Stupidity

[snuffles]

What is it with some bikers.........coming down the hutt motorway this morning in the cage doing about 60 and some twat on a GN250 is filtering through the traffic at about 100..... I am getting really pissed off with this sort of retarded riding, when he finally stuffs it up and comes a cropper... we will just end up paying more for our insurance and rego.

Even worse, I cant even use any of the parts off his bike as spares, although I could stick the 250 badge on the side of the bandit, just for a laugh.

and my final statement is........... ah whats the point



Bollocks.

[Divot]

You may find that the enforcement of lane spliting on the motorway has been relaxed slightly. As long as you dont do it in a maner that may be considered careless, dangerous or reckless. Keep you speed down to less that 20k diffrence when lane splitting. By the way the bus lanes on the motorway are marked "BUS ONLY" that means only busses may use them.

[outlawtorn]

I have found that it seems to be only newbies & scooters who do this (generalisation I know), quite often I see scooters and learners riders come tearing past me, filtering at high speeds, stupid I know but what can you do. I used to do the same until I met someone in a civic who loveling cut me off and caused me to see my arse, experience will be the only thing these guys listen to, after all, everyone in invincible.....right?

[Divot]

Only if all cage drivers that not of the following:


Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004
Part 2
Roads
Lanes
2.1 Keeping left
(1) A driver, when driving, must at all times drive as near as
practicable to the left side of the roadway unless this rule
otherwise provides.

This would mean that bikes could pass in most cases without too much trouble.

[snuffles]

Only if all cage drivers that not of the following:


Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004
Part 2
Roads
Lanes
2.1 Keeping left
(1) A driver, when driving, must at all times drive as near as
practicable to the left side of the roadway unless this rule
otherwise provides.

This would mean that bikes could pass in most cases without too much trouble.

Yep....... but at 100? please feel free to use the law to the letter.....what do you ride.......any spare parts I can use?

[Merwood]

:doh: Yeah must admit, just got my license and was splitting at 85 in a 70. Was happily riding along when a red corolla pulls out of its drive way and stops on the median, made me realise to slow down a bit even if i was going 15 over:bash:

[SARGE]

Stupidity is its own cure......

[Colapop]

For a start, being stupid on a bike endangers us all - bikers and cagers. We have a hard enough time with law and perception to us as it is without some idiot lane splitting and crashing (thankfully they didn't in this case). Dumass will learn after he stacks it.


....By the way the bus lanes on the motorway are marked "BUS ONLY" that means only busses may use them.

Divot as a side note this is a direct quote from the Auckalnd city council website;

"Bikes use bus lanes too! Buses, cycles and motorcycles are all authorised users of bus lanes"

You'll find that all main city councils have the same policy toward bikers using bus lanes.

[judgeshock]

Most of these riders unfortunately dont realise the full stupidity of what they are doing. Maybe its because they havent been in a situation where they have nearly popped one out in their pants. :crazy:

Its no different from my point of view about saving a few seconds on a journey by upping your speed 10 or 20ks. WHATS THE POINT, as the ads say you are a long time dead so whats the hurry.

Be patient and :calm:

[Divot]

Divot as a side note this is a direct quote from the Auckalnd city council website;

"Bikes use bus lanes too! Buses, cycles and motorcycles are all authorised users of bus lanes"

You'll find that all main city councils have the same policy toward bikers using bus lanes.

Please note that the Auckland Motorway dose not come under the Auckland City Council. The Motorway is and land around it is owned by Transit New Zealand. The bus lanes on the motorway are marked "BUS ONLY", this means that only buses can use them.

From Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004

bus lane means a lane reserved by a marking or sign installed
at the start of the lane and at each point at which the lane
resumes after an intersection for the use of—
(a) buses; and
(b) cycles and motorcycles (unless either or both are specifically
excluded by the sign)

:rockon:

[Colapop]

See now I read that "unless either or both are specifically
excluded by the sign" to mean that the sign must exclude motorcycles and bicycles specifically. In other it has to say on the the sign that cycles and motorcycles are not allowed on the bus lane. Is this enforced by traffic officers? Maybe it's a perception thing....
I suppose this requires further investigation

[riffer]

That's not the first time for that bloke.

He's even split past me when I've been splitting.

He's a bit dangerous, alright.

[Colapop]

Please note that the Auckland Motorway dose not come under the Auckland City Council. The Motorway is and land around it is owned by Transit New Zealand. The bus lanes on the motorway are marked "BUS ONLY", this means that only buses can use them.

From Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004

bus lane means a lane reserved by a marking or sign installed
at the start of the lane and at each point at which the lane
resumes after an intersection for the use of—
(a) buses; and
(b) cycles and motorcycles (unless either or both are specifically
excluded by the sign)

:rockon:

Yup. As I said following your post; The law states that the sign must specifically exclude cycles and motorcycles from the bus lane. A sign that says Buses Only does not do that, so under the rules defined by Land Transport (Road User) Rules 2004 motorcycles are entitled to use the bus lanes on the Auckland motorway system (and anywhere else that bus lanes appear on State owned highways/motorways etc.). - And be free from getting hassled by overzealous police officers - not BC though!

[Divot]

What in "Buses Only" do you not understand?

[snuffles]

:doh: Yeah must admit, just got my license and was splitting at 85 in a 70. Was happily riding along when a red corolla pulls out of its drive way and stops on the median, made me realise to slow down a bit even if i was going 15 over:bash:


Nope dont need any VTR parts, go buy a GSX and let me know when you come off:angry:

[cowpoos]

What is it with some bikers.........coming down the hutt motorway this morning in the cage doing about 60 and some twat on a GN250 is filtering through the traffic at about 100..... I am getting really pissed off with this sort of retarded riding, when he finally stuffs it up and comes a cropper... we will just end up paying more for our insurance and rego.

Even worse, I cant even use any of the parts off his bike as spares, although I could stick the 250 badge on the side of the bandit, just for a laugh.

and my final statement is........... ah whats the point



Bollocks.

arn't u pulling a wheelie in you pic next to your name???

[ManDownUnder]

and my final statement is........... ah whats the point

You need the Nike Attitude mate...

Just do (something about) it. The cops want to heard about idiots like that, feel free to to him/her out to them.

Yes they're someone that shares our mode of transport, but that's no reason to let them be idiots on the road. Your avatar and the fact you lane split tells me you're not a prude, so your observations are probably quite fair. Idf you think he/she/it is being an idiot, I'd waltz off to the cop shop, or *555 them.

There was a thread on here a while ago where one of our guys saw someone doing something dumb, didn't intervene (enough) and the guy ended up dead later that day.

On one hand it wasn't really his fault and the accident couldn't be blamed on him, but he felt like shit for quite a while for the sake of something he could have done.

Here's your chance, dob the idiot in. Or flag him over and tell his to slow down or... you think of a couple of options.

Or you can sit and talk...

Your call

[snuffles]

arn't u pulling a wheelie in you pic next to your name???


Nope, just a fancy pic I found somewhere, wouldnt know how to pull a wheelie if I tried..........must get someone to show me some day.

[snuffles]

You need the Nike Attitude mate...

Just do (something about) it. The cops want to heard about idiots like that, feel free to to him/her out to them.

Yes they're someone that shares our mode of transport, but that's no reason to let them be idiots on the road. Your avatar and the fact you lane split tells me you're not a prude, so your observations are probably quite fair. Idf you think he/she/it is being an idiot, I'd waltz off to the cop shop, or *555 them.

There was a thread on here a while ago where one of our guys saw someone doing something dumb, didn't intervene (enough) and the guy ended up dead later that day.

On one hand it wasn't really his fault and the accident couldn't be blamed on him, but he felt like shit for quite a while for the sake of something he could have done.

Here's your chance, dob the idiot in. Or flag him over and tell his to slow down or... you think of a couple of options.

Or you can sit and talk...

Your call

Thanks will do for future visions of stupidity.:2thumbsup

[madboy]

I was getting a bit worried there, thought I'd cut someone up... until I realised it was a GN doing only 100k. Phew.

So what do you say about a speed differential of 100km/h then?

[Divot]

I was getting a bit worried there, thought I'd cut someone up... until I realised it was a GN doing only 100k. Phew.

So what do you say about a speed differential of 100km/h then?

Here we go again. Was he doing 100k or did he pass you at 100k faster than wat you were doing.

If you were doing say 30km and he was doing 130km Yes Dangerous, if he pass at 70km the bordering on dangerous. In my view what thats worth.

[heavenly.talker]

This is a very interesting debate that you are holding about the motorway buslanes and one that is often mentioned on KB.

It makes very good reading!

It looks as though we might need to see someone challenge a ticket and then see what is determined through case law.

I think that there would be a fair chance that if you cited this information to a police officer they would think about not giving you the ticket. There certainly would be a good chance that it would be thrown out in court.

I think the main thing here is for us to respect our use of the bus lane...i.e. don't piss off the bus drivers and get out of their way.

As long as we are cruising in the lane and not going hard out it is unlikely an officer will be inclined to chase after us and stop us (unless they have instructions from above to crack down or they are having a bad day).

What do you reckon? I look forward to reading your thoughts...

Maybe this is something that KB could lobby for?

[madboy]

Here we go again. Was he doing 100k or did he pass you at 100k faster than wat you were doing.

If you were doing say 30km and he was doing 130km Yes Dangerous, if he pass at 70km the bordering on dangerous. In my view what thats worth.Personally I think anything more than 30k speed differential is getting a little on the risky side. I'm not saying I don't do it, I'm just saying it's risky.

150k speed differential is quite achievable, but I don't try it too often - could be very limiting to my future.

SO long as no one's complaining about me, then that's cool... otherwise I'm gonna have to leave the tape on to get to work too!

[Devil]

This is a very interesting debate that you are holding about the motorway buslanes and one that is often mentioned on KB.

It makes very good reading!

It looks as though we might need to see someone challenge a ticket and then see what is determined through case law.

I think that there would be a fair chance that if you cited this information to a police officer they would think about not giving you the ticket. There certainly would be a good chance that it would be thrown out in court.

I think the main thing here is for us to respect our use of the bus lane...i.e. don't piss off the bus drivers and get out of their way.

As long as we are cruising in the lane and not going hard out it is unlikely an officer will be inclined to chase after us and stop us (unless they have instructions from above to crack down or they are having a bad day).

What do you reckon? I look forward to reading your thoughts...

Maybe this is something that KB could lobby for?
You can try it if you like. But if you're in the bus lane on the motorway, they WILL pull you over and ticket you.

re: Specifically excluded from the lane, when it says "Buses Only" I take that as an inclusion. Specifically excluded to me means it would have to say "No Motorcycles". But it seems they're arse about face while trying to mean the same thing.

fuckers. Just let us on the motorway!

[Divot]

I posted this on another forum


Transit New Zealand

Auckland Regional Office

25 February 2005

Media Release

Motorcyclists and cyclists reminded not to use motorway bus lanes

Transit New Zealand wishes to remind cyclists and motorcyclists that they are not allowed to use any bus lanes on Auckland’s motorways even when the new traffic rules announced by Land Transport NZ come into force on Sunday (27 February).


Transit New Zealand regional manager (acting), Richard Hancy, says the new rules, which will allow cyclists and motorcyclists to use bus lanes on other roads, do not apply to bus lanes on motorways. “Motorways are governed by Transit Bylaw 2002/19 which only allows motorway bus lanes to be used by ‘timetabled passenger service vehicles’. This bylaw overrides the new traffic rules,” he says.


Mr Hancy says that at present bus lanes on motorways are in effect ‘emergency shoulder lanes’ that are converted to bus lanes between 6.30am and 9.30am to accommodate morning peak periods.


“Motorcyclists cannot use these emergency lanes, even when they are temporary bus lanes, because the motorway is a high speed environment and the risk of a motorist pulling off to the side in the event of a breakdown makes it even more dangerous,” says Mr Hancy.


“As far as cyclists are concerned, like pedestrians, they have never been allowed to use the motorways and this remains unchanged.” We are, however, incorporating special cycleways off the motorways whenever possible into all our new projects. We already have a cycleway that runs alongside the causeway of the Northwestern Motorway.


Special signs reinforcing the message that the emergency lanes are for buses only in morning peak periods will be erected along the motorways.


ends


For further information contact
Richard Hancy

Transit New Zealand

tel (09) 368 2000

fax (09) 368 2059

richard.hancy@transit.govt.nz

Visit us at www.transit.govt.nz

I hope theat his will end all confusion on motorway bus lanes!

[raster]

First day ever riding to work, soon after the law came in, "Choice..use bus lanes", got pulled over, he just told me not too, "Bloody beurocrats" were his words, the cops hate the law as much as we do.
They are even running around excluding us for residential bus lanes too, I think it's just to keep the signmakers in business while giving the perception of trying to get traffic moving.

Divot: Are you able to reveal where you get your info from.
I have set my limits of max 50K and 20 above speed of traffic if there is heaps of room and give way to anything else.

[Colapop]

I posted this on another forum
Originally Posted by Transit's Website
Motorcyclists and cyclists reminded not to use motorway bus lanes

Transit New Zealand wishes to remind cyclists and motorcyclists that they are not allowed to use any bus lanes on Auckland’s motorways even when the new traffic rules announced by Land Transport NZ come into force on Sunday (27 February).


Transit New Zealand regional manager (acting), Richard Hancy, says the new rules, which will allow cyclists and motorcyclists to use bus lanes on other roads, do not apply to bus lanes on motorways. “Motorways are governed by Transit Bylaw 2002/19 which only allows motorway bus lanes to be used by ‘timetabled passenger service vehicles’. This bylaw overrides the new traffic rules,” he says.


Mr Hancy says that at present bus lanes on motorways are in effect ‘emergency shoulder lanes’ that are converted to bus lanes between 6.30am and 9.30am to accommodate morning peak periods.


“Motorcyclists cannot use these emergency lanes, even when they are temporary bus lanes, because the motorway is a high speed environment and the risk of a motorist pulling off to the side in the event of a breakdown makes it even more dangerous,” says Mr Hancy.


“As far as cyclists are concerned, like pedestrians, they have never been allowed to use the motorways and this remains unchanged.” We are, however, incorporating special cycleways off the motorways whenever possible into all our new projects. We already have a cycleway that runs alongside the causeway of the Northwestern Motorway.


Special signs reinforcing the message that the emergency lanes are for buses only in morning peak periods will be erected along the motorways.

For further information contact
Richard Hancy

Transit New Zealand

tel (09) 368 2000

fax (09) 368 2059

richard.hancy@transit.govt.nz

Visit us at www.transit.govt.nz


I hope theat his will end all confusion on motorway bus lanes!

Hey, that's awesome research and valuable information. What it does highlight is the discrepency between state law and local government law. As I mentioned in the thread "Motorway bus lanes" the info that I was given was that according to the 'law' motorcyclists were entitled to use bus lanes. That was directly from police national headquarters traffic enforcement. That is, of course in conflict with the information you have posted Divot. In Wellington there are no dedicated motorway bus lanes so the law has no application here. Confusing matters is that state law is contradictory to local government law, where both Auckland City ouncil and Wellington City Council allow bikers to use bus lanes (within the city) and this fact is signposted on the bus lanes (in wellington at least). Yes, these are two types of road we are talking about but the reality is that it is this ambiguity in the law that is causing confusion.

[avgas]

Jeez, lets bitch about someone who is out there riding.
Were you all born perfect or something.
We all did stupid shit, fucked up, and learnt a lesson - be thankfull this guy did it on a GN, i know lots of wankers that did it (and still do it), on much more powerful bikes.
Stop being so hypocritical of others and concentrate on your own riding. Thats what i do.
How would you all feel if someone talked about you like you were some fuckwit riding dangerously out there (cos thats what the cage patrol do).
He was on a 250, he must be a learner or new to bikes - give him some slack.
If we all got :bash: everytime we learnt something - we would stop learning.
He is probably at home now :bash: himself up over the accident, and doesnt need crap like this thrown in his direction.

[Colapop]

Jeez, lets bitch about someone who is out there riding.
Were you all born perfect or something.
We all did stupid shit, fucked up, and learnt a lesson - be thankfull this guy did it on a GN, i know lots of wankers that did it (and still do it), on much more powerful bikes.
Stop being so hypocritical of others and concentrate on your own riding. Thats what i do.
How would you all feel if someone talked about you like you were some fuckwit riding dangerously out there (cos thats what the cage patrol do).
He was on a 250, he must be a learner or new to bikes - give him some slack.
If we all got :bash: everytime we learnt something - we would stop learning.
He is probably at home now :bash: himself up over the accident, and doesnt need crap like this thrown in his direction.

I don't think he binned it. But yeah you're right, we all done stupid shit. I (just me) would have liked to have someone (who I respected) point me in the right direction. Maybe I could have avoided a few scars.

[avgas]

I don't think he binned it. But yeah you're right, we all done stupid shit. I (just me) would have liked to have someone (who I respected) point me in the right direction. Maybe I could have avoided a few scars.
lol i hear that.
Only problem is, when your 10 ft tall, bulletproof and cocky..... who you gonna listen to (let alone respect).

[madboy]

i know lots of wankers that did it (and still do it), on much more powerful bikes.That would be me :) I just haven't f***ed it up, or learnt any lessons... yet :devil2:

[Warr]

In my younger! days on a 250 I enjoyed a bit of that over the harbour bridge. Must watch for gaps appearing that an adventerious car may wish to occupy from the other lane.
I was in just the wrong place at the wrong time and copt a sore arm from an oppertunist car. Bit of a wobble and accelerated away. Lets just say it could have gone down a lot different.

[Colapop]

....when your 10 ft tall, bulletproof and cocky......

When I WAS 10 foot tall and bulletproof the bruises healed quicker and it was easier to get up the next day! Now I'm 6 foot tall - still 10 foot in actual height I just can't straighten up. I'm still cocky but now I choose my battles and generally win them.