advertiser cancels eg.
I duplicated page three in 35,000 Foodtown magazines once. (I've still got stock).
It does happen much less since Lynda has been proof reading them.

If you catch one again - let me know and I'll put it online immediately and make sure it's finished in next print.

[merv]

I don't think I have read a technical article from an NZ journo that doesn't miss the point, however this is an increasing trend for all mags. Not everyone can be Jennings or Robinson.
Yeah sounds like the hardware business too - Brights at Paremata used to stock all matter of things for a DIYer and many a time I'd buy the odd thing there that allowed me to do MacGyver type work around the house or on the bike even. Now try and find a hardware shop like that - they've all turned into basic Mitre 10 types with cheap prepackaged stuff probably all made from the highest quality materials in China.

The problem with bikes we aren't buying enough to fund the advertising, race teams etc like we were in the 70's and the mid to late 80's. So how can a mag do better, let alone when competing with info on the net.

[Oscar]

Protecta?..:corn:

That was my idea!!

[Big Dave]

That was my idea!!

So much for denial!

[merv]

So much for denial!

.... and modesty :laugh:

[Oscar]

So much for denial!

I wasnae working for the mag at the time, I was consulting.

[F5 Dave]

. . . So how can a mag do better, let alone when competing with info on the net.Research.

+ co-opting experts to write peices.

[scumdog]

Just picked up my March edition of BRM, I'm enjoying every minute of it @ $9:20 I'd BETTER enjoy every minute!

Nah, all good, enjoy it better the KiwRider.

Heavy Duty will be picked up on my next visit to my favourite bookshop.

[slowpoke]

GARETH MORGAN - In this, the first in an in-depth four-part investigation, Dr Gareth Morgan of MOTO NZ seeks out and analyses the statistics on motorcycles and accidents in this country.
BD: Considering the amount of posts generated on here this should be of interest to a lot of people.

Why is an economist/businessman writing supposed motorcycling articles? I'm intersted in his economics opinions but have no interest in what he has to say about motorcycling.




FASTEST BIKE IS KIWI CREATION
Kiwis love a challenge. So it was when Richard Assen, Jason Swan and Simon Ward set about breaking a world land speed record.
KR Editor Ross MacKay has the story.
BD: Ross has won the QANTAS Motoring Journalist of the Year previously. He has tertiary Qualification, strong opinions and experience to back it up. If you don't agree with him, he's prepared to listen to reasoned argument and debate. Send a letter to the editor.

Sounds great.


LAUNCH REPORT: BMW S 1000 RR
Still chasing success in the World Superbike Championship, BMW Motorrad has upgraded its S 1000 RR. A suitably impressed Racing Dave reports from the recent Australian launch.
BD: Dave is a regular on here and is a good cooont with vast experience. Knows how to steer them and use the right verbiage.

Old news about a bike with few changes.


ROAD TEST: HONDA CROSSRUNNER – 33
Honda’s new Crossrunner is not the easiest bike to get excited about. Until you ride it. Racing Dave and the Ed explain why.
BD: Wish it was me - Very interested in that bike.

Yawn.


ROAD TEST: KAWASAKI W800
KR’s staffers are big fans of Kawasaki’s W800.
Now, after riding one, long-time contributor and columnist Roger Moroney is too.
BD: Roger has a big following according to our reader surveys. Lots will be interested in his take on the bike. Personally I'm still a Bonneville fan.

Yawn, and to use Steve McQueen to advertise the new ones is a travesty. If cool as fuck Steve McQueen was in his prime today no way in hell would he be seen on a W800.


ROAD COMPETITION
The Classic Festival is a Pukekohe institution. But whether it can remain so is a moot point, reckons keen 2011 event spectator Michael Esdaile. We also visit the 19th annual International Island Classic at Australia’s Phillip Island circuit.
BD: Michael is the book of motorcycle racing knowledge on two legs. Historical racing facts and contacts go back to when he was the Editor of Revs. Knowledge respected on both sides of the ditch.

