Chicken or Egg? Which one came first?

[Marmoot]

Yeah, similar topic but not about the chickens this time...



Ok, Who else is tired of police not turning up for a crime???
I DO!
I mean, for God's sake, if I were a burglar and I know police don't even turn up to the crime scene then I wouldn't feel afraid of getting caught would I????
I would simply go about and do more burglaries, knowing they wouldn't even lift a finger to try to find me.

Yeah, I got my house burgled last Saturday, as some of youse know. I called the 111 straightaway in distress, and was told (in exact quote) "sir, being upset wouldn't help the situation now would it? I cannot help you if you don't talk like a human being" and when I queried him he only said "well, we didn't do the crime, you'll have to talk nicely to me"
(!!!! wtf??!?! That was a direct quote! should I literally be on my knees begging them for coming???)
Ok, I think I'll tell him "too bad, crying wouldn't help" when his father gets killed coz "I am not the one that killed him"
Right now it's been about 45 hours after the incident. Hardly a record considering the last time (1 year ago) it took them more than 72 hours to show up and fingerprint the broken window (yheah, the prints were all gone. They should've been sued for being accomplice in the crime).

I am fucken sick and tired of this society (see first paragraph above) where crimes don't get resolved, and where crimes get more abound because they don't even get investigated.
I know me alone would not change anything. But I am sure there are thousands others with similar case like mine. IT IS TIME FOR US TO UNITE AND SPEAK UP FOR FUTURE'S SAKE!!!

WHO IS WITH ME? :angry:

[Eurodave]

I hear ya dude, the f*&kin cops need to stop concentrating on giving out fines for petty traffic violations & START CATCHING THE BAD GUYS cause isnt that what we pay them to do?????:mad:

[Marmoot]

I want to see if we can get together enough voice so we can speak up and end this mockery of law for now
We should organize a petition or something with thousands of signatures. I know there are thousands of you out there. Speak up.
If you stay quiet, it will happen again and again. To you, the ones that you love, and everybody else. Let's end this!

[Lou Girardin]

It's simple economics really, how much is the Govt going to get by catching and jailing a burglar?

[mstriumph]

1. The cop that spoke to you on the phone needs to get his knickers out of a knot, realise that someone who has just been robbed is going to be upset and angry and that it's not personally directed against HIM - end of story. Report him - he obviously needs more training and you could save other victims the chore of having to deal with his itsy bitsy hurt feelings/ego.

2. If they don't turn up within a reasonable period I would think you are owed an explaination .......... if it turns out to be a matter of ROUTINE that they are tardy for this sort of offence - or that they have it prioritized somewhere below parking offences and their lunchbreak then mebbe that's the time to start a petition ...

3. Really sorry to hear what's happened to you - understandable that you are upset .... you don't deserve to have things made worse by obnoxious idiots at the other end of a phone line. Hope things improve.

[heavenly.talker]

Response time is not the people on the beat's fault. They are overworked and under resourced. So yes, a petition that gives them support might be a good idea :-)

[Beemer]

If you rang 111 for a burglary then you probably got the response you deserved - unless the burglar was still at the scene, it's not exactly what 111 is for. And it probably wasn't a cop who took your call, it would be an emergency operator. If you've ever worked in a call centre, you'd understand why they tried to get you to calm down. There is no way you can do anything until the person calms down enough to speak clearly and you can work out what the problem is.

And he was right - HE didn't burgle your house so it's no point getting on his case. I used to love the customers who called when I worked for a power company - like it was MY fault their power had been cut off because they didn't pay their bill on time?

Don't you read the newspapers? They are always going on about WHAT 111 is for - EMERGENCIES - not burglaries after the bad guys have left, not cats up trees, not things that can be dealt with by calling the local station.

[MikeL]

Commiserations, Marmoot.
My story, however, is a bit different.

On Sunday my wife and I were sitting out in the garden enjoying a pre-dinner drink. A guy appeared around the corner of the house, called out to us "I'm looking for a puppy - neighbour said he ran onto your property." We said no, he disappeared. Some time later we found two digital cameras missing from the house. Called the police, got put through straight away, gave details, and were told someone would contact us and come out today. True enough, a policewoman from the burglary squad came out today at 1:30; would have taken fingerprints but clearly no point. At least they responded. Full marks.

I can't explain why some people get good service and others don't. At least I'm grateful there was such prompt action.


If anyone sees a Sony V1 Cybershot or a Kodak digital camera Easyshare CX7330 being offered round pubs or elsewhere and it looks a bit dodgy let me know.

[Colapop]

Commiserations, Marmoot.
My story, however, is a bit different.

On Sunday my wife and I were sitting out in the garden enjoying a pre-dinner drink. A guy appeared around the corner of the house, called out to us "I'm looking for a puppy - neighbour said he ran onto your property." We said no, he disappeared. Some time later we found two digital cameras missing from the house. Called the police, got put through straight away, gave details, and were told someone would contact us and come out today. True enough, a policewoman from the burglary squad came out today at 1:30; would have taken fingerprints but clearly no point. At least they responded. Full marks.

I can't explain why some people get good service and others don't. At least I'm grateful there was such prompt action.


If anyone sees a Sony V1 Cybershot or a Kodak digital camera Easyshare CX7330 being offered round pubs or elsewhere and it looks a bit dodgy let me know.

For a start check Tardme on the camera front - xmas time quick money.

The police will turn up if there is someones life at stake, do we have to say "There's a burgler in my house right now"?

[Marmoot]

If you rang 111 for a *...* the bad guys have left, not cats up trees, not things that can be dealt with by calling the local station.

I believe you're missing my point.
Crimes don't get investigated, and it will lead to more crimes because they simply become bolder.

Government need to be stuck up on the wall and be told about this, unless you want this to continue. Maybe until you get struck?

[Colapop]

I believe you're missing my point.
Crimes don't get investigated, and it will lead to more crimes because they simply become bolder.

Government need to be stuck up on the wall and be told about this, unless you want this to continue. Maybe until you get struck?

It's been proven in other areas, once a group starts to get too greedy then the cops will step in. I can't remember the area but I do remember the police targeting a particular family and over the course of 2 weeks overall crime dropped by 40%. Burglaries dropped by something like 80%. No, Marmoot that doesn't help you right now, you're still pissed and have every right to be. The point is that if those people are targeted then the flow on effect is huge. How do we target these people?

[jahrasti]

[QUOTE=Beemer]If you rang 111 for a burglary then you probably got the response you deserved - unless the burglar was still at the scene, it's not exactly what 111 is for. And it probably wasn't a cop who took your call, it would be an emergency operator. If you've ever worked in a call centre, you'd understand why they tried to get you to calm down. There is no way you can do anything until the person calms down enough to speak clearly and you can work out what the problem is.

Oh yea and what about when the burglars are still there? When my other half was living by herself at the time and some wankers were trying to get in by trying all the doors(the second time in one week)so she rang 111, well some stupid civie bitch didnt give a fuck and asked were all the doors locked? well you will be alright and didnt even get a patrol car sent out as it would take to long.Fucken bullshit, You can drive from the mount copshop to the house in 5 mins and less with sirens going at 1 am.Any way what about some hearts and minds? What about going out to make sure she is ok, as it was she was scared witless so i got time off work to go up and was ready to end those cunts if they turned up. I lost alot of respect for the police after that day .

[geoffm]

What are you complaining about - at least they turned up!
Can't say they have ever done that for me - including one time when $12k of stuff was taken from the van, out of sight behind the house, while we were at home. Couldn't give a shit sums it up.
So what is your score - out extended family is now in the double figures - mainly car breakins and small stuff off the farm
Geoff

[cowpoos]

the egg came first....its comletely logical....






