Overtaking whilst on a group ride

[chickenfunkstar]

Hi,

Lets say you're in a group ride where there's a bit of a riding pace differential between different members of a group.
This is sort of hard to explain so i've drawn a picture which shows what I mean.

Lets say that you're one of the 'faster' riders (bike B) and you pull up behind one of the slower riders (bike A) who is still faster than the car and is waiting for a good place to overtake the car.

Should bike B wait for bike A to overtake the car and then overtake the slower rider or should he just pass them both at the same time?

The reason I ask is I nearly saw a couple of high speed accidents yesterday due to bike A pulling out to overtake the car without realising that bike B was pulling out to overtake them both.

My view point was that the bike behind should wait untill the slower bike has passed and then pass the slower bike. Thats what i'd do if I were the faster bike unless the slower bike pulled to the left to let me through. Just seems a bit more curtious / safer that way. If I were the slower bike and couldn't find a good place to pass the car within a reasonable period, then i'd pull left to let the other bike through. However i'd expect the bike behind to give me a fair crack at overtaking the car first.

Is there a general guide line about this? I imagine its only gonna be a matter of time before theres a high speed collision otherwise.

[jrandom]

I think you're just too slow, and you haven't figured it out yet. Perhaps you should give up riding motorcycles.

Rule of thumb: always err on the side of caution by letting any rider with a larger penis past before attempting maneuvers.

[Ixion]

But the guy with the large penis will doubtless be the one on the small bike riding slowly . You mean letting any rider compensating for a small penis past.

[marty]

it's law of the fittest - always check your mirrors before changing lanes, or are you one of those wankers doing 105 in the left lane, pulling out on the m/way to pass someone doing 95, while nearly causing 10 nose to tails behind you cause you checked (by not checking) the line of cars/bikes doing 110 in the 'fast' lane.

if someone faster is overtaking, it's up to you to either 1. speed up or 2. get out of the fucking way.

[Matt Bleck]

Wait for the slower to take the car and then take him, all done from behind, of course!!

[The Stranger]

In all cases where a vehicle (bike or not) is going to overtake they should check their mirror AND head check before pulling out, so bike A should see bike B ok.

Now we know what should happen, but reality is we know that it doesn't at times. Knowing this bike B would be wise to be wary anyway.

I don't see a need to wait for the slow bike to pass first, but I think they appreciate the support. Also if they are noobe it may be better to take care not to freak them out.

[chickenfunkstar]

it's law of the fittest - always check your mirrors before changing lanes, or are you one of those wankers doing 105 in the left lane, pulling out on the m/way to pass someone doing 95, while nearly causing 10 nose to tails behind you cause you checked (by not checking) the line of cars/bikes doing 110 in the 'fast' lane.

if someone faster is overtaking, it's up to you to either 1. speed up or 2. get out of the fucking way.

I was more talking about the open road, unless anyone fancys a group ride down the motorway???
There's always a blind spot about directly behind you which spreads out to about 1 meter either side if a bike following you is about 3 meters or so behind you. If someone was following you a couple of meters behind you and just to the side of you, there isn't much of a chance to see him.

[bugjuice]

the rule of thumb I hear the most, and I think makes sense, is that it's the responsibility of the overtaker to make sure it all goes well. If there's a good staight coming up, chances are the slower bike is going to make a break for it. If there's a short straight, and little chance of the slower bike having a go, then the faster bike could buzz both of them. Each case on it's own merit I guess, but generally, I'd wait for the slower rider to overtake first, unless there was a spot of road that there would be absolutely no chance of the bike having a go, but I could, I'd then buzz past safely if I can

[Biff]

What Marty said. Biker A (everyone - always) should always check their mirrors before making a move. Who is to say that the bike/car overtaking him/her is even a member of the same group?

In general I'd let bike B go first. But if they're hesitant, and there's plenty of time/room I'd go first - with caution.

[M1CRO]

If someone was following you a couple of meters behind you and just to the side of you, there isn't much of a chance to see him.
Sounds like Yoshi blatting passed me yesterday, one second he was in my mirrors and the next he wasnt.. Scared the crap outa me when that bloody noisy thing goes past ya and your not expecting it! :not:

[M1CRO]

the rule of thumb I hear the most, and I think makes sense, is that it's the responsibility of the overtaker to make sure it all goes well. If there's a good staight coming up, chances are the slower bike is going to make a break for it. If there's a short straight, and little chance of the slower bike having a go, then the faster bike could buzz both of them. Each case on it's own merit I guess, but generally, I'd wait for the slower rider to overtake first, unless there was a spot of road that there would be absolutely no chance of the bike having a go, but I could, I'd then buzz past safely if I can
Sometimes its not even the bike but the rider that is prepared to "give it a go"..

[pyrocam]

Bike A should check before pulling out. Bike B should go really wide and keep his eye on bike A incase

[The_Dover]

I would use the same etiquette that is enforced on ski slopes really, the person in front has the right of way because you have a clear enough view of them to make the better decision on when to pass. Always give way to the slower rider because if you're riding a big fast bike you should be responsible enough to wait for the right opportunity to pass, be it bike A or a car or both at the same time.

Why scare the shit out of someone or risk an accident just to get past in a hurry? They shouldn't have to give way to you just cos your bike is faster, it's good manners and if they know you are there then more than likely they'll wave you by, but they have track position and you are the one that has to perform the safe overtaking manouver.

[bugjuice]

Sometimes its not even the bike but the rider that is prepared to "give it a go"..
true, and I did think of that while I was typing, but the chances are, if you've been sat behind them for a wee while getting ready to overtake, you can start to get an idea of their riding style and judge if they'd make a move or not. And most of the time, most people change their 'body language' on the road when they're about to make a move, so you can see from those indications too that it wouldn't be the best time to give it a go

[chickenfunkstar]

What Marty said. Biker A (everyone - always) should always check their mirrors before making a move. Who is to say that the bike/car overtaking him/her is even a member of the same group?

In general I'd let bike B go first. But if they're hesitant, and there's plenty of time/room I'd go first - with caution.

I do agree with you, I'll always check my mirrors and turn my head, but if bike B is now in this position, bike A probably won't see him even if he checks. There will always be an area behind you on a bike which you just can't see (bar standing up and twisting right around).
These were more like the positions from which a couple of close calls happened yesterday.

[ScumKiller2]

Motorcycling 101: assume no one can see you. Bike B should assess the situation, and pass if he feels it is safe, BUT assume that bike A will not see him and likely attempt the passing manouver anyway.

ie. Bike B should have a plan B.

Personally though, I'd probably let the slower guy get alongside the car at least before going past.......

[scumdog]

See the posts in the thread 'SPEED' regarding somebodys suggestion that there be 4 stages of licence with 1 being slow (for those not so skilled) and 4 being a much higher speed allowed to those who are experienced/more skilled.

And then think of your incident and having a bunch of 1 to 4 stage riders in the bunch.....:blink:

Probably a good thing we don't have the 1 to 4 stage licence eh, as it seems that certain riders struggle to cope with one!! (ok pedants, yes we have two - the learner speed thing).

[madboy]

Defensive riding should prevail (ironic that I should say that). When in a group I always feel nervous and am extra vigilant and cautious. Doesn't matter whose fault it is, you're gonna feel really bad if you and someone you're riding with end up in the same ditch.

Personally, when I've got a faster rider behind me, I wave them through, and a lot of riders I've been with seem to share the same philosophy. Takes the guess work outta the "have the seen me?" "can I pass?" "when are they passing?" questions.

But refer to paragraph one - pass really really fast, but leave an out, and you'll avoid feeling like a dickhead.

[stunz]

If theres a bike behind me that wasnt there a second ago, then hes probably going faster than me. :nono: And me, being the safety-conscientious, forgiving and well-adjusted rider that I am, will move to the left to allow them to pass. :yes:

It has always been my philosophy that if you are seen to move over to the non-overtaking side of the lane, you are acknowledging to the rider of A that they can pass if they want...:hitcher:
Also, if i was going to overtake the cage, I would have flipped on my indicator...:doh:

[Rashika]

So how would you do it in a car?
For me exactly same as a bike, just gets a little more complicated cos there can be more than just one bike to worry about. I'd always let the faster guys go before me ...usually dont have a choice anyway :blink: :2thumbsup

Any Overtaker always needs to be the one to be cautious: they are the one going on the other side of the road, and potentially about to cause an accident.
Be aware of every possibility... yes the slow car/bike WILL pull out on you... expect them to, give them a couple of secs to decide and if they dont, its your turn.... and the other usual yadda applies: always look behind before you move out, and use ya damn indicators, they aint just painted on....okay some may well be :blip:

[Paul in NZ]

There is a DVD about which advises about riding in groups...

This is just ONE problem with riding in groups and at the risk of sounding like a stupid old prick (again) it is one of the more angerous times to be riding a bike. Bike running into the back of another bike is almost comon in the group ride situation.

Personally, Bike B should wait until bike A sorts it's shit out BUT if Bike A is not going to pass they A should wave B through!

If you are going to overtake... Signal well in advance your intention...

IF Bike B does decide to go.... Go wide...

The most dangerous time of all is when you are not actually in a group but are caught up with in traffic by a faster (more risk friendly?) biker...

Same thing happens with cars / motorway etc... Dangerous situation...

Cheers

[sels1]

In all cases where a vehicle (bike or not) is going to overtake they should check their mirror AND head check before pulling out, so bike A should see bike B ok.

Now we know what should happen, but reality is we know that it doesn't at times. Knowing this bike B would be wise to be wary anyway.

I don't see a need to wait for the slow bike to pass first, but I think they appreciate the support. Also if they are noobe it may be better to take care not to freak them out.

Yeah I agree with that. And with the person who said always assume they havnt seen you.
Welcome aboard the site btw Stranger

[SlowHand]

on a smaller boik, you need to ask the boik if it wants to over take, then the boik consults with the road conditions, only then u can pass maybe. Both should take care I reckon, but if the big bike can give some room to the smaller bike, it would be betterer.

ps. Pyro - ur sis looks fine in you avatar bro!

[WRT]

As a general rule of thumb, rider B should never assume that either rider A or car A (or B, C, D, etc etc) has seen him. As such, while I think that rider A does have an obligation to check his mirrors before pulling out to over take, rider B also needs to bear in mind that mirrors on bikes are (in the main) not all that great and rider A's main focus will be on the road ahead not whats coming up behind.

If rider A does happen to notice a faster bike behind him, he needs to do one of two things - either move up on the back right corner of the car to signal his intent to over take (and then do so and the earliest safe moment), or pull over to the left hand side of the lane and drop back to allow the faster bike room to move up in front of him and into the "ready-to-overtake" position.

[Mongoose]

The onus for a safe passing manouver is on the overtaker, is it not?
Neither rider should assume anything about the other rider.
And off the topic a bit, when riding in a group who ever is third(or further back) is ALWAYS playing catch up

[aff-man]

Well i think that as in most cases the responsibility is on the passer. I have come across a situatiobn a few times when i have been behind a slower bike that was behind a car. The slower bike was sitting in the right side of the lane but was unable to pass the car where i easily would have. Thus my conundrum, not knowing if the slower bike was gonna suddenly pull out and getting frustrated because i'm not able to take advantage of the twisties (usually the case). So what does one do?? Sure the passer should be responsible but should the slower bike also make sure he isn't holding anyone back. Staying in your comfort zone is what it's all about, but if i am comfortable overtaking in places the bike in front of me isn't what should i do??

[Toast]

My view point was that the bike behind should wait untill the slower bike has passed and then pass the slower bike. Thats what i'd do if I were the faster bike unless the slower bike pulled to the left to let me through. Just seems a bit more curtious / safer that way. If I were the slower bike and couldn't find a good place to pass the car within a reasonable period, then i'd pull left to let the other bike through. However i'd expect the bike behind to give me a fair crack at overtaking the car first.


Yeah, for sure. Don't overtake him if you think he's going to overtake...and be 100% certain about...thus you unless he waves you past, don't go (maybe if he's REAL slow and you can be past him in about .25 of a second and you're sure he's not gonna go for it...then go, but give him a real wide berth)

[Lou Girardin]

Hi,

Lets say you're in a group ride where there's a bit of a riding pace differential between different members of a group.
This is sort of hard to explain so i've drawn a picture which shows what I mean.

Lets say that you're one of the 'faster' riders (bike B) and you pull up behind one of the slower riders (bike A) who is still faster than the car and is waiting for a good place to overtake the car.

Should bike B wait for bike A to overtake the car and then overtake the slower rider or should he just pass them both at the same time?

The reason I ask is I nearly saw a couple of high speed accidents yesterday due to bike A pulling out to overtake the car without realising that bike B was pulling out to overtake them both.

My view point was that the bike behind should wait untill the slower bike has passed and then pass the slower bike. Thats what i'd do if I were the faster bike unless the slower bike pulled to the left to let me through. Just seems a bit more curtious / safer that way. If I were the slower bike and couldn't find a good place to pass the car within a reasonable period, then i'd pull left to let the other bike through. However i'd expect the bike behind to give me a fair crack at overtaking the car first.

Is there a general guide line about this? I imagine its only gonna be a matter of time before theres a high speed collision otherwise.


No. That's what mirrors are for. You don't pull out when being overtaken.
Anyone read the Road Code lately?

[mv.senna]

simple answer to this question really....
unless they've indicated otherwise - by waving the faster rider on, or moving across to the left behind the cage.... then whoever's up first behind the cage, passes first.

if rider "b" is as fast as he probably thinks he is, then he'll be able to find plenty of subsequent passing opportunities once rider "a" gets past the cage, where rider "a" might not have - due to engine size, riding ability, sense of safety/preservation etc

There's nothing more frustrating than being on a smaller bike, waiting for a safe opportunity to get past a cage, only to have some wanker on a bike twice the cc's of yours rip past you...cutting off your opportunity to get safely past the cage, and scaring the shit out of you in the process....

there's been a few group rides, where even though i've made a conscious effort to keep a watch on my mirrors, wave faster riders past, and keep left, I've been "buzzed" and given a hell of a fright by some clown who's mistaken himself for rossi......lets look after each other while we're on group rides guys....it's bad enough having to watch out for the useless cage drivers!

RANT over :2thumbsup

[pyrocam]

on a smaller boik, you need to ask the boik if it wants to over take, then the boik consults with the road conditions, only then u can pass maybe. Both should take care I reckon, but if the big bike can give some room to the smaller bike, it would be betterer.

ps. Pyro - ur sis looks fine in you avatar bro!

yeah she does and she asked if your gonna start paying that alimony soon, also do you want your crabs back? But I digress, out of all the monster kb rides, how many crashes have you heard of happening like that. not saying it doesnt happen (touch wood) but i reckon its not that big of a deal, most people will use their disgression on the situation. but I digress, when I was a noob I used to get bling for an avatar, this ones got the most attention yet. but no bling. do people stop handing it out after a while cos 'youve got enuf' Im gonna have to start red-blinging some of the other guys on the board to move up. pt.

[juzzer]

there's been a few group rides, where even though i've made a conscious effort to keep a watch on my mirrors, wave faster riders past, and keep left, I've been "buzzed" and given a hell of a fright by some clown who's mistaken himself for rossi......lets look after each other while we're on group rides guys....it's bad enough having to watch out for the useless cage drivers!

RANT over :2thumbsup

Wasn't some noisy prick on a VTR was it? :blink:

[boomer]

Mirrors and a head check. I got buzzed and immediately realised it was my fault for not checking my mirrors.

I had a chuckle Juzzer seeing you enter the pack and weave through one by one ...and imagined you saying 'exscuse me... exscuse me... exscuse me... '



Being flat out on a sweeper and have some one come round the outside of you is an all together different matter.... bloody ghost riders :shake:

[Marmoot]

Two options:

(1) Overtaking should be done 'one at a time', meaning you only aim to overtake the vehicle in front of you. Bike A should not be aiming at overtaking the car until he has overtaken bike B. If there is not a safe room between B and the car, then A has to wait until bike B has overtaken the car, OR

(2) Overtaking 2 vehicles in one go can only be done on 1 wheel, preferably the front, to maximise satisfaction and spectacle

[Marmoot]

Wasn't some noisy prick on a VTR was it? :blink:

nah....couldn't be you. Not fast enough :p

[juzzer]

I had a chuckle Juzzer seeing you enter the pack and weave through one by one ...and imagined you saying 'exscuse me... exscuse me... exscuse me... '



Whoops - i hadn't been on the bike for a week, so was a bit enthusiastic...and i had to scrub the new rubber in..
Apologies if a scared anyone :doh:

[juzzer]

nah....couldn't be you. Not fast enough :p

Bloody good point mate...i'm in the clear :banana:

[boomer]

Whoops - i hadn't been on the bike for a week, so was a bit enthusiastic...and i had to scrub the new rubber in..
Apologies if a scared anyone :doh:

Hey bro you weren't a hazard, just movin on through:rockon:

[Marmoot]

Bloody good point mate...i'm in the clear :banana:

care to go out with me this sat? I've been hankering about u and me :love:

[juzzer]

care to go out with me this sat? I've been hankering about u and me :love:

Ooooo baby, talk dirty.....Not free until Sunday arvo...wanna play then :blip:

[Marmoot]

Ooooo baby, talk dirty.....Not free until Sunday arvo...wanna play then :blip:


Can't. No gay sex on Sundays.

