He's a COP? Must be from Hell's Angels...

[Beemer]

Interesting story on Stuff today...

Skinhead cop fronts satanic death metal band
20 November 2005
By JENNIFER DANN

A tattooed skinhead south Auckland policeman is the frontman for a satanic death metal band which calls for the "eradication of the weak and inferior".


Police Minister Annette King plans to ask the police commissioner for a report on Constable Rigel Walshe after receiving inquiries from the Sunday Star-Times. Walshe works as a court escort in the Counties Manukau police district.

The district was the subject of an inquiry into a "sick" police culture after the conviction in February of Senior Sergeant Anthony Solomona for assaulting a 17-year-old boy he photographed wearing a humiliating sign.

Walshe is the lead singer and bass player of extreme metal outfit Dawn of Azazel, which has an ultra-violent militarist image, featuring satanic symbols and lyrics.

Walshe and a bandmate brandish a beer bottle and baseball bat in a publicity photo posed in a pub setting.

Walshe told the Star-Times he'd been warned by his superiors not to discuss his job with the media.

The district's professional standards manager, Inspector Keith Brady, said police knew of Walshe's band membership, but refused to comment on whether it was appropriate.

"It involves a police member's personal life, and I'm not prepared to discuss that in the media. There has been no specific investigation in respect of his involvement in that band."

The band often headlines New Zealand metal gigs and is touring its second album Sedition with performances in New Plymouth and Palmerston North this weekend.

The album's song list includes titles such as Villany Endures (sic) and Violence and Uncleanliness.

The opening track Spare None contains references to "the embrace of sin", being "smitten with deeds of deviance", succumbing to "perversion and intercourse", and the enduring nature of "lechery and lust".

The band website quotes Walshe as saying: "I just wanted to create lyrics that accompany the feeling of the music, total unrestrained violence, but intelligent and thought out. I'm most f––ed off at people that are afraid to confront their fears, who waste their potential and just follow like sheep, basically the weak and f–-ing mediocre that infest our world."

He is quoted as telling Depth Charge magazine the band's militant stage presence, including uniforms, banners and gasmasks "represent a conviction that is a fight to the death against the inferior elements of humanity".

"There is nothing to be gained from a subtle approach to eradication of the weak".

The Metal Mania website says the band's performance at Riverhead in 2000 "climaxed in a 300+ person riot, the ensuing chaos leaving several injured and hospitalised".

National Party police spokesman Simon Power said police hierarchy needed to be satisfied the officer's extra-curricular activities did not bring the police into disrepute.

"The police are really always on duty and have an obligation to be role models," he said.

[avgas]

Oh give him a break...... yeh a cop is a role model...... while he is in he uniform.
Shit who wants to become a cop if they remove your personal life. Its hard enough to recruit new cops as the politics stands as it is.

[SPman]

We need a few more like him.....................?
The bands OK - but not that great - still prefer Sticky Filth!

Not a mate of Scumdogs, is he.......:lol:

[T.I.E]

Oh give him a break...... yeh a cop is a role model...... while he is in he uniform.
Shit who wants to become a cop if they remove your personal life. Its hard enough to recruit new cops as the politics stands as it is.

that is what being a cop is all about. when you sign up you waive some rights as a genweral memeber of the public and gain others.
at any time you are there for the government, and queen.

[Swoop]

Off duty & NOT wearing the uniform = do what you like.
If they want to claim that they are ALWAYS a cop, then they had better be paying them 24 hours per day!!!

[marty]

Off duty & NOT wearing the uniform = do what you like.
If they want to claim that they are ALWAYS a cop, then they had better be paying them 24 hours per day!!!

FUCK OFF!! according to many people on here, cops are cops, 24/7, and they shouldn't speed, swear, shoot things, or generally have fun.

[onearmedbandit]

I remeber some female officers posing nude/topless get raked over the coals. But I say leave him alone.

[Motu]

I don't care whether he's a Cop or not - he should be shot for playing crap music like that!

[hXc]

It's his choice what he does when not in uniform. As long as it isn't illegal then leave him alone.

If he wants to be in a satanic black metal band then let him be in a satanic black metal band. I have heard the band and personally don't like them. But I appreciate the music and I say good on them for getting out there and doing it. Too many people sit on their arses and say they aren't good enough or that's not for them. Well if being in a band isn't for you, then what the hell are you playing music for in the first place.

He's a cop. He's a musician. Nothing wrong with it. Let him live his life for fucks sakes!

[N4CR]

Hmm... I have met the person in question.

Nice guy, been at a few gigs with him and he plays and sings well, has a brother called Nigel.

I don't see what the fuss is really, they ain't the hardest and most evil band around, even soft compared to some other bands in terms of music and lyrics/ideolgies.

Everyone has something that is alternative in their life - this is one of them. I used to get weird looks being the 'computer geek death/black metal drummer guy' but have stopped being a computer geek as such (thanks to motorbikes).

Give him a chance is all I can say.

[Beemer]

How about giving ME a break, did I say anywhere that I gave a toss what this cop does in his personal life? I just said it was "interesting" that's all! If you read the story you will find it is the National Party police spokesperson who said police should be role models, not me! It wouldn't be my kind of music even if the guy was my best mate, but I quite like their idea of getting rid of the weak and inferior!

[spudchucka]

that is what being a cop is all about. when you sign up you waive some rights as a genweral memeber of the public and gain others.
at any time you are there for the government, and queen.
You don't waive any rights. You are however under considerably more scrutiny than other members of society.

[Lias]

We need more cops like Rigel imo.

[onearmedbandit]

Beemer, I don't think any of this was a personal attack on you, more so those in the media.

[Beemer]

Beemer, I don't think any of this was a personal attack on you, more so those in the media.

Um, I am in the media...

[onearmedbandit]

Um, I didn't know that. And I stand by what I said, no where did I see any personal attacks on yourself. The reason I say this is that you offered no opinion yourself on the issue, rather just posting some information.

[scumdog]

We need a few more like him.....................?
The bands OK - but not that great - still prefer Sticky Filth!

Not a mate of Scumdogs, is he.......:lol:

Never met the guy but good on him, at least he knows how to unwind a bit.

If 'they' carry on like this they'll probably make me shave my mo, cover my tats and tell my not to wear ear-rings or skull rings - and not to associate with dodgy people like Dangerous et al!:rofl: :killingme

[madboy]

The band website quotes Walshe as saying: "I just wanted to create lyrics that accompany the feeling of the music, total unrestrained violence, but intelligent and thought out. I'm most f––ed off at people that are afraid to confront their fears, who waste their potential and just follow like sheep, basically the weak and f–-ing mediocre that infest our world." They'll have to boot him out if he keeps having thoughts like that... just imagine if someone like him got into traffic? F***, they'd be having intelligent thoughts and not following like sheep everywhere, and what the hell will that do to the revenue stream?

Remember how many times they tell us "I don't make the laws, I'm just doing my job" ??

[erik]

Many of the laws in society are there to stop people taking advantage of each other or hurting each other. They're there to keep things fair and apply to everyone in society. Cops are expected to apply the law in an unbiased manner, treating everyone the same.

If this guy has such strong attitudes that in his private life he is encouraging "eradication of the weak and inferior" he doesn't seem like a suitable person to be a cop.
With such a strong attitude that he has to sing about it, it seems unlikely that he'll be able to leave it behind when he is on the job. If his attitudes affect him as a cop, he may be more likely to treat anyone he decides is "weak" or "inferior" a whole lot more harshly than those he sees as "strong".

[Dafe]

You get what you pay for!

[Lias]

Many of the laws in society are there to stop people taking advantage of each other or hurting each other. They're there to keep things fair and apply to everyone in society. Cops are expected to apply the law in an unbiased manner, treating everyone the same.

If this guy has such strong attitudes that in his private life he is encouraging "eradication of the weak and inferior" he doesn't seem like a suitable person to be a cop.
With such a strong attitude that he has to sing about it, it seems unlikely that he'll be able to leave it behind when he is on the job. If his attitudes affect him as a cop, he may be more likely to treat anyone he decides is "weak" or "inferior" a whole lot more harshly than those he sees as "strong".

Has anyone ever introduced you to an elementary theory, that has been proven right for thousands of years.. Its called "Might is Right"

[heavenly.talker]

I was disappointed to see the media roasting him on late night TV last night.
Cops who get youth culture are defintely needed!
Although that said is thrash metal still a part of youth culture?

I happened to catch all the ink and that was way cool! Yum!!!!

[Lias]

Although that said is thrash metal still a part of youth culture?

Metal aint dead in the youth market yet, but its definitly lost a hell of a lot of ground to cRAP in the last decade. Most "pop" metal is nu-metal like Korn, LimpBizkit, SOAD, Mudvayne etc which almost all of the metal purists look down on.

[Lou Girardin]

Oh give him a break...... yeh a cop is a role model...... while he is in he uniform.
Shit who wants to become a cop if they remove your personal life. Its hard enough to recruit new cops as the politics stands as it is.

It's what law enforcement is about, you no longer are an ordinary Joe.
This guy is hardly a poster boy for the Police force. But judging from some recent court reports, maybe he is.
And it is a 24/7 job. Cops can't ignore serious crime just because they're off duty.
If you're not prepared for this, don't apply.

[Motu]

On Radio Live this morning Devlin was talking to a Cop who did Elvis impersonations as a second job - he got the boot.But I think that was justified on the grounds of bad taste.Statanic headbashing rock is more socialy acceptable than dressing up as Elvis and singing Love Me Tender....

[Colapop]

I saw the young man in question being interviewed last night. He struck me as a very well thought out individual. I think if I was to be pulled over or needed the help of the Blue Boys then he'd be one I'd like to be there - regardless of the band he performs in. Hey the music is not in my taste but I don't give a flying f*ck. He not only does his job well enough but still has free thought and self expression. I reckon that if he can do that then it'd enhance his ability as a police officer.
He's got one hell of a lot of ink though aye? (not a bad thing)

[hXc]

Metal aint dead in the youth market yet, but its definitly lost a hell of a lot of ground to cRAP in the last decade. Most "pop" metal is nu-metal like Korn, LimpBizkit, SOAD, Mudvayne etc which almost all of the metal purists look down on.

I look at that list and would say that the only nu-metal group there is Limp Bizkit. But they could also be classed as rap-core, along the lines of Rage Against The Machine etc etc

Mudvayne, Korn and S.O.A.D are not nu-metal either. Yes, they are classed differently from Slipknot, Hatebreed, Meshugga(sp?) etc but they are not nu-metal.

Nu-metal as people know it are bands like Linkin Park and Blindspott etc etc

[scumdog]

It's what law enforcement is about, you no longer are an ordinary Joe.
This guy is hardly a poster boy for the Police force. But judging from some recent court reports, maybe he is.
And it is a 24/7 job. Cops can't ignore serious crime just because they're off duty.
If you're not prepared for this, don't apply.

Yep, ya can be a cop as long as: you don't have to too many tats, you don't like/play heavy metal, ya don't have too much facial hair, ya don't ride noisy Harleys, ya don't get drunk at rallies, ya don't get to involved with tokers, ya don't speed, ya don'y do wheelies, ya don't abuse plomkers, ya don't associate with dodgy buggers (sorry Dangerous), ya don't expect too many weekends off etc etc - but apart from that have fun eh?

Oh yeah, the 'good' pay makes up for all the above (Tui moment) yeah right!!!

[miSTa]

I heard about this guy a few weeks ago (heard him and his group on the axe attack). Good on him, and as long it doesn't it does interfere with his police work long may he continue.

[Constable Plod]

You don't waive any rights. You are however under considerably more scrutiny than other members of society.

Yes agree. And to make it worse not only are we under more scrutiny but we can effectively get convicted twice. Once in the public court system and then again internally. Even if there is no conviction in a public court you will still often face penalty in the internal enquiries.

I am not talking about stepping over the line but it certainly takes alot less evidence to prosecute us than it does a member of public.

I say leave him alone, he is doing it during his own time and he was not the one that bought attention to his day time job.

But remember a few years ago there was an Elvis impersonator that was made to leave.

[Swoop]

On Radio Live this morning Devlin was talking to a Cop who did Elvis impersonations as a second job - he got the boot.But I think that was justified on the grounds of bad taste.Statanic headbashing rock is more socialy acceptable than dressing up as Elvis and singing Love Me Tender....

I thought Elvis impersonators were banned under the Geneva Convention...
inhumane treatment aparently!:blip:

[Wolf]

On Radio Live this morning Devlin was talking to a Cop who did Elvis impersonations as a second job - he got the boot
That was done out of love - they wanted him to go and get a life and they didn't want his police work interfering with such an important (and in the case of an Elvis impersonator, URGENT) task, they'd've done the same if he'd been moonlighting as a mime...
:devil2:

[Lou Girardin]

Yep, ya can be a cop as long as: you don't have to too many tats, you don't like/play heavy metal, ya don't have too much facial hair, ya don't ride noisy Harleys, ya don't get drunk at rallies, ya don't get to involved with tokers, ya don't speed, ya don'y do wheelies, ya don't abuse plomkers, ya don't associate with dodgy buggers (sorry Dangerous), ya don't expect too many weekends off etc etc - but apart from that have fun eh?

Oh yeah, the 'good' pay makes up for all the above (Tui moment) yeah right!!!

You got it fella. Bein' the exception that makes the rule 'n all.

[Ixion]

I always thought that fine young man on the 'Heartbeat' program was an excellent example of what a motorbike cop should be like. I recommend that you take him as your exemplar, Mr Scumdog . You might want to see if you can trade that noisey motorcycle of yours in on one like he had, also

[Lou Girardin]

I always thought that fine young man on the 'Heartbeat' program was an excellent example of what a motorbike cop should be like. I recommend that you take him as your exemplar, Mr Scumdog . You might want to see if you can trade that noisey motorcycle of yours in on one like he had, also

Couldn't agree more.
It's said that the Police are the biggest gang in NZ, but do they have to look like it too?:confused:

[scumdog]

I always thought that fine young man on the 'Heartbeat' program was an excellent example of what a motorbike cop should be like. I recommend that you take him as your exemplar, Mr Scumdog . You might want to see if you can trade that noisey motorcycle of yours in on one like he had, also

Ok, I promise to mend my ways:nono:

[SPman]

Which ways?.....

[scumdog]

Which ways?.....

The Kahma Sutra ways....:blip:

[avgas]

that is what being a cop is all about. when you sign up you waive some rights as a genweral memeber of the public and gain others.
at any time you are there for the government, and queen.
Bullshit. Some of us work cos we need the money.
Cops arent members of public media, so therefore they arent mainstream role models. You CHOOSE to be a wanker 24/7, its not your job description.

[mstriumph]

The Kahma Sutra ways....:blip:

on a BIKE???????? :lol:

[NotaGoth]

Shall we start hunting down cops who rap bout their bitches and hoes? Raping people and passing on STD's? :blink:


I reckon good on the guy, doing what he does. Cop or not. "Who cares"

[scumdog]

on a BIKE???????? :lol:

Ya have to be careful...VERY careful.... (and flexible - oh and it's best not to be riding the bike whilst going 'it')

[mstriumph]

Ya have to be careful...VERY careful.... (and flexible - oh and it's best not to be riding the bike whilst going 'it')

:msn-wink: yeah yeah ....... let's see the photographic evidence please!!

[scumdog]

:msn-wink: yeah yeah ....... let's see the photographic evidence please!!

Dang!! kicked the camera tripod over while in the throes of ecstacy!!:blip: :whistle: