offensive genuine parts prices

[R1madness]

$409 for a chain. thats bad but can you beat $109 for a headlight bulb for FZR1000B?
Dam importers think they can fuc. you over with spare parts prices but it only costs them sales in the end. I refused to buy a New R6 after having to pay that for a bulb. No there is no option other than a genuine bulb for that model. Ended up importing a just used R1 for less money and never had to give any of it to yamaha nz. Now i import my own parts as well. HaHA they loose.
Cant be done.... Think about this.......
1988 FZR1000 Piston new genuine from NZ $165each 4 weeks wait
Rings to suit $145 per set 4 weeks wait.
Got on the net and ordered my own.......
Piston set (4 of), Ring Set (4 of ) gudion pins (4 of) freight included total price of $258 with 7 day delivery. All new in genuine boxes.
Now i know the dealers only make about 30% on genuine spares so its not their fault. So whose fault is it??????????????

[DingDong]

$409 for a chain. thats bad but can you beat $109 for a headlight bulb for FZR1000B?

...Now i know the dealers only make about 30% on genuine spares so its not their fault. So whose fault is it??????????????

Consumers (us) demand quality and we're prepared to pay for it, the manufactures get bulk parts at discount prices for the lastest and greatest and sell you your brand new 20k bike... when it breaks the manufactures of the bike get their suppliers to send your new part to you... but because you only want one... your gonna pay:angry: , because a 20k bike with no lights is not much use.
This is only my opinion tho

[R1madness]

Yep thats about it but there is a difference between making a profit and making a killing. I could forgive them if it cost me the same to buy it locally as it did direct from a yamaha dealer in japan but to be quoted 4 x the price is a bit much dont you think? I would even pay the rip off extra price without complaining if they had it in stock here in NZ. But how do they justify ripping us off and not having the stuff in stock or at least getting it here in the same time i can get it for myself....

[DingDong]

Yep thats about it but there is a difference between making a profit and making a killing. I could forgive them if it cost me the same to buy it locally as it did direct from a yamaha dealer in japan but to be quoted 4 x the price is a bit much dont you think? I would even pay the rip off extra price without complaining if they had it in stock here in NZ. But how do they justify ripping us off and not having the stuff in stock or at least getting it here in the same time i can get it for myself....

Understand that, ebay has a good selection... my mate gets parts from overseas due to this problem... maybe you could get into business... kiwibiker has a great number of potentual customers

[Bonez]

Buy an old shitter. Then buy a few old shitters to keep that ol shitter in ship shape. When you've used up those wrecks get another. Saves the planet ya know. :spudbn:

[T.W.R]

try this for size; my ZXR i'm currently rebuilding. i priced up numerous parts to replace worn or non reusable bits & the best one was 4 o-rings (18mm rubber) for the radiator feed tubes into the block : list price for the 4 of them was $21.75 thats $5.44 each !. needless to say i told the shop to shove them were the sun don't shine! shot down to the local engineering shop got the same o-rings for $0.55 each.

or the IT250 i had a few years back, new 2nd over-size piston & kit from yamaha was over $400. got a wiseco for $257

[2much]

$1238 for Triumph Daytona 600 nose cone.... Nuf said???

[SARGE]

its the same as buying that super wizzo printer from the electronics place.. then they rape you for the ink refills..

[Test Pilot]

I agree totaly parts are outragously overpriced. I just get stuff from the states as it is cheaper and you get a much better selection. You also gotta wonder how much the importers are making when i brought a spidi jacket on sale for $500 from a recognised bike shop and then went down the road to find the same jacket selling for $950 ripe off they all are, they think cause we dont have much choice they can all ripe us off

[Back Fire]

its the same as buying that super wizzo printer from the electronics place.. then they rape you for the ink refills..

Thats only cause you don't know where to go!! I can get a refill kit that is good for 3-5 refills for $30... and I can get carts. for less than refills shop normally refill a old ones once...

[SARGE]

Thats only cause you don't know where to go!! I can get a refill kit that is good for 3-5 refills for $30... and I can get carts. for less than refills shop normally refill a old ones once...


dont own a printer..

i have this neat new invention called a PEN.. its a portable eco friendly printer

anything i NEED to print.. i mail to work..

[Back Fire]

dont own a printer..

i have this neat new invention called a PEN.. its a portable eco friendly printer

anything i NEED to print.. i mail to work..

people your age know how to email?:blink:

[SARGE]

people your age know how to email?:blink:


yep.. people my age INVENTED email.. and road rage...and beating up skinny mouthy motherfuckers for thier pocket money :thud:

[Back Fire]

yep.. people my age INVENTED email.. and road rage...and beating up skinny mouthy motherfuckers for thier pocket money :thud:

You'd be hard pushed getting pocket money out of me... might aswell go and try and get blood from a stone.

BTW... I'm coming to pester you tomorow :2thumbsup

[Brian d marge]

Its takes 6 to 7 days from Japan to NZ , and a couple of day to come from the warehouse ..
If you give me the Kawasaki frame number and if its listed I can give you a quote ..though Zadok tried and I couldnt find the number ,,and me mate is on holiday till next week and him being the man who knows frame numbers,,,,,,
But for all else I just ring up the bike shop ..* I have a good one ,,he runs the local MX park ,,so doesnt make a profit on spares ,,and I mean Doesnt !!!!*

Me ..I bought an Enfield ,,,the prices for spares on those are ,,,,Dirt cheap ,,,

Gearbox LAyshaft ,,,75 dollars in stock,,,,Whole clutch drum ...115 dollars in stock
Cylinder head gasket copper ,,,5 dollars ,,as in FIVE dollars ( and its reusable to )

Me ,,,If I cant get a satifactory service ,,from a NZ supplier ,,,( and to date ,,,the only 2 reliable ones I have delt with are F1 Enginering..and The Enfield dealer in Auckland ,,,,Very Very good Service ,,,)..I deal over the internet ,,,America ,,charges to much for shipping ,,,,

So with a bit of Shopping around ,,this 4 weeks wait and ,,,,what ever ,,,shouldnt be a prob ...BTW parts books are available over the net ...I buy them cheap on Japan yahoo ,,,Yamaha ones are a bit pricy ,,for some reason

Stephen

[Lou Girardin]

Consumers (us) demand quality and we're prepared to pay for it, the manufactures get bulk parts at discount prices for the lastest and greatest and sell you your brand new 20k bike... when it breaks the manufactures of the bike get their suppliers to send your new part to you... but because you only want one... your gonna pay:angry: , because a 20k bike with no lights is not much use.
This is only my opinion tho

This isn't quite correct. Spare parts incur various holding costs that the parts used to build the bike don't. Then add all the margins the various middlemen want between the manufacturer and our little retailers in NZ. Plus just a slight amount of sexual violation rather than out and out rape, and you've got current pricing.
Some NZ distributors are worse than others though.

[Mattyc]

yep.. people my age INVENTED email.. and road rage...and beating up skinny mouthy motherfuckers for thier pocket money :thud:


Haha, Nice work Sarge

[tracyprier]

For my Beemer. 2 sets of front brake disc bobbins; aftermarket Italian-made ones from the UK, with shipping just under $100NZ. Genuine ones sourced here... $270!!! Guess where I got mine from???

[Sniper]

TonyB imports good gear at fantastic prices PM him or his alias MotoEquip

[vifferman]

Its takes 6 to 7 days from Japan to NZ , and a couple of day to come from the warehouse ..
If you give me the Kawasaki frame number and if its listed I can give you a quote ..though Zadok tried and I couldnt find the number ,,and me mate is on holiday till next week and him being the man who knows frame numbers,,,,,,
But for all else I just ring up the bike shop ..* I have a good one ,,he runs the local MX park ,,so doesnt make a profit on spares ,,and I mean Doesnt !!!!*

Me ..I bought an Enfield ,,,the prices for spares on those are ,,,,Dirt cheap ,,,

Gearbox LAyshaft ,,,75 dollars in stock,,,,Whole clutch drum ...115 dollars in stock
Cylinder head gasket copper ,,,5 dollars ,,as in FIVE dollars ( and its reusable to )

Me ,,,If I cant get a satifactory service ,,from a NZ supplier ,,,( and to date ,,,the only 2 reliable ones I have delt with are F1 Enginering..and The Enfield dealer in Auckland ,,,,Very Very good Service ,,,)..I deal over the internet ,,,America ,,charges to much for shipping ,,,,

So with a bit of Shopping around ,,this 4 weeks wait and ,,,,what ever ,,,shouldnt be a prob ...BTW parts books are available over the net ...I buy them cheap on Japan yahoo ,,,Yamaha ones are a bit pricy ,,for some reason

Stephen
What about commas - how much do you pay for those?
I'm guessing you buy them by the truckload.
If you like, I can help you get rid of them faster by showing you how to eat them with the [Del] and [Backspace] keys?

[Monsterbishi]

$115 for a fuel pump cradle gasket for my YZF750R, rather unique in it's design, so no generic copies available, I don't really mind though, considering how much bang for your buck our bikes are.

[kerryg]

.
Some NZ distributors are worse than others though.


Yeah.....like Triumph??

I know someone.... who knows someone..... who was the service manager at a certain large prestige car dealership and he said that parts are where the margins are. The cars don't have fat margins for the importers, so they gouge you on the parts. Sounds plausible.

[kerryg]

What about commas - how much do you pay for those?
I'm guessing you buy them by the truckload.
If you like, I can help you get rid of them faster by showing you how to eat them with the [Del] and [Backspace] keys?


You're a clever sarcastic bastard Vifferman. I think he's an English teacher too.......

[Lou Girardin]

I know someone.... who knows someone..... who was the service manager at a certain large prestige car dealership and he said that parts are where the margins are. The cars don't have fat margins for the importers, so they gouge you on the parts. Sounds plausible.

True. I've just heard what the margins are on our bikes. SFA!

[R1madness]

Its NOT the DEALERS (this time) at fault. MOST of them only charge list price on parts. Make a few price comparisums on genuine and see who is jacking up the price and dont deal with them.
Yes new bike margins are SFA its the trade in that can make the deal for a dealer...... if they can turn it over for a profit as well as move it before the 20th of the following month when they need to pay for the new one if they were lucky enough not to have had it in stock for long.

[R1madness]

However the IMPORTERS do have a decent margin in NEW BIKEs otherwise i could buy a NEW 2006 R1 for $18850including GST. Thats what i would have to pay list price (not discounted) if i purchased one in USA and added GST to that (yes that is converted into NZ dollars and uses todays exchange rate) so whats the extra $4000 for? Shipping???????

[Lou Girardin]

However the IMPORTERS do have a decent margin in NEW BIKEs otherwise i could buy a NEW 2006 R1 for $18850including GST. Thats what i would have to pay list price (not discounted) if i purchased one in USA and added GST to that (yes that is converted into NZ dollars and uses todays exchange rate) so whats the extra $4000 for? Shipping???????

Yeah yeah yeah, same old story. When our distributors can sell a gazillion bikes a year, they'll be able to buy and sell cheaper too.
Shit people, we live in a forgotten under-populated little island at the end of the world. Get used to it.

[Sniper]

In the end though, when there are no other places to go, we have to have our nuts squeezed in a vice and pay up. It sucks but the importers do control a shit load.

[Brian d marge]

What about commas - how much do you pay for those?
I'm guessing you buy them by the truckload.
If you like, I can help you get rid of them faster by showing you how to eat them with the [Del] and [Backspace] keys?
No the commas are free ! So are Full stops . The good thing about any language is you are free to with it what you want ,,,( theres a few more for your collection ,,,,)

Anyway Yes I am .... * Note changed to Full stops there * an English teacher. My Day Job is a Motorcycle Engineer. So that would make my complete lack quality control in the spelling grammer and the give a shit dept, quite an appaling crime against society .

To address the DEL and BackSpace issue, I would be Delighted as my computer is Japanese, therefore the keyboard being western the delete and backspace keys are not where they should be ...for example the @ mark it Shift 2 ,,,far removed from the single key it occupies on the left of said keyboard. So if you can Help me set up the keyboard I would in fact be delighted.

Finally. the point of your witty reposte was ??? ( well its mid week so why not use a few ? , I have a few Spare )
My post contained 3, yes 3 ! points
1 I would help anyone find out how much the spares were
2 I didnt buy Japanese and therefore save a bundle
3 Use the Internet and Shop around

Your post contained ( insert either commas or witty reply ) ?

Stephen

[kerryg]

Anyway Yes I am .... * Note changed to Full stops there * an English teacher.


Stephen

Mate, take a deep breath, I intended no offence, just taking the piss . Sorry if it got up your nose though...but perhaps you're being just a tad over-sensitive?

As for Vifferman giving you stick about your punctuation, he can speak for himself but I didn't see anything more than good-natured mickey-taking going on there...

[Brian d marge]

Stephen

Mate, take a deep breath, I intended no offence, just taking the piss . Sorry if it got up your nose though...but perhaps you're being just a tad over-sensitive?

As for Vifferman giving you stick about your punctuation, he can speak for himself but I didn't see anything more than good-natured mickey-taking going on there...

And mine was a good natured reply .................................................. ......................Weeeeeeeeee,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

_____________

Stephen
No offence taken at all .......

[kerryg]

And mine was a good natured reply .................................................. ......................Weeeeeeeeee,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

_____________

Stephen
No offence taken at all .......


Furry muff

[miSTa]

Back in May I priced a new set of camshafts and rocker arms (Kawasaki needs to get their act together when it comes to camshafts but that's another story) - $4500. I also got some prices from the USA and for $200 less than I was quoted here I could fly to the US and pick the required parts. Now that's stupid.

More recently I rebuilt my front brakes - $200 for 16 seals/o-rings. Still too expensive but given that it's the front brakes I'm happy to have them top notch.

[figjam]

Top cowling (nose cone) for the ZX-12:

Locally: around $2800
U.S.: between $377 and $483 (U.S. dollars) depending on where I buy it from.

O.K. so I will have to pay G.S.T. and freight, but tell me that's not a rip off.

[verticalkd]

hey guyz, if you need parts for yamaha, suzuki, aprilia, kawa and honda sports bikes, just email to me at verticalkd@yahoo.com.sg. i have no problem getting parts for my mc21 in singapore. same for my peers with the r1 and gixxers. if you need my help, just let me know. i acquire parts often from the dealers here.

verticalkd

[figjam]

Back in May I priced a new set of camshafts and rocker arms (Kawasaki needs to get their act together when it comes to camshafts but that's another story)

You're not kidding. I recently had to do the same for my ZZR250. I was quoted $449 each for the two cams and $108 each for the eight arms. I ended up sourcing second hand parts.

I'm starting to think Kawasaki have a real problem with soft cams. That's the second set to lose the hardening on the 250 (they seem to wear out at between 60 & 80k). There was also a problem with pitted cams at ridiculously low mileage on the early ZZR1200s. At least I know the cams are OK on the ZX-12R as of about 75k.

[R1madness]

You're not kidding. I recently had to do the same for my ZZR250. I was quoted $449 each for the two cams and $108 each for the eight arms. I ended up sourcing second hand parts.

I'm starting to think Kawasaki have a real problem with soft cams. That's the second set to lose the hardening on the 250 (they seem to wear out at between 60 & 80k). There was also a problem with pitted cams at ridiculously low mileage on the early ZZR1200s. At least I know the cams are OK on the ZX-12R as of about 75k.

Its been a problem for years :mad: . It started back in 1986 with the GPX750 (Yep i had one and it did it so did a mates both under 15000k). The real cure is (in our experiance) to run ONLY FULL SYNTHETIC MOTORCYCLE OIL :whistle: . We both did after replacing the cams and i know my old one is still running full synthetic and has 97000k and still running strong. Any brand you like is fine and you need to change it often (like 7500Km) and do the filter every time as well.

GRrrrrrr you would have thought they had it sorted by now but i dont want to buy a ZX10 only to have it happen to it. ZX10 riders out there has this been a problem? :doctor:

[Yokai]

I'd like to say that it is quality that counts, but my bike is so Frickin rare here that I have to buy the genuine parts... and Bloody hell is it costly... It actually saved me money to have the barrel of my petrol cap changed rather than get a new one...

Like I always say - anyone with cheap SRV250 parts or a direct line to a supplier in Japan that talks in English is my mate for life.

[miSTa]

Its been a problem for years :mad: . It started back in 1986 with the GPX750 (Yep i had one and it did it so did a mates both under 15000k). The real cure is (in our experiance) to run ONLY FULL SYNTHETIC MOTORCYCLE OIL :whistle: . We both did after replacing the cams and i know my old one is still running full synthetic and has 97000k and still running strong. Any brand you like is fine and you need to change it often (like 7500Km) and do the filter every time as well.

GRrrrrrr you would have thought they had it sorted by now but i dont want to buy a ZX10 only to have it happen to it. ZX10 riders out there has this been a problem? :doctor:

I don't know about that, I got my cams and rockers arms reground/resurfaced by Kelfords and was basically not that the cams are actually too hard and therfore brittle and not use full synthetic but semi-synthetic. Nick at PBS said to only use semi as well. At the end of the day buggered if I know, researching the problem on the web is also inconclusive.

[Brian d marge]

I don't know about that, I got my cams and rockers arms reground/resurfaced by Kelfords and was basically not that the cams are actually too hard and therfore brittle and not use full synthetic but semi-synthetic. Nick at PBS said to only use semi as well. At the end of the day buggered if I know, researching the problem on the web is also inconclusive.
Without the material of the cams at hand I am assuming they are chilled cast Iron, Cams suffer from differing types of Lubrication , from Hydrodynamic at the bearing face , to Boundry lubed at the nose of the cam, IF the wear on the cam was at the highest stressed point ie the nose then it would be boundry lubed, this means that the chemicals in the oil are doing the load carrying , ie the zinc or what ever they are using, The next load characteristic is Hertian contact ,,ie a load is placed on the same spot repeatedly, this causes the Softer material underneath to yield ( not 100 pecent about this as it goes complex real quick !!!) and you get pitting .

The comment about Semi synthetic may be down to the fact that you dont need the higher specs of a fully synthetic.? ( have heard of Pbs before and from what I hear , seems to know one end of a bike from another ,,,)

My guess is from reading the posts is that the seat pressures may have increased OR more likely the frequency of the loading ( not sure of the Rpm of the ZZR )

If there are any photos of the ZZR 250 cams that have failed i WOULD LOVE TO SEE ONE!

BTw for wear in components look up tribology !! thats the tech term for wear

Stephen
Sorry for the hijacking !!!

[TwoSeven]

Many models of ducati are notorious for worn cams (rockers) its because of the poor oil flow design some of the bikes have. End result is that a few bits that need oil, dont actually get any until a couple of minuites after the bike has been fired up.

The fix as I understand it is to use a heavy weight oil such as a 20/50 or similar such produce. It leaves a coating of old oil on the parts after the bike has stopped running, so its not stressed the next time its started.

Perhaps the ZZR has a similar problem with bad oil flow design. Otherwise its sounding more like crappy materials.

I really dont have a problem with hondas pricing of their parts. They can be expensive, but while rebuilding my old machine, i've learned quite a bit about why some of them are so expensive and why some are so cheap.

[miSTa]

Perhaps the ZZR has a similar problem with bad oil flow design.

Some of the early 1100's have a oil supply to #3 rod but otherwise nothing.

I know of someone in Auckland with a ZZR1200, think he had 20k on it when the camshafts were replaced under warranty. Dealer serviced as well.

Don't know, some do, some don't, but I'm inclined to say that it's a manufacturing fault.

[Paul in NZ]

Some of the early 1100's have a oil supply to #3 rod but otherwise nothing.

I know of someone in Auckland with a ZZR1200, think he had 20k on it when the camshafts were replaced under warranty. Dealer serviced as well.

Don't know, some do, some don't, but I'm inclined to say that it's a manufacturing fault.

Jeeze... Maybe I'll stick with my guzzi after all....

[R1madness]

I don't know about that, I got my cams and rockers arms reground/resurfaced by Kelfords and was basically not that the cams are actually too hard and therfore brittle and not use full synthetic but semi-synthetic. Nick at PBS said to only use semi as well. At the end of the day buggered if I know, researching the problem on the web is also inconclusive.
Yep fair enough. I just think that the extra cost for full synthetic can be justified if it can possibly help, and on bikes with known wear problems it is worth the extra. Just my opinion but it is based on over 20 years mechaninal experiance. Does Nick stock a full synthetic? I know several shops do not stock it because of the price and then when someone asks spacificly for it they say na mate you dont need that a semi will be fine :doh: . Now i am not saying this is the case with Nick as i have respect for his mechanical abilitys :2thumbsup but i suggest if your bike needs it or it is specified by the manufacturer you should spend the cash.......
oil oil oil ask 100 mechanics and you will get 100 different answers :bash:

[k14]

Talk about ripoff's, although I guess HRC can justify it seeing as the market is so small. $55 for a little rubber connection from my expansion chamber to the silencer for my RS. Its about 20mm in diameter and about 25mm long. Apparantly they used to cost about $70. Should have got a rubber bush and drilled it out.

Found a good site that stocks HRC parts from japan for about 40% or less of the cost over here, www.tsrworldwide.co.jp I think is the site.

[geoffm]

TonyB imports good gear at fantastic prices PM him or his alias MotoEquip

So he is MotoEquipe. Just got some LC pistons from him. Damn good value too. I will get another set in the start of the year for my other LC motor.
Geoff

[geoffm]

BMW parts are consistantly 30% more than the price from Germany. An example - fork staunchion for the K100RS - NZ price $800+GST each. www.siebenrock.de (top people) 173 euro = $300ish. $500 for the mirror and indicator assembly in NZ, $360 in Germany. US prices are closer to NZ
Second hand parts are non existant in NZ. Even in Australia, there is only one BMW wreckers. Any second hand parts are damn near new price. Ebay is the go if you are patient, especially if you have rellies or mates in the country of auction to recieve the goodies, for those that won't send overseas.
There is a lot to be said for having a common model with a good aftermarket parts supply.

[miSTa]

Does Nick stock a full synthetic?

Don't remember, haven't been there since May, I can only speculate


oil oil oil ask 100 mechanics and you will get 100 different answers

Ain't that the truth, not to mention the countless threads on other forums, actually all forums, that have a discussion on "what oil should I use?" :blink:

Edited to add: Despite my camshaft issues it wouldn't put me off buying another Kawasaki, and it should also be remembered no manufacturer is perfect i.e. Honda still cannot produce a trouble free charging system (that wouldn't put me off a Honda either)

[MotoEquip]

So he is MotoEquipe
So that WAS you! LOL
I've only seen this page, but I'll just carefully wade in here.
I don't think any (OK, many) people in NZ are out to rip us off. I believe it's just the combined problems of living in a country with a very small population that is a very long way from anywhere.

To offer good prices and still make a profit you must deal direct with the manufacturer. To do that and get a good price you must buy a lot of stock- trust me, it's expensive. To do THAT and still have any sort of range you need a large customer base. There isn't a single shop or chain in NZ that can afford to do this. So they buy from distributors. The distributors sell to a number of shops who each have a smallish customer base, adding up to a decent customer base for the distributor. The problem with this is that the distributor must add a decent markup to make a profit, and then the shop has to add it's own markup. So the customer ends up paying a artificially high price.

There is definitely some unrealistic pricing out there- like when I wanted a washable airfilter. One shop wanted $220 or so for a K&N.... Sport Zone Suzuki wanted $150 for the same thing. Whats up with THAT? I ended up doing some research and finding a stockist for BMC- $110 from Sport Zone Suzuki again Now I support them whenever I can. The other guy will never see my cash again. Thats about all you can do.