Doing a runner

[ScumKiller2]

The following is asked from a point of interest only. In no way to I advocate breaking the law (or lying). :blip:

I have never done a ‘runner’ myself being the honest law abiding citizen that I am. I do however wonder what strategies them coppa fullas use in the event of a biker (or a very fast car driver) doing a runner on a country road.

Is it normal for the cops to chase, radio, muster etc? Would the biker be better off just nailing it for ages, or finding a side road 5km away, or is that asking to be cornered…..If he didn’t get your licence number and he finds you sipping a filtered coffee outside a café can he still get you? Sounds like a game of chess to me…… And I’m always up for having rules explained to me….

[T.W.R]

i've been involved in a couple of runners/chases a number of years ago, me & associates being the chased. one event was rural & one city. the rural one was the best( if you could call it that!) ended up involving 3 black&whites 2 muffties, & 2 bikes (cops), my mates and i were on a high speed run, A B/W sprung us & a chase started (fuckin stupid now lookin back at it) we got road blocked at the ' PEG' ( a pub at the startof the nth motorway in CHCH) luckily (or not) my mate ( who was riding a VF1000R) was the target of porky ( he got done for speed in excess of 180kmh, apparently the cop couldn't lock the radar on him & being 1991 they weren't to flash then) 2yr loss of licence/ $1000 fine. :doh:
the city one was a beaut (5 bikes drag racing down Morehouse ave CHCH) sprung by a cop, chased eventuated ,bikes took off in seperate directions, the cop obviously called for back-up , ended with a game of cat & mouse through sydenham & phillipstown ( one bike got caught, recieved a $300 fine for dangerous use of a motorvehicle & failing to stop).:doh:

ten foot tall & bullet proof we thought we were then!, in our late teens early twenties. looking back in retrospect we were just dumb attempting what we did. ( being caught in the moment is an adrenalin rush, but it blurs your judgement ):yes:
The main thing to remember is you might think you'll get away with it, but it rarely happens, you endanger yourself & others , and as fast as you might be you'll never out-run the police radio!:nono:

[madboy]

Oh I love these sorts of topics. It's amazing to see what different views are posted by people - and the lack of understanding is frightening.

Now to get some facts clear:

1. Sportsbike will annihilate Commodore in straight line
2. Sportsbike may beat Commodore around corners
3. Radio waves travel faster than sportsbike, BUT
- there needs to be someone on the end of those radio waves in a position to stop you!
4. Sportsbike would be unlikely to beat helicopter.

There are, of course, exceptions to every rule. I don't rate my chances in the wet or on road works.

Now, for some questions for the unbelieving - how do you stop a motorcycling that doesn't want to stop? They can't use spikes, cos those will cause you to crash big time - too dangerous. They can't exactly ram you off the road (although Flyinpony(?)) might beg to differ.

From my experience, most runners involve a 15 second "pursuit" followed by a few minutes of solid effort to ensure that pursuer and pursuee never meet again. Sometimes you don't even need to up the ante over what you were doing in the first place.

[Motu]

I think the Cops look at it as why are they running? Something to hide? If you are scared of the Cops,have you got a reason?

[marty]

i've used spikes on a bike. works fine. the have a moderate leakage rate - they don't 'pop' the tyre. i've also used the bumper, the front left guard, and a 2 car sandwich. a couple have got away, but i've located more through enquiries on plate numbers and members of the public being narcs, than have actually got away scot free. remember, when you're riding like an idiot, and there's sirens, people take notice, and on 3 or 4 occasions i have been flagged down, or approached when i have stopped at an intersection to listen (amazing how effective that is) and given the rego plate by a vigilant member of the public.

[skelstar]

Did someone say 'sandwich'?

Seriously the idea of doing a runner has always intrigued me. I imagine ducking into a driveway would be an option (in country or the city), you couldnt ride like a maniac for too long otherwise you would be noticed by bystanders for quite a long time (ie what Marty said). Youd have to know the region better, and better than the pursuers too I imagine.

[madboy]

i've used spikes on a bike. ...

a couple have got away, but i've located more through enquiries on plate numbers and members of the public being narcs, than have actually got away scot free. Interesting, I was always under the impression they weren't allowed to use spikes. Oh well, more info to bear in mind then.

Agree on numberplates, all the more reason to have them taped or removed when you're out for a ride. But then I can usually put a year between myself and the cop within a matter of a few seconds, so the vigilanty factor is reduced.

Interesting also is your stats on success rates. I find it's the complete opposite in my case. I have NEVER been busted on a bike. NEVER. I'm not saying it won't happen one day, but it just hasn't happened yet. Although maybe you were a bit more selective in what you chased, rather than the goofs around here that try it on when they haven't got a hope in hell to start with.

[Jonty]

I remember a few years ago there was a gap in the law which prevented police from following you onto private property if they did not suspect you of comitting a crime. The little loophole has now been plugged! In terms of doing a runner, I think it is extremely unwise and to be honest all it will mean is that you are constantly looking over your shoulder for the next few months wondering if they got your rego or someone had Id you. If you have been speeding stop and fess up.

[DMNTD]

I think the Cops look at it as why are they running? Something to hide? If you are scared of the Cops,have you got a reason?

In the old days I did it for the rush:bash: :blink: ..yep a dumb farker I twas:yes:
In some ways I wish I did it yesterday ($510 fine:angry: ) BUT I know that it isn't worth it these days for many reasons.
Well aware that my bike could blitz their cars...no doubt at all, but a bus could blitz me if I screwed it:blank: worse still hitting a by stander and killing them.
Got to admit though an open road....hmmmm

[DMNTD]

I think the Cops look at it as why are they running? Something to hide? If you are scared of the Cops,have you got a reason?

In the old days I did it for the rush:bash: :blink: ..yep a dumb farker I twas:yes:
In some ways I wish I did it yesterday ($510 fine:angry: ) BUT I know that it isn't worth it these days for many reasons.
Well aware that my bike could blitz their cars...no doubt at all, but a bus could blitz me if I screwed it:blank: worse still hitting a by stander and killing them.
Got to admit though an open road....hmmmm.
It's them demerit points that get me...makes me think but obviously not enough:blank:

[DMNTD]

:doh: ...freaking heck :blink:

[SimJen]

If you are heading into the countryside along a road you know well and the cop decides to chase, then you've probably got a chance.
The way I look at it is, I would give it a go if the conditions were right, especially if the cop had clocked me doing possibly 50+ over the limit, then you've got nothing to lose.
I know for a fact that no other traffic cops live out my way, and I know for sure I could outrun any cop on my twisty country roads as I know every inch of them having ridden them for 20 years+
Of course I'd never try it officer! ;)

[Big Dave]

I was riding with a bloke that did a runner. Near Te Aroha.
They caught him 15 minutes later.
I'll have the Buell paid off before he rides - or can afford to - again.

You might get away with it more than once - but I reckon Stop - take the licks - or it could be a whole world of pain.

[Marmoot]

Sounds like a game of chess to me…… And I’m always up for having rules explained to me….

Don't trust these guys. Most of them have never done it either, and it would be a case of blind leading the blind.

Try it for yourself and you'll find the true answers to your questions.
Just don't blame anybody for the consequences.

Or better yet, forget about the whole issue.....

[avgas]

Few things,
a) Dont do it unless i needs to be done (dunno what thats suppose to mean - but will probably make sense when its happening)
b) Make it a breif as possible - if you still have cops within some visiable distance after 2 mins, ur fucked. Preferably you need to be 1K distance between you and then BEFORE 1min - if not your fucked.
c) Its easier to hide then run. You can never out run a radio.
d) There is a 90% chance you will crash and die
Why are the police chasing you, is it worth risking your life for it?

[sAsLEX]

I remember a few years ago there was a gap in the law which prevented police from following you onto private property if they did not suspect you of comitting a crime..

used to be they couldnt follow you onto a defence base, there is an interesting book by an army officer that tells of using this escape technique only to have a MP sitting in the cop car so they just followed him on

[marty]

If you are heading into the countryside along a road you know well and the cop decides to chase, then you've probably got a chance.
The way I look at it is, I would give it a go if the conditions were right, especially if the cop had clocked me doing possibly 50+ over the limit, then you've got nothing to lose.
I know for a fact that no other traffic cops live out my way, and I know for sure I could outrun any cop on my twisty country roads as I know every inch of them having ridden them for 20 years+
Of course I'd never try it officer! ;)

unfortunately (for you) a good number of cops live in rural cambridge, and a few of them ride those back roads often, and fast....

and it's not like there's 5 alstare 600's in cambridge to choose from :) i mean, i don't know you from a bar of soap, but i know your bike....

[number33]

Did a runner on my H1 decades ago heading from Taupo to Turangi. Cop U-turned with flashing lights near the lake front. Being 17 or 18 or so, I gassed it. H1's don't handle BTW. Hit 1.8 - 1.9 in a few places. Had the shits up the whole time. Eventually skidded to a stop and threw the bike on it's side in the roadside scrub. Lay there shaking and sweating. Cop howled past about one minute behind. Lay in the scrub till fucken dark. Slithered home nervous as hell. Didn't ride for a couple weeks after.

[2_SL0]

Im going to state the obvious, but my guess a lot LESS people here do runners than believed. I have a friend who was a policeman in Auckland for aprox 5yrs.
I quizzed him on this subject. He told me he had only been involved in one incident and the fool went into a highrise car park, then fell off the bike and was busted. I dare say it can be done, but I think your find you get caught. Your not Rossi, its not a race track and if plod dont catch u the bus turning right will.

[Motu]

People who do runners,or any other crime for that matter seem to have a very small veiw of the picture - so many other people are involved that they are usualy tracked down...it's how the Police work.I once kmew a guy who staged a fake accident on a remote road so he could claim the insurance on the car,just pushed it over a bank.But a farmer he didn't see saw him - you just don't know who else is watching...

[spudchucka]

I remember a few years ago there was a gap in the law which prevented police from following you onto private property if they did not suspect you of comitting a crime. The little loophole has now been plugged!
Section 119 Land Transport Act.

[madboy]

Im going to state the obvious, but my guess a lot LESS people here do runners than believed. ... I dare say it can be done, but I think your find you get caught. ....I'd have to disagree with you there. From my experience, it would seem that a lot more people do runners, they just don't talk about it. Not too many people openly admit to blatantly illegal acts.

I can give you dates, times and descriptions of every single runner I've been involved in on a bike. I keep those records, mainly for interests sake, but also because I have a tendency to forget when I've done them. Realistically, in the last two years, there have been only a handful of occasions. You ask the people who've ridden with me, they know that I'm always a pursuit waiting to happen. However some things you just don't say on a public forum.

A pursuit happens as a result of two individuals actions. 1, the officer decides to stop the bike. That can be because of something the bike is doing, or even as benign as a random check. 2, the biker decides to bugger off. 3, the officer then decides to pursue.

If, at anywhere in that chain of events, someone decides to do something different, then no pursuit eventuates. That's why there are so few pursuits of bikes, because someone in the chain of events makes a decision that it's not going to happen.

[T.I.E]

i was gievn some advice, via a helpful friend whom has been pursuded and also same advice from a boy in blue.
hiding is good as they are always expecting a chase and try not to turn left.
its easier turning left than right and thats what they expect.
now thats out is probably changed.
and i agree you have about 1-2 minutes otherwise your screwed.
and hiding is so much easier than running. it's amazing where you can hide.

if you see him doing a u turn duck around the corner and try a u turn and watch his expression. as your still going the other way.

[SimJen]

unfortunately (for you) a good number of cops live in rural cambridge, and a few of them ride those back roads often, and fast....
and it's not like there's 5 alstare 600's in cambridge to choose from :) i mean, i don't know you from a bar of soap, but i know your bike....

True my bike is easy to spot, but they'd have to catch me & prove it was me first ;) Its not like i'd actually bother running, its just that if conditions were right I'm sure I could (and I like to think I could get away).
Also i've never seen a cop bike in my area of rural cambridge, so if it was only commodes/falcoons they were using then it'd be too easy although a heavy cop bike isn't the fastest thing in the world either.
Radio's only work if you have someone the other end in the right place, not likely to happen in remote rural areas.....although it would be just my luck if they did :(
I have a few detectives in plain clothes vehicles living out my way, some of them I've even raced in my car (before I sold it), they are crazy drivers but not that fast. And obviously pretty cool guys.

[vtec]

Here's another idea. Not speaking from experience, cause I've never done a runner, or even been fined on a bike. But there are numerous walkways around Auckland, and heaps in my area, you wouldn't even need to speed to get away. Just dawdle along with the police behind, until you get to the nearest unbarred walkway, and go through it. Then nail it once you get out on the other side.

