Speeding

[RantyDave]

I've just had my first _ever_ encounter with the Ministry of Bacon.

There's this road, see, runs over the north end of the Miramar peninsula in Wellington. Desolate, particularly during the week. Turns out it's a 50. So I'm gently rumbling along at, apparently, 82 ... get pulled over by a member of the constabulary and will be receiving a ticket for 32 over the speed limit. Which, given the desolate road and what have you, seems a bit harsh. But hey, them's the rules, right?

So - biker gets ticket, where's the news. There isn't any. Except that I'm surprised to discover exactly how badly it fucks up your day. I'm deeply annoyed now, and am becoming more annoyed as I remember our car being broken into and getting ... ummm, zilch. Or when the rear window was broken by boy racers flinging a bottle through it ... ummm, zilch. Or my scooter being nicked, and being recovered with johnny-generic-toerag actually on the thing at the time. I got, you know it, zilch.

But 82 round a coastal road on a Wednesday afternoon - $170 and 40 points.

Fucked, innit.

Dave

[Timetogo]

Easy to understand the frustration, you have my sympathy haing been thorugh simlar myself on more than one occasion for being even less over the limit. Theres many on here who have ranted at length both for and against the same sort of complaint. However in saying that as they say finding who stole your stuff doesn't pay the revenue/tax or wages of plod etc. :angry:

[judgeshock]

Thats the law, suck it in and move on.:doh:

[sels1]

Hear what you're saying mate, but not a hellava lot you can do about.
Shit happens -just let it go and dont get grumpy over it. :)

[marty]

32ks over the limit will cost you $300 and 40 demerits from memory. $170 and 20 d's is for 22 over, so 1, which one was it, and 2, count yourself lucky if it WASN"T a 50k zone.

[Lou Girardin]

There's no money in catching burglars.

[Korea]

Just think, you probably got lucky... you could have the book thrown at you for having the audacity to go 32 over the limit. :bash:
"Could be worse... it could be raining"

Hint for anyone stopped by the plod: Stick to the facts but be exceedingly humble and agreeable - if you're a prick, they'll pay you back in kind.
(and that's when you start paying, and paying, and paying...)

[madboy]

You irresponsible hooligan you. 32k over the speed limit!! OMFG, you're just trying to kill people, aren't you?! (pt)

That'll teach ya to ride a 250.

[Oakie]

32ks over the limit will cost you $300 and 40 demerits from memory. $170 and 20 d's is for 22 over, so 1, which one was it, and 2, count yourself lucky if it WASN"T a 50k zone.

Hmm.
According to the ticket I unfortunately have in my hand it's:
exceeding by not more than 10km/h = 10 demerits
11 to 20 = 20 ds
21 to 30 = 35 ds
31 to 35 = 40 ds
36 and up = 50 ds

My speed was 1km/h short of costing me 35 demerits.
I've learnt my lesson. I'm a good boy now.

[WRT]

Ok, so this isnt about speeding, but reading about Ranty's other experiences with the cops reminded me of it. And yes, I know the police are short staffed. And yes, I know there are more important things for them to worry about. But . . .

Ok, so about a year ago, a close friend of mine had her car stolen from Parnell while she was at work. There were reports of it being driven that night at around 10:30 pm through Avondale, at high speeds (well, highish, anyway - its an 80's model Laser), being driven erratically and doing burnouts etc. After that night, there was no more news about it. We all hopped in a car the next day and went round some of the "likely" streets in Avondale to see if it had been abandoned anywhere. No joy, and we decided that would probably be the last we hear about it.

So imagine my friends surprise when she is heading through Avondale about 4 or 5 days later, and spies her beloved little red Laser parked in the car park of the Avondale police station! She pulls in, parks up next to it and bounds up the the front desk - "I see you found my car!"

"We did? Err . . . "

Yup, thats right. There is was, parked up, actually on Police land, within view of the front desk apparently, and they never even knew.

Bet the pricks that left it there thought it was a hell of a funny. Much funnier than simply torching it down some quiet back alley I guess. Still, at least they returned it in one peice, minus the stereo and some CD's.