[Zed]

Is there a general guide line about this? I imagine its only gonna be a matter of time before theres a high speed collision otherwise.As Lou said, the road code covers it, but I think your take on it is a safe option under those circumstances CF.

It all happens so fast sometimes on the road, but I try and ensure that the slower rider in front of me knows that I am there, and once I am confident he is aware of me I will judge his reaction and make my move accordingly.

It's always shocking to see close calls on group rides, but tis par for the course unfortunately. :nono:

[juzzer]

Can't. No gay sex on Sundays.

I wont tell if you dont.....Following Sat then.....(have the young fella this weekend)

PS - Stop highjacking the thread....

[DEATH_INC.]

Here's what I do; I'll sit back and watch the slower guy for a short straight or two to see if he'll pass,then when we hit the next straight I'll wait just a few moments till I think it's safe and sorta know he's not going,pull out wide and rip past as fast as possible so as to 1 be heard and 2 not give 'em enough time to pull out into you.Often a good place is nearing the end of the straight when you can still see far enough but it's not far enough for a slowbie to get past.It sounds sorta risky,but it really isn't.....:blink:

[texmo]

Here's what I do; I'll sit back and watch the slower guy for a short straight or two to see if he'll pass,then when we hit the next straight I'll wait just a few moments till I think it's safe and sorta know he's not going,pull out wide and rip past as fast as possible so as to 1 be heard and 2 not give 'em enough time to pull out into you.Often a good place is nearing the end of the straight when you can still see far enough but it's not far enough for a slowbie to get past.It sounds sorta risky,but it really isn't.....:blink:
sounds sorta risky but isnt coming from a guy whos name is death inc?

[crashe]

Ok as the Queen of Slow (rider) on this site.... :rofl:

When I am behind a car and waiting for the right moment to overtake and I see a fast bike roaring up from nowhere... then I will pull over to the left and signal them to move on.

Thats if I see them coming from behind.

Now if they are going that fast and I dont see them coming... and I start to overtake then they had better be going real wide when overtaking... cos if a rider overtook me and didn't go wide and took me out... then god help them.

I am always looking in my mirrors on a group ride.. cos all of the riders will at some stage overtake me. So I am happy to move out of the way.

But as Lou says ... see the road code...

BTW Bike A has the right of way.

[pyrocam]

Ok as the Queen of Slow (rider) on this site....

youd use your air horn more like

[crashe]

youd use your air horn more like

Hell yeah..... :rofl: :rofl:

[boomer]

Wasn't some noisy prick on a VTR was it? :blink:

LIke this one?? :weird:

[Leong]

the rule of thumb I hear the most, and I think makes sense, is that it's the responsibility of the overtaker to make sure it all goes well. If there's a good staight coming up, chances are the slower bike is going to make a break for it. If there's a short straight, and little chance of the slower bike having a go, then the faster bike could buzz both of them. Each case on it's own merit I guess, but generally, I'd wait for the slower rider to overtake first, unless there was a spot of road that there would be absolutely no chance of the bike having a go, but I could, I'd then buzz past safely if I can



I would use the same etiquette that is enforced on ski slopes really, the person in front has the right of way because you have a clear enough view of them to make the better decision on when to pass. Always give way to the slower rider because if you're riding a big fast bike you should be responsible enough to wait for the right opportunity to pass, be it bike A or a car or both at the same time.

Why scare the shit out of someone or risk an accident just to get past in a hurry? They shouldn't have to give way to you just cos your bike is faster, it's good manners and if they know you are there then more than likely they'll wave you by, but they have track position and you are the one that has to perform the safe overtaking manouver.


As a newbie whose only been on 2 group rides and only started overtaking cars on his first group ride - yes the road code should apply, BUT within the group perhaps some courtesy as shown by Bugjuice and Dover above could apply. It is a "group" ride after all. If there is a long enough straight/opportunity then the faster bike could let slower one go first then pass both. There are always fewer passing opportunities for the less powerful and it's the main reason we crave more power!!.

Courtesy goes both ways though, so if we came to a shorter straight where the slower bike (me) couldn't pass, then I'd move left and let the faster bike thru. My "body language" would be obvious. If the bike behind's body language was aggressive, ie on the right, tailgating, then I would just move left and hope to follow the faster bike through.

I think it's also courteous for everyone to overtake as quickly as possible to maximise the opportunity for others. ( Within the 100km/h limit of course isn't that in the road code too )

[juzzer]

LIke this one?? :weird:

Where's the black scooter on the other side? :buggerd:

[boomer]

:grouphug:

[juzzer]

:grouphug:

Lol - that's more like it...hope you where looking in the mirror's and not trying to overtake :blip:

[avgas]

"20 YES.......NO NO NO NO NO"

[T.I.E]

i would expect bike "a" to hold off and give bike "b" the chance to overtake. if bike "b" has had reasonable chance to overtake and has not done so then and only then could bike "a" overtake in a safe and reasonable manner. trying not to scare the crap out of bike "B".

its not a track, when ya on your own and ya wanna go hard cool. but when ya got other riders drivers out there then you should pay them respect as the road is as much theirs as it is yours. you wanna race take it to the track where that sort of stuff is acceptable. but watch out for others.

[boomer]

I've just noticed Dovers in the shot too :mobile:

[juzzer]

I've just noticed Dovers in the shot too :mobile:

Dover is looking over me shoulder...."Thats not me...to close to the road"...
He also said "Cunt"..... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[texmo]

LOL nice pic man

[Cibby]

hmm..

I have nothing to say on this subject as we all know that i'm a slow rider who stays at the back of the pack, doesnt pass anyone and rides at 70km the whole way as per my licence restrictions...

:whistle:

[Zed]

I've just noticed Dovers in the shot too :mobile:That is a nice shot man! I don't see Dovers K5 there though? Waz he riding the CBR in the centre or possibly posing as either juzzer or YOSHI?? :sherlock:

[The_Dover]

Juzzer showing you all how to overtake safely.........

[BLACKYOSHI1000]

I had a chuckle Juzzer seeing you enter the pack and weave through one by one ...and imagined you saying 'exscuse me... exscuse me... exscuse me...
WHAT EVA FUKIN NOISEY THING IF YA CANT HEAR JUZZA CUMMIN UP BEHIND BEST NOT GO TO SLEEP :buggerd: '



Being flat out on a sweeper and have some one come round the outside of you is an all together different matter.... bloody ghost riders :shake:[/QUOTE]
IN BLACK WAS HE ?:2thumbsup

[boomer]

:no:
Juzzer showing you all how to overtake safely.........
And theres me thinking he was warming his tyres up:doobey:

I hope you got your cibbyr fixed cibby chick:yes:

Yoshi - I cannot confirm nor deny his ethnic back ground

[BLACKYOSHI1000]

LIke this one?? :weird:
LMFAO :2thumbsup
THE PICK MUST HAVE BEEN TAKEN BETWEEN FLASHES IM SURE JUZZA WOULD HAVE INDECATED:yes:

[The_Dover]

And theres me thinking he was warming his tyres up:doobey:

I hope you got your cibbyr fixed cibby chick:yes:

Yeah, I fixed on the way to work this morning, just needed the cobwebs blown out :whistle:

Must be missing Juzzer's gentle touch!!!

[BLACKYOSHI1000]

:no:
And theres me thinking he was warming his tyres up:doobey:

I hope you got your cibbyr fixed cibby chick:yes:

Yoshi - I cannot confirm nor deny his ethnic back ground
BIT OF A WORRY WHEN I HAVE TO GO ROUND THE OUT SIDE ON RIGHT HANDER`S TOO:banana:

[Cibby]

Yeah, I fixed on the way to work this morning, just needed the cobwebs blown out :whistle:

Must be missing Juzzer's gentle touch!!!


my baby loves me the best dammit!

i will edit this later when i can think of something whitty and intelligent to say..

edit - my bike is still making funny noises... not cool

[boomer]

LMFAO :2thumbsup
THE PICK MUST HAVE BEEN TAKEN BETWEEN FLASHES IM SURE JUZZA WOULD HAVE INDECATED:yes:

Yeah spot on yoshi, heres the shot on the next frame

[bane]

The reason I ask is I nearly saw a couple of high speed accidents yesterday due to bike A pulling out to overtake the car without realising that bike B was pulling out to overtake them both.

hope it wasnt me...

in general, I like to wait for a straight without other vehicles to make a pass.
If its clear a bike behind me is trying to get past, I'll attempt to move left and leave room.

As been mentioned, sometimes really difficult when bike comes from nowhere to pass at warp speed as mirror check does sweet FA...

[boomer]

I've just noticed Dovers in the shot too :mobile:


That is a nice shot man! I don't see Dovers K5 there though? Waz he riding the CBR in the centre or possibly posing as either juzzer or YOSHI?? :sherlock:

i think Dover stop-Dover in the 'bushes' for a leak :whistle:

[The_Dover]

I was trying to catch a turkey for xmas dinner.........

[Karma]

I was trying to catch a turkey for xmas dinner.........


I'd hate to see you out on the pull. :banana:

[Sensei]

Just pass people where I want , when I want :blip:

[ducatilover]

i've never riden n a group before but i dont tink i would pass in a group unless theres quite a gap....

[juzzer]

Juzzer showing you all how to overtake safely.........

Juzzer comes flying around the bend for a pozy photo shot, only to find that Dover has beaten him to it...

[scumdog]

No. That's what mirrors are for. You don't pull out when being overtaken.
Anyone read the Road Code lately?

Lou is right (again? you all say!) and those that don't use mirrors are probably the same type of twat that doesn't use indicators either - double danger eh?
Of course following your bro for 10km while his left blinker is going kinda fools you when he pulls out and passes the car on front on the right side!!:wacko:

[The_Dover]

I'd hate to see you out on the pull. :banana:

Most guys hate it mate. They don't like the competition.:shake:

Hey Juzzer, nice evasive countersteering!

[Karma]

Most guys hate it mate. They don't like the competition.:shake:

Hey Juzzer, nice evasive countersteering!


I'd imagine it goes something like this;


Dover : Hey there baby girl... you wanna go for a ride
Bird : Sure lets go, nobody else is talking to me so you'll do
Dover : Just need you to fill out this quick indemnity contract and write any details of next of kin for me to contact on the back.


:lol:

[chickenfunkstar]

No. That's what mirrors are for. You don't pull out when being overtaken.
Anyone read the Road Code lately?

I know what you're saying and the slower bike would be legally in the wrong if there was a collision, but even when using your mirrors and doing a head check, you still sometimes can't see if there's anyone behind you. (i.e. if they're really close and practically directly behind you)

Anyway, sometimes whats safest / best isn't always whats legal, eh Lou?

[Gremlin]

OK, I'll take a stab and say that I was probably one of the mobile chicanes you refer to as "Bike A"... :sherlock: Don't think I blocked anyone when passing... although I did see one close one just in front on one occasion. Also had someone pass me while I was busying passing, but I was expecting that, hence I tried to give you half a lane on the far right to use...

As for the twisties, I know I was holding up others, I would get a break and pull away after passing, but then get stuck again, and see another queue behind me :no:

From my point of view, yes, I am technically holding people up, but, if an opportunity comes, where I can overtake safely, I need to take it, I've usually been behind the car for ages, and the odds of another place for passing is rare... I try to give some warning as well by using my indicator...

I reckon you (the big bikes) can overtake far more easily and in more places, hence I need the places which I can use. Vice versa, when I was behind Christine (CaN2), I reckoned I could go faster, but she was first, and she was going to have first crack at overtaking.

As for empty straights, I move left and let you pass, obviously. Also, if I see a bike come up quickly (easy when it was the VTR, soo obvious) and sit right behind me, I try to give you chances to overtake and get ahead, you are obviously on a quicker pace...

Can't wait for more power... :mellow:

[mv.senna]

Wasn't some noisy prick on a VTR was it? :blink:

are you being rude about Marmoot???

and no, it was some masc-ara'd man on a cbr250.....

[Lou Girardin]

There's some interesting comments along the lines of adopting different riding behaviours on 'group rides'.
I tend to think that normal road rules should apply. Unless you want to end up like HOG rides, where you're not supposed to overtake.
Changing rules ad lib only leads to confusion. If I close quickly on any vehicle I'll watch to see if they've seen me, give a wide berth and pass. If you dither around playing "you first, no after you" inevitably both riders move at the same time.

[Karma]

As for the twisties, I know I was holding up others, I would get a break and pull away after passing, but then get stuck again, and see another queue behind me :no:


Wouldn't be on the uphill sections by any chance?




when I was behind Christine (CaN2), I reckoned I could go faster, but she was first, and she was going to have first crack at overtaking.


Bit ambisious aren't we? She giving it some from what I saw.



Can't wait for more power... :mellow:

Tell me about it... I think the 9R is gonna have to come sooner rather than later. :banana:

[Zapf]

I was more talking about the open road, unless anyone fancys a group ride down the motorway???
There's always a blind spot about directly behind you which spreads out to about 1 meter either side if a bike following you is about 3 meters or so behind you. If someone was following you a couple of meters behind you and just to the side of you, there isn't much of a chance to see him.

head check comes to mind...

[Marmoot]

are you being rude about Marmoot???

and no, it was some masc-ara'd man on a cbr250.....

if it's 'noisy' it could be him or me. But the 'prick' would only mean him :msn-wink:

Mine is larger than a prick :whistle:

[juzzer]

if it's 'noisy' it could be him or me. But the 'prick' would only mean him :msn-wink:

Mine is larger than a prick :whistle:

O Well, i'll just have to get a bigger noisier bike to conpensate for said "Little prick" :blip:

[boomer]

Who you calling a prick???:shutup:

[Gremlin]

Wouldn't be on the uphill sections by any chance?
yeah, that would be when I move left, seriously, I have tried. At 100+ I can't accelerate. In fact, coming back, there was that long climb, and I thought I had broken something.

Initially I thought I was slowing, the throttle was wide open, then chopped down a gear and managed to stay at the same speed... :blink: Another gear would give me more revs and nothing else :angry:


Bit ambisious aren't we? She giving it some from what I saw.
Yeah, she was going well, but I reckoned I could go faster at that point (other parts, she was faster, don't deny it). However, doing so would muck up her riding, make it more difficult for the both of us and generally cause strife. So I simply waited for my turn.

Mebe I didn't want to pass :msn-wink: (j/k)

[Karma]

Well as soon as I get my business off the ground I'm going to see if I can claim a ZX9R as a business expense and get some tax deductions on the go... need to look at some creative accounting.

[avgas]

NO NO NO NO NO NO, BAD MACHINE

[Speedracer]

I reckon just use indicators.

Bike A indicates, head check to make sure no one is in the passing lane.
Bike B is sitting behind bike A, sees indicators and waits for bike A to pass before passing bike A.
i.e. bike A gets priority if they both want to overtake at the same time.

When overtaking most of your concentration is going to be in front, so it makes sense to let the guy in front go first if they are indicating as much.

[dawnrazor]

Hi,

Lets say you're in a group ride where there's a bit of a riding pace differential between different members of a group.
This is sort of hard to explain so i've drawn a picture which shows what I mean.

Lets say that you're one of the 'faster' riders (bike B) and you pull up behind one of the slower riders (bike A) who is still faster than the car and is waiting for a good place to overtake the car.

Should bike B wait for bike A to overtake the car and then overtake the slower rider or should he just pass them both at the same time?

The reason I ask is I nearly saw a couple of high speed accidents yesterday due to bike A pulling out to overtake the car without realising that bike B was pulling out to overtake them both.

My view point was that the bike behind should wait untill the slower bike has passed and then pass the slower bike. Thats what i'd do if I were the faster bike unless the slower bike pulled to the left to let me through. Just seems a bit more curtious / safer that way. If I were the slower bike and couldn't find a good place to pass the car within a reasonable period, then i'd pull left to let the other bike through. However i'd expect the bike behind to give me a fair crack at overtaking the car first.

Is there a general guide line about this? I imagine its only gonna be a matter of time before theres a high speed collision otherwise.

Avoid riding in groups with slower riders unless your prepared to ride at their pace.
If you up the anti, the pressure is on the slower rider to stay in touch with you, which will make them ride beyond their abilities. The chances of the slower rider having an off, has just got a lot high and its partly your fault for raising the bar.
It can be argued that the slower rider doesn't have to go faster, but lets face it after the humiliation of being overtaken 9 out 10 slow riders are going to speed up, particul;arly if they don't know where they are going and are following the group.
Its kinda part of the thinking behind having novice, intermediate and expert groups at track days.

[Yokai]

As a slower rider, I'd appreciate it if the faster person waited for a roadcode safe place to overtake. I've put myself in the position of nearly killing myself by not having the power to overtake, and although it is MY fault that I want to try to keep up with a Hayabusa when I ride an SRV250, I know I am not alone in that... we tend to go "Oh - experienced person can do that, I can do that too!" rather than "Dang that's some power that bike has... I'll wait"