[SimJen]

Or to be really different, you could carry a container of Latex paint with you at all times. You need to escape and hide, then quickly paint your bike with said Latex paint, blow on it to dry, then cruise off in the direction you came from.......voila, a crap painted bike, no ticket and hours needed to peel it all off.

[Lou Girardin]

Don't forget to carry a change of kit too, different helmet, jacket etc. Some stage make-up wouldn't go astray, they'd never suspect a white guy in black face.

[Goblin]

[QUOTE=T.I.E]i was gievn some advice, via a helpful friend whom has been pursuded and also same advice from a boy in blue.
hiding is good as they are always expecting a chase and try not to turn left.
its easier turning left than right and thats what they expect.
now thats out is probably changed.

I have heard this too, if you are doing a runner, take the second on the right cos they expect you to take the first left. I think hiding would be the best bet.
I unintentionally did a runner the first day I had my Impulse. Was working as a car detailer and had washed my new toy so decided to dry it out by going for a spin. Roared off up the road and decided to see what I could get out of it so went up the Dansey rd and opened it up on the straight. It went rather well for a wee 400. Slowed down to do a U-turn and head back to work. Well a muffty cop was in HOT persuit and waved me down and jumped out of his car and he was all worked up. His manifold was so hot it was pinking as it cooled. He had a female collegue in the passenger seat and when I took my lid off she nearly pissed herself laughing. They thought I was doing a runner so had called for back-up and wouldnt let me off. I had no idea they were even behind me(forgot to clean the mirror) Cost me $400 and some demerits.
I also did a runner on an FJ1200 with the owner on the back.:blink:

[2much]

Probably would given the right senario. However, only time I've been pulled over on a bike was riding a mate's Bonnie......... not exactly the greatest get away vehicle!

[marty]

True my bike is easy to spot, but they'd have to catch me & prove it was me first ;) Its not like i'd actually bother running, its just that if conditions were right I'm sure I could (and I like to think I could get away).
Also i've never seen a cop bike in my area of rural cambridge, so if it was only commodes/falcoons they were using then it'd be too easy although a heavy cop bike isn't the fastest thing in the world either.
Radio's only work if you have someone the other end in the right place, not likely to happen in remote rural areas.....although it would be just my luck if they did :(
I have a few detectives in plain clothes vehicles living out my way, some of them I've even raced in my car (before I sold it), they are crazy drivers but not that fast. And obviously pretty cool guys.

actually, you have to prove it wasn't you. and there is excellent radio coverage on the south waikato channel (off sanatorium hill). and you'll never see a police bike, but the HP/STU guys know the back rds pretty well, especially how they link up with the other end, and the invariable HP/STU car working at that end.....

and D's don't give a toss anyways....

[SimJen]

Whatever but I can guarantee they don't know the roads by my house as good as I do!
You never see patrol cars up there whether weekdays or weekends, so I seriously doubt they know them at all.....

[Lou Girardin]

Actually they have to prove he committed the offence. He has to identify the rider if he claims it wasn't him.
Yeah, I know it's pedantic. But the law's the law.:yes:

[2_SL0]

I'd have to disagree with you there. From my experience, it would seem that a lot more people do runners, they just don't talk about it. Not too many people openly admit to blatantly illegal acts.

I can give you dates, times and descriptions of every single runner I've been involved in on a bike. I keep those records, mainly for interests sake, but also because I have a tendency to forget when I've done them. Realistically, in the last two years, there have been only a handful of occasions. You ask the people who've ridden with me, they know that I'm always a pursuit waiting to happen. However some things you just don't say on a public forum.

A pursuit happens as a result of two individuals actions. 1, the officer decides to stop the bike. That can be because of something the bike is doing, or even as benign as a random check. 2, the biker decides to bugger off. 3, the officer then decides to pursue.

If, at anywhere in that chain of events, someone decides to do something different, then no pursuit eventuates. That's why there are so few pursuits of bikes, because someone in the chain of events makes a decision that it's not going to happen.

Clarify doing a runner, I see it as police car in pursuit lights on, you on the bike fully aware and attempting to escape.
The other side of the coin is you riding along ( a little over the limit, hehehe)
come round a corner and ooops Mr Plod, you dont hang around. You GAS IT.
But did the police car turn around or not, your never know. My guess is he weighed up the time it would take to turn around and decided not worth the effort. (No Offence to Mr Plod). But you believe you have just masterminded the greatest escape. Whether or not the Plod was actually aware he was suposedly in pursuit.
I imagine most people do the old evasion trick, but I dont refer to that as "doing a runner". Its more a "hide and seek"

Oh and if you keep your own records, (great idea by the way) you proberly should video these moments as well. Just for your own record of course.

