183hp....k5 gixxer killer

[cowpoos]

can someone with lotsa net searching skills find me a test on the net...4 rep points up for grabs [I'm crap at searching shit]

[jrandom]

183bhp?

This is MCN, remember. Take that figure, and their review's conclusions, with a large bucketful of salt.

[Sniper]

What Fish said. Im not sure on the 183.

[cowpoos]

you mean in the same way we should take your threads....???

like a bucket of shit...lol

[N4CR]

Mien gott! Just jizzed everywhere.

Isn't 183~hp crank... or is that rwhp?

Ain't busses around 180rwhp modded or something?

edit: I wouldn't expect google to index new pages that quickly if that test has only just hit the paper..

[jrandom]

you mean in the same way we should take your threads....???

In your case, with blank-eyed incomprehension?

No, I just mean that you should doubt MCN's claims and conclusions, given as that journal has a reputation for wild and breathless overblowing of thinly stretched rumours in the guise of fact.

[White trash]

Gixxer killer?! I doubt it, maybe if one died laughing at that horrible fornt end.....

[thehollowmen]

I dunno.. isn't the ZZ14R got estimates of 200 hp in the latest kiwirider?

I doubt it will be that but... we can always dream

[jrandom]

I dunno.. isn't the ZZ14R got estimates of 200 hp in the latest kiwirider?

Hum.

I hereby estimate that the '14 makes a million horsepower at the back wheel.

...

There, now people can say that the ZX14 got estimates of a million horsepower in Kiwi Biker recently.

It must be true, they read it on the internet.

[T.W.R]

Two Wheels quote the ZX10R at 131kw claimed & the Busa at 132.4kw claimed

[gav]

Probably all you'll find at the moment! http://www.motorcyclenews.com/nav?page=motorcyclenews.articles.articleCategory.a rticle&resourceId=3609854&articleCategory=NEWS_NEW-BIKES
Damn that bike looks bloody small though....

[cowpoos]

Hum.

I hereby estimate that the '14 makes a million horsepower at the back wheel.

...

There, now people can say that the ZX14 got estimates of a million horsepower in Kiwi Biker recently.

It must be true, they read it on the internet.

if u got nothing constructive to talk about piss off...stop be-littling people...

[cowpoos]

Probably all you'll find at the moment! http://www.motorcyclenews.com/nav?page=motorcyclenews.articles.articleCategory.a rticle&resourceId=3609854&articleCategory=NEWS_NEW-BIKES
Damn that bike looks bloody small though....

yeah...thats where I found the pic...i'll give ya one rep for ya trouble :2thumbsup

[jrandom]

if u got nothing constructive to talk about piss off...stop be-littling people...

I was trying to make a point about unsubstantiated claims. That post didn't belittle anybody. It was the one earlier where I referred to your 'blank-eyed incomprehension' that did the belittling.

[cowpoos]

Hum.

I hereby estimate that the '14 makes a million horsepower at the back wheel.

...

There, now people can say that the ZX14 got estimates of a million horsepower in Kiwi Biker recently.

It must be true, they read it on the internet.

and...is it just me or has you sex changed????? the lil arrow thingy....you were a chick....WTF....!!!!!

[T.W.R]

got this from kawasaki america, basically tells everything about the bike bar the power & torque figures

[jrandom]

the lil arrow thingy....you were a chick....WTF....!!!!!

SpankMe gave me a sex change. I think he prefers me this way. His girlfriend was starting to get suspicious about our 'private time'.

[Zed]

I dunno.. isn't the ZZ14R got estimates of 200 hp in the latest kiwirider?Hmmm not sure, but hasn't the 14R got, like, 400 more cc's than the 10R?? :2thumbsup

[Zed]

Gixxer killer?! I doubt it, maybe if one died laughing at that horrible fornt end.....Lol...
......
This from Gav's posted article about the ZX-10:

"I think it might be faster than a GSX-R1000, although I thought I was going for it, until some guy called Doug Chandler just glides past.!"

[justsomeguy]

SpankMe gave me a sex change.

Really J.R ??

[jrandom]

Really J.R ??

Who dat?

Not here, never heard of him...

[cowpoos]

got this from kawasaki america, basically tells everything about the bike bar the power & torque figures

that isn't the new one...thats 04-05

[Karma]

Gotta get it in black I think.

