R E S P E C T

[Hitcher]

The past few months have seen an inordinate amount of "flaming" and personal attacks by some members on others. Disturbingly this trend appears to be growing and driven by a handful of newer members and some senior members who should know better.

What we have here on Kiwibiker is pretty special. Folks from a wide and diverse range of backgrounds, ages, ethnicity, and so on; united by a common love and passion for motorcycling. The contribution many make to other members outside what gets posted here in terms of advice, experience and encouragement is spectacular. We have some "pearls beyond price" in our midst.

Sadly the recent change in mood on this side is driving some of these pearls away. They are tiring of the amount of shite that gets posted. But even worse, they don't appreciate the personal abuse that gets hurled their way by a wunch of bankers who don't know any better.

There is only so much that the Moderators can do to maintain "order". It's not our role to curb free and frank expression of opinion. And it's hard to draw a line when the bounds of good taste and common courtesy are exceeded, other than to PM the offenders and telling them to pull their heads in. Sin binning is only ever rarely used as a matter of last resort. Sadly this sometimes results in Moderators being personally abused.

This is our gargre. It's OK at times to "disrespect" and disagree with each other. But within the bounds of what should be common sense and in good humour. I dish shit out at times, and expect to get it back in boatloads, and do. What I get back is nearly always in good fun and taken as such.

Also there is a lot of shit-throwing that goes on here that is "off the radar" of public forums -- PMs and comments made when rep is awarded. Some of the stuff I've become aware of in this private space is disgustingly offensive to the point of being legally actionable.

Some members on this site need to get over themselves and demonstrate a bit more of the R E S P E C T proclaimed by Aretha Franklin.

[bugjuice]

well said Mr Hitcher.
I've also noticed the lack of 'bike related' topics, which I'm sure I've probably not helped. May be with everyone getting out into the summer sun, our spirits will be lifted, and life will improve as we know it.

[heavenly.talker]

The past few months ... R E S P E C T proclaimed by Aretha Franklin.


AMEN...:yes:

[Colapop]

Well said sir.
It seems there are becoming more often threads where I see the posters name and think "there's no point in reading that". Biking and fun is what it's about.

[kerryg]

I agree 100%.

IMO a good rule of thumb is "don't say it if you wouldn't say the same thing in a face-to face situation".

[James Deuce]

Hitcher has been very polite.

My initial reaction to some events of the last few days would have been somewhat more stentorian.

You people are VERY lucky that you have SpankMe running this place. He is a much more liberal individual than me.

[Sniper]

Well said Hitcher

[vifferman]

well said Mr Hitcher.
I've also noticed the lack of 'bike related' topics, which I'm sure I've probably not helped.
Indeed.
I know that no-one gives a crap, but this week I've been very tempted to leave KB, as it has become pretty puerile compared to other forums I'm on.
That's sad, because I used to view this as my Interdweeb 'home", because (a) it was relevant, (b) I liked the personalities on here, and (c) there was more variety than on other sites.
It's also sad that serious attempts to review things or pass on hard-won experience or useful information are ignored, unless 'wrapped' in a sensational or titillating title, or dressed up with sex or smut.

[Racey Rider]

... I dish shit out at times, and expect to get it back in boatloads, and do. What I get back is nearly always in good fun and taken as such. ...

And here I was thinking I was on your :2guns: 'BLOCKED' list.

Now, where did I put that list of 'The Thing' comments I never got round to using???:doh:

[duckman]

Here Here!!! Bring back the good 'ol days when this site was about bikes not personality competitions :yes:

[Str8 Jacket]

Although I will be the first to admit that I post alot of "drivel" myself I am very saddened to find out that one of my most favourite KBers have given up on this site because of the forementioned reasons....
I myself am going to think long and hard before I post or start threads myself. We really cant afford to be losing well respected members that will and have given up their own time and $$ and energy to help out US fellow bikers. Surely if things continue in this manner then the whole spirit of what KB was and is supposed to have been about will be destroyed and therefore pointless.

[Joni]

I agree with Hitcher.

One thing that has been raised again with me today is the term “freedom of speech” and yes indeed this is something that is very important and one of things that makes KB great, as we can all voice how we feel about things and talk freely. However with freedom of speech comes responsibility for your own actions.

Like Hitcher says, a little respect goes a long way. If you feel yourself getting offended, step one: think first, step two: act

[Riff Raff]

Well said Hitcher. We've lost so many senior members of KB who's wit and inspiring comments made this such a fabulous site. I find very few threads these days that are worth looking at, let alone replying to. There are so many people who no longer contribute, and I miss them.

[FROSTY]

Thanks Hitcher -You said it all.
I'm one ot those members totally sick of the rubbish being thrown around.

[emaN]

Word up Hitcher...
altho' it was a piss-take, i enjoyed reading about people's mods & opinions & suggestions about RFs...cos it was about BIKES and riding 'EM!
need more of the same..maybe even about other bikes :)

[madboy]

BUgger... looks like I've missed some good pointless muck raking... note to self - must waste more valuable time on here and search harder in future.

Hitcher, agree. What can you say, some people take what's said on here far too seriously, and overreact accordingly. Since when did internet forums about bikes need to be personal attacks on the riders? Grrr...

[ManDownUnder]

Well said Hitch, FROSTY and others.

I know I'm prone to taking things a little less than seriously - and hijack threads from time to time (in innocence - I get an idea and just run with it).

Point it out if I've done bad... I'm happy to hear it.

I'm not into bagging people, and I like to think I'm reasonably earnest (a little too earnest huh fish?) but shit... if I'm doin' something dumb, let me know.

We need to be aware of the variety of reason people stop in here. Some are to talk shop, and shop only, some to discuss bikes in their various applications (on road, off road), and some to just blast away with the BS (Rant and Rave). If the post is in the right place, I don't care.

If the post gets personal and/or unwelcome advice is being shoven down the throats of others, then it's time to back off. There are a couple in here who need to learn when it's time to back off, and simply agree to disagree.

No big deal - just deal with it.

Hitcher - you're bang on with the focus on respect. Without that we're nothing. Respect ain't a request to sit back and agree with something others say - it's about saying what you have to say, but letting others do the same. If your motive is to piss people off then find somewhere else to do it. It's not respecting your target/victim, and it's not respecting the rest of us.

MDU ranting slowing now...

[ManDownUnder]

Word up Hitcher...
altho' it was a piss-take, i enjoyed reading about people's mods & opinions & suggestions about RFs...cos it was about BIKES and riding 'EM!
need more of the same..maybe even about other bikes :)

Yeah - I was the target on that one - but I'm fine with it because I know the people involved, and I know there was no malice involved - I'm happy to give and take with those guys gals anyway.

Funny how it slowed down when I asked for the piss to be taken...

[Zed]

You're right as usual Hitcher. I have often been at the forefront of these flame wars unfortunately and feel I must now make public apology for those I've offended, intentionally or not. Sorry.

I'm all for making KB a better place and will ensure I do my part towards that goal, which includes shutting my mouth and not taking things too seriously/personally anymore!


Zed

[zadok]

Thankyou Hitcher. I concur.

[heavenly.talker]

Well said Hitch, FROSTY and others.

I know I'm prone to taking things a little less than seriously - and hijack threads from time to time (in innocence - I get an idea and just run with it).

Point it out if I've done bad... I'm happy to hear it.

I'm not into bagging people, and I like to think I'm reasonably earnest (a little too earnest huh fish?) but shit... if I'm doin' something dumb, let me know.

We need to be aware of the variety of reason people stop in here. Some are to talk shop, and shop only, some to discuss bikes in their various applications (on road, off road), and some to just blast away with the BS (Rant and Rave). If the post is in the right place, I don't care.

If the post gets personal and/or unwelcome advice is being shoven down the throats of others, then it's time to back off. There are a couple in here who need to learn when it's time to back off, and simply agree to disagree.

No big deal - just deal with it.

Hitcher - you're bang on with the focus on respect. Without that we're nothing. Respect ain't a request to sit back and agree with something others say - it's about saying what you have to say, but letting others do the same. If your motive is to piss people off then find somewhere else to do it. It's not respecting your target/victim, and it's not respecting the rest of us.

MDU ranting slowing now...


This is a very good post :yes: :yes:

I was thinking about what Hitcher said too...
I'll try to behave and stay on topic more too.

[Beemer]

I agree with Hitcher. I used to spend hours trawling this site, checking out what people had to say. Nowadays I rarely find anything of worth to read, let alone bother posting a response to.

If I wanted to hear about everyone's little hissy fits with someone who allegedly abused them or their loved ones, I'd buy a gossip magazine! Or find another forum...

I like the rave on forum, but some of the stuff posted does walk a very fine line with regards to decency and taste. And a lot of the language is not what you'd expect to see on a public forum with members of all ages.

Respect isn't a given, it has to be earned, and some people here will always have my respect. Others have a long way to go.

[crashe]

Thank you Mr Hitcher.....
Well said....:2thumbsup

I have noticed alot of the 'older' senior members have been missing for some time... which is a great shame, as they come with wit and alot of wisdom.

I have not been around much as well.... and found that most threads are not worth opening up... due to the foul mouthed language in some of the threads.
(Sure I swear like most of us do, but certain words are just derogatory (sp) to women so lets respect everyone)
Please remember that all genders and ages read this site.
Remember that some people are 'guests' and reading these threads.
What is it saying about KB.

I like to read the ones about bikes as that is the only way to learn about how bikes work plus learn about repairing them.
Also I like to see where the rides are happening and the neat write up afterwards.

So lets all RESPECT each other out there....
Take care and ride safe out there on the roads.

The last thing I want to see is SpankMe pulling the plug on this site.
So lets all show RESPECT to SpankMe as well.

PS: I have made the decision NOT to post any police comms emails about any riders down... This decision was made after the debate in the threads a wee while back. Since then I havent posted any due to the respect of the rider and family members.

[Motu]

Hmmm,me too...as one who thinks this is a place I may back away from.I don't even bother opening a lot of threads,the dreaded ''Cibby'' I never even looked at,didn't know what was going on.I've realised these last few weeks that my typical headbanging on my pet subjects is pointless,there has been a paridgim shift in thinking....I'm on the outside on how I view life....and double standards is the new standard.I don't ride sports bikes,I ride alone and have no need for a ''community'',family and friends supply that need.But I want to talk to like minded people about bikes,it appears there are less people I ''click'' with than before....

[ManDownUnder]

Is this symptomatic of us not actually meeting in person very much?

It's easy to bang on about all manner of stuff online, slag each other online where face to face it's a completely different story?

Look at the racers - they know each other really well... and I'd say there is a community of sorts there?

[T.I.E]

thank you hitch nicely said.
at times i have thought about leaving the site due to egos.
there are some good minds on this site i wish to pick, shit brilliant minds at that.

can we lose rep points and posts etc. so it's not a contest?

[flyingscotsman]

As a new user I agree that this group has gone downhill over the last wee while. My own belief is that you treat others how you yourself wish to be treated. However the diversity of the Kiwi motorcycling community means that some members can't see outside their own little world and don't worry about the impact of the things they say or do. Part of the problem might also be that some of us take things a bit too personally then think "f#@k it - I don't need this" and leave. As you said - too many pearls are leaving. We need to thing about how we get 'em back then keep 'em. However this is "a site for all New Zealand motorcyclists" and we should keep it that way. It just means a bit of moderation and a bit more acceptance otherwise we regulate the hell out of the site and become the elitists that we all love to take the p!$$ out of.

[Robbo]

Well Said Hitcher

Your comments have echoed my exact thoughts. As an older and long member of KB i used to spend many happy hours on this site both reading and replying to many bike related issues and comments. After all this is "KiwiBiker" is'nt it??? surely this indicates that it is a site for people with a love of motorcycles and all things related to them.
At least that is how it used to be. We had many great debates about many things without having to stoop to such personal attacks and disguisting language as is the case now in many instances, along with the attacks on our law enforcement people, who, just like you and i, have a job to do that i am sure you would'nt want.
It is indeed sad to see many of the old and familiar names missing from the forum threads these days. So come on everyone, lets make an effort to tidy up the act and get on with what we all really enjoy. Riding our bikes (No matter what type or brand they may be) and being courteous and friendly to all our fellow bikers both on the roads and on this site.

Cheers

:2thumbsup

[SARGE]

i think i brought something like this up a few months ago (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=381176&postcount=133) actually

[riffer]

Agree with you Hitcher.

You're right - I can't even be bothered to log in of late as there's been so much crap.

It's seasonal - same thing happened last December I recall - sk8rboi et al...

I would suggest that people who want to post crap surf on over to visordown.com or anothersite.co.uk ...

Maybe the reason you see less of the older members on the site is because they have decided to go for a ride rather than talk shit.

It upsets me to see members like PaulinNZ flamed especially after I've read so many wonderful posts from him over the last couple of years.

I dunno - maybe I'm just as guilty as everyone else of talking crap.

[/RANT]

[Yokai]

You're right as usual Hitcher. I have often been at the forefront of these flame wars unfortunately and feel I must now make public apology for those I've offended, intentionally or not. Sorry.

I'm all for making KB a better place and will ensure I do my part towards that goal, which includes shutting my mouth and not taking things too seriously/personally anymore!

Zed

Heck, Zed, that's way above the call of duty... (unless you've been super nasty recently which I doubt)... I know that I've been on the receiving end of some of your wrath, and you mine, but even through all that I don't think that we've got into the realm of pure insults (intellectual back-biting yes, but pure insults? Hmmm ...)

Hitcher as per normal is once again the voice of reason. I like it here. I'd rather not see you go, Viffer.... I too have seen some rather startling activity recently, but seeing as I don't get as much time to post as per normal, I figured I was oversensitive.

Any chance of a "niceness" club?

[SPORK]

Will someone hurry up and start Mr Hitcher a political party? He's got my vote next election day... (Hey, I'll actually be able to vote by then!)

[oldrider]

KB seems to be going through some sort of identity crisis at the moment.
I have found this site a good place to communicate with other like minded people (motorcyclists) in lieu of there being many around here where I live.
Now I am beginning to meet those people at rallies, rides etc and enjoying the experience very much. I want that to continue so that I can identify with other KB'rs right throughout the country. I find it has the potential to be very rewarding.
I respect that there will always be those that I will not want to associate with but respect their right to be who they want to be as I hope they will respect mine.
I actually enjoy the wide diversity of subject matter raised in the forum right across the whole spectrum. Some of it is a bit raw, some of it a bit sensitive, some of it down right offensive but if it is meant with a modicum of mutual respect I don't really mind. To each his own.
I do enjoy the fast witted banter some of it is very cleaver. I think it will all iron out in the end these moments are healthy for the future of KB. Hopefully not at the expense of loosing valuable members. Cheers John.

[**R1**]

I agree, KB is 99% crap, and I have helped contributed to it.....

But KB is like any other living thing it will evolve over time, and change, some will like it, and some will not, but thats life.....
It would be nice to go back to when bikes were cheaper to rego than cars, to when ya got a telling off for wheelieng the main road and not arrested, when gas was 80cents a litre etc etc, but the good old days are gone...........get over it,
change is good, and will happen if you like it or not...

[James Deuce]

change is good, and will happen if you like it or not...

Not all change is good.

Changing from a sharing community to a bunch of foul-mouthed smacktards is not a positive change.

[**R1**]

Not all change is good.

Changing from a sharing community to a bunch of foul-mouthed smacktards is not a positive change.I'm sure to them its good. and they seem to be the majority, and we live in a democracy...dont we?

[Joni]

and they seem to be the majority Not sure if I agree there, I seem to notice a dozen or so names coming up over and over again... there are 3000 odd members, why should a few spoil a perfectly good place for the rest...:spudwhat:

[ManDownUnder]

Any chance of a "niceness" club?

Na - but in that spirit I'll put my money where my mouth is - I'll provide the first round at the Avondale Cobb and Co (http://www.wises.co.nz/map/default.asp?street=ELM+Street&suburb=AVONDALE&town=Auckland&sttype=&id=48727|2&svctype=1&zoom=4&mapaction=0&mapwhich=0&width=512&height=512&businesses=1&brad=25&color=-1&filled=0&e=2661352&n=6477119&routemethod=0&s_id=&radius=&mapsize=3&move=true&zoomin=true) tonight - the first beer is on me for all KBers present at 7:00pm.

18 Elm St Avondale - just by the racecourse (clicky the linky...)

MDU

[jrandom]

I seem to recall this happening before. A couple of times. More or less annually.

I suppose Hitcher should receive some acclaim for his efforts here; all that is required for evil to triumph, etc, etc.

Personally, I think that if all people deemed by a quorum of myself, Hitcher and OMGWTFBBQ to be morons, twats, bury-me-in-a-Y-shaped-coffin slappers or motor-fingered blitherers with nothing pointful to contribute could be summarily ejected, everything would be fine.

Unfortunately, to do that, we'd have to convince SpankMe to hand over the keys to the hosting contract, and then find someone who could be arsed to administer it. So we probably won't get a round tuit.

In the meantime, though, one does hope that the abovementioned would-be ejectees will pick up on ways to improve their contributions. Part of the problem is, of course, that some of these folk are just as unpleasant in real life as they appear to be online. Not much one can do, barring turning on the showers and firing the ovens.

And in response to the suggestion of electing Hitcher, I should point out that that wouldn't really work.

What you should do is elect *me*, and then let Hitcher bring me a red box full of documents to sign every evening.

[Hitcher]

What you should do is elect *me*, and then let Hitcher bring me a red box full of documents to sign every evening.
Can I get to lead a bureaucratic "black ops" unit as well. Please?

[jrandom]

Can I get to lead a bureaucratic "black ops" unit as well. Please?

It wouldn't be 'black' if I knew about it, would it?

There might be leaks...

[_Gina_]

I am sitting here wondering if I belong (in some way) to the group of people we are discussing. I know that sometimes I talk absolute rubbish, generally I join in with others. I am a pretty straight up person and would take note if I was deemed to not be fitting into the norm for whatever reason.

I think I am one of the lucky ones, I have technical aptitude and a partner who is qualified and I respect his advice and guidance, especially mechanically. Therefore I do not ask for advice through this forum and as there a wealth of other people who offer theirs I don't go there either.

What I will take from this is language use. I only use it in context, but I will be more mindfull from now on.

[Scorpygirl]

Hi all

Well said Hitcher and others. As a newbie to Kiwibiker I am probably guilty of getting involved in too much of the banter. I hope that I have never offended anyone - if I have I humbly apologise!! :crybaby: I am also becoming very discouraged with the foul language and disrespect for people. I enjoy getting out and meeting people on bikes and the friendships and support that are built up as a result. This is one reason I joined KB.

Respect to me is important as I have always been taught to treat others as you would have them treat you. Sometimes this isn't easy as we are all human and we all make mistakes.

However I think that one thing is very important - THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE!!

Enough said.. Sorry all.

[SARGE]

Can I get to lead a bureaucratic "black ops" unit as well. Please?


can i just lead the regular Black Ops unit..


i have references..


of course i cant show them to you or i'd have to kill you...

[jrandom]

can i just lead the regular Black Ops unit..

You'll need to get a better tan, first.

Or eat more taro.

And practise saying 'shizzle'.

[SARGE]

You'll need to get a better tan, first.

Or eat more taro.


direct sunlight ??... AHHHHHHH!!!

i prefer to work in the shadows

[T.I.E]

Seems to be so, sadly. Shame too becouse it started out so well.

agreed. just wish posts wouldn't keep end up heading down the same road.

[Colapop]

They wouldn't if people would just say their bit and leave things at that. There are quite a few members viewing this thread (keeping an eye on it) and I wager not to watch another Shortland street episode develope. Hitcher made a valid point that may have been made before and will probably be made more often and louder until this site's membership totally evaporates. Where is the community in that?

[T.I.E]

we are here as we live, or love to ride. and all have a passion that is in common with each other.
you people are all cool. yet i am sure i could find something that would piss me off too.
but you ride and so do i. and thats what it is all about.
when we put our helmets on swing a leg over and all crusie, race, learn, or dream there is nothing more simple.
i have respect for everyone here, but i am biast, i like bikes. so i respect you all.

[Hitcher]

Much as it pains me, as the result of an undesirable incursion, I have had to moderate this thread. The whining about life, liberty and pursuit of happiness; the rights and wrongs of multiple logins; and other semantic disputes is now in the "Pointless drivel" thread under the heading "Whining about R E S P E C T". If that's what floats your boat, take it there please.

[Colapop]

thanks


more for 10

[jrandom]

Much as it pains me, as the result of an undesirable incursion, I have had to moderate this thread.

Oh my God. You moderated me.

You bastard!

[T.I.E]

Much as it pains me, as the result of an undesirable incursion, I have had to moderate this thread. The whining about life, liberty and pursuit of happiness; the rights and wrongs of multiple logins; and other semantic disputes is now in the "Pointless drivel" thread under the heading "Whining about R E S P E C T". If that's what floats your boat, take it there please.


big question as it seems to be a hot topic. what is to done about it, or is it just something you either have to learn to deal with or just leave the site?

[SixPackBack]

Vigorous discusion is not allowed....every on follow the party line boys and girls...hitchers right, your wrong

[jrandom]

hitchers right, your wrong

In this case, yup.

What is it that annoys you about that?

[SixPackBack]

In this case, yup.

What is it that annoys you about that?

And the baiting continues.....not much point in continuing is there Ms Fish as 'her kapitane' will step in and slap us with the wet bus pass

[Waylander]

big question as it seems to be a hot topic. what is to done about it, or is it just something you either have to learn to deal with or just leave the site?

We're trying to figure that out now TIE.

[SPORK]

The correct way to deal with this is to make PD a better place to poast (tm) again. Bring back VB tags, let them eat cake!

However, most of PD is the good stuff. Mindless banter, in a place where it is supposed to go, and doesn't disturb other people's discussion about actual topics.

Someone tell me I'm right?

[Kettle]

I spy with my little eye, something beginning with P.

[SPORK]

I spy with my little eye, something beginning with P.
Po-ta-toes?

Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew?

[Sniper]

Not sure if I agree there, I seem to notice a dozen or so names coming up over and over again

Im one of those and for that I apologise!

[Ixion]

The correct way to deal with this is to make PD a better place to poast (tm) again. Bring back VB tags, let them eat cake!

However, most of PD is the good stuff. Mindless banter, in a place where it is supposed to go, and doesn't disturb other people's discussion about actual topics.

Someone tell me I'm right?

You are right.Though PD is not a place for abusive posting. Shit stirring, drivel and piss taking by all means. And good old fashioned robust argument. But there's no place where personal attacks are appropriate.

I think a site like this should be likened to a bunch of riders meeting up in the pub. Plenty of bike talk, some banter, chat about this and that, maybe a bit of PT. Sometime arguments get a bit heated. Bikers are pretty robust souls,and shouldn't have their feeling too easily hurt. But if it gets to the point where trhe barman is calling 111, somethings wrong

[Warr]

Well said Hitcher and others....

Like any publication / forum I read what I want. What has been going on hasn't bothered me. I still find KB a great source of knowledge and awesome community. So hats off to SpankMe and the moderators for the time and effort of providing this forum of like minded biking enthusiasts.

IF people are abusing their freedom of speach, personal attacks or verbal diarrhoea then why not give the moderators some teeth to limit their rantings.

Limit as in they can only post x posts per day instead of unlimited.??
Then they may not be so free to bring displeasure to others that are here for more community reasons.

[SARGE]

.

I think a site like this should be likened to a bunch of riders meeting up in the pub. Plenty of bike talk, some banter, chat about this and that, maybe a bit of PT. Sometime arguments get a bit heated. Bikers are pretty robust souls,and shouldn't have their feeling too easily hurt. But if it gets to the point where trhe barman is calling 111, somethings wrong


i worked in a few of the "rougher" bars in the States.. some of the shit in here woulda ended up in me sweeping teeth off the floor at 3 am in those places


i say " KB'r Deathmatch"..you get an alley and a couple chairs and turn em all loose at the same time with an hour before to get nice and pissed


money raised in wagers could be donated to Spankme

[SPORK]

You are right.
Thank goodness!

Though PD is not a place for abusive posting. Shit stirring, drivel and piss taking by all means. And good old fashioned robust argument. But there's no place where personal attacks are appropriate.

I very much agree. What I love about PD is how nothing is serious. It's the little brother of KB, less serious and more fun. Probably like that >>> :spudbn:

Ixion can be in the Hitcher/Fish/KB Kool Klub? Can I join?

I still think I should be a moderator :yes:

[Hitcher]

Vigorous discusion is not allowed....every on follow the party line boys and girls...hitchers right, your wrong
The posts in question were not deleted. They were following a significantly different line of reasoning to the original thread. They are now in a thread where people can continue to "vigorously discuss" such matters, should they wish.

[Colapop]

Although 'some' would say that, that isn't how you bait people into a confrontational response - and end up in a sh*t fight that turns people away from this site.
I have no problems with moderators moving posts or deleting threads. I would assume that a moderator would have the good judgement to do so appropriately. Perhaps it should happen more often until things improve. I am not advocating a police state but if people posting do not have the responsbility to police themselves then somebody must be allowed to do it for them. Is that not how civilised society works?

[Hitcher]

Is that not how civilised society works?
In theory if you treat people like adults, they should respond as adults. How exceptions to this premise should be dealt with is an issue that has troubled loftier minds than ours for millenia.

What would you do if somebody came into your house and started relentlessly abusing you or your family? And rang you up, texted or emailed you with a constant stream of drivel or abuse? Would you sit there quietly and patiently note all the relevant points they made because it was their "right" to say whatever snaked randomly across their mind? I think not.

Pious, hand-wringling, limp-wristed, basket-weaving, sandal-wearing, soft-cocked liberals quite frankly shit me to tears. Up with them I shall not put!

I shall stop there before I am forced to moderate myself...

[miSTa]

Well said Hitcher.

I tend to agree with oldrider in that the site seems to be suffering from growing pains I guess on account of all the new people here, yea me included.

[Skunk]

Hmmm,me too...as one who thinks this is a place I may back away from.I don't even bother opening a lot of threads,the dreaded ''Cibby'' I never even looked at,didn't know what was going on.I've realised these last few weeks that my typical headbanging on my pet subjects is pointless,there has been a paridgim shift in thinking....I'm on the outside on how I view life....and double standards is the new standard.I don't ride sports bikes,I ride alone and have no need for a ''community'',family and friends supply that need.But I want to talk to like minded people about bikes,it appears there are less people I ''click'' with than before....And this site would be much poorer without your input for those like me.

You're right - I can't even be bothered to log in of late as there's been so much crap.

I would suggest that people who want to post crap surf on over to visordown.com or anothersite.co.uk ...I only log on once a day and scan the posts for the three or four that look worthy of reading. So much rubbish...

Pious, hand-wringling, limp-wristed, basket-weaving, sandal-wearing, soft-cocked liberals quite frankly shit me to tears. Up with them I shall not put!Quite agree.

[mikey]

i suggest a sub site for an "elite black mission crew"
where entry is granted by the one an only unofficial site president hitcher.

so you can log in to the elite KB, an laugh at those that cant. yeh!

[WINJA]

You're right as usual Hitcher. I have often been at the forefront of these flame wars unfortunately and feel I must now make public apology for those I've offended, intentionally or not. Sorry.

I'm all for making KB a better place and will ensure I do my part towards that goal, which includes shutting my mouth and not taking things too seriously/personally anymore!


Zed
IS THAT APOLOGY FOR ME ZED?

[Zed]

IS THAT APOLOGY FOR ME ZED?Sorry, it's not.

[SixPackBack]

WINJA, Zed's apology was for me!

[WINJA]

Sorry, it's not.
OK BUT ^THIS ONE IS , RIGHT?
YOU DO OWE ME AN APOLOGY ZED

[Zed]

OK BUT ^THIS ONE IS , RIGHT?I guess you got me there! :doh:

[WINJA]

I guess you got me there! :doh:
NOW APOLOGIZE PROPERLY MORON , JESUS DOESNT LIKE IT WHEN YOUR A STUBORN BITCH

[Al]

Well said Hitcher and others.
I have been a member since July 2003, post count is very low although I log in to KB every day! Do not have time for browsing at work.
I also don't reply to threads if I feel I have nothing to contribute.....
Aaaaaah well, that's just me

Al

[babyB]

agrees,well said hitcher & others
like Al been here for a wile but dont post alot
now that i on slow dialup the shit is just too much to sift through to find the good stuff.
i use to realy enjoy it here but these days its it has changed

[scumdog]

Harden up you bunch of jessies, become cops and then you automaticaly develope a really thick (PIG?) skin to cope with the flack thrown your way!! (doesn't make it any nicer though):no: :( :Playnice:

[scumdog]

NOW APOLOGIZE PROPERLY MORON , JESUS DOESNT LIKE IT WHEN YOUR A STUBORN BITCH

No, no it's "Jesus doesN'T like it when yoU'Re a stuBborn bitch"....:banana:

[Karma]

Well time for a late entry by me I spose, but my 2c is just as good as anyone elses.

There are several aspects to consider here;

1. Not all members of this site are adults (18+ or even 21+ if you prefer)
2. If you had this same problem in real life wouldn't you just ignore them? Then use that handy ignore feature.
3. Some people are just inherantly antagonistic, it's the way they are, and unless you want to do some physcoanalysis before giving people a username then they'll always be there.

So... urm.... yeh.

Wouldn't be surprised if I'm one of the ones who throws a thread off topic, but isn't that what conversation is like... how often have you started a convo about the weather and ended up talking about that morning you woke up next to a 60 year old hungarian prostitute?

[scumdog]

Well time for a late entry by me I spose, but my 2c is just as good as anyone elses.


... how often have you started a convo about the weather and ended up talking about that morning you woke up next to a 60 year old hungarian prostitute?

Oh, all the time,... all the time!

[Brian d marge]

Well Like in life , I am ( hopefully ) kind and respectfull to others. Just scanned over my posts and most of them are bike related ,,a handfull aint !

The only times I have had issues with the replys to my letter were once when a tragic thing happened and I saw red ,,,,( and they still wont acknowledge the main question ,,,!!!..) ....ZED sent a very kind PM to me for which I was thankfull, ( and I just thought I didnt give green Bling ! sorry ZED its on its way ! I can be thoughtless sometimes )

The other was due to there not being any facial expressions visable and I was Precoffee . One was From a multiple poster for which I am at a loss to explain ....One who shouted , but the more I read his posts the more I like the fella ...
So that all in all aint bad ....

I do pity those on dial up. as My pda and laptop have a wireless card ( its like a mobile phone connection though its unlimited bandwidth ) but its 64k ,,as in a touch slow ....and there is no Scrol button,
So I have to plow through pages of one line replies to find a post worth reading ,,,,even If its ripping into someone about some thing ,,,as long as a small about of thought has gone into it , Ill read it. ( I scroll over three pages of mines bigger , no it isnt yes it is .....etc )

In that scrolling I have honestly missed these personal attacks on people ..Saw one this week, had to look up the dictionary to find what the word meant ,,,,and that aint bad ,,,for 2000 odd people all with op onions

So finally there is a lot of wisdom out there, some great threads , all self censorable, ( hey I have a scroll button !!!)
Some great images and internet stuff

So at the end of the the day I is big enough and Dumb enough not to worry about what people say ...( have better to do, also have user notes which lets you know my expecations ..That hit the press about a week after I joined !!!! , but no worries )_

So the positives out weigh the scroll button....;.which makes Mongo here happy ..

There said it

Stephen

[NC]

If the shit stirrers stopped stirring shit, and the baiters stopped baiting, and the dumbarses stopped being dumbarses, and the hypocritcal personalities stopped being cunts. I'm sure the place would be "normal".

But people that blantanly make shit up so others can get leverage in a shit slinging fight on the internet are so fucken low they could parashute out of a dead snakes arsehole.

[NC]

Sorry, it's not.
Maybe you should specify, perhaps in small print on the bottom of your post.
You know how lawyers do on legal documentations. And we all know how much people love lawyers.

[Badcat]

Not all change is good.

Changing from a sharing community to a bunch of foul-mouthed smacktards is not a positive change.

you're right Jim2.
like this post of yours:
------------------

It's not rubbish. You're a belligerent little cunt.

The artists signed to major labels do not own publishing rights for their music.

Unlike you, you little fuck, I've had a lot to do with music publishing, and the only way artists who sign with major labels make money is by having an extensive back catalogue played on high rotation over decades, not years. That generates royalties at a fraction of a cent per airplay. Bands, and solo artists are paid an up front retainer that has to pay for everything - recording, touring, artwork, roadies, airlines, hotels, and living expenses. The only thing that the major companies care about are distribution and publishing rights. If the band or artist is clever enough, they setup their own publishing company, setup andndie label and then sell distribution rights to their own Indie label. Very few bands or people do that because they usually enter the global music market via the large companies because they don't have the funds to setup a global distribution network.

No major record label "commisions" work from an artist. They don't need to. They have a queue of "artists" ready to slot into this month's mold. You don't make money comissioning projects from decent musicians, you make it from mass market bubble gum.

I'm sick of your southern bastard attitude to everything. Why don't you fuck off back to your smog infested rathole in the northern hemisphere you know it all, swollen testicled, knuckle dragging, inbred pile of molten creosote.
__________________

is that what you mean?

ken

[James Deuce]

Thanks for that Badcat.

Post the link not the entire post.

[NC]

you're right Jim2.
like this post of yours:
------------------

It's not rubbish. You're a belligerent little cunt.

The artists signed to major labels do not own publishing rights for their music.

Unlike you, you little fuck, I've had a lot to do with music publishing, and the only way artists who sign with major labels make money is by having an extensive back catalogue played on high rotation over decades, not years. That generates royalties at a fraction of a cent per airplay. Bands, and solo artists are paid an up front retainer that has to pay for everything - recording, touring, artwork, roadies, airlines, hotels, and living expenses. The only thing that the major companies care about are distribution and publishing rights. If the band or artist is clever enough, they setup their own publishing company, setup andndie label and then sell distribution rights to their own Indie label. Very few bands or people do that because they usually enter the global music market via the large companies because they don't have the funds to setup a global distribution network.

No major record label "commisions" work from an artist. They don't need to. They have a queue of "artists" ready to slot into this month's mold. You don't make money comissioning projects from decent musicians, you make it from mass market bubble gum.

I'm sick of your southern bastard attitude to everything. Why don't you fuck off back to your smog infested rathole in the northern hemisphere you know it all, swollen testicled, knuckle dragging, inbred pile of molten creosote.
__________________

is that what you mean?

ken
:killingme

[boomer]

I've sat back as im a newbie here and probably fit in teh category appertaining to this thread, but the 'holy'er than thou' attitude smells of distain and double standards to me.

Theres many a way to discourage and remove things from your life you dont like, as said before. Ignore buttons, scroll buttons, don't open thread button and the all encompessing don't respond adding fuel to fires or encourging button.

Lifes not meant to be simple.


Know yourself before you judge others :2thumbsup



Ps.. My new cbr600rr fekin ROCKS!!!!!!!!

And thanks to this site i now have a bunch of like minded, foul mouth, fun luvin, thrill seeking buddies to play with. Both here in cyber space and out there on the crazy ass cage infested twisties.... :blip:

[dangerous]

you're right Jim2.
like this post of yours:
------------------

It's not rubbish........... inbred pile of molten creosote.
__________________

is that what you mean?

ken
You twit Badcat.... here we go again, :doh: this is exactly what we are talking about and trying to avoid.
If the quote above is genuine and from Jim.... then there was no need to post it, its old news and has nothing to do with this thread :nono:


If the shit stirrers stopped stirring shit, and the baiters stopped baiting, and the dumbarses stopped being dumbarses, and the hypocritcal personalities stopped being cunts. I'm sure the place would be "normal".

But people that blantanly make shit up so others can get leverage in a shit slinging fight on the internet are so fucken low they could parashute out of a dead snakes arsehole.
LMFAO..... beautifully summed up NC, I love it

[Badcat]

You twit Badcat.... here we go again, :doh: this is exactly what we are talking about and trying to avoid.
If the quote above is genuine and from Jim.... then there was no need to post it, its old news and has nothing to do with this thread :nono:


LMFAO..... beautifully summed up NC, I love it

point taken.
sorry - you're right.

K

[dangerous]

As I said above HEAR WE GO AGAIN.........

This BAD rep just in, from the post of mine quoted at the bottom of post.



R E S P E C T 26th November 2005 08:34 boomer sorry mate i disagree.. respect is gained on past performance and attitude not from a statement here and now claiming to be snow white - Boomer .. still love ya tho :]

Now.... this is how shit happens, Boomer, weres your respect for my thoughts no need to send a message others cant see, or red rep.... next you will be sending me rotten P/M's :niceone: <------- please note



You twit Badcat.... here we go again, :doh: this is exactly what we are talking about and trying to avoid.
If the quote above is genuine and from Jim.... then there was no need to post it, its old news and has nothing to do with this thread :nono:

[Zed]

Maybe you should specify, perhaps in small print on the bottom of your post.
You know how lawyers do on legal documentations. And we all know how much people love lawyers.That was a joke...you had to be there I guess.

Leave me alone Ruth, this is not the thread for it.

[dangerous]

point taken.
sorry - you're right.

K
Holly shit...... opps hehe, BOOMER, I upset you but the comment I made and the KBer I aimed it at, has no problem... green rep for BC

Go figger:spudbn:

[jrandom]

you're right Jim2.
like this post of yours

Jim's post was informative, to the point, and hilarious. A prime example of what we DO want around here.

The only hilarious thing *you've* ever posted was a snotty remark implying that my anti-elitist opinions about technology derived from my being uninformed on the subject.

[Badcat]

sorry fish.
i was unaware my participation in this forum was judged by its comedic value. i thought i was here for the motorcycle content.
i'll try to get more funny.
Honest.

[2_SL0]

Can I get to lead a bureaucratic "black ops" unit as well. Please?


LMAO :2thumbsup

[NC]

That was a joke...you had to be there I guess.

Leave me alone Ruth, this is not the thread for it.
It was a joke Matthew, why do you have to take everything the wrong way.

Jesus christ this ins't the thread for it.

[boomer]

As I said above HEAR WE GO AGAIN.........

This BAD rep just in, from the post of mine quoted at the bottom of post.


Now.... this is how shit happens, Boomer, weres your respect for my thoughts no need to send a message others cant see, or red rep.... next you will be sending me rotten P/M's :niceone: <------- please note

your projecting mate.. Take a moment to think. Not everyone acts or thinks as you do. Believe it or not.
i'm tempted to tell you to '**** up' but i'll refrain... oh bugger.. i did in a round a bout way .. :doh: I'm also tempted to reply with my opinion but that would be inflametry wouldn't it.. oh shit.. i did it again..in not such a round a bout fashion..:doh:
This can go on and on and on.. until i make myslef look like an idjiot.. doh :doh: too late.. or you do ( i won't pretend to know what others think )

Get over it mate :finger:
( im sat here smiling with the intent of making an ass of myself and hopefully not upsetting you or others TOO much....!!)

[2_SL0]

My thoughts on this whole thing, its normal, it is how all forums go. Eventually
people get bored of posting dribble and leave. I would say everyone is guilty in some way. Stop moaning about it, ignore the crap (very hard to do at times)
and continue using the forums for what they are intended for.
On a side note I hardly ever venture into Rant & Rave, etc. So I dont see half the crap that gets posted. I aso dont open posts by certain people, as I know it will be crap.

[FROSTY]

Folks Im Just gutted that this thread even had to be started.
I mentioned this before but perhaps it needs restating .
Ive seen web sites come and go.Some to do with bikes ,some just life.
One common theme Ive seen is when the bickering and nastyness is allowed to run wild the site in a fairly short time fizzles out.
It happens because people just stop going there.
It would really upset me for one if that happened to KB
I received a PM from a Very senior member who feels that his imput is no longer needed or relevant to this site. Reading between the lines I'd say he has had one too many abusive PM's thrown at him.
It just aint right.

[inlinefour]

Hitcher has been very polite.

My initial reaction to some events of the last few days would have been somewhat more stentorian.

You people are VERY lucky that you have SpankMe running this place. He is a much more liberal individual than me.

Have I missed something? Anyhow, it sounds like it might be something that I am better of missing.:blip:

Edit after reading the whole thread: I don't know what has been happening over the last few days. But as some of you know, I've been very guilty of stirring in the past. After having quite along think about it, I still could not come up with a plausable reason for my past actions. Hence, I concluded that the problem was just me, I could have ignored others easily enough. I'm actually not utilising "the ignore list" at all anymore. Its helpfull to see who is having a bad day and we can all allways ignore it. What it boils down to really is, if someone is having a bad day and bahavng poorly. Do we have to lower our standards also, or can we move on and ignore it? Chances are that next week the "someone" will have a new target and w will have been forgotten.
Zed. Cheers for the apology, its water under the bridge and its now time to move on, preferably on two wheels.

[WINJA]

No, no it's "Jesus doesN'T like it when yoU'Re a stuBborn bitch"....:banana:
MY SPELINS GOT BETER SINCE I MEAT YOU

[Zed]

Have I missed something? Anyhow, it sounds like it might be something that I am better of missing.:blip:

Edit after reading the whole thread: I don't know what has been happening over the last few days. But as some of you know, I've been very guilty of stirring in the past. After having quite along think about it, I still could not come up with a plausable reason for my past actions. Hence, I concluded that the problem was just me, I could have ignored others easily enough. I'm actually not utilising "the ignore list" at all anymore. Its helpfull to see who is having a bad day and we can all allways ignore it. What it boils down to really is, if someone is having a bad day and bahavng poorly. Do we have to lower our standards also, or can we move on and ignore it? Chances are that next week the "someone" will have a new target and w will have been forgotten.
Zed. Cheers for the apology, its water under the bridge and its now time to move on, preferably on two wheels.Cheers....

[Quasievil]

I feel the love:yes:

[sels1]

Folks Im Just gutted that this thread even had to be started.
I mentioned this before but perhaps it needs restating .
Ive seen web sites come and go.Some to do with bikes ,some just life.
One common theme Ive seen is when the bickering and nastyness is allowed to run wild the site in a fairly short time fizzles out.
It happens because people just stop going there.
I received a PM from a Very senior member who feels that his imput is no longer needed or relevant to this site. Reading between the lines I'd say he has had one too many abusive PM's thrown at him.
It just aint right.

I totally agree with this and with Hitchers original post. I am very disapointed a senior member who I have a lot of respect for is backing out of the site as he is tired of the shite - and I cant say I blame him, there has been a lot of crap lately. Perhaps it is growing pains with so many new members coming on board recently but in some cases the older members are just as bad - look at winga and zed in this very thread - come on guys, thats the sort of off topic drivel that the rest of us get tired of - sometimes its amusing but I dont think this was the thread for it. Lets all think before we type and try and keep this site going as a good thing, and not let it self-destruct as Frosty has warned.

[Brian d marge]

You twit Badcat.... here we go again, :doh: this is exactly what we are talking about and trying to avoid.
If the quote above is genuine and from Jim.... then there was no need to post it, its old news and has nothing to do with this thread :nono:

t
I dont think calling someone a twit helps either ! Actually it was that very post I was refering to when I said i had to look up the word in the dictionary !
But sorry Jim2 you did post it, agree with the guy or not his reply was a bit more measured
Badcat could of edited most of the reply ( or refered to it in a roundabout way ) , , and Jim could of added to his reply on this thread ( concerning the odd moment ) .
But at the end of the day BC didnt set out to be a ### and posted in good faith, and I think it had every thing to do with what this thread is about
The only people I would call a twit is/are...... Most if not all those on the gravy train in parliment .. and Myself .

Carry on chaps :corn:I must exhange some more money in order to chip in my 2 cents worth again !!!

Stephen

[James Deuce]

Right then. Two Seven is consistently disrespectful. His tone is mocking, and he always starts his disagreable posts with a phrase like "bullshit". I lost it. I've had a crap year. I'm sick of the constant barrage of garbage on this site, untruths, half truths and uninformed opinion passing as fact. I lost it. I'm not apologising for it or retracting it, but I own it, I'm not shying away from the fact that I posted it either. It is an unpleasant post that one of the moderators who gave me a nudge in a friendly and respectful way described it as a bit like, "finding out your best mate beats his wife."

I personally think it was a bit stink that my post was dragged in out of context into this thread, BUT as I said I posted it and it in an unpleasant tone, and used "foul" language to highlight the fact I was genuinely annoyed that I was being mocked. You will note that I didn't descend to the red bling, PM mode of attack that is the domain of the smacktard on KB.

However the difference between a smacktard and a one off post like mine, is that I don't set out to rark everyone up ALL THE TIME. I don't use bad language as a general rule, unless WT or some other bloke with a genuine sense of humour are giving each a bit of good humoured stick.

Something else to consider. My post was dealt with by the moderators. Do you think that the moderators should post about EVERY post that is complained about, and what was discussed with the creator of the unpleasant post?

I believe I contribute more to this site than I take away. If people can't deal with the fact that I can be unpleasant sometimes, note SOMETIMES, then people don't have a realistic view of what comprises the whole human being. That discussion would have gone the same way face to face, and if you don't believe me ask Mike Chunn about the robust debate he and I had about P2P file sharing. I've been an APRA member for 12 years. You have to write copyrighted music or lyrics to qualify for membership. I vote for Silver Scroll award winners at the NZ Music Awards. But that doesn't excuse the tone of my reply to Two Seven, but Meh, I had a bad hair day and I'm not looking to be excused.

[inlinefour]

I had a bad hair day and I'm not looking to be excused.

