Bike Reliability Survey

[Drum]

My apologies if this has been posted previously.......

English motorcycle magazine, Ride, has published their survey results amongst 10,000 motorcyclists in the United Kingdom in this month's (MAY 2005) publication.

The motorcyclists were asked how reliable their motorcycle is. Results:

1. BMW (90%)
2. Honda (89.2%)
3. Yamaha (85.5%)
4. Triumph (84%)
5. Suzuki (83.2%)
6. Kawasaki (82.8%)
7. MZ (81.3%)
8. Harley-Davidson (80.1%)
9. Aprilia (77.1%)
10. KTM (74%)
11. Buell (72.2%)
12. Cagiva (70.5%)
13. Ducati (69.1%)
14. Moto Guzzi (68.8%)
15. CCM (63.8%)

[Drum]

Now to just sit back and wait for the defensive posts

[2much]

My apologies if this has been posted previously.......

English motorcycle magazine, Ride, has published their survey results amongst 10,000 motorcyclists in the United Kingdom in this month's (MAY 2005) publication.

The motorcyclists were asked how reliable their motorcycle is. Results:

1. BMW (90%)
2. Honda (89.2%)
3. Yamaha (85.5%)
4. Triumph (84%)
5. Suzuki (83.2%)
6. Kawasaki (82.8%)
7. MZ (81.3%)
8. Harley-Davidson (80.1%)
9. Aprilia (77.1%)
10. KTM (74%)
11. Buell (72.2%)
12. Cagiva (70.5%)
13. Ducati (69.1%)
14. Moto Guzzi (68.8%)
15. CCM (63.8%)

Bullshit! (10 characters)

[WINJA]

Bullshit! (10 characters)
+1 , THOSE TRUMPETS LOOK LIKE THEY BEEN PUT TOGETHER BY BLIND ATHRITIC CHIMPS USING ROCKS FOR TOOLS AND FAECES FOR PARTS

[marty]

apparantley you get 10 years if you use feaces

[marty]

and what is it a % of? people who could be fucked responding? number of times they fell asleep while riding? the number of trips out of 100 they could make without it breaking down? the number of runners they did vs number of times they got caught?

[2much]

+1 , THOSE TRUMPETS LOOK LIKE THEY BEEN PUT TOGETHER BY BLIND ATHRITIC CHIMPS USING ROCKS FOR TOOLS AND FAECES FOR PARTS

Hey. you work at Hinkley??? That's sooooo cool!!! lol

[WINJA]

Hey. you work at Hinkley??? That's sooooo cool!!! lol
YEAH I DO , CRACKING THE WHIP OVER YOUR FAMILY

[vtec]

Hmm, I notice all the japper's are right up there... even Kawasaki, I always felt Kawasaki was the least reliable of the jappers, but it seems fairly close to the rest. Good to see.

But hmm, I'm wondering about the accuracy of this survey. From what I've heard Harley's are mostly for show, because they don't like to go. So I'd have thought they'd be right at the bottom.

[2much]

YEAH I DO , CRACKING THE WHIP OVER YOUR FAMILY

Sounds just like 'planet of the apes'

[Karma]

Well we Brits just tend to put up with things when they go wrong so the survey will be flawed to start with.

Then there's the weather difference, colder and wetter for more than here, and therefore fewer riding hours.

Bears'll believe anything man.

[What?]

One would have to assume that the Triumphs are Hinckley, not Meriden, and the Hogley's are '84 onwards...

How old are you, vtec? Kawasaki and Honda practically invented relaiability (Z900 & CB750). As for H-D, a bloke I know has put over 100,000 miles (that's 160,000Km+) on each of two Hogley Dogley's he has owned and, outside of servicing, never laid a spanner on either of them. On the other hand, another bloke I know had an AMC Hogley...:thud:

[Lou Girardin]

BMW at the top?
Despite the problems with diffs, ECU's, cams.
This survey seems to be self-delusion.

[Bartman10]

Moto Guzzi - 68%? You're kidding, right?

More like they break down after every 68 k's and need an entire rebuild. :doh:

[Divot]

Why do people knock HD so much? Ah they can't have one so they are crap. Get a life or a job!

Had mine for 2 1/2 years and 42500 km, the only problems I have had were my own doing.

[SimJen]

Why do people knock HD so much? Ah they can't have one so they are crap. Get a life or a job!

Had mine for 2 1/2 years and 42500 km, the only problems I have had were my own doing.