One (http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewBikeCatalogue/2006/kawasaki/road/zx-10r/introduction_1.htm)

Two - PDF (http://www.bikeland.org/articles/2006-ZX-10R.pdf)

[SPman]

Probably could have 183 at the crank...the power race is on as always.
The ZX14 is advertised as 195 PS in the Japanese mags Ive seen. - at the crank!

[marty]

compared to the TL, the busa FEELS like it's making 180 at the wheel.

mmmm, but for a mere $4000, and 6 hours work, i could be getting 250hp at the back wheel (or what would be left of it...).

and it still wouldn't be a kawazaki :)

[nudemetalz]

The thing I found far more interesting was on that second link seeing pics of the bikes being assembled in the factory.

[Lou Girardin]

Corrected or uncorrected hp?
Big difference on paper, stuff all in reality.

[dawnrazor]

Isn't it TORQUE that really matters anyway, you can have all the power in the world but with out a healthy level of torque, your not going anywhere.

[thehollowmen]

Hum.

I hereby estimate that the '14 makes a million horsepower at the back wheel.

...

There, now people can say that the ZX14 got estimates of a million horsepower in Kiwi Biker recently.

It must be true, they read it on the internet.

lol knew you'd have to come up with something like that

they based it off the hp ratings for the ZX12R being 178 hp http://motorbikes.be/en/Kawasaki/2005/ZX-12R/ but that is off the crank I think. Will be interesting to see how close that estimate is though

http://motorbikes.be/en/Kawasaki/2005/ZX-10R/ is the ZX-10R from this year.. I'll try and track down a 2006 test...

[thehollowmen]

here is some more info but no luck with the test..
http://www.kawasaki.cz/supersport/zx10r.pdf

[ducatilover]

Hum.

I hereby estimate that the '14 makes a million horsepower at the back wheel.

...

There, now people can say that the ZX14 got estimates of a million horsepower in Kiwi Biker recently.

It must be true, they read it on the internet.
kawasaki has officially released that the zzr1400 and zx14 will making in excess of 150kw at the crank [150 / .746 = 201.072386]
i can beleive that the new zx10 is 183 horses the rest of you are jealous:Pokey:

[ducatilover]

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.motards-online.com/moto-essais-articles/news_232_Presentation-de-la-Kawasaki-ZX10R-2006.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dkawasaki%2Bzx10r%2B2006%26hl%3Den%26l r%3D%26sa%3DG i found this.....doesnt really say too much.....the k5 [according to twowheels] has a claimed 133.7 kw but the measured 118.3 kw on a dyno, in old figures thats 179.22252hp and a measured 158.579088hp. so what does that mean? the american magazine "motor cyclist" has a claimed figure of 178 hp from zuki....RAPID magazine has figures of: claimed 134.6 kw=180.428954hp, and they measured somewhere 155 mark [i have only a graph for that one sorry] so who has the correct data? maybe an average of all these results would be better?:blip:

[juzzer]

Just seen a forum that claims the the 06 model is +2 HP over the old model...Other comment is new cans with increase +5 and loss a bit of weight...

[thehollowmen]

kawasaki has officially released that the zzr1400 and zx14 will making in excess of 150kw at the crank [150 / .746 = 201.072386]
i can beleive that the new zx10 is 183 horses the rest of you are jealous:Pokey:
thankoo!
:2thumbsup

[cowpoos]

Corrected or uncorrected hp?
Big difference on paper, stuff all in reality.

depends on the dyno used lou...would imagine it would be uncorrected...a motorclycle factory will have topshelf engine dyno's ?

[cowpoos]

Isn't it TORQUE that really matters anyway, you can have all the power in the world but with out a healthy level of torque, your not going anywhere.


no....hp is torque multiplied by RPM....if you have a low torque figure but can multipie it to high rpm's you can produce a hell of alot of power...

The torque figure is of significate interest....but the area below a hp plot on a dyno chart give you a better indication of how a engine will perform

[Lou Girardin]

depends on the dyno used lou...would imagine it would be uncorrected...a motorclycle factory will have topshelf engine dyno's ?

The operator applies the correction factor, no correction = big hp.

[cowpoos]

The operator applies the correction factor, no correction = big hp.

that becasue of bike gearing isn't why correction is required... engine dyno's need no correction...