Yep,sounds interesting.


3IRT TEST: KTM 450 SX-F – 9D
Nick Franklin had the bike, Ben Townley the track. So new dirt tester Sam Greenslade and regular Callan May had company when they rode KTM’s latest 450 SX-F!
BD: A few creditable names there. More comment about that below.

Nup, not interested.


DIRT FEATURES: JAPAN MX
The All Japan Motocross Championship is a veritable hotbed of prototype development. Hence visiting Kiwi MX fan Chris Ritchie’s interest in the last two rounds of the 2011 series.
BD: Dunno probably not me - but I'd give it a scan for the tech angle.

Same, vaguely interested in tech.


DIRT COMPETITION – 110
Kiwi international Ben Townley kicked off his 2012 season in style at the annual Honda Woodville MXGP in late January. We also feature the No Way in Hell extreme enduro event plus round 1 of the enduro champs
BD: The man won a World Championship. I'm cheering for him and I think it's a coup to have him in the mag.

Nup.


ADVENTURE: YAMAHA SAFARI – 125
It was a case of all change for this year’s Yamaha Safari. And that wasn’t such a bad thing as Bryce Hayward reports.
BD: Probably the first story I'd read. There has been some controversy in the past.

Nup.


KR KIDS: KAWASAKI KX100 – 130
Kawasaki’s KX100 could well be the ideal stepping stone between the various 85cc MX machines and adult-size 125s and 250s. We put KR Kids testers Jake Wightman and William Eyre on one to see what they thought.
BD: The kids dig it and the magazine invests in the future of the sport.

Nup.


RIDDEN
Gilera Runner
BD: Like lots of people lately - since I've ridden some, I'm actually quite interested in modern Scooters.

Double nup.


MORONEY
BD: Accoding to our reader surveys is one the most popular contributors.

Of the few issues I've read hasn't made an impression to know the name or know what he writes about.


NASH
BD: A lot of people follow him and think he should write a book.

Same as Moroney.


CLASSICS
Norton Commando
BD: Rhys is a legend. Been there - rode it - wrote the book. One of *my* heroes.

Sounds intersting, but it's such a common article that there won't be anything we haven't heard before if you've ridden/read for a coupla years.


GASTROM RIDER
BD: I like it from a ride destination angle. Very popular with Fatt Max's crew too.

Not really intersted, won't be anywhere near me.


RIDING TIPS
Philip McDaid
Darren Sweetman
BD: Valued, professional experts. Very interested in what they have to say

Has potential depending on how it's written, what/who it's targetting and not just another countersteering article.


LONG TERMER
Yamaha FZ8
[I]BD: Can add a Harley Street Glide to that next month too. Not just a few weeks - but a few months, running them in and living with them properly. I'll work hard on it. Images and video too.

A Camry of a bike, with non-adjustable supension, on NZ's goat tracks? Why would you bother.


HANDY ANDY
BD: Andy McGechan *is* motorcycle sports news reporting in this country. He's been in KR 27 years.

Good stuff.


JOSH COPPINS
Straight talking
BD: I've never met Josh, but I believe his record and reputation speaks for itself.

Could be good, depending on how he writes and what he writes about.


CHRIS BIRCH
Body position – braking
BD: I have met Chris a few times and have always been impressed with what an outright good bloke he is - and what a superlative rider he is. I'd read it just because I really like him.

Great rider but not my cup o' tea.


LOOKING BACK
It was five, ten and fifteen years ago today!
BD: I always find that interesting.

I like this tuff too, but it will only be frustrating snippets hardly worth reading.


BIKE MART
BD: There is a ton of ride and event information in there. I picked up on some good ADV rides. The services guide is handy.

Doesn't interest me.


NEW PRODUCTS PAGES.
BD: I skim it to see if there any new doohickeys I covet.

Usually nothing special.


IF you do really think that is no good, I don't agree with you.

So at a $1/page I'm interested in it just doesn't stack up for me. Some of the articles/bikes are so boring/generic they actively counteract the good stuff, making me angry I had to pay for them. Shame, there are so many interesting characters and bikes in NZ that could be written about.

[Big Dave]

Whatever. Refer to Post #70.

I'm over this thread anyway. Oscar! - take over :-)
Might go for a ride on my test bike.
Beautiful night in Brisbane.
Mwahahahaah!<tenchars></tenchars>

[Edbear]

I buy them for the articles... :shifty:

[Taz]

Whatever. Refer to Post #70.

I'm over this thread anyway.

Toys are now being thrown out of cots. Why'd you bother anyway Dave? Just let people have their own opinion.... You're not paid to defend the magazine any more are you?

[F5 Dave]

So at a $1/page I'm interested in it just doesn't stack up for me. Some of the articles/bikes are so boring/generic they actively counteract the good stuff, making me angry I had to pay for them. Shame, there are so many interesting characters and bikes in NZ that could be written about.

Couldn't have summed it up better.


Wait for the "If you think you could do better spiel" but we're not journos & have other interests or occupations.

[Oscar]

Couldn't have summed it up better.


Wait for the "If you think you could do better spiel" but we're not journos & have other interests or occupations.

The fact is you are entitled to your opinion (however misguided).
It's also a fact that it's a well laid out and very popular publication (as are most of the other mags mentioned here). It is true that it suffers from a generalist approach, and as such is always going to be subject to criticism of the "..too much roadie stuff.." or "..too much dirt stuff.." . So it appears to be a matter of personal taste, and as I have mentioned before I don't think that KB inmates are a true reflection of the motorcycle constituency.

I am also impressed by the way that KR (which I am not a shareholder or employee of) supports grass roots events and local riders.

As for "...if you think you could do better.." KR accepts (hell, has been known to pay for) contributions from Joe Public.

[F5 Dave]

The fact is you are entitled to your opinion (however misguided).
It's also a fact that it's a well laid out and very popular publication (as are most of the other mags mentioned here). It is true that it suffers from a generalist approach, and as such is always going to be subject to criticism of the "..too much roadie stuff.." or "..too much dirt stuff.." . So it appears to be a matter of personal taste, and as I have mentioned before I don't think that KB inmates are a true reflection of the motorcycle constituency.

I am also impressed by the way that KR (which I am not a shareholder or employee of) supports grass roots events and local riders.

As for "...if you think you could do better.." KR accepts (hell, has been known to pay for) contributions from Joe Public.

Well laid out? - It's mostly adds!

Misguided huh? how patronising.

I am a Road rider as well as a Dirt biker, but I also race & have an interest in older bikes & Trials. So they should be able to hit a few bases with me. I am also a previous subscriber for at least a few years.


btw KB stats
<dl><dt>Members</dt><dd>24,890</dd><dt>Active Members</dt><dd>3,128
</dd></dl>
clearly people come & go, but I'd say that is a pretty reasonable cross section of motorcyclists. Can you name a larger one that regularly communicate on such a scale?

[Oscar]

Well laid out? - It's mostly adds!

Misguided huh? how patronising.

I am a Road rider as well as a Dirt biker, but I also race & have an interest in older bikes & Trials. So they should be able to hit a few bases with me. I am also a previous subscriber for at least a few years.


btw KB stats
<dl><dt>Members</dt><dd>24,890</dd><dt>Active Members</dt><dd>3,128
</dd></dl>
clearly people come & go, but I'd say that is a pretty reasonable cross section of motorcyclists. Can you name a larger one that regularly communicate on such a scale?


As I said - everyone is entitled to their opinion (and there is a certain irony in the way you jump to defend this site).

Ps. The "misguided" thing - it's humour. Laugh a little, you'll feel better for it.

[SimJen]

The Kiwi mags are okay, but they only really last me a couple of hours in front of the telly!
The UK ones are the best: Superbike, Performance Bikes, Fast bikes, Bike, plenty of tests of new and old stuff. I really like "Bike" lots of stuff, and some good second hand tests from time to time. They just have a good dose of humour and all the latest gear to test, as well as being able to go to an actual new model launch which is something our journo's don't really get to do.
By the time the Kiwi mags get anything its old news in these times of the internet! Although I do enjoy the odd Alan Cathcart review in the kiwi motorcycle trader....but only if I haven't already read it in a UK mag two months earlier!
Trouble is, motorcycling is such a niche market in NZ, the mags have to be very generalised and as such can feel a little bland. Not there fault!

[brett7777]

...otherwise read my old Twin Eagles!

the people who are starting the new one mentioned something about Twin Eagles, maybe they are wanting to do something somewhat similar? they were aiming to bring out the first issue on 1st April so we will see then I s'pose

[brett7777]

the people who are starting the new one mentioned something about Twin Eagles, maybe they are wanting to do something somewhat similar? they were aiming to bring out the first issue on 1st April so we will see then I s'pose

Well, sadly, 1st of April came & went & their mag didn't make it yet to the shops.
Last time I emailed them said they had hit a hump with funding.
Then I emailed them again just recently but didn't get a reply :weep:
That was after them coming & doing professional photos & recording an interview for the article.
Lookin like it might not make it to the shelves?
I sincerely hope they do get there, I know they have a dream to do it.
I guess it's a big undertaking & there must be a fair bit of investment when you put it into print.

[haydes55]

Dredge alert!

I was just at countdown perusing the bike mags, trying to decide which one to buy was a battle. Thought I'd do a search before starting a thread. But these opinions are a bit outdated now

What's everyone's favourites?

[MVnut]

Kiwi Rider mag is the best although I do buy certain issues of the other mags depending what's in them. I have every issue of KR

[Big Dave]

Toys are now being thrown out of cots. Why'd you bother anyway Dave? Just let people have their own opinion.... You're not paid to defend the magazine any more are you?

I'd forgotten the thread till I opened it.

Seeing I missed this question the first time around - better late than never.

Pffftt - 'toy chucking' - just the opposite - stopped caring.

[Big Dave]

Kiwi Rider mag is the best although I do buy certain issues of the other mags depending what's in them. I have every issue of KR

Congrats on youse extraordinarily good taste.

[pritch]

Mean dredge :-)
Regretfully (but not very) I haven't bought a local bike mag in years. Then again, I don't particularly regard that as my fault. :whistle:

[merv]

I still subscribe to KR, always have, and its the only one I've ever subscribed to.

[R650R]

Well what a dredge alright, read back to the top of this page and that was far enough.
We're lucky we have what we have, I don't buy the mags either anymore, all the news and good images are on the net before mag is even typeset.
Back in the heydays of fastbikes I had big dreams of doing something similar here so wrote letters to just about every HB mag shop asking about bike mag sales.
Surprisingly about half of them responded and the sales were not what you would expect. And that was back when the economy was a bit better and the prices weren't as silly as they are now.

As for the volume of ads, unless you have a big subscription base or high sale price you have to do it. I'd be thankful that the guys we have out there now are contributing what they are as the money for it is likely not to be great.
I'm quite lucky the industrial publications I contribute pay well (compared to the others) but its a rarity in the mag/news sector.
A lot of contributers these days are doing it free or near free for the exposure it gives them if they operate a related business which is making things even worse...

[haydes55]

Bike rider magazine was a good read. Had a few pages written by Robert Taylor which went straight over my head (but good info).

I much prefer the Aussie bike mags, loads more articles and reviews

[Gravel Man]

I have bought Kiwi Rider for almost the last 20 years & never missed a copy. Sadly I did not buy the latest issue their seems to be too many ads & crap & less that interests me. May start buying again if they sort their crap out.
Have been buying Freewheeling instead.

Cheers G M.