Speed Camera - In Ya Face

[simo]

The cops have just advise that the 10km buffer over 50 and 100kms will be removed, you will now get sent a tax collection notice at 51kms and 101kms respectively, trying to ride 1000cc bikes with 180bhp and digital speedometers is going to get real interesting this is the link:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10356006

[bugjuice]

'The police advice indicates the 10km/h tolerance policy police have operated since 2000 will be removed.'
so is that bit for sure then?
what happened to the tolerance/error of mechanical measuring devices?

[justsomeguy]

So I guess the L'plates wont be the only plates "falling off" this summer.

[Dafe]

As the article indicated, This has been a proposal placed forward to Annette King. I don't think we will see it happen. It would be too rediculous!

[simo]

As the article indicated, This has been a proposal placed forward to Annette King. I don't think we will see it happen. It would be too rediculous!

The measuring I am sure is going to be a problem, however, don't under estimate new technologies here, take you average $500 laser rangefinder, it's very accurate and reliable, imagine if they spend tens of thousands on more hi-tech stuff, well they do have a good chance of making the 51 clicks stand up in court

[Waylander]

I don't think there is anyone in the country that does not go 10 over the limit. Except for who ever I get stuck behind when I come to that section of cable barrier on SH1 on my bi-weekly trips...:bash:

[Motu]

Oh dear oh me - what did people do before 2000? Maybe they didn't speed waaaay back then....

[scumdog]

The cops have just advise that the 10km buffer over 50 and 100kms will be removed, you will now get sent a tax collection notice at 51kms and 101kms respectively, trying to ride 1000cc bikes with 180bhp and digital speedometers is going to get real interesting this is the link:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10356006

Whoop-de-doo, just buy an 80cc bike if you don't have the self control to keep the speed down (when suitable) on your 'big' bike.
Too much Bundaberg

[Brett]

meh, you only need to slow down if heading with your back to the camera...otherwise no plates on the front:yes:

For now...

[Waylander]

meh, you only need to slow down if heading with your back to the camera...otherwise no plates on the front:yes:

For now...
Shut up man!!! don't give them any ideas.....

[scumdog]

meh, you only need to slow down if heading with your back to the camera...otherwise no plates on the front:yes:

For now...

You can ride backwards?????

[The Stranger]

So apparently have a target of 300 road deaths.
Why 300?
How did they arrive at that figure as an acceptable number of deaths?
Does it somehow make the world ok if only 300 people die on the roads?

[scumdog]

I don't think there is anyone in the country that does not go 10 over the limit. Except for who ever I get stuck behind when I come to that section of cable barrier on SH1 on my bi-weekly trips...:bash:

No, - but those who want to go over the 10kph limit are more cunning than the losers that whinge on this site about they have been done wrong....

[Sniper]

So apparently have a target of 300 road deaths.
Why 300?
How did they arrive at that figure as an acceptable number of deaths?
Does it somehow make the world ok if only 300 people die on the roads?


Why don't they set limitations on the 300 who are supposedly going to die. For example, measure the IQ of speeding drivers and if it falls under 25 then take them out back and "dispose" of them.

"Now how many members in parliments? 300 you say? Well............"

[Grahameeboy]

Well the Govt needs every vote it can get now so maybe that is the incentive!!!

[Fryin Finn]

It was recently reported that speeding offences had reduced significantly. Taking away the 10 km cap will restore more funds. It's outrageous that the government would use the excuse for all those dead people to make more money. Vote em out.

[Grahameeboy]

.....me again...just thinking that roads could get very quiet soon if they IQ test car drivers........now there's a thought...

[Lou Girardin]

The 300 goal is looking a little impossible. It should have been below 400 last year.
Oh Dear, the perils of putting your career on the line for some arbitrary figure.

[The Stranger]

Oh Dear, the perils of putting your career on the line for some arbitrary figure.

Did someone in the private sector come up with the 300 figure?

[zeRax]

onto it stu :rofl:

[Lou Girardin]

Did someone in the private sector come up with the 300 figure?

LTNZ. Because VicRoads said it was a good idea.

[idb]

What if it looks like they are going to come under 300?
Will they temporarily raise the speed limit to to bring the number back up?

[Karma]

Did someone in the private sector come up with the 300 figure?

This is it. Where the hell did that figure come from. You can't just set a target that's well below par and then rush in all sortsa crap laws to make it happen.

God damn performance related crap... don't you sometimes wonder if Marxism was right all along?

[pritch]

I also read that the Minister has asked the Police to comment on double demerit points on holidays as is done in some states in Oz..

Would that make it possible to lose your licece in one hit?

What chance a much greater incidence of runners?

[madboy]

You all know how i combat these problems... unfortunately it only works when I'm on the bike.

If this shite came in, people would spend more time driving with both eyes on the speedo instead of one (as now) and I reckon that must be more dangerous and probably more fatiguing. Oh, hang on, isn't fatigue a major cause of accidents too?

The others here are right. See the story the other day about the petrol tax take going down cos cars are getting more fuel efficient. Gotta make up those losses from somewhere.

Remove the front plate from your car "Oh shit, sorry officer, I forgot all about that. See I bumped into the back of my girlfriend's car the other day and bent the plate on the towbar, I took it off to straighten it and forgot to put it back on. OMG, I'm so sorry." It works - trust me.
Turn the rego sticker around (make sure it's quickly rectifyable if the cops do pull you over.
Suddenly your chance of being identified by cameras just reduced by 50%.

On the bike - just buy something over 400cc and take the plate off.

If the govt wants to be stupid about it, then they've got to expect that the public can be just as stupid back to them.

[Coyote]

If this shite came in, people would spend more time driving with both eyes on the speedo instead of one (as now) and I reckon that must be more dangerous and probably more fatiguing. Oh, hang on, isn't fatigue a major cause of accidents too?
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I don't look anywhere else. I can only see the road with the top of my eyes whilst I'm staring at the speedo needle hovering around 55. It's worse on the motorway as the wind can push from behind you and send you past the limit since the 250 is so light so I'm only concentrating on my speed and not casually glancing at the road looking out for corners

Can't measure fatigue easily so can't fine it so as far as they're concerened people can go ahead and die from fatigue related crashes. Just like road condition related accidents

[Karma]

If this shite came in, people would spend more time driving with both eyes on the speedo instead of one (as now) and I reckon that must be more dangerous and probably more fatiguing.

Well in the Uk the police are supposed to be able to justify any speed cameras with stats that show 5 deaths or near misses in that location in the last two years.

It's been shown on their own research however that once a speed camera has been installed the number of accidents in the vicinity actually goes up. Caused mainly by rear-enders when people slam on their brakes from seeing the cameras, and then people accellerating hard when they leave the area.

Will the police never learn, the carrot is always better than the stick, eduation, not punishment.

[The Stranger]

Will the police never learn, the carrot is always better than the stick, eduation, not punishment.

Speaking of education...

[Korea]

What about this: The number of cars and drivers on the road has steadily been increasing every year which means, all things remaining equal, the road toll is naturally going to climb. What was that 40-year low figure? 340-odd deaths when there are probably 10 times as many cars on the road these days - it's a bloody miracle... but they're not satisfied, they want 300. How???
Sorry for lack of statistical evidence or relevant data...

[Lou Girardin]

What about this: The number of cars and drivers on the road has steadily been increasing every year which means, all things remaining equal, the road toll is naturally going to climb. What was that 40-year low figure? 340-odd deaths when there are probably 10 times as many cars on the road these days - it's a bloody miracle... but they're not satisfied, they want 300. How???
Sorry for lack of statistical evidence or relevant data...

Our road toll is still high in world terms. But then we allow drivers on the road trained by people who've accumulated a lifetime of bad habits.
I think that, as a country, we have problems learning from others.

[ducatilover]

'The police advice indicates the 10km/h tolerance policy police have operated since 2000 will be removed.'
so is that bit for sure then?
what happened to the tolerance/error of mechanical measuring devices?
lets write to the bastards explaining about mechanical and paralax error, simple sixth form physics that i learnt about in fourth form. that is a stupid idea...my hondas speedo reads fast so that doesnt matter....but still, when i ride i usaully keep it to 110 taking full advantage of the 10k rule. the 'revenue collectors' need to realise that our speed indicating devices are more likely than not to read/show our speed incorrectly, for example, my bike has non-standard tyre profiles on the wheel that the speed readings are taken off so my speedo reads and shows a higher speed than it would in standard tyre profile form. if we have new higher profile tyres or rims with a larger circumference then the speed indicating device is going to show a slower speed than it usaully would, therefore the speed camera would say we are doing 102km/h when the speedo could be reading 98-100km/h and then we could bring parralax error into the equation if we so happen to have an offset speed read-out device [well, only if it is an analouge device] and be able to claim that this idea is absolutely ludicrous:yawn: anyway thats my rant, sorry about the spelling:2thumbsup in short i dont like that idea

[Paul in NZ]

Whoop-de-doo, just buy an 80cc bike if you don't have the self control to keep the speed down (when suitable) on your 'big' bike.
Too much Bundaberg

I know you were probably drinking when you wrote that but...

I for one have just about had this shite. This is just becoming an exercise in how far people can be pushed before they break.

How many times have you come up behind a vehicle doing (say 85 kph) less than the speed limit (like trucks are supposed to - ha ha) ?? So you want to pass but unless you have a very long passing lane, it's not possible to do so without exceeding (briefly) 100kph... Half the time 'cos the idiot doing 85kph speeds up because it's a nice wide bit of road and immediately slows back down afterwards...

The good people will continue to be good and mostly responsible and the arseholes will be arseholes regardless. Rather that Police the well known recidivist arseholes we all have suffer so that it's 'fair'.

It's bloody stupid and removing all risk in driving is virually impossible. We are surely in a position of diminishing gains.

Naturally the 600 men that die of prostrate cancer every year are not worthy of saving, nor are the hundreds that face amputation from diabetes complications and yet I go out on the street, attend street fairs etc etc to collect money to fund research and help run diabetes wellington...

Well bugger this. I've totally lost it with these shitheads and am prepared to support some sort of movement to protest this... Anyone else?

[Karma]

Well bugger this. I've totally lost it with these shitheads and am prepared to support some sort of movement to protest this... Anyone else?

Sign me up.

Think it's about time we had some kinda demonstration or something.

[ducatilover]

Well bugger this. I've totally lost it with these shitheads and am prepared to support some sort of movement to protest this... Anyone else?
i fully support that, my cousin has cancer in her ovaries....

[Lou Girardin]

Start by writing to your local MP and opposition MP's. Try to keep it civil and reasonably legible. Apparently they work on the principle of one letter representing 100 unvoiced opinions.
The Govt. is very vulnerable to criticism on this issue right now, especially with an effective opposition facing them.

[Karma]

Start by writing to your local MP and opposition MP's. Try to keep it civil and reasonably legible. Apparently they work on the principle of one letter representing 100 unvoiced opinions.
The Govt. is very vulnerable to criticism on this issue right now, especially with an effective opposition facing them.

I remember they did a thing the UK a while back where one person drafted a letter and then everyone just printed it out, signed it, and mailed it to their local MP.

Could be an idea?

[ManDownUnder]

Start by writing to your local MP and opposition MP's. Try to keep it civil and reasonably legible. Apparently they work on the principle of one letter representing 100 unvoiced opinions.
The Govt. is very vulnerable to criticism on this issue right now, especially with an effective opposition facing them.

ok - I'm happy to do the writing, but I need the facts.

Gimme a number of issue we face...

Prostate cancer, the number of deaths and what's needed
Melanoma, # of deaths and what's needed
Ovarian Cancer...

etc.

Please include a source for the information so it's credible.

I don't pretend to know all the issues so I need some help here. We can put this raod bs in perspective (as a money grabbing stunt if nothing else) and bring some attention to the other topics at hand.

How much does it cost to geta full page spread in the appropriate mag or paper? Can we/should we do that?

edit - incorporating weasel's idea - why not put a reply on the bottom of the ad? Postage to an MP is free isn't it??? we could generate a hell of a mail flood... /edit

Get Ministerial air time (following the bad press we generate).

Who does this stuff for a living? What other allies do we have (various car clubs, various associations for those causes we want to get airtime for...). This is a lot bigger than "just" KB. I think we can really make a go of this if we want to...

... and I think we should...

[Test Pilot]

I guess someone has to pay for the PIGS new cars and COURT APPERANCES

[Lou Girardin]

I remember they did a thing the UK a while back where one person drafted a letter and then everyone just printed it out, signed it, and mailed it to their local MP.
Could be an idea?

Form letters don't carry that much weight, unless you rephrase it.

[Karma]

How much does it cost to geta full page spread in the appropriate mag or paper? Can we/should we do that?


Reasonable idea, would suggest writing to MPs first, if no joy then take it to the papers.



What other allies do we have (various car clubs, various associations for those causes we want to get airtime for...). This is a lot bigger than "just" KB.


I'd be careful with who we assosciate ourselves with. Won't help our cause much if we've got loads of boy racers in Subarus standing next to us, we'd be dicks by assosiation.



I think we can really make a go of this if we want to...

... and I think we should...

Damn straight.

[inlinefour]

Our road toll is still high in world terms. But then we allow drivers on the road trained by people who've accumulated a lifetime of bad habits.
I think that, as a country, we have problems learning from others.

Then those drivers, along with those bad habits go and occupy parliment and come up with these stupid, totally lacking in common sense or logic ideas. I've got two choices if it becomes law as far as I can see. Either put the bike rego on hold, or just remove the number plate. Some people in power just love to show us their apparent lack of intelligance :doh: Why did they get elected again???

[The Stranger]

Our road toll is still high in world terms.

I would be interested to know Lou, where does that information come from please?

[Lou Girardin]

I would be interested to know Lou, where does that information come from please?

I'll try and dig up the stats, but we're well worse than UK, most of Europe, US, Aust in terms of fatalities per 100,000 km's travelled.

[The Stranger]

Whilst not relavent to my question the This Link (http://www.investigatemagazine.com/july00speed.htm) I feel is interesting.

[ManDownUnder]

Reasonable idea, would suggest writing to MPs first, if no joy then take it to the papers.



I'd be careful with who we assosciate ourselves with. Won't help our cause much if we've got loads of boy racers in Subarus standing next to us, we'd be dicks by assosiation.



Damn straight.

Yeah - I'd want it to be credible allies (the AA rather than the "Otara Street Drags Association") and it would probably carry more weight again if one of them could front it... being more recognisable that KB in branding/general awareness terms.

I still need issues though people... preferably under reported ones that look bad alongside the road stats.

Prostate Cancer
Women's Refuge stuff
Alheimers...

who knows this stuff?

[VasalineWarrior]

On the bike - just buy something over 400cc and take the plate off.

[/QUOTE]
I got a 400 and I assure you it aint hard to lose demerit points.

[avgas]

If that does go ahead then im back to square 1....avoiding the law.
And ive been clean for 3 years now dammit.
Will see what happens intently

[Karma]

I got a 400 and I assure you it aint hard to lose demerit points.


Same here man... quick twist of the wrist and you're into illegal terratory.

[SlowHand]

on top of the letters, we could do a convoy (even in cars) riding/drving at 20kms with slogan "Yes, We've slowed down. But people are still dying"
incorperating prostate cancer Ovarian cancer, melanoma etc

[simo]

The cops have just advise that the 10km buffer over 50 and 100kms will be removed, you will now get sent a tax collection notice at 51kms and 101kms respectively, trying to ride 1000cc bikes with 180bhp and digital speedometers is going to get real interesting this is the link:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10356006

Ya know the campaign around schools that started in January this year, my mate in the cops just confirmed that they will wind back the meter to 55kmh and 105kmh by the mid year....not as bad as predicted, but I tried driving at exactly 55k's, the journey just got a whole lot slower, just what we need at $1.50 a litre! Their bleeding us slowly folks.

[aff-man]

Ya know the campaign around schools that started in January this year, my mate in the cops just confirmed that they will wind back the meter to 55kmh and 105kmh by the mid year....not as bad as predicted, but I tried driving at exactly 55k's, the journey just got a whole lot slower, just what we need at $1.50 a litre! Their bleeding us slowly folks.

Thats just silly... Thier equipment might be ok but ours might be out. If i go down on sprocket tooth at the front it puts the whole speed thing out and most people do/ have done that??

[oldrider]

What if it looks like they are going to come under 300?
Will they temporarily raise the speed limit to to bring the number back up?

Yeah, right! They just don't get it do they. They are barking up the wrong tree but they just keep on barking.

If you always do what you have always done don't expect anything to change. :no: Cheers John.

[Toast]

MDU are you getting the chop or something? What's up with the sig?

[MisterD]

.....me again...just thinking that roads could get very quiet soon if they IQ test car drivers........now there's a thought...

Just as long as they don't IQ test bikers, 'cos most on here can't even use an apostrophe properly....

[GIXser]

i reckon Auntie Helen is doing this to generate more revenue" for all the fucking losers out there on benefits and to uphold our great politically correct social policy ,after all we need more refugees, and lets not forget paying off all the Iwi's because everything is Tapu" and everyone knows you can only remove a "Tapu" or ""Taniwha with loads of cash,--
Ps to all the fuckin losers out there on benefits, if you really need it" !!,,,,,
i apologize"and the above is not intended for you--

[Dafe]

Quote"In its briefing to the new Government, NZ Police said strict new controls were the only way to meet the ambitious road safety target of reducing the road toll to 300 deaths a year by 2010, which is stipulated in the national road safety plan. "

What a crock of shit. The typical kiwi's lifestyle is fast and furious these days, it's the current way of living. It reflects in all we do.
It's a lifestyle cultured by the decisions the government makes.
The government knows that while the average persons life is fast paced, so will their driving be.

We all know it's about the revenue gathering. How many times do we hear the same bullshit alternative excuses?

[Pixie]

In one of Paul Newman's early films,(before he started selling salad dressing)
He got pissed and wandered up the street cutting all the parking meters off with a pipe cutter.
I'm surprised this hasn't happened to speed camera poles yet.

[oldrider]

So what would it be like if it was good? A few minutes rambling!

Wipe all of the current road laws and hand the responsibility for road safety over to the people who need it the most. The road users.

Implement one law which would be policed absolutely. Dangerous inconsiderate driving: Instant Loss of licence.

Dangerous inconsiderate driving with malice: Instant Loss of life.

Police officers word would be final and binding.

Police officer found in breach of duty and/or trust: Instant loss of life.

Issue all police with automatic firearms.

Cut the number of Politicians down to twelve. Two of them would be relief for those who are absent or ill.

Government only responsible for Police, Army, Navy, Air-force and (tangible) establishment of true requirement of Social Welfare.

Privatise everything else.

Review and mimimise all other laws maximise penalties as above.

Boom in funeral services would take care of any temporary unemployment. :whistle: YES.

A friend once said to me: You know, the older we get the more right wing we become! I think he's right. Cheers John. (goodnight) :blip:

[VasalineWarrior]

How about for every single fine that we get, we contest it (be it 5km over or 50). It would clog up the courts so much that the legal juggernaut would grind to a halt due to all the trivial shit jamming it up. The cop in question has be in court to present the evidence, meaning they are off the roads in that time unable to issue tickets to the rest of the population. Reckon this is a good plan anyone?

[GR81]

As the article indicated, This has been a proposal placed forward to Annette King. I don't think we will see it happen. It would be too rediculous!
this is the NZ government remember, if it sounds ridiculous... it will definately go through! :gob:

[Grahameeboy]

You can ride backwards?????

that will be LB doing one of his stunts!!

[Grahameeboy]

Just as long as they don't IQ test bikers, 'cos most on here can't even use an apostrophe properly....

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[Grahameeboy]

How about for every single fine that we get, we contest it (be it 5km over or 50). It would clog up the courts so much that the legal juggernaut would grind to a halt due to all the trivial shit jamming it up. The cop in question has be in court to present the evidence, meaning they are off the roads in that time unable to issue tickets to the rest of the population. Reckon this is a good plan anyone?

Even at 12.10 that is actually a good idea.........if all KB members did this it would be a way or protesting and it would make a difference and get noticed.

[Swoop]

In one of Paul Newman's early films,(before he started selling salad dressing)
He got pissed and wandered up the street cutting all the parking meters off with a pipe cutter.
I'm surprised this hasn't happened to speed camera poles yet.
Cool Hand Luke.
"No man can eat 50 eggs"

[Harry33]

I'm sure when I was over in the Gold Coast a couple of years back you where allowed to do 110 on the motorway. I'm sure I remember they had 110 signs as well. I wonder what their road stats are like for road deaths etc.

To be honest I think the extra 10k's really is no big thing...but how many cars,bikes etc fly pass you doing a hell of alot more than 110. Where do you draw the line of whats acceptable.

In some ways I actually think the reason we have a high road toll is probably the amount of traffic we have using our crappy built roads and people's crappy driving skills.(Maybe more so in Auckland)

[Swoop]

I'm sure when I was over in the Gold Coast a couple of years back you where allowed to do 110 on the motorway. I'm sure I remember they had 110 signs as well. I wonder what their road stats are like for road deaths etc.

To be honest I think the extra 10k's really is no big thing...but how many cars,bikes etc fly pass you doing a hell of alot more than 110. Where do you draw the line of whats acceptable.

In some ways I actually think the reason we have a high road toll is probably the amount of traffic we have using our crappy built roads and people's crappy driving skills.(Maybe more so in Auckland)
Yes, 110 on the freeways.
60kmh is the standard speed around houses and built up areas.
Says more about the driving skills of the Ocker than the kiwi, eh???:yes:

[thehollowmen]

He got pissed and wandered up the street cutting all the parking meters off with a pipe cutter.
I'm surprised this hasn't happened to speed camera poles yet.

The stand alone ones down here are surrounded in razorwire to stop that.

[Toast]

Yes, 110 on the freeways.
60kmh is the standard speed around houses and built up areas.
Says more about the driving skills of the Ocker than the kiwi, eh???:yes:

But they have a zero tolerance, right?