90% of used car dealers are scum

[WINJA]

I ORDERED MY CAR LAST WED , GAVE THEM TILL FRIDAY TO RECTIFY A SMALL LIST OF PROBLEMS WHICH THEY AGREED TO DO BY FRIDAY , I MADE IT QUITE CLEAR GOT HIM TO MAKE A LIST AND GIVE ME A COPY.THEY SAID 3PM THIS CAR WILL BE READY TO DRIVE OUT OF HERE,COME FRIDAY IS IT READY NO ,THEY SAID MONDAY , I TURN UP TODAY AFTER THEY CALL ME AND ITS STILL NOT DONE , I SAID SEE YA AND FORGET IT , THEY SAID ITS ALREADY REGISTERED IN MY NAME , I TOLD THEM TO STICK IT UP THEIR ARSE AND DEREGISTER IT , THEY COST ME $300 IN LOST WAGES TRYING TO PICK IT UP FROM THEM , WHY IS IT EVERY USED CAR SALESMAN IVE EVER MET ARE LYING CHEATING BASTARDS. THE YARDS I WENT TO THEY SAID ALL THE CARS HAVE BEEN FULLY SERVICED BEFORE BEING PUT UP FOR SALE , ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT , I CAUGHT ABOUT 5 OF THEM IN A LIE IN ONE DAY ALONE.
MORONS

[NhuanH]

what are the last 10% W?

[WINJA]

what are the last 10% W?
IM HOPING THEIR NORMAL , IVE ONLY MET SHIT ONES , BUT SOME MUST BE NORMAL REASONABLE PEOPLE

[Skyryder]

I ORDERED MY CAR LAST WED , GAVE THEM TILL FRIDAY TO RECTIFY A SMALL LIST OF PROBLEMS WHICH THEY AGREED TO DO BY FRIDAY , I MADE IT QUITE CLEAR GOT HIM TO MAKE A LIST AND GIVE ME A COPY.THEY SAID 3PM THIS CAR WILL BE READY TO DRIVE OUT OF HERE,COME FRIDAY IS IT READY NO ,THEY SAID MONDAY , I TURN UP TODAY AFTER THEY CALL ME AND ITS STILL NOT DONE , I SAID SEE YA AND FORGET IT , THEY SAID ITS ALREADY REGISTERED IN MY NAME , I TOLD THEM TO STICK IT UP THEIR ARSE AND DEREGISTER IT , THEY COST ME $300 IN LOST WAGES TRYING TO PICK IT UP FROM THEM , WHY IS IT EVERY USED CAR SALESMAN IVE EVER MET ARE LYING CHEATING BASTARDS. THE YARDS I WENT TO THEY SAID ALL THE CARS HAVE BEEN FULLY SERVICED BEFORE BEING PUT UP FOR SALE , ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT , I CAUGHT ABOUT 5 OF THEM IN A LIE IN ONE DAY ALONE.
MORONS

Do you ever have a good day Winj. Seems that if it is not one thing pissing you off it's another. Perhaps it's your attitude. Maybe they say here comes this dick all full of shit and mouthing off to all and sundry. Let's give him something to mouth off about. Get used to the idea that the world does not revolve around you. It revolves around me. :banana:

Skyryder

[FROSTY]

well ya silly plonker--ya diddn't call ME didya??
Im guessing the car yard diddnt keep in touch about progress.
Personally i will NEVER promise a car delivery time/date when the situation isn;t totally in my control--If theres work to be done then you are controlled by the mechanic/sparky and by his suppliers getting the parts on time etc.
Diddn't they offer ya a car to drive till your ones ready??
diddnt they call you to advise there was a delay??
If ya diddn't give em a deposit any contracts not worth the paper its written on.

[scumdog]

Just sounds like a lot of the public too......:doh:

[mikey]

you should take a car otu for test drive from them an do some donuts in front of the donut house. then the cops will run out an take the car for a few months, an you dont get arrested! if you get away. an go past heaps of speed cameras with dealer plate on.

[scumdog]

IM HOPING THEIR NORMAL , IVE ONLY MET SHIT ONES , BUT SOME MUST BE NORMAL REASONABLE PEOPLE

YoU cAn TeLl ThEm By ThEiR uNpAiNtEd RoOfS!!!!:blink:

[WINJA]

well ya silly plonker--ya diddn't call ME didya??
Im guessing the car yard diddnt keep in touch about progress.
Personally i will NEVER promise a car delivery time/date when the situation isn;t totally in my control--If theres work to be done then you are controlled by the mechanic/sparky and by his suppliers getting the parts on time etc.
Diddn't they offer ya a car to drive till your ones ready??
diddnt they call you to advise there was a delay??
If ya diddn't give em a deposit any contracts not worth the paper its written on.
NOPE THEY NEVER CALLED , THEY ALSO HAD AMPLE TIME , AND THE SMALL DENT THEY WERE MEANT TO GET FIXED LOOKS WORSE .
AND NO I WONT SEE YOU FROSTY , NOW I KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE A GIRL IN A GAY BAR BEING HIT ON BY STRAIGHT GUYS

[scumdog]

you should take a car otu for test drive from them an do some donuts in front of the donut house. then the cops will run out an take the car for a few months, an you dont get arrested! if you get away. an go past heaps of speed cameras with dealer plate on.

Just need to beat the Unlawful Taking rap, sustained loss of traction etc etc, still, it's all good clean fun eh?

[FROSTY]

HoW DyaKnOw My rOofS UnpaIntEd ??

[WINJA]

Do you ever have a good day Winj. Seems that if it is not one thing pissing you off it's another. Perhaps it's your attitude. Maybe they say here comes this dick all full of shit and mouthing off to all and sundry. Let's give him something to mouth off about. Get used to the idea that the world does not revolve around you. It revolves around me. :banana:

Skyryder
I HAVE LOTS OF GOOD DAYS , AND MY MONEY SPENDS JUST AS WELL AS ANYONES AND NOW THEY WONT SEE A CENT.

[FROSTY]

well more fool them --mind you when ya have a list a mile long and wanna pay 500 bucks--wadda ya expect.

[scumdog]

I HAVE LOTS OF GOOD DAYS , AND MY MONEY SPENDS JUST AS WELL AS ANYONES AND NOW THEY WONT SEE A CENT.

Ya try too hard - never would dream of wasting $300 to TRY and get a car, must be pretty flash???

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah, I'm scum as well. And now I manage all the other scum, kind of like King Of Scum.

Oh yeah, that 'full service' line. You know if we get caught out the question is, 'so if I got it fully serviced you'd buy the car today, right now?'

[Virago]

.........THEY COST ME $300 IN LOST WAGES TRYING TO PICK IT UP FROM THEM........
$300 in lost wages - did you take the whole week off????:lol:

[WINJA]

Yeah, I'm scum as well. And now I manage all the other scum, kind of like King Of Scum.

Oh yeah, that 'full service' line. You know if we get caught out the question is, 'so if I got it fully serviced you'd buy the car today, right now?'
SO THATS A STANDARD LIE THEN

[WINJA]

well more fool them --mind you when ya have a list a mile long and wanna pay 500 bucks--wadda ya expect.
IT WASNT A CHEAP CAR AND THE REPAIRS WERE MINOR AND AGREED IN WRITING TO BE DONE AND BY A CERTAIN TIME. THEY HAD 3 DAYS TO DO LESS THAN A DAYS WORK , IT DOESNT HELP WHEN THEY LEAVE IT ALL TO THE LAST MINUTE

[FROSTY]

well WINJA wot can I say. That particular dealer on that day dropped the ball -and it cost the dealership a sale and the salesman possibly a job.
If i sell a car with conditions attached and its time critical I make it 100% clear I cannot promise a delivery time/date. We resolve the issue there and then in the office.My customers pay a deposit and if I can't be certain I can meet their time expectations they are offered a drive car to stop them being inconvenienced.
You mentioned a "little dent' -So dingbusters would have been used and it sounds like it was messed up -The car then needs to go to a panelbeater and be fixed properly -1-3 days by the time its repaired,primed and painted.
The -If i service it will you buy it? line is NOT a lie its a QUESTION.
Again though -define a "full service" --is that ,plugs,oil,oil filter? or is it end to end of the car.--a full service takes at least half a day.

[Lou Girardin]

Just sounds like a lot of the public too......:doh:

Thin ice here Scummy, what's with the death metal playing, tat covered, skinhead cop who promotes the elimination of the weak.
Is he up for Commissioner?

[scumdog]

Thin ice here Scummy, what's with the death metal playing, tat covered, skinhead cop who promotes the elimination of the weak.
Is he up for Commissioner?

And the problem with the above guys comments is????

[SARGE]

And the problem with the above guys comments is????


not seeing one personally...

[Swoop]

To all the car dealers out there...
Do you ask to see a drivers licence before a purchase of said motorcar happens???
Why I ask is because speaking with a dealer mate, he reports that a hell of a lot of people (including some of our new migrants) walk in and buy a car without having a drivers licence.
The culture of the dealers is "if I refuse to sell a vehicle then they will walk next door and purchase from the next dealer - and I loose a sale". ALL DEALERS should be adhering to this, but all it takes is one who dosen't and the whole law falls apart.
We keep complaining about the standards of kiwi driving, when a good percentage of the people on our roads shouldn't be on them in the first place.
SOLUTION? Better policing and better judges to enforce.
BONUS: less cars and congestion on roads, higher usage of public transport.

5c less in pocket now! (soon to be 10c...)

[Coyote]

You should take a car out for test drive from them and do some donuts in front of the donut house. Then the cops will run out an take the car for a few months, an you dont get arrested! if you get away. an go past heaps of speed cameras with dealer plate on.
The dealers won't worry about losing your money but if you ever made them lose their money by doing such stuff they will stop at nothing to take that money back from you. It isn't worth it as more often than not the buisness wins. That's the way National and Labour have made it.

[EDIT] This doesn't include all dealers of course, only the many around that do seem to be raping you of your money anyway they can

[Ixion]

Could be lots of valid reasons for someone without a license buying a car. No legal requirement for car buyer to have a licence.

Business owner, no licence himself, buys car to be driven by employee.
Someone pranged car, lost licence, buys new car, wife (or whoever) going to drive them round in it till they get their licence back
Youngster buying car (maye funded by Mum and Dad) as incentive to get licence (works, car sitting in garage makes kid real keen to pass test).
Or, even simpler, no licence, need car to learn. Friend will teach them once they have car . (Not saying friend teaching is a good idea, but it's not illegal)

Bottom line, salesman has to look at bottom line - and it's not a legal requirement for a car buyer to have a licence. Might be a bit dodgier if the salesman arranges insurance but.

[onearmedbandit]

Swoop, impossible to rego a car off it's MR2a, or even do a change of ownership without a current drivers licence. Although if the dealer was shonky they could register it into their own, or someone else's, name. But then the repucussions come back on that person. Even a current o/seas licence will do. I manage a high turnover yard in Chch, we see a lot of o/seas drivers and never have a problem with rego.

Alarumba, we do worry about losing a customers money, shit it's how we pay the bills. In our company we try to under promise and over deliver, but sometimes things happen. We always express to customers this, keep them up to date etc.

And one of the oldest sayings in the industry.

BUYERS ARE LIARS.

Honestly, people say car dealers are scum. 90% of the time when someone wants to trade their car it's because there is something wrong with it. But do they tell you when trading it. No. It's the old 'Nah mate, best one in town, never spent a dime on it'. How about after spending hours, maybe a couple of days negotiating with a client, you've qualified them, found the right car, reached a deal. Put them through to finance and what do you, bad credit, so bad that even if Bill Gates went on the deal with them it would still be declined. Believe me, the public make this game very challenging for us.

But all in all, there are a lot of decent customers out there that make the job worth it. Oh yeah, and the money.

[idb]

90%?
Is there a 10% tolerance?
That would mean that 100% might be scum but the top 10% are allowed to get away with it. We just don't know!
Is there some discretion so that sometimes a greater than 10% tolerance is allowed, then more than 100% of dealers would be scum.
What if the tolerance is reduced to 3% for Public Holidays? Would there be more honest car dealers during those times?
The issues should be debated!!!

[onearmedbandit]

We are all scum, but you keep coming back......

[Lou Girardin]

And thank you to Scummy Goering und Oberfeldwebel Dallas.:ar15: :thud:

[idb]

We are all scum, but you keep coming back......
Scene - smoko room at car dealers

Half a dozen dealers standing in a circle, rubbing hands together and all saying "Mwahahahahahaha....mwahahahahahaha....etc"

[Lou Girardin]

Swoop, impossible to rego a car off it's MR2a, or even do a change of ownership without a current drivers licence.

And one of the oldest sayings in the industry.
BUYERS ARE LIARS.

.

No it isn't, I could register a vehicle into a false name right now.
And the number of vehicles I see registered without an address would surprise you too.

Buyers are liars - salesmen are worse. (I'm a salesman, I can say this):blip:

[Ixion]

You don't need a driver's licence to rego or transfer . You do need something that (purportedly) proves identity. Passport is accepted, various ID cards (as used in more totalitarian countries) will do, others probably depending on how hard you argue. Must have Name, date of Birth, and signature.

No requirement at all to prove address. Only problem with giving a completely false address is you won't get the papers they mail you.

[scumdog]

And thank you to Scummy Goering und Oberfeldwebel Dallas.:ar15: :thud:

Well SOMEBODY has to be a counter to all the bleeding heart soft-cock homosexual-whale saving tree-hugging anti-gun pinko liberal environmental hand-wringing swooning whingers out there:lol: :banana:



As well as the other wrapped in cotton wool types!!

[Ixion]

How do they tell if the whale is homosexual?

[idb]

How do they tell if the whale is homosexual?
He's always hanging around the buoys?

[enigma51]

Winja you are becoming a bit of a softy mate only 90% thats out of character for you.

[Lou Girardin]

Well SOMEBODY has to be a counter to all the bleeding heart soft-cock homosexual-whale saving tree-hugging anti-gun pinko liberal environmental hand-wringing swooning whingers out there:lol: :banana:
As well as the other wrapped in cotton wool types!!

So that means when you perf you'll be considered weak and eliminated.

BTW. Take the cotton wool away and let us speeeeed.

[scumdog]

He's always hanging around the buoys?

You're on a roll today eh Ian?

[The Stranger]

Fark this assults my sensibilities. I find myself agreeing with Winja more and more. I need help.


BUYERS ARE LIARS

So there it is aye.
All the justification you need. No worries sleeping at night now cause you are only doing unto them.



Honestly, people say car dealers are scum. 90% of the time when someone wants to trade their car it's because there is something wrong with it. But do they tell you when trading it.

Again more justification for your dealer lies. Maybe a lot of them have little or no mechanical knowledge. Some (most) people aren't into cars and motors and oil and shit. Many cars come from japan sans owners manuals (or with japanese ones) do the dealers bother to get a readable one? No.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

[idb]

You're on a roll today eh Ian?
Some would say otherwise I'm sure.

[scumdog]

So that means when you perf you'll be considered weak and eliminated.

BTW. Take the cotton wool away and let us speeeeed.

Too old to perf so no worries!!:2thumbsup

And speed all you want - just don't get caught too often eh?

[The Stranger]

Well SOMEBODY has to be a counter to all the bleeding heart soft-cock homosexual-whale saving tree-hugging anti-gun pinko liberal environmental hand-wringing swooning whingers out there:lol: :banana:



As well as the other wrapped in cotton wool types!!

Let's face it Scummy knows about this stuff.
He helps to uphold the above standards on our behalf.

[onearmedbandit]

Lou and Ixion, sorry yes you're right, passport will suffice.

[onearmedbandit]

Fark this assults my sensibilities. I find myself agreeing with Winja more and more. I need help.


So there it is aye.
All the justification you need. No worries sleeping at night now cause you are only doing unto them.


Again more justification for your dealer lies. Maybe a lot of them have little or no mechanical knowledge. Some (most) people aren't into cars and motors and oil and shit. Many cars come from japan sans owners manuals (or with japanese ones) do the dealers bother to get a readable one? No.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.


Not justification, just balancing the arguement in this one sided debate. And in the ten yrs I've been involved in tis industry I have never once acted to decieve a customer, not once. hand on heart. But the number of times I've had it tried on me by the public, countless, every day in fact. But that doesn't affect my attitude, I still come to work hoping to do the best I can for my clients. The satisfaction you get from helping someone into their next vehicle makes the job worth it. I pride myself on my aftersales service, even helping clients when I'm not obliged to, because it makes good business sense.

See I'm in tis game for the long haul, I want to sell to sell again. There will always be liars, bad eggs if you will in any given industry. Just in this one it is very easy to make a lot of money. Even easier if you have no morales.

[Biff]

How do they tell if the whale is homosexual?

It pays a little too much attention to four-skin divers and seamen?

[Swoop]

All this talk of dodgy car dealers, etc...
I would value the opinion of Arthur Daly at this point:whistle:

[Waylander]

Here is my question. WHy the hell are you buying a cage? Buy another bke mate, then you only have to worry about dodgy bke salesmen(and women)

Not sure if it was posted earlier and couldn't be botherd reading the whole thread.

[onearmedbandit]

Some of us need a car to carry out day to day activities. Wish I didn't wish I could just ride the bike. But you know, we don't always get it our way.

[SPman]

He's always hanging around the buoys?

with a soft-cock, apparently......................:blink:

[badlieutenant]

I put a thread up earlier this year about the help frosty gave my mum (ultimately me, in that I kept my sanity) in buying her car. In short he went sofar as to sell another dealers car and then deleted his commision so that my mum was able to afford it.
Toni gave both of us the impression that he actually liked the challenge of finding the right car for the right price. Quickly identified my mums back problem and tried an off the wall suggestion. My mum stopped stressing (WHO decides to buy a car in one afternoon on a friday in auckland ??) and I could relax.
I actually enjoyed driving the lexus back up north.
So I know one dealer I can trust

[marty]

Here is my question. WHy the hell are you buying a cage? Buy another bke mate, then you only have to worry about dodgy bke salesmen(and women)



cause he can't find a gixxer with trainer wheels?

[The_Dover]

cause he can't find a gixxer with trainer wheels?

Apparently Suzuki are working on a prototype just for me....:doh:

[WINJA]

well WINJA wot can I say. That particular dealer on that day dropped the ball -and it cost the dealership a sale and the salesman possibly a job.
If i sell a car with conditions attached and its time critical I make it 100% clear I cannot promise a delivery time/date. We resolve the issue there and then in the office.My customers pay a deposit and if I can't be certain I can meet their time expectations they are offered a drive car to stop them being inconvenienced.
You mentioned a "little dent' -So dingbusters would have been used and it sounds like it was messed up -The car then needs to go to a panelbeater and be fixed properly -1-3 days by the time its repaired,primed and painted.
The -If i service it will you buy it? line is NOT a lie its a QUESTION.
Again though -define a "full service" --is that ,plugs,oil,oil filter? or is it end to end of the car.--a full service takes at least half a day.
THE STICKER ON THE WINDOW SAID IT HAD JUST BEEN SERVICED , THE SALESMAN SAID IT HAD BEEN SERVICED YET THE ENGINE OIL AND FILTER WERENT CHANGED

[WINJA]

Winja you are becoming a bit of a softy mate only 90% thats out of character for you.
TRYING TO BE TACTFULL , I DIDNT WANT TO OFFEND OAB ETC , BUT FROSTYS IN THAT 90% AND ILL KICK HIM IN THE COCK NEXT TIME I SEE HIM

[WINJA]

Here is my question. WHy the hell are you buying a cage? Buy another bke mate, then you only have to worry about dodgy bke salesmen(and women)

Not sure if it was posted earlier and couldn't be botherd reading the whole thread.
ITS ACTUALLY A VAN , AND AS FOR BIKES A K3 GIXXER 1000 AND A STREET MAGIC IS MORE THAN ENOUGH BIKES FOR MOST PEOPLE.

[WINJA]

Honestly, people say car dealers are scum. 90% of the time when someone wants to trade their car it's because there is something wrong with it.
WELL GENERALLY TRADING UP IMPLIES YOU WANT SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY , IF THE CAR WAS OK AND THEY WERE SATISFIED YOUD HAVE HALF THE SALES YOU HAVE NOW

[Mumbles]

I ORDERED MY CAR LAST WED , GAVE THEM TILL FRIDAY TO RECTIFY A SMALL LIST OF PROBLEMS WHICH THEY AGREED TO DO BY FRIDAY , I MADE IT QUITE CLEAR GOT HIM TO MAKE A LIST AND GIVE ME A COPY.THEY SAID 3PM THIS CAR WILL BE READY TO DRIVE OUT OF HERE,COME FRIDAY IS IT READY NO ,THEY SAID MONDAY , I TURN UP TODAY AFTER THEY CALL ME AND ITS STILL NOT DONE , I SAID SEE YA AND FORGET IT , THEY SAID ITS ALREADY REGISTERED IN MY NAME , I TOLD THEM TO STICK IT UP THEIR ARSE AND DEREGISTER IT , THEY COST ME $300 IN LOST WAGES TRYING TO PICK IT UP FROM THEM.

Lesson learned, note to self: "Never buy a car off ya own mum!":bash:
GOD who new... screwed over by ya own mother... thats harsh man.

Looks like you got the last laugh though ... :blip:

[boomer]

:whistle:
Apparently Suzuki are working on a prototype just for me....:doh:

this one? although you'll note that they can't keep this on teh road either



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[FROSTY]

THE STICKER ON THE WINDOW SAID IT HAD JUST BEEN SERVICED , THE SALESMAN SAID IT HAD BEEN SERVICED YET THE ENGINE OIL AND FILTER WERENT CHANGED
Hang on a minute--You are pulling my chain aincha??
Either A --the dealer is a complete fuckwit -Ie He's committed FRAUD
or B Its a fucking DIESEL -You can stand over the guy as he puts the clean oil in and 2 seconds after ya start the thing the oil will be black again.
ANYHOO WINJA --You dont have a fucking clue what kinda car dealer I am cos ya have never bought a car from me. Talk to anybody that has

[WINJA]

ANYHOO WINJA --You dont have a fucking clue what kinda car dealer I am cos ya have never bought a car from me. Talk to anybody that has
IM BEEN GIVING YOU SHIT SINCE 1988 FROSTY , DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO STOP NOW

[ManDownUnder]

IM BEEN GIVING YOU SHIT SINCE 1988 FROSTY , DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO STOP NOW

Hey FROSTY, sounds like Whinge is the founding member of your loyalty program :niceone:

Let me guess - get enough points and he gets his roof painted? :blink:

[FROSTY]

FUCK WINJA __DYA REALLY WANT TO ADMIT KNOWING ME THAT LONG????
BUY MY CAR YOU FUCKA

[WINJA]

Lesson learned, note to self: "Never buy a car off ya own mum!":bash:
GOD who new... screwed over by ya own mother... thats harsh man.

Looks like you got the last laugh though ... :blip:
ACTUALLY I GOT IT TO SCREW YOUR MOTHER , UNFORTUNATELY I HAD TO BUY A TRUCK AND PUT A CUSTOM MADE SEAT IN THE BACK JUST TO FIT THE FAT BITCH IN THE BACK , THE THINGS WE DO TO COP A FEEL HUH

[WINJA]

FUCK WINJA __DYA REALLY WANT TO ADMIT KNOWING ME THAT LONG????
BUY MY CAR YOU FUCKA
TO LATE I GOT IT NOW .
THEY CALLED ME BACK , APOLOGIZED HEAPS AND SWEETENED THE DEAL .
I CANT COMPLAIN ANY MORE CAUSE I FEEL THEY TOOK GENUINE STEPS TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION .
THE MANAGER EVEN CAME OUT TO SEE ME AND SAY SORRY WHEN I TURNED UP .
I HAVE A FEELING THE SALESMEN FIGHT EACHOTHER AND TRY TO FUCK EACHOTHERS SALE

[The_Dover]

TO LATE I GOT IT NOW .
THEY CALLED ME BACK , APOLOGIZED HEAPS AND SWEETENED THE DEAL .
I CANT COMPLAIN ANY MORE CAUSE I FEEL THEY TOOK GENUINE STEPS TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION .
THE MANAGER EVEN CAME OUT TO SEE ME AND SAY SORRY WHEN I TURNED UP .
I HAVE A FEELING THE SALESMEN FIGHT EACHOTHER AND TRY TO FUCK EACHOTHERS SALE

Winja you soft cunt!! So, how'd they sweeten the deal??? Throw in their Mum with the truck? I hope ya made them weep...

[WINJA]

Winja you soft cunt!! So, how'd they sweeten the deal??? Throw in their Mum with the truck? I hope ya made them weep...
CHEAPER AND A ROOF RACK . IM A SUCKER FOR APOLOGYS , SAME AS I HOLD NOTHING AGAINST IL4/JOHNNY ROTTEN FOR RED REPING ME TO DEATH AFTER HE APOLOGIZED

[SixPackBack]

WINJA'S soft?:blink: loosing the testosterone and moving onto Viagra!

[Indiana_Jones]

There are bad dealers, there are good dealers and then there's Frosty...


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