We all have days like that. Go find ya keys and go for a good blat, allways works for me now I have a half decient bike. If it needs to be a good long blat, come up to the naki. There is allways a spare room up here if you need it. I'm sure Sensei would also like the catch up and we could ride part ways back with ya.
After you took your helmet off that day you picked up the 400, I'll forgive the hair (pt).:lol:

[SARGE]

i love these threads... beats PPV


BOOK NOW!!!


:bash: :corn: :corn: :corn: :corn: :corn:

[boomer]

You will note that I didn't descend to the red bling, PM mode of attack that is the domain of the smacktard on KB.
Well i can only assume your referrring to me as a smacktard :rockon:

However the difference between a smacktard and a one off post like mine, is that I don't set out to rark everyone up ALL THE TIME. I don't use bad language as a general rule

the 'holy'er than thou' attitude smells of distain and double standards to me.
If i have put 2+2 together and come up with 5 then i apologise otherwise :kick: :finger: (and i've shown some restaint)

[Karma]

I've sat back as im a newbie here and probably fit in teh category appertaining to this thread, but the 'holy'er than thou' attitude smells of distain and double standards to me.

Theres many a way to discourage and remove things from your life you dont like, as said before. Ignore buttons, scroll buttons, don't open thread button and the all encompessing don't respond adding fuel to fires or encourging button.

Lifes not meant to be simple.


Know yourself before you judge others :2thumbsup



Ps.. My new cbr600rr fekin ROCKS!!!!!!!!

And thanks to this site i now have a bunch of like minded, foul mouth, fun luvin, thrill seeking buddies to play with. Both here in cyber space and out there on the crazy ass cage infested twisties.... :blip:


mutter mutter... bloody northeners all over the place

[James Deuce]

Well i can only assume your referrring to me as a smacktard :rockon:

Not at all. A welcome addition to the family from what I've seen.



If i have put 2+2 together and come up with 5 then i apologise otherwise :kick: :finger: (and i've shown some restaint)

Cheers.

[Virago]

IMHO only a small proportion of the disrespect comes from newbies. The bad eggs come on board and wind us up, but they usually disappear, more often sooner than later.

It is the senior members that set the tone - those members that consistantly post in most threads, day after day.

I find it interesting that the subject of multiple identities has become taboo, particularly in this thread (I wonder why?). This phenonenum (sp?), more than anything else, lowered the tone of the site for quite some time. Usually done by senior members who wanted to wind up (or even attack) other members from behind a cloak of anonimity, it was the ultimate in disrespect.

Until those who participated acknowledge the harm done, and work hard to rebuild the trust, I doubt that the tone of the site will improve.

[SixPackBack]

Even without my presence Hitcher the thread has quickly descended into anarchy......

[FROSTY]

OK ENOUGH OF THE NEGATIVE SHITE
We all Like this site and want to make it prosper (I think)
So what are YOU --(YES YOU BEHIND THAT PUTER SCREEN )
going to do to make this a cool place to be ?????
there isn't an icon for it but my finger is pointing outa the screeen at YOU.
Think about it this way --The person that irritates you the most here -They are a fellow biker so You have a common bond.
Ohh hers my bit
Whoever you are out there in the etherworld -Im genuinely sorry my words or actions have upset you. Whoever you are I concider you to be a being of common spirit and I will always be here to help
Frosty

[scumdog]

What am I doing wrong? except as a p/t I don't abuse people, nobody abuses me and the greens just keep rolling in.
I never feel seriously threatened by what gets posted against me and I think this site is fun and informative, great sufferin' horn-toads, this is life people, don't take it so seriously eh?? - both those slinging mud and those recieving it, chill out.

Am I thick (it's a rhetorical question WINJA, mikey et al!!) or are some of you others a bit precious and touchy???:blink:

[boomer]

Nice work Frosty.

ps.. its not always about you Spb... i need some of the lime light too:lol:

[Karma]

Anybody else think this threads turned into some kinda self-help anger management group?

Hi, my name's Weasel, I suffer from rage issues.

[Colapop]

What am I doing wrong? except as a p/t I don't abuse people, nobody abuses me and the greens just keep rolling in.
I never feel seriously threatened by what gets posted against me and I think this site is fun and informative, great sufferin' horn-toads, this is life people, don't take it so seriously eh?? - both those slinging mud and those recieving it, chill out.
Am I thick (it's a rhetorical question WINJA, mikey et al!!) or are some of you others a bit precious and touchy???:blink:

OhH YEAH, YOU COPS ARE JUST SO THICK SKINNED COZ YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH SO MUCH SH*T AT WORK ALL DAY!!!! And whats the deal with being so chilled out???? Something about having a damn good holiday that most of us are/were extrememly jealous of.





Where some trip pics SD?

[The_Dover]

My names The_Dover and I suffer from *!@&#$&#($% mumble mumble )(#$%#($ choke #$%$&$%#$ gasp #$%$%&%^&

[boomer]

THe bling bling is flying now...They're all at it. (Maybe the rumours are true that the ssoutherners are related a little closer than he who cannot be named intended)

News Flash


Civil unrest has Christchurchians red blinging Boomer


Ride tomorrow.. AutoBahn at 10:30 :ride: come along and watch me be tail end Charlie and feel free to call me a **nt to my face... teh others DO !!! :2thumbsup

[SARGE]

:corn: :corn: :corn: :corn: :corn:

[Colapop]

:corn: :corn: :corn: :corn: :corn:

Move along nothing to see here. HEY! You in the back with the popcorn - no free show here buddy!

[The_Dover]

:corn: :corn: :corn: :corn: :corn:


Aren't you on a *!@&#$&#($% mumble mumble )(#$%#($ choke #$%$&$%#$ gasp #$%$%&%^&

[SARGE]

Move along nothing to see here. HEY! You in the back with the popcorn - no free show here buddy!


man this is better than Sky Box Office .


i stand with my original post about a couple chairs, a bunch of piss and a dark alley

THATS ENTERTAINMENT!! (http://www.bumfights.com/)

[SARGE]

Aren't you on a *!@&#$&#($% mumble mumble )(#$%#($ choke #$%$&$%#$ gasp #$%$%&%^&



popcorn is fat free..


the beers arent..

[Al]

Hey Sarge, only fat-free if there's no butter!

Al

[Karma]

My names The_Dover and I suffer from *!@&#$&#($% mumble mumble )(#$%#($ choke #$%$&$%#$ gasp #$%$%&%^&

Fat fingers?

[Karma]

THe bling bling is flying now...They're all at it. (Maybe the rumours are true that the ssoutherners are related a little closer than he who cannot be named intended)

News Flash


Civil unrest has Christchurchians red blinging Boomer


Ride tomorrow.. AutoBahn at 10:30 :ride: come along and watch me be tail end Charlie and feel free to call me a **nt to my face... teh others DO !!! :2thumbsup


Here we go again! He'll be on about how Thatcher shut down all the mines in a minute. :lol:

I'm not from ChCh but I'll red bling you if you want?

[Ms Piggy]

*big sigh* All I feel is sad that the site seems to have degenerated so much lately. I don't get to login as much as I used to and it appears that I miss most of the bullshit, but there seems to have been some serious fall out this time and people I have come to know, like & respect have been victims of it. That sucks!

Let's hope this goes full circle and we don't lose all the positive stuff/people that drew me to KBers in the 1st place.


Less shite & more bike I say!

[_Gina_]

Anybody else think this threads turned into some kinda self-help anger management group?

Hi, my name's Weasel, I suffer from rage issues.
LOL

Know me before you judge me

:lol:

[inlinefour]

*big sigh* All I feel is sad that the site seems to have degenerated so much lately. I don't get to login as much as I used to and it appears that I miss most of the bullshit, but there seems to have been some serious fall out this time and people I have come to know, like & respect have been victims of it. That sucks!

Let's hope this goes full circle and we don't lose all the positive stuff/people that drew me to KBers in the 1st place.


Less shite & more bike I say!

I know it has happened before and no doubt, in time it'll actually happen again. The trick might just be to not take the bait. There will allways be trollers and in time the ones that plan on sticking around might mature, worked for me. I think its time to rechange the focus of it, maybe? Dunno about topics: bikes, beer, big bikes, opposite sex, small bikes, spirits, colour of bikes, wine, bike parts, bike shows, bike rides, bike hassles, bike movies, broken bikes, fixed bikes, opinion on bikes and yea, bikes. Like CSL said:


Less shite & more bike I say![/QUOTE]

[Unit]

Im newish here and still trying to figure out how this forum all 'fits' together. If Ive offended anyone unduely, then consider this an apology. I must admit, I was a little shocked at a bad rep I got the other day, got the 'f' word chucked at me and all, and considering what I'd posted really did think it was an over-reaction. But hey, Im a big girl, so moving right along. Guess if we get back to basic's of 'treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself' maybe the standard will rise. We have made some awesome friends in a very short time, got to go on rides with talented people we otherwise would not have met, and have gathered a great deal of technical knowledge not found in books. For that I thank KB for its existance.

[boomer]

Here we go again! He'll be on about how Thatcher shut down all the mines in a minute. :lol:

I'm not from ChCh but I'll red bling you if you want?

Don't get me started...Yeah throw the bling this way.. you count as a soft southern shandy drinker.. I'm suprised you were allowed to stay up norf :blip:

Hey if you want i can sub you some petrol for the day??

[Beemer]

Maybe some of us didn't get the "play nicely or go to your room" chat from our parents!

I've been guilty of having a go at someone and then when someone does the same to me I get annoyed - so perhaps if we all took the "think twice, act once" angle, things might be a bit better.

[Jackrat]

The past few months have seen an inordinate amount of "flaming" and personal attacks by some members on others. Disturbingly this trend appears to be growing and driven by a handful of newer members and some senior members who should know better.

What we have here on Kiwibiker is pretty special. Folks from a wide and diverse range of backgrounds, ages, ethnicity, and so on; united by a common love and passion for motorcycling. The contribution many make to other members outside what gets posted here in terms of advice, experience and encouragement is spectacular. We have some "pearls beyond price" in our midst.

Sadly the recent change in mood on this side is driving some of these pearls away. They are tiring of the amount of shite that gets posted. But even worse, they don't appreciate the personal abuse that gets hurled their way by a wunch of bankers who don't know any better.

There is only so much that the Moderators can do to maintain "order". It's not our role to curb free and frank expression of opinion. And it's hard to draw a line when the bounds of good taste and common courtesy are exceeded, other than to PM the offenders and telling them to pull their heads in. Sin binning is only ever rarely used as a matter of last resort. Sadly this sometimes results in Moderators being personally abused.

This is our gargre. It's OK at times to "disrespect" and disagree with each other. But within the bounds of what should be common sense and in good humour. I dish shit out at times, and expect to get it back in boatloads, and do. What I get back is nearly always in good fun and taken as such.

Also there is a lot of shit-throwing that goes on here that is "off the radar" of public forums -- PMs and comments made when rep is awarded. Some of the stuff I've become aware of in this private space is disgustingly offensive to the point of being legally actionable.

Some members on this site need to get over themselves and demonstrate a bit more of the R E S P E C T proclaimed by Aretha Franklin.

Taken me a while to reply to this,because I had to think hard about what to say in reply to THE ONLY person on this site to ever really stab me in a place that did hurt.
Funny old world huh,A person can call me any form of cunt they like and all I'll do is throw it back.After that it's just water off the ducks back.
You may think your being witty,funny,smart ect ect with your put downs over the use of the English language but to somebody that's been put down most of their life over education,or the lack of it,your comments are nothing like "just a joke" never "just between mates".
What they are is a direct personal attack.
You carry on moderating in the way you feel fit ,you carry on looking for respect,but your going to have to learn how to show some first.
I was never your mate,I didn't know you from a bar of soap,I certainly didn't need your nasty little comments.
Enjoy YOUR site.

[WINJA]

Maybe some of us didn't get the "play nicely or go to your room" chat from our parents!

I've been guilty of having a go at someone and then when someone does the same to me I get annoyed - so perhaps if we all took the "think twice, act once" angle, things might be a bit better.
I ACCEPT YOUR APOLOGY

[TwoSeven]

[Woffle mode: on]

Apologies in advance, but this is my tuppence - saved up for a while :)

Over the decades I’ve seen enough forums and the behaviour is usually the same, standard group dynamics – form, storm norm, perform etc. Difference is as I see it from my perspective in life; group formation happens pretty rarely and although initially stressful, is usually overcome – that is, the performing stage is usually pretty long – most of the groups I belong to I’ve been in for a long time. On the net, I think this cycle happens a lot faster and more often because of the rapidity of change that modern communications brings with it, meaning some people have a hard time dealing with the fact they don’t have a stable environment from which to work from causing them unwanted stress. I think using the net requires the learning and use of a different set of skills than from in normal life in that you have to adapt your style to cope with the changes in group dynamics. I think that not everyone can cope with these changes and there are different ways for it to be handled depending on the type of people that make up the group. Some forums I’ve seen regulate everything to the smallest degree, others ignore it – how it goes I feel comes down to the personality type of the moderating group and their circle of friends. I’ve found that technical forums are more tightly controlled than say interest forums. It’s not because of the education level or age, but I think that the former may have members of a similar personality type – more logical and regimental, and the latter type will often operate from the heart and be slightly disorganised.

When I joined this forum first time round a long time back, I wasn’t very impressed; there was a central group of members who were rather forceful on how they thought people behaviour both online and in riding motorcycles should be they were of an older age group – it didn’t fit my perspective on things and I chose not to hang around.

The second time I joined, I quite quickly got the expected personal attack from these members – their group was changing and they needed to re-enforce their ‘storming’ behaviour patter on the new person and I made it easy by posting what was obviously at the time a non-conforming view. I chose to deal with their reaction by using a standard reflection technique which probably didn’t endear me in the long term to these members, but it is the same way I treat all people I perceive to be using verbal bullying behaviour and I feel they couldn’t cope, instead choosing to provide the odd jibe and belligerent insult from the sidelines as some of them still do but I don’t mind. I guess it’s a kind of regressive behaviour from being challenged (long grudge duration) – but I don’t really care to be honest. I tolerate this behaviour because I respect that it’s their right to be like that although it’s not aligned with my core values and beliefs - diversity means that everyone has a different value set from which they use to lead their lives and human rights means they have the freedom to express those views. Where I do draw the line is when someone challenges my core values s such as threatening racial, verbal or physical abuse at someone (the only time when I will report a post). That type of behaviour, I don’t hold with.

I think that the internet reflects society as it is, not as it is desired to be, and what you desire a forum to be, may not end up being what it becomes because of the diversity of personality types that make up the members of a forum. I think how each person perceives this might dictate whether they choose to go elsewhere, or remain as part of the forum or whether they choose to lurk in the background or be an active poster. I have long since learned to recognise and deal with all the different personality types that exist on forums and I also recognize there are people who are polar opposites to what I am, but such is life, one has to deal with it as best as possible. Some of these people are great people in real in reality – I’ve seen some of them out and about and know this, but that doesn’t mean that I would get on with them – they’d drive me nuts and likely I’d drive them nuts as well – I can tell by their body language when I see them around if I am challenging them or not. In this respect in the forum I probably delete more posts than I make due to an awareness of other peoples perceptions - especially if its an emotive issue, or something that I think is just plane wrong, I might make several attempted posts before giving up – sometimes the odd one gets thru but that’s just life and learning to deal with the odd bit of flack can be useful if not a tough (as I find for myself) skill to have.

Following on with this, I am aware that just because I like to argue technical stuff with people, doesn’t mean to say that someone who likes to post joke threads with people is doing the wrong thing – I might just choose to ignore those types of posts, or scroll down over that section of a thread – luckily they are in a different area of the forum so I don’t see half of it. Sometimes I might even join in though, but rarely as it’s not my style. Recognising that is called sense of community and is what makes forums great places to be. I think if you watch people in large groups, you’ll note that they all form into smaller peer groups and go do their own thing – sure they have a common bond in that they are all at whatever event it is, just like we all have a perceived common interest in motorcycles, but that doesn’t force them to all have to toe the same uniform line of conversations all the time. The heart people are probably not going to follow the forum rules and the brain people are probably going to get wound up by it all the time. The community spirit forms when people are allowed space to express their thoughts and interests without being coerced and this forum does a pretty good job of allowing that to happen. I would expect a minor level of bitching to be normal at the end of the day and from what I have seen, most of its common personality differences.

Being a foreigner who has spent most of his life travelling, I am well aware on the different styles of ethnic diversity that exist around the world – the ones I find hardest to deal with are the ones that are most similar to my own, I’m also aware that NZ culturally has its own unique style – hero worship is a common thing here, but its not part of my culture. This often gets me into trouble when I fail to pay due respect to ‘an old member’ or informally designated leaders which is the ‘correct’ thing to do in kiwi society. From my perspective they are just normal people with their own opinions, skills and experience which I can take or leave. Likewise I am aware I come from a high context culture – that is my cultural identity, upbringing, history and surroundings are used in part of my communication (difficult when you live in a different country as I do now), whereas I note many kiwis (depending on region) are low context requiring the expression of thoughts and facts directly in a clear and concise way. My use of what can be ambiguity, to others, can often frustrate many locals simply because I forget that they don’t have the same identity and culture as I do (think of this difference as trying to play the American version of trivial pursuit when you don’t know anything about America). I think you can observe this difference in that some write small one liner high context posts which irritate others and some write longer posts which they put a lot of effort into. I am well aware of my faults, sometimes I may choose to work on fixing them, and sometimes I choose to leave them as they are. I’m quite comfortable with who I am (its called self-actualisation) so I am mostly thick skinned to the many insults and comments that come my way – just don’t expect me to be one of those new age empathetic types. :)

As to what I think of people. 'Characters' is the term I would use :) My personal opinion doesnt really count here, and to be honest, I doubt anyone would give a flying... even if it did. But I enjoy a good beligerant attitude as much as I do a fruit and nut case - its what makes the world spin. :)

So anyway, think of this thread as a ‘normalising’ thread and be worried if they don’t happen from time to time because I think they are an important part of any successful forum evolving.

[Woffle mode: off]

[NC]

[Woffle mode: on]

Apologies in advance, but this is my tuppence - saved up for a while :)
..................

So anyway, think of this thread as a ‘normalising’ thread and be worried if they don’t happen from time to time because I think they are an important part of any successful forum evolving.

[Woffle mode: off]
Can I have that post read to me by David Hasslehoff and then put on a cassette.

[Hitcher]

Taken me a while to reply to this,because I had to think hard about what to say in reply to THE ONLY person on this site to ever really stab me in a place that did hurt.
I'm sorry. No hurt ever intended.

[TwoSeven]

NC.

I would have thought it would be better if played in the style of the character who played 'shauni' in baywatch :)

[sels1]

Am I thick (it's a rhetorical question WINJA, mikey et al!!) or are some of you others a bit precious and touchy???:blink:

Maybe it's the ole Pre-Xmas Stress Syndrome starting to kick in....nerves are frayed and holidays are :calm: required.

[White trash]

I respect and like almost everyone on here, even the atntagonists have their moments of being funny. I've been pissed off enough at certain stages to think I could leave, but the funniest thing is, I miss the (not so common) informative bits and enjoy the very odd occasions I've been able to offer sound advice. Maybe even helped a couple of people out once or twice.

I can even stomach the wallys from Christchurch that r-r-ride ZXR750s, and the cop from south otago (even though he drives a Ford or 5). I use bad language in almost all my posts, because that's exactly how I talk. Get the fuck over it.

However, personal attacks stemming from misinformation or the malice needed to belittle someone for haveing a different point of view to yourself is simply childish annoys the fuck out of me. I watch people who I consider friends and spend time with outside this website, constantly needling each other into arguments which are old, pointless and frankly, downright boring.

Dunno what the hell that all sums up to.

PS. I'm not so keen on the softcocks that attend TOTNRs. "There can be only ONE!"

[Quasievil]

I respect and like almost everyone on here, even the atntagonists have their moments of being funny. I've been pissed off enough at certain stages to think I could leave, but the funniest thing is, I miss the (not so common) informative bits and enjoy the very odd occasions I've been able to offer sound advice. Maybe even helped a couple of people out once or twice.

I can even stomach the wallys from Christchurch that r-r-ride ZXR750s, and the cop from south otago (even though he drives a Ford or 5). I use bad language in almost all my posts, because that's exactly how I talk. Get the fuck over it.

However, personal attacks stemming from misinformation or the malice needed to belittle someone for haveing a different point of view to yourself is simply childish annoys the fuck out of me. I watch people who I consider friends and spend time with outside this website, constantly needling each other into arguments which are old, pointless and frankly, downright boring.

Dunno what the hell that all sums up to.

PS. I'm not so keen on the softcocks that attend TOTNRs. "There can be only ONE!"



YEAH WHAT HE SAID:not:

[Hitcher]

PS. I'm not so keen on the softcocks that attend TOTNRs. "There can be only ONE!"
Funny, that since you've left town there is only one...

[jrandom]

I respect and like almost everyone on here...

Because WT is so awesome and does such awesome wheelies, I totally agree with him. He is awesome, and by awesome, I mean totally sweet, and I love him with every part of my body. Including my pee-pee.

[Hitcher]

Thank you for that anatomical insight. Adding, as it does, a whole new dimension to "penis envy"...

[SixPackBack]

Because WT is so awesome and does such awesome wheelies, I totally agree with him. He is awesome, and by awesome, I mean totally sweet, and I love him with every part of my body. Including my pee-pee.

:sick: ..............

[White trash]

Because WT is so awesome and does such awesome wheelies, I totally agree with him. He is awesome, and by awesome, I mean totally sweet, and I love him with every part of my body. Including my pee-pee.

As I said, "I respect most members"

[jrandom]

As I said, "I respect most members"

Including mine?

[Big Dave]

When I was a kid I got no respect. I worked in a pet store. People kept askin' how* big I get.

I don't get no respect. I joined Gambler's Anonymous. They gave me two to one I don't make it.

I don't get no respect. I called Suicide Prevention. They tried to talk me into it.

I don't get no respect. I told my psychiatrist I got suicidal tendencies. He said from now on I have to pay in advance.

Hey , I don't get respect from anyone. Why, American Airlines, they thanked me for flying United.

I tell ya I get no respect from anyone. I bought a cemetary plot. The guy said, "There goes the neighborhood!"

I get no respect at all. I donated to a sperm bank. Now I'm the father of three puppies.

I tellin' ya, I get no respect. When I was in Switzerland, I got an obscene yodel.

Last Christmas I got no respect. In my stocking, I got an Odor-Eater.
With my wife I get no respect. I took her to a drive-in movie. I spent the whole night tryin' to find out what car she was in.

- Rodney.

[Scorpygirl]

Mate that is the best laugh I have had all day!!! :killingme I sugggest you go and have a nice cup of tea (or a beer) and have a lie down!!!! There, there!!! :grouphug:

[ducatilover]

thats legendary:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Biff]

I was going to post something along these lines just the other day, then I got a pang of the cantbearseditus.

Well said Mr H.

Interesting to see that a certain 'senior' member has posted in this thread agreeing with Mr H - yet he's becoming known (in the KB circles in which I hang) as one of the worst culprits of flaming and hurling abuse at other members here.

Play nice now.

[idb]

Well, this thread can't be about me so I've got nothing more to say on the subject!

[jrandom]

Interesting to see that a certain 'senior' member has posted in this thread agreeing with Mr H - yet he's becoming known (in the KB circles in which I hang) as one of the worst culprits of flaming and hurling abuse at other members here.

Yeah. That's just wrong, and mean and stuff.

Except when the recipients deserve it, and I'm in a bad mood.

[Biff]

Yeah. That's just wrong, and mean and stuff.

Except when the recipients deserve it, and I'm in a bad mood.

Alas poor Fishy - twas not you that I was referring to. Everyone knows you're just a cuddly jelly fish really.

[Test Pilot]

yeah i have noticed alot of off topic stuff happening in threads, dont mind to much but its annoying when it happens in a thread where someone is after information or help and they have to read through heaps of posts to find an answer

[idb]

yeah i have noticed alot of off topic stuff happening in threads, dont mind to much but its annoying when it happens in a thread where someone is after information or help and they have to read through heaps of posts to find an answer
That's right.
Look to the "To Pee Or Not To Pee" thread for some disgraceful OT posting.
Grrrrr!!

[BLACKYOSHI1000]

sorry guy`s and gal`s
im guilty of being wound up in the shit slinqing :bleh:
and i believe ( my opinion only)its about meeting and putting a face to the name :eyepoke:
i have meet one such person i was :brick: with and other`s also
and now have a totaly different point of view of those people
this is the first forum i have ever been on im not into com`s at all cant type `or spell for shit and took thing`s a little bit of what the fuck:bleh:
also known to have abit of a bad temper :angry2:
but hey dont hold it against me im not a bad bloke when ya get to know me
cheer`s jim

[ManDownUnder]

sorry guy`s and gal`s
im guilty of being wound up in the shit slinqing :bleh:
and i believe ( my opinion only)its about meeting and putting a face to the name :eyepoke:
i have meet one such person i was :brick: with and other`s also
and now have a totaly different point of view of those people
this is the first forum i have ever been on im not into com`s at all cant type `or spell for shit and took thing`s a little bit of what the fuck:bleh:
also known to have abit of a bad temper :angry2:
but hey dont hold it against me im not a bad bloke when ya get to know me
cheer`s jim

Tell ya what - I'll criticise you when I'm perfect... fair enough?

[Zed]

...im not a bad bloke when ya get to know meHey, didn't Agent Smith say something similar to that about himself in The Matrix Part 3!! Lol.

You're good in my books Jim, riden with you a few times now and even passed you on one occasion. :cool:

[Waylander]

Hey, didn't Agent Smith say something similar to that about himself in The Matrix Part 3!! Lol.

You're good in my books Jim, riden with you a few times now and even passed you on one occasion. :cool:
He must have just been cruisin' that time lol. Nah Jim you're cool. But gonna stay away from you when fireworks are near by.:confused: lol

[Ixion]

sorry guy`s and gal`s
im guilty of being wound up in the shit slinqing :bleh:
and i believe ( my opinion only)its about meeting and putting a face to the name :eyepoke:
i have meet one such person i was :brick: with and other`s also
and now have a totaly different point of view of those people
this is the first forum i have ever been on im not into com`s at all cant type `or spell for shit and took thing`s a little bit of what the fuck:bleh:
also known to have abit of a bad temper :angry2:
but hey dont hold it against me im not a bad bloke when ya get to know me
cheer`s jim

Never met you, and prolly never will ride with you (cos I ride alone ) , but your OK in my book. Don't give a stuff about spelling, or typing. You're a biker so you're OK. Right ?
And I have the patent rights on bad temper.. From what Iu've seen I reckn you're a good bloke (for a sprotsbike rider !:Punk:

Fuck. Ignore all this and I'm sorry if it rocks your boat the wrong way. i am totally pissed at the moment.

[Holy Roller]

Thanks guys though me old mate had come back (Zed) only to realise that the thread is 2 yrs old.

[westie]

Wow I'm glad I stoppped reading this at page 2. Its a long and needed thread.

If peoples names and contact details were needed and displayed to sign up to this forum I would think that people would clean their act up a bit.

I have been guilty of the stuff said in this forum but have since pulled my socks up as I want to be part of this great community.

Not all people are going to get on with each other and its how the scenario is dealt with that shows the kind of stuff a person is made of.

I hope the people that have made this site so awesome dont leave or even would come back. I think I've only met one.

Im not a hippy or bong chonga(any one up for it?)
Just a westy