[ducatilover]

no....hp is torque multiplied by RPM....if you have a low torque figure but can multipie it to high rpm's you can produce a hell of alot of power...

The torque figure is of significate interest....but the area below a hp plot on a dyno chart give you a better indication of how a engine will perform
what if you have a high torque figure and multiply it to high rpm? eg small engine with turbo [thinks of k5thou...mmmmmm] would that mean you have a shitload of power and torque?.....i was looking in one of my [three] magazines with comparos on the 05 thous and such like and in their stats aprillia claims 166hp ond is measured higher than the zook/ kwaka/ yammy/ honda who all have higher power claims...wtf??? it puts out round about the claimed 166hp, yet the zook and all the other jappas claim higher power and have a significantly lower measured power....time to reconsult the other magazines:hitcher:

[ducatilover]

hmmm same with another magazine, the aprillia seems to have the most accurate claimed power..

[thehollowmen]

hmmm same with another magazine, the aprillia seems to have the most accurate claimed power..

yes well as above.. claims are claims. Maybe aprillia are honest?


And getting engine power to rear wheel seems to loose a bit... so depends if the claims are at the crank or at the rear wheel.

[ducatilover]

yes well as above.. claims are claims. Maybe aprillia are honest?


And getting engine power to rear wheel seems to loose a bit... so depends if the claims are at the crank or at the rear wheel.
yeah, i think aprillia claims rwhp and the jappas are claiming crank hp....i prefer rwhp:yes:

[Lou Girardin]

that becasue of bike gearing isn't why correction is required... engine dyno's need no correction...

The correction factor compensates for differences in atmospheric pressure, temperature, humidity. The things that affect the hp figure and allows comparison between dyno runs under different conditions.

[WINJA]

Gixxer killer?! I doubt it, maybe if one died laughing at that horrible fornt end.....
SADLY THE FRONT END IS THE ONLY THING IT HAS GOING FOR IT

[WINJA]

KAWASAKI AMERICA HAD 2 IDENTICAL RACE BIKES SAME HP SAME COMPONENTS , BUT ONE WAS CLEARLY A LOT FASTER IN A STRAIGHT LINE AND NOT BY JUST A LITTLE BIT , WHAT THE STATIC DYNO DIDNT SHOW WAS THAT THE ANGLE OF THE EXHAUST OUTLET WAS CRITICAL AND ONE OF THE BIKES EXHAUST SPIGOT WAS KICKED OUT AT A DIFFERENT ANGLE DURING MANUFACTURE PUTTING THE EXHAUST INTO A HIGH PREASURE AREA OF TURBULANCE . A NORMAL DYNO WONT SHOW THIS HP DIFFERENCE BUT KAWASAKI IN JAPANS WOULD , ITS A WIND TUNNEL DYNO THAT BLOWS A 300KMH WIND AT THE BIKE AND DOWN THE RAM AIR WHICH IS ANOTHER POINT WHEN DYNOING BIKES RAM AIR CAN PLAY A PART , SO SOME OF THESE WILD HP CLAIMS ARE NOT ALWAYS AS WILD AS YOU THINK ITS JUST THAT WE CANT ALWAYS SEE THE TRUTH ON THE WAREHOUSE DYNOS MOST SHOPS USE.

[SPman]

Most manufacturers quote a crank HP figure for marketing purposes. Cars and bikes. RW HP is something that has come into vogue with the more ready availability of shop dyno's and are usually power at the rear wheel. Individual bikes differ, dynos differ, so I wouldnt get too hung up on 2-3 HP claims, one bike over another.
The manufacturers will always try and claim bragging rights, and idiots out there will always believe A is better than B, because it makes 2hp more or something. A manufacturers figure will often be a figure slightly higher than the average for that motor, although most motors will be around that figure, depending on vagaries in assembly, run in etc. and measured at the crank!
All the figures I have seen claim 195PS for the ZX14.
That is really only an indicative figure.

[cowpoos]

im hungery

[Zed]

im hungeryAre you wasted or something poos?????? :thud:

[Edit:]& it's 'hungry' or 'Hungary' not "hungery" fella! :hitcher:

[cowpoos]

Are you wasted or something poos?????? :thud:

[Edit:]& it's 'hungry' or 'Hungary' not "hungery" fella! :hitcher:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=422590&postcount=176

[kro]

I was always told that HP is at the crank, and bhp was at the rear wheel, so bhp figures are the ones to look at, before pitching a tent in your pants.

brake horsepower or bhp
The power available to propel a vehicle. It is equal to the indicated horsepower minus the remaining power after losses due to friction and to run the fan, water pump, and other components.