[Bartman10]

I've just had my first _ever_ encounter with the Ministry of Bacon.


But 82 round a coastal road on a Wednesday afternoon - $170 and 40 points.




You did well - last time I got caught I was doing 82 too, and I got a $300 fine.

I know how you feel though. It's a real pain in the arse. :bash:

[DMNTD]

Yep well I just screwed up too mate:doh:
92 in a 50k=50 demerits and $510 :thud:
...and all because I was sick(literally) of sucking henous smoke from the back of a 4WD.:sick: :puke:
My choice to do it...my fault but still a real c*nt as it's only a blip on the gas with the TL and I slowed up straight after I over took the 4WD too.
Sucking it up for sure...might have to to pay for this one:blink:

[Psalm42]

There's no money in catching burglars.


It depends on what there wearing, if you strip them when you catch them, throw them out the your front door naked, and sell there cloths back to them if they dont want to go home in the nud. Not forgeting to beat their home address out of them first of course.
It would be even better if you find their car keys on them, Its not like they are going to go to the cops and say the guy I was burgling stole my car and sold it.
hehe.

[zeRax]

sigh, next week i will part with $630 for 28 over no reg no wof, pricks wouldnt let me off no reg or no wof when i was testing a bike and didnt know, greedy fucks take every penny they can. god help em when i get a big bike

[Skyryder]

But 82 round a coastal road on a Wednesday afternoon - $170 and 40 points.

Fucked, innit.

Dave


Consider yourself lucky at $170 I got pinged at 27k's over and it's cost me $320.

Skyryder

[RantyDave]

Thanks for replies. Am steadily getting over it. I guess we'll see what it says when the ticket comes through.

Heh, I got home after said incident and saw a TL1000 (I think) whistle past my window at 1/2 the speed of sound and ten times noisier. Hope he got round OK...

Problem is what this means for the longer term plan to get a real bike. I guess CBTA just went out the window. On reflection I was lucky not to get whacked for "more than 70 on a learners" too.

Bugger.

That was the fun part about having a scooter. You could floor it, constantly, and never get busted for speeding :)

Dave

[Unit]

Buggar. By the looks of all these stories its not a matter of if, but when. Touch wood (is this bad karma to even post this here?) I havent had a ticket on the bike, yet. I had one in my car 14mths ago just after I'd bought it (isnt that the way). So, I carry, still, demerit points for that, which will get added to by any catch me on my bike. I dread the day I have to post my woo's here. (where's more wood....):blink:

[Sketchy_Racer]

ya know its a real shame that police will stab you for every penny you are worth when you are breaking the law- which is fair enough - right?

but where is the descretion these days?? huh!.... say i could be cruising through a school area at 3am in the morning at a safe but illegal 65kph.
now although the speed limit is 50kph i would never do that at 3pm in the afternoon when all the kids are coming out to go home cause its just silly!! i would be lucky to tap on 20 kph till im out of the zone. which is using my common sense to make the area for the kids safer to leave incase you get on the 'jumps' in front of you.
if all policemen/women could be like this it would go a long way to smooth things over between us and the police.

this is not saying that police are useless, i look up to police that work to help make this country a safer place :2thumbsup and congratulations to them

rant over

Cheers, Glenn

[Gixxer 4 ever]

this is not saying that police are useless, i look up to police that work to help make this country a safer place :2thumbsup and congratulations to them

rant over

Cheers, Glenn
I feel the same but when we have people shooting stock on the farm, and this happens once or twice a year, I call the police and get no help to apprehend the f#ckers. I have to take the guns of them and then take them to the police station. I go out on the road and bam that will three hundred dollars please. So you wounder why there is bad blood. It will be mine one day and no thanks to the local cops..........................Like you Glenn Rant over..............

[Toast]

sigh, next week i will part with $630 for 28 over no reg no wof, pricks wouldnt let me off no reg or no wof when i was testing a bike and didnt know, greedy fucks take every penny they can. god help em when i get a big bike

Amen brother...only one way to deal with it...just gotta make sure your riding can cut it too...they ain't real slow, but a 600 with a half decent rider will wax them everytime (not sure about their bikes though, never had one of them)

[Skyryder]

Amen brother...only one way to deal with it...just gotta make sure your riding can cut it too...they ain't real slow, but a 600 with a half decent rider will wax them everytime (not sure about their bikes though, never had one of them)

You might get away but if they spot the rego and you do a runner, it'll cost a hell of a lot more.

Skyryder

[avgas]

I feel the same but when we have people shooting stock on the farm, and this happens once or twice a year, I call the police and get no help to apprehend the f#ckers. I have to take the guns of them and then take them to the police station. I go out on the road and bam that will three hundred dollars please. So you wounder why there is bad blood. It will be mine one day and no thanks to the local cops..........................Like you Glenn Rant over..............
Two words.... GIN TRAPS
Stopped the fuckers comming on to our land in the middle of the night ;) - Also got the occasional possum

[Biff]

There's no money in catching burglars.

Unless you mug a burglar. But then you may get ticketed speeding away on your bike. I guess you could take a bus.:blip:

[Toast]

You might get away but if they spot the rego and you do a runner, it'll cost a hell of a lot more.

Skyryder

That's always a consideration ofcourse...the christmas tree heading for you is usually a good indication that you should put yourself out of plate spotting range.

[Zapf]

Buggar. By the looks of all these stories its not a matter of if, but when. Touch wood (is this bad karma to even post this here?) I havent had a ticket on the bike, yet. I had one in my car 14mths ago just after I'd bought it (isnt that the way). So, I carry, still, demerit points for that, which will get added to by any catch me on my bike. I dread the day I have to post my woo's here. (where's more wood....):blink:

had my spells in a fast loud red cage... lots of tickets and almost lost licence thanks to the special points they give you when you donate to govement coffers..

On a bike / cage... just make sure u don't ride 11km or more above limit... and if u ride fast just wait till u are in a group. they are everywhere....

around the mainland I was cruising at around 120kmh most of time... think I got lucky from the panniers on the bike... looks like am on tour which I was.

[vtec]

sigh, next week i will part with $630 for 28 over no reg no wof, pricks wouldnt let me off no reg or no wof when i was testing a bike and didnt know, greedy fucks take every penny they can. god help em when i get a big bike

Reading by most peoples posts, they just keep pushing and pushing, then people are going to start running.

I've never been fined on the motorbike. I've only been pulled over once, but on a big bike it would be so easy to get away. Heck even on my 250, I know so many damn walkways they'd never be able to find me. Still, I don't think I'll try it.

I'm just annoyed, cause (not the fault of the police) the crimes where there are actually victims, ie. robberies, burglaries, assault but mostly vehicular theft are dealt with in my opinion extremely softly. Also, what I see as partly the fault of police is their resource distribution. Try getting a $20,000 car stolen, and if you've got no contacts on the force, then you could only dream of it being investigated. I'm speaking from experience here. I lost $20,000 at the worst possible time in my life, only for the cops to not give a damn.

For some reason business burglaries seem to take priority over residential burglary. Figure that one out. Residential burglary is a way bigger hit to someones life. Hell, even car theft can be a huge hit, as it was in my case.

[Karma]

I'm personally of the belief that speed limits should be personalised based on the riders / drivers skill level.

Do you imagine for instance that Rossi or Schumacher riding / driving around town / on the motorways have the same skills as say, your aunt Vera? No? Then why should they be made to do the same speed?

I think that if we were to use a graduated system, whereby you took various tests to show that you could safely operate your vehicle at speeds above and beyond the rest of the population then you should be allowed to.

Basic Stage = Speed limit
Stage 2 = Speed limit + 10kph
Stage 3 = Speed limit + 20kph
Stage 4 = Speed limit + 30kph

Something like that.

[vtec]

Not a bad idea. Just a few holes.

The thing is the limit should be at the top of what is safe to do on the stretches of road that you are on. And currently the limit does not reflect that at all in most situations.