[**R1**]

Yeah I had a mate the coppers used road spikes on, he got off (just) coz it was demed(sp) excesive use of force...but this was years ago when fireblades were fast....

IMO if the chase is going to last more than seconds ie 30secs(is a life time when ya being chased) then ya best to give up!

I got chaced back from Akoroa a while back, not good when there aint farkal roads to take, looseing the copper was easy, but wondering where the next one was....now that SUCKS, then on my return to town i was a nervous wreck tring to get home un-noticed by the 5 oh..

And turning left once out of sight is a good idea, but I wouldnt plan your whole get away around it...cops are stupid at times but they aint dumb...

[madboy]

Clarify doing a runner, I see it as police car in pursuit lights on, you on the bike fully aware and attempting to escape.If the lights come on, it's a runner.

Now "attempting to escape" is where there may be some confusion. You see, I'm heading down said road at 220km/h, intending to sit on this speed for a while until I reach a certain point, then I slow down (moderately) for the final kilometre or so until I reach my destination. Now this was the plan before any flashing lights were involved. So if flashing lights do become involved, and you continuing travelling at the speed and in the manner that you were intending to travel at had the flashing lights not been activated and by the fact of power/weight, local knowledge, madness, whatever, said flashing lights never catch up with you... but no deliberate evasive action was taken in addition to what your intentions were to start with...

Is that a runner?

And Aaron, had a run in on SH1 one day with HP, didn't want to deviate from where I was off to, so just wound it on, left it there for a few minutes, scared the shit outta myself wheelying at 250k, thought oh well, bettered to get rodgered by baton than fence, buttoned off and sat at 110km/h. Never saw anyone else of interest. Never deviated from SH1. But talk about nervous!!!!

[2_SL0]

Is the moon made of cheese? Is the world flat? Will Winja ever get his roof painted?

[justsomeguy]

Few things,
a) Dont do it unless i needs to be done
b) Make it a breif as possible - if you still have cops within some visiable distance after 2 mins, ur fucked. Preferably you need to be 1K distance between you and then BEFORE 1min - if not your fucked.


a) Yeah - if you're well over the 50 limit.....

b) Make that 1 min... actually 30 secs.

Then you can pull the - Oh sorry didn't even know you were following me excuse..... if he's still behind you after a minute you better have a very common bike and no plates and no fear.... or just bloody stop.

Be polite, respectful and they may downgrade the charges......although it's like losing your virginity....... you can only do it once.... then you have a history.

[justsomeguy]

[quote=T.I.E]
I have heard this too, if you are doing a runner, take the second on the right cos they expect you to take the first left. I think hiding would be the best bet.

Really are you supposed to have that much time???

[Mattyc]

A mate did a runner all the way down the north western a few years back on a nsr 250 (no license,wof, reg) he got off the motorway and caned into an industrial area, and laid the bike down in a long grassy vacant section , he thought he was safe until sold old guy flagged the cops down and told them there was some dude lying in the long grass.

I was going up manurewa hill one night on my old gixxer 400 and saw a maroon commie behind me, i was doing like 120, he looked like he wanted to have a bit of a race so i slammed it down to 4th and nailed it got to 160kmh before he flicked his lights on, i considered running, but then figured it aint worth it, pulled over and ended up loosing my license for 30 days, i didnt bother going to court and rung the court 3 months later , only to find i only lost the license for 30 days and i had been not riding or driving for three months ! FAK!!!

Bottom line is - would you rather loose your life or license ?:doobey:

[zeRax]

see slimjen, i had the idea of riding all the time with thin clip on fairings panels that just clip onto ur existing panels, duck in somewhere, take em off, toodaloo
. polar opposite color so they are looking for a completely different bike, misdirection is the answer i think.

i also had an idea of having a cut off switch for the brake light so u could stealth away. mate of mine stealthed it in his skyline, worked a charm, dodgy wtih lack of lighting thou

[justsomeguy]

i also had an idea of having a cut off switch for the brake light so u could stealth away. mate of mine stealthed it in his skyline, worked a charm, dodgy wtih lack of lighting thou

Any progress on the idea??? Just curious of course.

[zeRax]

well im assuming all u need to switch is cut a wires connectivity and hence, brake light no worky, anyone else know if its more envolved than that :O? , very easy to do either way i imagine, would work a treat too imo

[Goblin]

[quote=Goblin]

Really are you supposed to have that much time???

Well...no, there's no time when you're doing a runner.....not that I would know as I stop if I see blue lights flashing behind me....well, normally.

[number33]

Of course you ride with no lights. What do people think this all is? Kindergarten? White lines you follow.

[sAsLEX]

actually, you have to prove it wasn't you.
ah the guilty until proven innocent! love that justice

[cowpoos]

my twisty country roads as I know every inch of them having ridden them for 20 years+


your 30yrs old arn't u?

[justsomeguy]

Of course you ride with no lights. What do people think this all is? Kindergarten? White lines you follow.

Ya - but some bikes are hard wired on..... so those bikes need a switch to disable ALL lights.

[SimJen]

your 30yrs old arn't u?

Well actually 31 1/2 years old.
Been riding both dirtbikes and roadbikes on them for years....long before I had my licence and long before anyone seemed to care.

[Ducman]

I was on the Riverhead road once pottering through the village when a couple of bikes passed me.. doing the speed limit through town, as most of us do regardless of how fast we ride on the open road. Just after they past me a mufti cut off the back guy and pushed him into the curb causing him to crash!. They obviously weren't doing a runner. I put it down to an over zealous wanker that isn't able to assess a situation and act appropiately. The poor guy didn't even know he was behind him until he was knocked off his bike!

[Korea]

...a mufti cut off the back guy and pushed him into the curb causing him to crash!.
Dude that sucks! Please Mr. Officer I give up, just don't kill me!

Long ago on a quiet Saturday morning, I was blasting along Jervois Quay in Welly on my way to WMC when some guy in a dark jacket runs out from under the bridge, right in front of me and waving like a lunatic. WTF??? I dodged around him shaking my head. Crazy bugger.
Got into the scooter centre, when someone says:
"Hey, did you see the cop with the radar under the bridge?"
"Huh???"
I had inadvertently evaded the police - his disguise as a raving lunatic with a death wish was just too good!

[Unit]

In the old days I did it for the rush:bash: :blink: ..yep a dumb farker I twas:yes:
In some ways I wish I did it yesterday ($510 fine:angry: ) BUT I know that it isn't worth it these days for many reasons.
Well aware that my bike could blitz their cars...no doubt at all, but a bus could blitz me if I screwed it:blank: worse still hitting a by stander and killing them.
Got to admit though an open road....hmmmm
Im too much of a nanna to ever go there, but hey, its great to read everyone elses stories. Guess I would consider it IF I thought my bike might be taken off me, that would cause me to react:blank:

[froggyfrenchman]

Done it a few times. The stress for the next few weeks, wondering if he got your rego is just hell!

[Broomie]

Never done it, well not deliberately anyhow. Have been stopped/booked for … just about everything from careless use to dangerous speed over the years,
First bike was Yamaha R5 (a proper bike) at age 16, had a tweaked 900 by age 19, stopped riding on the road at 38,
now I’m back on a race track … racing those silly little bikes (but at least it’s bloody fast) I’m not as fast as I used to be, but I won’t own a road bike again, life can humble you, I’ve lost friends to wooden boxes, close friends …. Even a pillion

My point … death, all these stories are cool to read and all that … and I still love bikes, BUT

You, on a bike are vulnerable … believe me

[justsomeguy]

You, on a bike are vulnerable … believe me

A friend of mine likes to say -

In a car it's metal wrapping around flesh. On a bike it's flesh wrapping around metal.:blink:

[SPORK]

A friend of mine likes to say -

In a car it's metal wrapping around flesh. On a bike it's flesh wrapping around metal.:blink:
Really it's Animal wrapping around Flesh wrapping around Plastic wrapping around Metal.

[KLOWN]

I have done four or five runners before, all in cars, and have gotten away with all. I don't think I would ever do it on a bike though as i'm just a learner and im not 16yrs-18yrs old anymore. I would only do it if coppa was heading towards me and saw him put his lights on and turn around, then would drive fast as i could for about five minutes then park and run for it.