In other words, after all friction causing components, you have a true horsepower figure, that represents the available power left to move the motorcycle/car.

[Sensei]

What ever you have say 165HP then divided it by 1.36 & that's how much KW's your bike has or if you have the KW's then X it by 1.36

EG 165 divided by 1.36 = 121kw or 121KW x 1.36 =165 HP

[ducatilover]

What ever you have say 165HP then divided it by 1.36 & that's how much KW's your bike has or if you have then KW's the X it by 1.36

EG 165 divided by 1.36 = 121kw or 121KW x 1.36 =165 HP
hmmmm, i use a different method, i use .746 as my ratio but it seems to work just the same:hitcher:

[The_Dover]

Ha ha ha, Cibby got up this morning and as we were about to leave for work she read the title of this thread.

"Are they talking about you?" she said to me.

I larfed.

[ducatilover]

why are we dribbling about this? i always thought power to weight ratio was the main factor? and gear ratios/ suspension settings/ tyres and such things play a huge part in it too, i mean wow 183hp but what use is that if the gear ratios are wrong? like if they are too short then you will have a noticeable amount of wheelspin [some say acceleration increases if you shorten the ratios, but there is an extent to that] and if your gear ratios are too wide/ long, then you will be lacking in acceleration.......so it isnt so much a gixxer killer unless you know eveything about the bloodt thing.......i still wouldnt mind one though the gixxa looks better to me:hitcher:

[cowpoos]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2005/11/19/mfkawa19.xml&sSheet=/motoring/2005/11/19/ixmot.html


it sounds like the bike has alittle bit of a mongeral in it...perfect upgrade for a TL owner :2thumbsup

[cowpoos]

Ha ha ha, Cibby got up this morning and as we were about to leave for work she read the title of this thread.

"Are they talking about you?" she said to me.

I larfed.

at a 183hp....you'ld be one ard bars-ard...but yeah...you probally make gixxers shake at the sight of ya...lol

[TONO]

Go to: http://www.zx14.net/Kawasaki_ZZR1400-1.pdf
And see and read all about it.
I have just come back from 15 days in Japan & must admit never heard anything about them and I visited a lot of bike shops in Tokyo.
I have never seen so many new "Busas" for sale tho' and heaps on the street....bloody dime a dozen in Tokyo.

[Dafe]

Too much BS!

I've also heard that the GSXR generates as much torque at 6000rpm as the ZX10 ever can!!!

Let the track decide!

[Zed]

I have never seen so many new "Busas" for sale tho' and heaps on the street....bloody dime a dozen in Tokyo.Ultimate form of transportation, we shouldn't be surprised.

[gav]

200, it looks like 200 will be the magic number, the latest version of the MV Agusta F4 100o is rumoured to have 200hp and will do 200mph. The word is the Kawasaki dudes are looking at tweaking the ZX1400 to also hit this number 200, fark 200hp from a production bike :2thumbsup
Personally I dont have a problem with this, but think these sort of bikes should be priced at like $100,000. You can buy supercars with this sort of performance (200mph) but being able to buy a bike for say under $30K, just means too many dick heads get them and bad press/publicty ensures etc, and yeah I know 'busas, ZX12R's and K5's get pretty bloody close already :2thumbsup

[Zed]

...and yeah I know 'busas, ZX12R's and K5's get pretty bloody close already :2thumbsupAnd that's where the argument to not release faster bikes on the market falls apart, we already have bikes on our gargre's that can get up around 300kmph, what's another 21.86kmph? It's that magical *200* figure that has them bewildered!

[John]

And that's where the argument to not release faster bikes on the market falls apart, we already have bikes on our gargre's that can get up around 300kmph, what's another 21.86kmph? It's that magical *200* figure that has them bewildered!
actually its reliability.

[Zed]

actually its reliability. You lost me?

[justsomeguy]

And that's where the argument to not release faster bikes on the market falls apart

It's this thing called the gubbermint ..... otherwise the 1st release of ZX-12's wouldn't have been recalled.