Secondly, the speed limits seem to be designed with the lowest common denominator in mind, ie. granny in her nissan sunny, the 20 tonne big rig etc. Now its all well and good to say that these should stay below the current speed limits, but I just feel stupid riding alongside a massive truck on the motorway, knowing full well that I could be going much faster and a lot safer than that truck currently is. The speed limits are a system designed by boring lifeless politicians in times when cars were shite and generally unsafe in so many ways compared to todays vehicles.

Society has wrapped itself in cotton wool in some respects, while leaving its arse hanging out the back so real crims can give it a right good rogering. I don't know if everyone's going to fully understand what I meant by that. But hey, I'm going to say it anyway.

[Karma]

Not a bad idea. Just a few holes.

The thing is the limit should be at the top of what is safe to do on the stretches of road that you are on. And currently the limit does not reflect that at all in most situations.

Secondly, the speed limits seem to be designed with the lowest common denominator in mind, ie. granny in her nissan sunny, the 20 tonne big rig etc. Now its all well and good to say that these should stay below the current speed limits, but I just feel stupid riding alongside a massive truck on the motorway, knowing full well that I could be going much faster and a lot safer than that truck currently is. The speed limits are a system designed by boring lifeless politicians in times when cars were shite and generally unsafe in so many ways compared to todays vehicles.

Society has wrapped itself in cotton wool in some respects, while leaving its arse hanging out the back so real crims can give it a right good rogering. I don't know if everyone's going to fully understand what I meant by that. But hey, I'm going to say it anyway.


See now I agree that the speed limits on most roads are far too low for people like us that can do higher speeds safely.

But I don't agree that the blanket speed limit should be raised.

It's my experience in NZ that the majority of drivers just can't drive. Consider how many posts there are on here on a weekly basis stating that so and so was driving while putting on makeup / having a ciggie / eating something / palming one off...

Now would you want these people going any faster? I'd rather have some dick in a cage travelling 50kph than that same dick doing 80kph... that's a whole lot more splat.

One blanket speed limit for all is an unreasonable system, trying to take 4million people and pretend they can all drive to the same limits is nuts.

I'd like a gold pass please, unlimited speed limits would be great.

[zeRax]

haha, well said :D "Society has wrapped itself in cotton wool in some respects, while leaving its arse hanging out the back so real crims can give it a right good rogering. I don't know if everyone's going to fully understand what I meant by that. But hey, I'm going to say it anyway."

[vtec]

I'd like a gold pass please, unlimited speed limits would be great.

Hehe, yep, would be nice, but I can't think of anyway to effectively police a system like this... Hehe, might make it unprofitable again, and they might go back to busting crims for a change.

[Karma]

Hehe, yep, would be nice, but I can't think of anyway to effectively police a system like this... Hehe, might make it unprofitable again, and they might go back to busting crims for a change.


Ah... now here comes the other part of the plan.


Would you be willing to pay... for example... $150 a year to be able to ride / drive 30kph faster than everyone else?

I would. And there's the revenue they'll lose from speeding tickets, and the coppers are now free to catch some bad guys!

Jesus man... I'm solving all of societys problems now! Next stop... religion.

[vtec]

Don't even try with religion, I had a go here, and they just won't listen to sense. I post as VTEK here.

http://www.cr-x.org/cbr250/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28530

[Karma]

I believe that religion pays a part in society, in the same way that sex, drugs and alcamahol do.

[vtec]

haha, well said :D "Society has wrapped itself in cotton wool in some respects, while leaving its arse hanging out the back so real crims can give it a right good rogering. I don't know if everyone's going to fully understand what I meant by that. But hey, I'm going to say it anyway."

I should've changed that to "so crims (and beneficiaries) can give it a right good rogering".

From what I can tell benefits are what breeds crims. I'll make a list

DPB: Kid's with no dads, seem to be severely prone to getting on the wrong side of everything.
Dole: No point working when the gubbermint will fund your crime syndicate.
Sickness: Just another name for the "Dole" for many on it, (not all) I just happen to know a few examples personally. In fact now that I think about it, everybody that I know on the sickness benefit should not be on it.

And all for the measly cost of 13 Billion of your dollars a year. Bargain... Probably up a fair bit this year aswell.

Some might say that this is a damaging generalisation about beneficiaries, and I'd agree with you. But it's about time that we made taking a benefit to be shameful, as it should be a last resort. I could say heaps more but I'm going to stop here.

[Korea]

...in times when cars were shite and generally unsafe in so many ways compared to todays vehicles.
Yeah, sure. Car and motorcycle technology has come a long way but NZ roads haven't. As they are, the roads aren't even safe enough for the current limits. Crumbly, narrow, tar snakes etc.
Still, I know I'd like to go a bit faster...

[Lou Girardin]

Some might say that this is a damaging generalisation about beneficiaries, and I'd agree with you.


So why post it?

[vtec]

So why post it?
Haha, read the rest of that paragraph for the answer. And cause I was feeling annoyed. And cause generalising saves me saying "but not all of them" after every single sentence.


Some might say that this is a damaging generalisation about beneficiaries, and I'd agree with you. But it's about time that we made taking a benefit to be shameful, as it should be a last resort. I could say heaps more but I'm going to stop here.

[Ixion]

Yeah, sure. Car and motorcycle technology has come a long way but NZ roads haven't. As they are, the roads aren't even safe enough for the current limits. Crumbly, narrow, tar snakes etc.
Still, I know I'd like to go a bit faster...

Disagree. NZ roads are imcomparably better than they were when I started riding. If we still had roads like then, there would be NO sprotsbikes around, be cause they wouldn't be able to hack the roads. Outside town centres and urban city areas ,and a few main state highways, was all gravel. Back roads, not even gravel

State Highway 1 was single lane, and narrow lane , no passing lanes, no signs for corners, most bridges were one way(or non existent - try fords folks) , noone worried about pot holes cos there were so many, and the prevalence of gravel meant that almost any corner, even on a sealed road would have gravel on it.

You young fellas don't know you're alive, with the race tracks we have nowadays.

Shit I miss those old roads !

[marty]

Disagree. NZ roads are imcomparably better than they were when I started riding. If we still had roads like then, there would be NO sprotsbikes around, be cause they wouldn't be able to hack the roads. Outside town centres and urban city areas ,and a few main state highways, was all gravel. Back roads, not even gravel

State Highway 1 was single lane, and narrow lane , no passing lanes, no signs for corners, most bridges were one way(or non existent - try fords folks) , noone worried about pot holes cos there were so many, and the prevalence of gravel meant that almost any corner, even on a sealed road would have gravel on it.



Shit I miss those old roads !


fuckin hell - you need to get out of dorkland more man!

[Ixion]

That *was* Dorkland. or where Dorkland is now, anyway

[marty]

not sure if you've noticed, but dorkland is not ALL of nz

[Karma]

not sure if you've noticed, but dorkland is not ALL of nz


THAT'S A LIE!!! :angry:

[Beemer]

You're bloody lucky to only get fined $170 - I got fined that much for doing 123kph on the Himatangi Straights, which is a 100kph zone. I find it hard to believe you thought a coastal road so close to a city would be 100kph - if I were you, I'd accept the fine and get over it, from what everyone else here is saying, your fine should have been much higher.

How do they decide the fine? I thought it was a set fine unless there were factors that added to it, like no warrant or rego, not the right class of licence, etc.

[Brian d marge]

I was busy today ,,err working and I came across this ,,,I posted it in another thread ,,but it makes interesting reading so ill post it again

check out something called the 85th percentile and see canada for common sence

Also greece I was a mechanic for a couple of years on one of the smaller Island and the young lads there had wayyyy to much testosterone ...now check the Stats for drivers 15 to 24 in NZ greece and Japan ,,.it seems like the generlisations we make about young thugby boof head boy Racers are true ...

It also seems very clear to me ,,that in order to keep the tax rate and the books in order Helen , is hiding the cost of the transport dept ,,, in Road Tax ,, eer fines ...

http://www.dma.org/~ganotedp/85th.htm (http://www.dma.org/%7Eganotedp/85th.htm)

http://www.bast.de/htdocs/fachthemen/irtad//english/we2.html

http://www.cemt.org/JTRC/

http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/publications/eng_publications/speed_review/Speed_Review_Report.pdf


http://www.bast.de/htdocs/fachthemen/irtad//index.htm


Made perfect sence to me ...I mean the better driver you are the more confident you will be AND tend to drive for the conditions ..SO will be slightly higher than other drivers ...BUT appear less in the accident reports ,,,ie SPEED doesnt kill ,,,driver road placement and Road conitions will ...

Here in japan we dont have zelous taxation ,,,and the 15 to 24 fatality per km was lower ..NZ 22 ..Japan 13 ...greece 29 ...

So Helen ,,a cheque is on its way to pay my part of the tax in oerder to fund the dept ...So I can drive normally when I come back for me holidays


Stephen

[scumdog]

I'm personally of the belief that speed limits should be personalised based on the riders / drivers skill level.

Do you imagine for instance that Rossi or Schumacher riding / driving around town / on the motorways have the same skills as say, your aunt Vera? No? Then why should they be made to do the same speed?

I think that if we were to use a graduated system, whereby you took various tests to show that you could safely operate your vehicle at speeds above and beyond the rest of the population then you should be allowed to.

Basic Stage = Speed limit
Stage 2 = Speed limit + 10kph
Stage 3 = Speed limit + 20kph
Stage 4 = Speed limit + 30kph

Something like that.

And so how is the little old lady about to pull out on the road on front of you to know not to so because you are a Stage 4 licence holder as opposed to a slower Basic Stage licence holder and therfore travelling 30kph faster???

[Toast]

And so how is the little old lady about to pull out on the road on front of you to know not to so because you are a Stage 4 licence holder as opposed to a slower Basic Stage licence holder and therfore travelling 30kph faster???

Maybe if she can't judge the speed of an oncoming vehicle she shouldn't be on the road?

Honestly though, policing this kinda system would be a mish with current technology. We'd all have to wear blue coats for stage 4, etc....

Maybe in the future cars will have little boxes that you insert your licence in to, which transmits waves identifying your class...and if the po-po gets an alert from his radar that some brother is breaching his conditions, the Santa Parade gets in to full swing.

That kinda info would probably mean that they could track our speed anywhere though...so I'm guessing that there'd be a whole lot of Big Brother kind of protests.

[wendigo]

And so how is the little old lady about to pull out on the road on front of you to know not to so because you are a Stage 4 licence holder as opposed to a slower Basic Stage licence holder and therfore travelling 30kph faster???

What the little old lady thinks or knows is utterly irrelevant. By being a stage 4 driver, I will have proved that I take situations like these into account, if you get my drift.

Mind you, this is no different from my present day to day driving when I have to take other peoples dodgy driving into account anyway.

I say bring it on. As for policing it, what's the problem? Blast by a gatso, get pinged, info downloaded to database, ticketing app takes info, looks up owner, owner is flagged as Stage 4 driver, record is rejected and deleted. As for getting stopped by pc plod on the road, simply present licence. Meanwhile all the 'standard' drivers going past can go tut tut isn't he a naughty boy, and slow down.

As for the argument that pc plod would spend to much time stopping advanced drivers, again I dissagree as most of us have long term memory, hence pc plod would in all likelyhood recognise the vehicles/drivers after 1 or 2 stops.

This idea (which is not new), though great in theory, will never ever be put into practice however, as all the bleeding hearted hand wringers will kill it. Pity.

As for Korea's (and numerous other's) comment about the state of the roads over here, here's the inside scoop boys and girls. They are actually pretty dammn good. If you want to see shit roads, try driving round some of the back roads of Wicklow, Ireland, were I come from. I drove them for 10 years, and nothing, I repeat nothing, I've come across over here comes close.

[Ixion]

And so how is the little old lady about to pull out on the road on front of you to know not to so because you are a Stage 4 licence holder as opposed to a slower Basic Stage licence holder and therfore travelling 30kph faster???

So how at present does the little old lday about to pull out on the road on front of you to know not to so because you are a full Class 6 licence holder as opposed to a slower Class 6 Learner licence holder (no forward L plates) and therfore travelling 30kph faster.

[Karma]

Maybe if she can't judge the speed of an oncoming vehicle she shouldn't be on the road?


Sounds about right to me.




Honestly though, policing this kinda system would be a mish with current technology. We'd all have to wear blue coats for stage 4, etc....


I was thinking more along the line of coloured number plates or some kinda identifier, almost like an L Plate but with numbers.




Maybe in the future cars will have little boxes that you insert your licence in to, which transmits waves identifying your class...and if the po-po gets an alert from his radar that some brother is breaching his conditions, the Santa Parade gets in to full swing.

That kinda info would probably mean that they could track our speed anywhere though...so I'm guessing that there'd be a whole lot of Big Brother kind of protests.

They're talking about doing this in the UK at the moment.

If they put GPS units in every car then they can track where you where at one point, your speed at any point, average speed, whether you were in the vicinity of any crimes etc...

The government will continue to try and fine us in bigger and ever more impressive ways :bash:

[scumdog]

So how at present does the little old lday about to pull out on the road on front of you to know not to so because you are a full Class 6 licence holder as opposed to a slower Class 6 Learner licence holder (no forward L plates) and therfore travelling 30kph faster.

She doesn't - and that problem does not raise its head TOO much at present, probably because (going by comments on this site) the "L" licence holders do not adhere to the lower speed limit (especially when the think no cop is around).

You would actually have about a 50kph speed differential what with super cautious beginners travelling slower than their limit and 'experienced' riders 'cribbing' their upper speed limit by an extra 10kph.s

Imagine the chaos on a KB ride with this fantasy licence related speed limit, - nose to tails everywhere!!

There's a whole gammut of potential problems with the idea - and I'm not even looking at the enforcement side of things.

People doing U-turns, kids using pedestrian crossings, - you name it, if it involves a variation of speed, judgement and human beings it will all end in tears!!:cry:

[Ixion]

But you already have a variation of speed, judgement and human beings on the open road. From Mr Speedy at 110kph (I'm ignoring "get you a ticket" speeds, cos that's sort of a circular argument"), through Stan at 90kph (cos his speedo says 100 ) , and Fred towing the trailer at 80kph (ocs HIS speedo says 90) , via the L plate motorcyclist legally tootling at 70kph to Mabel relentlessly plowing along at 60 kph "because that's QUITE fast enough for anyone".

Go out on a State Highway, near a country town. Watch the traffic. You already have far more than a 30kph variation.

[scumdog]

But you already have a variation of speed, judgement and human beings on the open road. From Mr Speedy at 110kph (I'm ignoring "get you a ticket" speeds, cos that's sort of a circular argument"), through Stan at 90kph (cos his speedo says 100 ) , and Fred towing the trailer at 80kph (ocs HIS speedo says 90) , via the L plate motorcyclist legally tootling at 70kph to Mabel relentlessly plowing along at 60 kph "because that's QUITE fast enough for anyone".

Go out on a State Highway, near a country town. Watch the traffic. You already have far more than a 30kph variation.

Hmm, good points, bigger vehicle not so much of a problem BUT as we all know, bikes are hard enough to see let alone judge their approaching speeds at the best of times.....

And what happens to a husband/wife team and one has a Stage4 and the other a Stage one? does one speed up or the other slow down??? decissions, decissions...

[myvice]

Want safer roads?
Ban cell phones in cars, all of them.
No TV's in cars, used to be illegal, now it isn’t?
Re-licence every 10 years.
No driving till your 18.
Restricted car licenses, 1500 or under, no turbos.
An actual driving test, in all conditions on a track where they have to drive across gravel, wet slippery areas, through tight windy placers, etc.
I would like to see min 6 months on a bike befor being allowed in a car.
So it costs you $250 to sit your learners? How bad do you want to drive?
You can add a good public transport system to the list, as that would decrease the number of the cars out there as well.
Fat chance of seeing any of this ever put into practice, so how about we re-label the NZ licensing system as random crowed control and hope we react faster than the next poor sod who ends up under a tarp on the side of a road somewhere?
:argh:

[JohnR]

Sounds about right to me.


They're talking about doing this in the UK at the moment.

If they put GPS units in every car then they can track where you where at one point, your speed at any point, average speed, whether you were in the vicinity of any crimes etc...

The government will continue to try and fine us in bigger and ever more impressive ways :bash:

Some European cars, BMW, Mercedes (including ambulances, eh speedmedic:angry: ) etc, have GPS standard.
I read awhile ago about a bloke who was ticketed while driving one of the above, contested the ticket using data from "black box", and won!
This hapened in good ol' unzud too.

[What?]

[QUOTE=myvice]Want safer roads?
...
Restricted car licenses, 1500 or under, no turbos...QUOTE]
That will work as well as the 250cc law.
Some Aussie states have a list of Learner Approved Motorcycles. This list includes things like SR500, but not TZR250's. A similar tack for cars might be, in theory, a good idea, BUT... can you imagine the size of the list of cars that fit/don't fit the bil?

[Lou Girardin]

Here's a revolutionary idea, Plod checks a biker at 125 km/h on a lightly travelled road, sees his bike is well looked after, finds out that he's been riding for 15 years and obviously has survived and decides that he doesn't warrant a ticket.

[marty]

if only you knew how often that actually happens lou. it's only the occasional one that gets posted and done to death on here. mate of mine (HP on sh1 cambridge/matamata) won't even look at bikes unless they are over 140k

[scumdog]

Here's a revolutionary idea, Plod checks a biker at 125 km/h on a lightly travelled road, sees his bike is well looked after, finds out that he's been riding for 15 years and obviously has survived and decides that he doesn't warrant a ticket.

Do that sort of thing heaps - only the last time I mentioned it I got shit from some KBer who said "hah, bloody inconsistent eh!" or something similar so now I don't bother mentioning it.

Obviously those I stop in those circumstances are either (a) discrete or (b) not members of KB as nothing ever gets mentioned. (and I'm NOT touting for praise and kudos)'

[marty]

Do that sort of thing heaps - only the last time I mentioned it I got shit from some KBer who said "hah, bloody inconsistent eh!" or something similar so now I don't bother mentioning it.

Obviously those I stop in those circumstances are either (a) discrete or (b) not members of KB as nothing ever gets mentioned. (and I'm NOT touting for praise and kudos)'

yeah but lou would have nothing to troll over. he would never try to talk his way out of 111km/h, as he wouldn't get anywhere NEAR the bleat mileage out of getting out of it!

[NC]

You can only winge when it's a $620 ticket:nono:

MrMelon and I got chased around there, he didn't catch us... You stopped because?

[Lou Girardin]

yeah but lou would have nothing to troll over. he would never try to talk his way out of 111km/h, as he wouldn't get anywhere NEAR the bleat mileage out of getting out of it!

I seldom meet cops on a professional basis. But no, I wouldn't grovel. (apparently I'm public enemy No:1 among some of the local cop fraternity, so it would hardly work) And can you imagine the schadenfraude if I were to admit getting booked.

Next?

[marty]

I seldom meet cops on a professional basis. But no, I wouldn't grovel. (apparently I'm public enemy No:1 among some of the local cop fraternity, so it would hardly work) And can you imagine the schadenfraude if I were to admit getting booked.

Next?

you think you're P E #1, but really, no-one gives a fuck. least of all any of the 5-0 on here.

[Lou Girardin]

you think you're P E #1, but really, no-one gives a fuck. least of all any of the 5-0 on here.

That doesn't explain the comments from one Motorway cop to a salesman from here.
And Spud even wanted to transfer to Auck to book me. (He seems to have got over that though)

[marty]

we all wanted to book you lou (and i'm sure spud still does), but we'd never have stooped to moving to auckland.