I dunno...silly people :wait:

[Goblin]

the egg came first....its comletely logical....


Fried, poached or boiled?

[froggyfrenchman]

bad luck bout your house mate! hope it all comes good for ya

[cowpoos]

Fried, poached or boiled?

O I don't care....you just hurry up women....I'm hungry!!!!!!

[Goblin]

Or unfwertilised?

[Sackman]

Sausages or bacon??

[cowpoos]

Or unfwertilised?

I'm easy...you'll get a good fertiziling later......wheres me eggs women...shit...whats a man got to do to get a feed!!!!!!

and :beer:

[Goblin]

They're still in the chickens!

[cowpoos]

They're still in the chickens!

well squeeze them out....

[Beemer]

I believe you're missing my point.
Crimes don't get investigated, and it will lead to more crimes because they simply become bolder.

And I believe you are missing MY point - you DON'T RING 111 FOR A BURGLARY!!! By all means report the burglary, but calling 111 in this instance is like calling 111 for the fire brigade for a scorch mark on your carpet!

No matter how many cops they have, they will never eradicate burglary as long as there are people willing to buy goods with a dodgy provenance.

[The_Dover]

Just get a gun. Even a BB gun. It'll sting the fuckers at least and if you it them in a sweet spot do a little more damage!!

Failing that a fuck off big knife and chase them!

[cowpoos]

Just get a gun. Even a BB gun. It'll sting the fuckers at least and if you it them in a sweet spot do a little more damage!!

Failing that a fuck off big knife and chase them!

you might damage my eggs twat!!!!!!!!!! :bash:

[The_Dover]

So have them scrambled cuntry boy!! What you scared of a few pubes from the carpet or stones from the yard?

[Goblin]

It sucks to have stuff stolen. Its PC gone mad! My daughtr's phone was nicked out of her bag during PE a few weeks back. She knew who stole it so I went down to the school to see if they would ask for it back. Didnt see any point in going to the cops as they wouldnt do anything anyway(they were all too busy with the double murder under the bridge). Well the next day I rang my girls phone and this woman answered it. I had quite a conversation with her & found out her name and address and that she'd bought the phone the night before. Decided to go to the cops and lodge a complaint....told them all the details and how good it would look for their statisics to have one solved theft. Only the address she gave me is in the heart of black power turf. Went back to the school and asked if they'd spoken to the girl but was told they cant just accuse anyone without proof. PC bullshit! Back in the day, if anything was stolen out of a bag, the whole school would have been lined up in the hall and searched while teachers went through lockers. The theif would then get the cane...six of the best!!
That's whats wrong with the society these days...bring back corpral punnishment I say!
So the thieving little bitch gets away with it and there's no conciquences.





CP....make your own friggin eggs!:bleh:

[Ixion]

And I believe you are missing MY point - you DON'T RING 111 FOR A BURGLARY!!! By all means report the burglary, but calling 111 in this instance is like calling 111 for the fire brigade for a scorch mark on your carpet!

No matter how many cops they have, they will never eradicate burglary as long as there are people willing to buy goods with a dodgy provenance.

It is this philosophy that burglary (and such "property" crimes) are not actually crimes at all that is the fundamental cause of the present day lawlessness. Yes, it's easy to say that burglary is "only property" . Expecting the police to take notice of it is like "calling the fire brigade for a scorch mark on the carpet". But the police themselves claim that burglary is the "starting school" for serious criminals. Burgle a house ? Yeah bro, that's not really crime is it? And let's do some more - then one day there's someone home. Just an old lady though. And by now the bros see it as their RIGHT to help themselves to other peoples' property. Can't be anything wrong with it can there, cos even the police think it's OK, they don't bother with it. So if the old lady objects, she gets worked over - shouldn't stick her oar in right?

Burglars DO NOT just steal property. They steal independance, they steal dignity, they steal peace of mind. I know old folk who don't sleep at night. Ever. Because they're too scared to . They sit up all night listening for noises. Silly? Maybe. But when someone's stolen their property, and their security, once, they can't ever feel safe again. Others I know of have abandoned their homes and gone into care, not because they couldn't look after themselves, but just because burglars stole their self confidence .

Don't tell me burglary is just like a scorch mark on the carpet, and just report it and forget it. It's a cruel , greedy selfish CRIME. And CRIME is what policing is supposed to be about. The victim of a burglary HAS EVERY RIGHT TO EXPECT THE POLICE TO REGARD IT AS SUCH.

[Jantar]

If you rang 111 for a burglary then you probably got the response you deserved - unless the burglar was still at the scene, it's not exactly what 111 is for. .

Using you logic then we shouldn't use 111 to report a muder either, unless the murderer is still at the scene.

Get real here. A crime (burglary) has been committed, and the quicker the police are on the job the more chance there is of getting uncomtaminated evidence to solve it.

Oh I forgot... Burglary isn't a crime anymore. But in that case do wish the police would give us a list of crimes that we are now allowed to commit.

[Marmoot]

Burglary isn't a crime anymore.

is that really a serious assumption going on at large among the law society right now?

And, yes Ixion you are right. The missus felt really insecure right now and it just breaks my heart to see her that way. Break-ins really violated your safety-feel in a way that you'd think there is nowhere safe anymore. As I said, if you can't feel safe in your own home, where else would you feel safe at?

We now twitch at every wood squeak, open the bedroom to check on the lounge at every single knock sound, and sleeps at night with a hammer beside the bed. We now act like dogs. Is this the society that we want? Is this what New Zealand should be about?

I'd say NO. We always boast about being a lawful society, then we'd better start acting like one. Or should we take up justice onto our own hand because the state can't provide us with one?
Where is the 'to protect and to serve' (yes it is written on their cars) if they can't even make us feel safe?

I don't ask for much. Just a mere presence and asking questions would bring some peace of mind to the ones that have been violated, but they even failed to do that.

I'm not blaming the police front line, but rather saying this Government DOES have something wrong in their priorities. :spudwhat:

And the more we let them be, the worse it will get. Apathy would be a sin to our children when they can't even live without fear.

[jrandom]

One of the apparent policy thingos that came out of the recent election was a commitment to hire a thousand new frontline police officers, as far as I understood it. A 33% or so increase over the current number.

That, and (obviously) allocation of the concomitant funding, is the only real solution. And these thousand new officers will take time to find and train.

What, apart from this, are you suggesting that the Government does about it? And let me guess... when you're not being burgled, you probably moan about high tax rates.

Now, I feel your pain about the burglary. I know what it feels like to sleep with a weapon under the bed because it's the best risk-management option you can think of. Don't think that I'm being insensitive and froth at the mouth in response to this.

But, seriously, if all you can do in response to this situation is rant at the Gubmint for failing to Do Something About It, perhaps you should move to France and go on strike.

[ManDownUnder]

Yeah it's a beautiful catch 22

Don't take the law into your own hands - you'll get done for it

Don't rely on the police responding in time because they're doing their best with a woeful lack of resources.

If the country was being run like my business I'd boost the number of cops through the roof, nail the theiving raping malingering little bastards for about 5 years till the message got through, at which time the cop numbers could drop back to a more appropriate level.

Setting the expectations of society (and the bad guys within society) is what's needed. Right now those expectations are being set, but in entirely the wrong way.

They simply don't expect to get caught, and if they do, it doesn't hurt them.

MDU

[Coyote]

It sucks to have stuff stolen. Its PC gone mad! My daughtr's phone was nicked out of her bag during PE a few weeks back. She knew who stole it so I went down to the school to see if they would ask for it back. Didnt see any point in going to the cops as they wouldnt do anything anyway(they were all too busy with the double murder under the bridge). Well the next day I rang my girls phone and this woman answered it. I had quite a conversation with her & found out her name and address and that she'd bought the phone the night before. Decided to go to the cops and lodge a complaint....told them all the details and how good it would look for their statisics to have one solved theft. Only the address she gave me is in the heart of black power turf. Went back to the school and asked if they'd spoken to the girl but was told they cant just accuse anyone without proof. PC bullshit! Back in the day, if anything was stolen out of a bag, the whole school would have been lined up in the hall and searched while teachers went through lockers. The theif would then get the cane...six of the best!!
That's whats wrong with the society these days...bring back corpral punnishment I say!
So the thieving little bitch gets away with it and there's no conciquences.

My Dad being a teacher, I hear a lot about this crap. Teachers now have to obide to the kids rules and have to put up with their shit with a smile. A good example is when my Dad sent this girl outside. He goes outside and does the usual 'don't do that agin, be quiet' routine and sends her back in. Then his principle gives him greif the next day because he received a complaint that he had called this girl a bitch and there were several witnesses to this, and who did the principle believe when my Dad said he didn't call her a bitch? The kid. Fortunately the 'witnesses' were discredited as there were a few good kids who said there was no one to hear both of them, and the girl was discredited too as she was a bitch anyway. The world has gone completely mad


The cops were probably busy waiting at the side of the road for bikers to go past them so they could start following them so they're there when they make a 'mistake'. Sorry to hear about the break in Marmoot

[The Stranger]

The best deterrent for crime is the certainty of getting caught.

As Marmoot quite rightly points out there is a certainty of not getting caught as things stand now. Thus crimes of this type need solving or will continue to escalate in number. As they do so, i.e. now, the ability of the police force to address them decreases even more.

Failure to address these "insignificant" crimes cost us a lot of money in insurances and may yet reach the point where many can not afford insurance.

The issue therefore should be to address "small" crimes early before they get out of hand. These cost society a lot more in the long run, both in dollars and quality of life.

As for additional taxes, well I wouldn't object if I knew the money was not going to be robbed for something else as in the long run it should net a saving, however, why not divert some resources from the really "big" problem of catching speeders to real law enforcement. As it stands now, the only chance of a burglar getting caught is if they speed from the scene of the crime.

[ManDownUnder]

As it stands now, the only chance of a burglar getting caught is if they speed from the scene of the crime.

That's so true it's both sad and funny...

[Beemer]

I'm not saying burglary isn't a crime, I'm saying that the 111 line is for EMERGENCIES or life threatening occurrences. I would be really brassed off if someone broke into my house (it has happened in the past but thankfully not where we live now) and stole my property because it IS a crime, but I would not call 111 unless the burglars were still at the scene. It's all a matter of timing and severity. If you have an accident and someone is hurt, yes, ring 111 and ask for an ambulance. If you open your car door and accidently whack someone on the leg with it, you don't call 111. The same goes for a burglary. My reference to calling the fire brigade for a scorch mark on the carpet was to illustrate that they are there to fight fires, not turn up AFTER the event.

I had my raincoat stolen when at school many years ago and pointed out the kid who was actually wearing it at the time to a teacher. Nothing was done because they couldn't accuse the kid - despite the fact my name was in the back of the coat and it could have been checked quickly. A week later the principal had something stolen and the school was turned upside down - we all had our bags, desks and lockers inspected.

Burlary is NOT a victimless or minor crime, but my whole reason for responding was to point out why the cops are getting fed up with people using 111 to report non-emergencies. I think they need a dedicated burglary squad just as they have a highway patrol squad. Instead of being diverted to other duties, they could solely concentrate on solving burglaries and putting the offenders away for it. I remember them targeting that family and finding burglary rates dropped significantly. But they need resources and manpower to do this and I doubt they have it right now.

Yes, rant and rave about burglary, it is a nasty and cruel crime (especially those who steal personal belongings like jewellery, videos, photo albums, etc), but don't ring 111, that's NOT what it's there for!