Most just get a bike instead ;)
Each to their own I suppose......not my cup of tea but Im partial to good workmanship on a chopper :)

[Divot]

What I mean is that aren't we all Motorcycle riders. I owned many hondas early in my life, road and dirt. I love honda bikes. The usual happened, got married and had kids, slod the bikes (couldn't that the kids). I now own a Harley which I realy enjoy riding and the social side is great. :banana:

I dont and wont throw crap at people for owning a Duke or any other bike, at least they enjoy their bike and the thrill of riding. Why are there people out there that do nothing but shit on other motorcycist????:bash:

[geoffm]

Hmm, my BMW has cost me a hell of a lot more than the Japanese bikes I have had, with the exception of the RG500, which were a handgrenade with the pin pulled from new.
A lot of it depends on individual models. BMW made their reputation with the air cooled boxer motors. Basically the same technology as a souped up Briggs and Stratton, not much to go wrong and easy to fix. Beemers never made much power anyway, and are well overbuilt, so there is not much stress on the engine.
I would still say that the Japanese are the best motor and production engineers in the world, bar none. They actually make an effort to squash the bugs in designs during the lifecycle of the model. Nice to see the Italians mantainng their reputation..
Is CCM the Chinese made bikes (scooters and small trailbikes)? Doesn't inspire me to buy one, even though they are cheap.
Geoff

[James Deuce]

CCM is an English company, run by Michaela Fogarty. Well it was. It's gone broke again. They made Dirt and Motard chassis with tasty componenets and other people's engines.

[SimJen]

CCM is an English company, run by Michaela Fogarty. Well it was. It's gone broke again. They made Dirt and Motard chassis with tasty componenets and other people's engines.

Michaela was the PR Manager I thought, seems Motards are very highly strung so they aren't the most reliable machines.

[SimJen]

What I mean is that aren't we all Motorcycle riders. I owned many hondas early in my life, road and dirt. I love honda bikes. The usual happened, got married and had kids, slod the bikes (couldn't that the kids). I now own a Harley which I realy enjoy riding and the social side is great. :banana:

I dont and wont throw crap at people for owning a Duke or any other bike, at least they enjoy their bike and the thrill of riding. Why are there people out there that do nothing but shit on other motorcycist????:bash:

A lot of time its done in fun, but brand loyalty is a funny thing and makes people say stupid things.
I was always a Honda man, but things change.
Motorcycling is motorcycling no matter what bike you ride.....

[Lou Girardin]

What I mean is that aren't we all Motorcycle riders. I owned many hondas early in my life, road and dirt. I love honda bikes. The usual happened, got married and had kids, slod the bikes (couldn't that the kids). I now own a Harley which I realy enjoy riding and the social side is great. :banana:

I dont and wont throw crap at people for owning a Duke or any other bike, at least they enjoy their bike and the thrill of riding. Why are there people out there that do nothing but shit on other motorcycist????:bash:

Insecurity.
Or piss-taking.

[James Deuce]

Michaela was the PR Manager I thought, seems Motards are very highly strung so they aren't the most reliable machines.

Nope, Managing Director.

http://www.ccm-motorcycles.net/

I was wrong they're back. The CLews family have bought it back and have started production again. They appear to have expunged the Fogarty connection from the company history too.

[SimJen]

Not necessarily a bad thing....

[Coyote]

Wouldn't take that survey very serious. KTM for example mainly make performance machines that most owners will run fairly/very hard so obviously something is going to break, whilst BMWs and Harleys normally have people who take care of them, regulary service them and don't run them all that hard as the only cruise around on them. The brands are being unfairly compared. If it were a specific type of bike such as sports tourer or motocross bike, then the brands could be compared a bit more fairly as most of the bikes will be treated the same

[tracyprier]

(singing) Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles ! ;)

[Lou Girardin]

Bloody hell! He'll be singing 'Horst Wessell' next.

[Bonez]

Why do people knock HD so much? Ah they can't have one so they are crap. Get a life or a job!

Had mine for 2 1/2 years and 42500 km, the only problems I have had were my own doing.Unfortunately I don't have a set of suitable spanners. Oh and they don't have a main stand. :shake: Another thing- EVERY make gets mocked here not just HD.

[fishb8nz]

Costs a sight less than a BMW and you get 0.8% less reliability. No brainer, really. Cheaper spares and more dealers. Probably Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki make the ownership costs lower, too.
Being a BOF (boring old fart), not needing dirty fingernails and a cellphone for recovery count for a hell of a lot.

[pritch]

Bloody hell! He'll be singing 'Horst Wessell' next.
Good one, although it may fly a bit high here :-)

[pritch]

Unfortunately I don't have a set of suitable spanners.

Ahhh I have those ones, and the Brit ones. It was the metric stuff I had to buy recently, not that I plan on doing much with them. (Said he hopefully)

[Bonez]

Ahhh I have those ones, and the Brit ones. It was the metric stuff I had to buy recently, not that I plan on doing much with them. (Said he hopefully)Hope ya do too. A freind in Wellywood has a Hornet and seems happy with it. A cuzy of mine over in Aus has and early Evo HD. Last I heard it had 300,000kms up with only minor top end work.

[Unit]

Arent these survey results reflective of which group lied the most?:blink:

[avgas]

Where are the URALs and Jawa's........ most of them have done a million miles with no complaints....... Oh yeh the UK dont get em.
As for the HD bashing - took honda 20 years to figure out that reverse firing was good...... HD had it since wheels were round

[Bonez]

Where are the URALs and Jawa's........ most of them have done a million miles with no complaints....... Oh yeh the UK dont get em.
As for the HD bashing - took honda 20 years to figure out that reverse firing was good...... HD had it since wheels were roundThat would be explain why HDs appear to be going backwards................................ :blink: