NW Motorway - Auckland [Archive]

Swoop

11th November 2005, 07:29

Divot

11th November 2005, 07:40

The marked utes on the motorway are driven by non sworn members of the police.

WRT

11th November 2005, 08:18

redbaron36

11th November 2005, 08:25

Bloody hell, why don't they go and solve some of those unassigned crimes for once, combining the traffic officers and polce back in the late 80's has not worked in my opinion.

Divot

11th November 2005, 08:26

My understanding is that in the marked utes for "motorway support" are unsworn officers and are unable to issue tickets. Meaning that they need to wait for a sworn officer to come along and book you.

Is this correct?

They are warranted enforment officers that give them the power to stop you and request deatils, the same power as a cop. They can issue stationary offence notices, Parking, tyres condition, etc. Offen a sworn member will back them up and issue a Offence notice.

enforcement officer means—
(a) a sworn member of the police:
(b) a non-sworn member of the police who is authorised for
the purpose by the Commissioner of Police:
(c) a person who is appointed to that office by warrant
under section 208 of the Act or who holds that office by
virtue of the Act

Swoop

11th November 2005, 08:29

My understanding is that in the marked utes for "motorway support" are unsworn officers and are unable to issue tickets. Meaning that they need to wait for a sworn officer to come along and book you.

Is this correct?
Sounds right. I had to give assistance to one wrestling with a 1M (mental) late one night on the side of the motorway and he couldn't cuff him 'cause he wasnt sworn... I was getting to the stage of "give me the fu**ing cuffs and I'll do it when 2 :Police: units showed up (then proceeded to stand around doing fuck all while this nutter was fighting to get away...:tugger: ).
I recon I have a credit owing that was not utilised on the last speeding fine!!!
In future I might consider having to leave them to it...:bash:

Divot

11th November 2005, 08:39

Sounds right. I had to give assistance to one wrestling with a 1M (mental) late one night on the side of the motorway and he couldn't cuff him 'cause he wasnt sworn... :

Thanks for that Swoop. I am one of those Support Officers. Just off work now for 2 1/2 months. Changing a wheel for some guy ant ripped my bicep tendon of the bone Me standing there in pain and the guy carried on changing his wheel and pisses off. Surgury 5 weeks agon and not allowed to ride my bike for three months. Bugger.

SARGE

11th November 2005, 09:04

Sounds right. I had to give assistance to one wrestling with a 1M (mental) late one night on the side of the motorway and he couldn't cuff him 'cause he wasnt sworn... I was getting to the stage of "give me the fu**ing cuffs and I'll do it when 2 :Police: units showed up (then proceeded to stand around doing fuck all while this nutter was fighting to get away...:tugger: ).
I recon I have a credit owing that was not utilised on the last speeding fine!!!
In future I might consider having to leave them to it...:bash:

what is the opinion of the officers on here, re: civilian help when they are fighting a scumbag and getting a hiding?.. would we be able to assist or would we be booked for assault afterwards?

i jumped in one night to help an American cop outside a bar i worked in.. he had pepper sprayed this douchebag and they guy kept fighting..he was obviously outmatched. i jumped in and helped subdue this guy and got cuffed for " interfearing with an officer.. blah blah.."

ManDownUnder

11th November 2005, 09:10

what is the opinion of the officers on here, re: civilian help when they are fighting a scumbag and getting a hiding?.. would we be able to assist or would we be booked for assault afterwards?

i jumped in one night to help an American cop outside a bar.. he had pepper sprayed this douchebag and they guy kept fighting..he was obviously outmatched. i jumped in and helped subdue this guy and got cuffed for " interfearing with an officer.. blah blah.."

"you want help?"

"was that a yes?"

"are you sure?"

"... hang on - I'll find someone...":doh:

I think there'd be a difference between jumping in the middle to have a punch up, or standing in defence of another... surely... but where does that line lie?

Anyhoo - yes there is a revenue colection focus on the NW and SH16 at the mo. unmarked cars, more bikes, cameras out and about. No biggie - just another example of "riding to the conditions". They teach that in the road code although I don't think ticket avoidance is what they had in mind.

geoffm

11th November 2005, 09:14

what is the opinion of the officers on here, re: civilian help when they are fighting a scumbag and getting a hiding?.. would we be able to assist or would we be booked for assault afterwards?

Well, the cops tell us not to fight back, give them whatever they want, lie back and think of England, and let the professionals sort it out. So, following their advice, stand back, open the popcorn, and let them deal with it. There have been to many cases where dealing with the scumbags is a ticket to legal trouble. Even if you walk, I for one can't afford $50,000 in legal fees.
Geoff

geoffm

11th November 2005, 09:15

what is the opinion of the officers on here, re: civilian help when they are fighting a scumbag and getting a hiding?.. would we be able to assist or would we be booked for assault afterwards?

Well, the cops tell us not to fight back, give them whatever they want, lie back and think of England, and let the professionals sort it out. So, following their advice, stand back, open the popcorn, and let them deal with it. There have been to many cases where dealing with the scumbags is a ticket to legal trouble. Even if you walk, I for one can't afford $50,000 in legal fees.
If they wonder why people won't help, the top brass need look up the bit about "sowing and reaping".
Geoff

marty

11th November 2005, 09:22

Be careful on the North Western! There seems to be a good deal of :Police: about. Saw a biker following a bus in the bus lane who then went past a marked ute... (obvious outcome...) THEN a plainclothes commode comes racing up and so we have 2 cops + 2 cop cars for 1 biker...
There obviously isn't much crime about these days to keep them busy...
Take care out there!

with all the talk of bikes doing runners, is it a surprise?

Bloody hell, why don't they go and solve some of those unassigned crimes for once, combining the traffic officers and polce back in the late 80's has not worked in my opinion.

yup - definately. take the 2000-odd traffic cops back out of the frontline policing. give them dedicated traffic jobs. don't tie them up with time wasting jobs like shoplifters, burglary cordons, domestics etc. would give them heaps more time to be out on the road pinging us. and who's going to replace the 2000 cops taken for DEDICATED traffic duties? Aaron and Winja?

be careful what you wish for. obviously you were never dealt with by the black and white minstrels....

James Deuce

11th November 2005, 09:43

with all the talk of bikes doing runners, is it a surprise?

Hahahaha!! That's funny Marty. You expect motorcyclists to put 2 + 2 together? Hahahahahaa

"I can say what I like and no one can touch me. Yea, fuck the man"

Hahahahahaaa.

I am so going to piss myself laughing when they drop the speed limit of the road between Martinborough and Gladstone to 80km/hr, and the East-West access road to 90km/hr and all the KBers who went , "blah blah blah Motorcycles have a much broader performance envelope and can perform moves that make car drivers think we're dangerous, they have no idea", start wondering why that happened.

Post on a public forum today, increased Police activity tomorrow. Conspiracy or Affirmative Action Policing?

Swoop

11th November 2005, 10:01

Thanks for that Swoop. I am one of those Support Officers. Just off work now for 2 1/2 months. Changing a wheel for some guy ant ripped my bicep tendon of the bone Me standing there in pain and the guy carried on changing his wheel and pisses off. Surgury 5 weeks agon and not allowed to ride my bike for three months. Bugger.

Hey Divot, hope that arm gets better soon so you can get back on your bike. It caught me by surprise finding out about non-sworns at that exact moment... Passers by should be able to confidently stop and assist someone in blue needing help.

Divot

11th November 2005, 10:05

You know last year more pedrestians were killed on the motorway than people in/on motor vehicles.

Swoop

11th November 2005, 10:06

what is the opinion of the officers on here, re: civilian help when they are fighting a scumbag and getting a hiding?.. would we be able to assist or would we be booked for assault afterwards?

i jumped in one night to help an American cop outside a bar.. he had pepper sprayed this douchebag and they guy kept fighting..he was obviously outmatched. i jumped in and helped subdue this guy and got cuffed for " interfearing with an officer.. blah blah.."

It does have the usual one-way-street of justice about it... Anyone can be charged with interfering with an officer, but if you help one - zilch.
We need to get rep points added to our records!!! Get a discount on your next speeding fine if you are in credit perhaps???:blip: :blip: :blip: :blip: :2thumbsup

ScumKiller2

11th November 2005, 10:21

with all the talk of bikes doing runners, is it a surprise?

Fair call. :doh: The majority of people on the thread that you're probably referring to advocated against doing a runner so I'd hope that any one scrutinising these threads would view them objectively, ie. allow for the nutters, braggers, jokers, venters etc. [edit - not that i'd accuse any posters of being in these categories :) ]

be careful what you wish for. obviously you were never dealt with by the black and white minstrels....

Too true, too true. Ahhh, the good old days..... Although sometimes they did give warnings which I haven't heard happen much lately....

Lou Girardin

11th November 2005, 10:24

It was 900 Marty, as you well know. The MOT never had 2000 cops. They never had competitions to get the highest ticket values either.
They never ran into bikes to stop them, then make up ficticious dangerous charges to cover their arses either.

The_Dover

11th November 2005, 10:29

i jumped in and helped subdue this guy and got cuffed for " interfearing with an officer.. blah blah.."

Maybe it's cos you tried to kiss and grope him after you'd cuffed the scumbag, he was obviously used to being "The butch" and not the "The bitch"......

Lou Girardin

11th November 2005, 10:34

You know last year more pedrestians were killed on the motorway than people in/on motor vehicles.

Amazing what barriers can achieve. Oh, no sorry, it's amazing what ticketing drivers for 11 k's over can achieve.:lol:

SARGE

11th November 2005, 10:36

Maybe it's cos you tried to kiss and grope him after you'd cuffed the scumbag, he was obviously used to being "The butch" and not the "The bitch"......

anytime you're ready girlfriend...

just have a big meal before you jump.. it will be the last solid food you get for a few weeks....:doh: