Bike vs Car cornering speeds?

[korowetere]

Driving back from the beach on Sunday we drove through some pretty tight corners and steep hills (Awhitu peninsula). Now, I own a turbo Nissan Skyline (yes, I know :yes: ) and this thing corners like it's on rails. 65km/h bends at 120km type of thing.

How does a modern sportsbike compare to a car for cornering in the tight stuff?

[flash]

i had a go in my mum focus (brand new) up in the hills today....i hated it, i felt like i had to spin the wheel before i could do a sharp coner at speed. ild go faster on a bike anyday

[robnz]

on the twisty bits you will bes ucking car exhaust all the way. simple case of having more rubber on the road

[flash]

on the twisty bits you will bes ucking car exhaust all the way. simple case of having more rubber on the road


but a modern sports bike will have like a bazillion times more acceleration out of every corner, so it should catch up then...

[N4CR]

Hmm... yoshi has a mint r33 which shot past me on a ride (flaming zorst and all)... I ended up trying to stay with him through some 70-120kmh twisties, when I got into the groove he didn't pull away and I didn't loose ground. Somehow I think that he was not pushing it. I know the bike had more in it as well. (I had never ridden the road either :|)

In general the argument that has been done to death is: 4x contact patches which would (weight etc) proportionately be bigger than a bikes two (or one ;) ). A car also has aerodynamics to hold it there.

A car can be ridden at 110% (eg drifting/sliding where needed). I bike cannot be ridden above 100% (as a general rule, yes they can slide too etc) or else you wake up in a bed somewhere... :doh:

Therefore ya average sports car will shit on a bike through the twisties. I don't rate the chances as well when up against a heavily tuned 2 stroke 250 sports bike or something similar though.

[White trash]

Race ya from Kopu to Whitianga on Riff Raffs SV, that'll learn ya.

Edit: For the record, Performance Bikes tested a heavily moddified WRX angainst a GS500 and a GSXR1000. tested the cornering between all three on a constant radius circle, the car was howling tyres, switching between understeer/oversteer, barely managing to hold a line. Even the lowly GS could choose whether to ride 'round it or duck up the inside. The only place the car out performed either bike was in braking.

[flash]

Therefore ya average sports car will shit on a bike through the twisties. I don't rate the chances as well when up against a heavily tuned 2 stroke 250 sports bike or something similar though.

oh yeah, go the two stroke 250's, nothing can beat them...

[korowetere]

ya average sports car will shit on a bike through the twisties. .

Hmm. I figured as much but good to have it confirmed by those with actual experience on a bike.

[Sensei]

Raced a 350KW Clubsport on my Speedtriple couldn't lose him even in the corner's I was 2 wheel drifting the bike & only just making alittle then when the straight came up he would fly past . This went on for 40min till I got into a real tight piece a road then made a few K's on him . Bloody hard work I must say .

[N4CR]

oh yeah, go the two stroke 250's, nothing can beat them...

Corner speed on them is pretty decent when compared to your gixxers etc. They are much lighter and can also change direction quickly when in the hands of a skilled rider.

Hence the "I don't rate the chances as well" comment....

[nodrog]

... Therefore ya average sports car will shit on a bike through the twisties. .....

yeah right :killingme

[N4CR]

yeah right :killingme

Go try beat a porsche with an above average edit:driver through the twisties. That's an average sportscar...

I highly doubt it will happen.

Straights is another story though ;)

[trumpy]

Just a comparison on the track: a Formula Ford (over 400kg with driver and 115hp tops....unless he's cheating) needs to get around Taupo on most days around a 40.5secs or you wont be on the first 3 or 4 rows of the grid. Brendon Hartly (at 15yrs old the little bugger) has put himself on pole with a 39.8! Most sports 600's will easily outpace a FF down the straight but certainly not put in that sort of lap time so the difference must be in braking ability (I used to brake at 50 meters off the front straight and I'm an old fat bastard) and cornering.

[texmo]

Well My dad has an old v8 ferrari 3ltr its a mondial worht about 60k dose 150miles per hour top speed, we had a race for about 5mins on sh16 with a kawaka 636, we came up behind him and over took, he had small cock syndrome and tryed to chase he was just about to overtake but we hit a corner, he was quite fast but after the 4th corner he was gone, in saying this though my dad used to race formula fords...

[scumdog]

Most of the posts stating the bike was faster on XX track are probably fact BUT on a NZ road with bumps and ripples I'd say (neck on the line here) that a car would be faster as it has four tyres to make contact - a bike only needs ONE tyre to hit a ripply piece and that is 50% of it's potential grip gone, also a sideways drift is easier to recover from in a car as opposed to a bike.
Of course a bike has a wider 'lane' to move around on (as per track stuff) but on an 'unknown' road that advantage is whittled right back.

[trumpy]

There is one more more issue to throw into the equation: skill required for a given level of performance. Having raced single seaters both in the late seventies (yeah guys, that's before some of your parents even met!) and in more recent times, then coming back to bikes (dirt a few years ago and road a couple of months ago) I believe it is much harder to ride a bike to its limits than to hold a car on the limit (that's my excuse for being a nana on my bike and I'm sticking to it!). My business partner who is 15 years my junior is an ex national single seater champion, advanced driving instructor, sometime race school instructor and rides a CR500 in his spare time, fully agrees. There is much more to do at any given time to make a bike perform well.

[Lou Girardin]

I've never had a car keep up let alone pass me. But then, who knows how good they are, how hard they're trying etc. There's too many variables to be sure.

[N4CR]

Scumdog has a good point about road conditions, I have got the bike quite far over for a few corners and it wasn't much quicker than a properly modded mr2 turbo, and that ain't even a decent sports car (for most).

But you still see bikes giving cars the learn on a fair amount of tracks.

[ManDownUnder]

Race ya from Kopu to Whitianga on Riff Raffs SV, that'll learn ya.

Edit: For the record, Performance Bikes tested a heavily moddified WRX angainst a GS500 and a GSXR1000. tested the cornering between all three on a constant radius circle, the car was howling tyres, switching between understeer/oversteer, barely managing to hold a line. Even the lowly GS could choose whether to ride 'round it or duck up the inside. The only place the car out performed either bike was in braking.

Shit I gotta brush up on my cornering then...

[bugjuice]

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Top Gear reckons cars are better, cos JC hates bikes, but 5th Gear had a Duc against a Lambo, and the Duc beat the Lambo by something like 1 second. Horses for courses. Look at the times the F1 class race at Puke compared to the V8s. Then check the times at Taupo..

[Leong]

Of course a bike has a wider 'lane' to move around on (as per track stuff) but on an 'unknown' road that advantage is whittled right back.

This was one of the first things I learnt..... Public roads aren't much wider on a bike, because you need to allow a greater margin for error. As someone else said, a little drift in a car is much easier to control than the same on a bike, and you need more margin for those bits of loose metal thrown up by cars. If you're used to taking a wide line into corners in a car, be careful not to do the same too much on the bike when you're learning, especially right hand turns. If you're just a little late getting the bike leaned over you can run out of road very quickly. Bikes can't change direction as quickly as a car with "sports" suspension etc. I found this out the hard way riding my bike after doing the coro loop in the car earlier in the day.


There is one more more issue to throw into the equation: skill required for a given level of performance. ............ I believe it is much harder to ride a bike to its limits than to hold a car on the limit (that's my excuse for being a nana on my bike and I'm sticking to it!).

Agree completely even though my experience is biased, 30yrs in cars and less than 3mths on a bike.

For me, my car will always be quicker thru the twisties, but the enjoyment and satisfaction factor will probably continue to be higher on the bike. Hopefully, in another month or so, my bike may actually outperform my car on the straights!!

[Matt Bleck]

Depends on a hole lotta shit.

What driver, what car, what bike, what tyres, bla bla bla....

To say a bike is quicker than a car or vise versa, is like asking how long is a peice of string........:bash:

[bugjuice]

To say a bike is quicker than a car or vise versa, is like asking how long is a peice of string........:bash:
twice the distance from one end to the middle :bleh:

[Matt Bleck]

:doh: You just had to didn't ya......

[Motu]

To say a bike is quicker than a car or vise versa, is like asking how long is a peice of string........:bash:

That's why every month when this subject crops up again I say you have to compare the toppermost of the toppermost for each in motorsport - F1 and MotoGP,the fastest cars and the fastest bikes on the planet with the very best riders and drivers in each.The bike doesn't have a shit show in hell - end of story.

[justsomeguy]

No time to read all the stuff-

Let me put it this way:

A good car will shit over a good bike with driver/rider skills being equal.

[justsomeguy]

The fastest cars and the fastest bikes on the planet with the very best riders and drivers in each.The bike doesn't have a shit show in hell - end of story.

Aye.............:yes:

... and that's the truth whether you like it or not:wait:

[clint640]

Luckily back here in the real world the WRXEVOF40GTRHSVFPV is gonna be be stuck behind a smelly truck while we tootle past in the vastly smaller amount of space required to execute a safe overtaking maneuver on a bike :yes:

Cheers
Clint

[madboy]

I've got a quickish bike (636) and I've had a quickish car (modded Lancer GSR ~200kw at the wheels). Straight line, the bike annihilates the car. Passing, the bike annihilates the car. Wheelies, the bike annihilates the car. But for burnouts, the car annihilates the bike. On corners, the car annihilates the bike. Braking, car wins. Bumps...

It's all very well if you're Whitetrash Jnr on a K6 thou running slicks on a perfectly smooth racetrack, but as Scumdog said the roads ain't like that. One little bump, oil patch, bit of gravel... But add in traffic to pass and the bike is back again... but then it rains...

Oh jeez, I really need to get back to work...

[bigbadwolf]

did you guys see top gear when they raced the ariel atom (300bhp, 452kg) against a bike with a similar power to weight ratio? the car wasted the bike because it has around four times the contact area of rubber on the road. but the ariel atom is pretty much a road legal go kart (see the pic attached). a decent car will be more stable, have higher downforce and much more grip on the road than a bike

generally a sports car can beat a bike if the driver is awesome, but the guy on the bike will be having waaaaaaay more fun :2thumbsup

(not that anyone here is condoning street racing or anything)

[bugjuice]

did you guys see top gear when they raced the ariel atom (300bhp, 452kg) against a bike with a similar power to weight ratio? the car wasted the bike because it has around four times the contact area of rubber on the road. but the ariel atom is pretty much a road legal go kart (see the pic attached). a decent car will be more stable, have higher downforce and much more grip on the road than a bike

generally a sports car can beat a bike if the driver is awesome, but the guy on the bike will be having waaaaaaay more fun :2thumbsup

(not that anyone here is condoning street racing or anything)
ok, that was a little bit wrong. You can't race two machines that are 'equal' on power-to-weight ratio, cos first up, that doesn't work, and secondly, the 1.8 supercharged Atom vs a stock CBR600RR just aren't in the same league. JC compared the power output of the Atom to that of a Ferrari. Would you pitch the same CBR600 against a Ferrari?

[robnz]

what do you expect. clarkson would never allow himself to be beaten by a bike of any sort

[bigbadwolf]

what do you expect. clarkson would never allow himself to be beaten by a bike of any sort

lol thats true. but dam i'd love to have an atom... mmm... 600bhp per tonne.... of course if i took it out on the back roads i'd run through 3 powerpoles, a fence, someone's barn and a few sheep before exploding and dying in a bloody mess, but it would be fun up until that point :banana:

[justsomeguy]

I went down SH16 on Sunday with a guy who used to do speedway racing at Onehunga in a bog standard nissan stagea rs4 - completely wasted a red 04/03 636 --- until we came upon some traffic and he dissappeared.

Was funny seeing the fella in his flashy leathers look into his mirrors and seeing a dirty old silver wagon in it:killingme

[bugjuice]

yeah, but spin that round. Get an average guy in a car and a good rider..
you can't compare like that..

and for the record, can I point out, yes I was down SH16 last weekend, but that bike was red

[loosebruce]

It all comes down to the person behind the wheel or riding the bike at the end of the day, i gave a 911 turbo the learn over Kopu - Hikuai on the GSXR, but i'm sure with a competent driver behind the wheel, it would've been me chasing him.
Its just that in my time i've come up against some fast cars, but never the driver behind the wheel to drive the car fast emough to hassle me. One day though i will meet one, i know a car has a good advantage over a bike in terms of grip/braking, those that are saying yeah right, car faster than bike are just taking the piss out of yourself, wise up.

[justsomeguy]

and for the record, can I point out, yes I was down SH16 last weekend, but that bike was red

That fella looked bigger than you and he wore red/black/whitish leathers.

Or was it you?? Do ya remember being chased by a silver station wagon???

[bugjuice]

no, wasn't me.. I don't get chased by cages
plus Postie was on the back.

[Motu]

those that are saying yeah right, car faster than bike are just taking the piss out of yourself, wise up.

Nah,you better wise up - if you ever come across a fast car with a very good driver you will never see them.It's just most of the people we come across who can afford to drive a fast car are real old farts who couldn't give a toss about going fast.How many Lambo's have you seen in Auckland city?.....heaps eh?...how many Lambo's have you seen on SH22?...SFA.Hang your ego up with the toothpaste leathers,a car will cream a bike,ask Schumacher which is fastest,or Rossi....both have ridden and driven both.

[flash]

you cant keep comparing a f1 with a gp bike. a bike is only 1L, while a f1 is 8L and can use aerodynamics better to stay upright on corners.

remember a f1 car has so much down force, it can drive upside down...

Go the bikes!!

[Motu]

you cant keep comparing a f1 with a gp bike. a bike is only 1L, while a f1 is 8L and can use aerodynamics better to stay upright on corners.

remember a f1 car has so much down force, it can drive upside down...

Go the bikes!!


So stop complaining and make an 8 litre bike with aerodynamics! For fucks sake - it's a CAR! it has 4 wheels,4 brakes room for a huge engine and can have a body with all sorts of tricks - THAT IS THE ADVANTAGE!!!!!

An F1 car is 2.5 litres and V8.

[WINJA]

Race ya from Kopu to Whitianga on Riff Raffs SV, that'll learn ya.

Edit: For the record, Performance Bikes tested a heavily moddified WRX angainst a GS500 and a GSXR1000. tested the cornering between all three on a constant radius circle, the car was howling tyres, switching between understeer/oversteer, barely managing to hold a line. Even the lowly GS could choose whether to ride 'round it or duck up the inside. The only place the car out performed either bike was in braking.
THEY ALSO TESTED THE NSX AGAINST A BLADE , IT WAS NO CONTEST THE BIKE KILLED IT , SO JUST IMAGINE HOW MUCH FURTHER BEHIND THE NSX WOULD HAVE BEEN IF IT WAS RACING A GOOD BIKE LIKE A GIXXER

[flash]

So stop complaining and make an 8 litre bike with aerodynamics! For fucks sake - it's a CAR! it has 4 wheels,4 brakes room for a huge engine and can have a body with all sorts of tricks - THAT IS THE ADVANTAGE!!!!!

An F1 car is 2.5 litres and V8.

im not complaining, im just saying you cant compare them. its like comparing a plane with a boat (sorter)

[korowetere]

I had no idea what a can of worms I was opening :slap:

[justsomeguy]

THEY ALSO TESTED THE NSX AGAINST A BLADE , IT WAS NO CONTEST THE BIKE KILLED IT , SO JUST IMAGINE HOW MUCH FURTHER BEHIND THE NSX WOULD HAVE BEEN IF IT WAS RACING A GOOD BIKE LIKE A GIXXER

This thread deals with CORNERING SPEEDS a proper sports car will be faster anyday.

[justsomeguy]

I had no idea what a can of worms I was opening :slap:

Don't worry mate - we do this about once a month around here.

[WINJA]

This thread deals with CORNERING SPEEDS a proper sports car will be faster anyday.
ONE OF THE PICS WAS A NSX IN A CORNER OUTA CONTROL AND THE GUY ON THE BIKE FLIPPING THE NSX DRIVER THE BIRD OVERTAKING ROUND THE OUT SIDE, DEFINE PROPER SPORTS CAR CAUSE I HAVENT FOUND ONE THAT CAN OUT CORNER ME EXCEPT ON GRAVEL

[Marmoot]

You guys are debating something based solely on bias and not the actual physics. :mad:

Fact: Bikes can corner better than car! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Why? Because the relative mass between testicular liquid on bike is better than on car.

Because of that, intra-testicular gland liquid flow greatly affects the bike when cornering, due to the liquid shloshes here and there, adding to the wheel traction.

In car, however, the flow does not have any effect. That's why small-penis people rather have flashy cars than bike due to inability to control the cornering because they do not have enough glandular effect.

See my postings on Wheelies/Stoppies thread as well.

Testicular Liquid (TM) is the answer to everything, including why Space Shuttle needs so much thrust to escape the Earth's gravity (and why they put women astronauts, to keep the number of Testicular pairs down and reduce thrust requirements)

[korowetere]

You guys are debating something based solely on bias and not the actual physics. :mad:

Fact: Bikes can corner better than car! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Why? Because the relative mass between testicular liquid on bike is better than on car.

Because of that, intra-testicular gland liquid flow greatly affects the bike when cornering, due to the liquid shloshes here and there, adding to the wheel traction.

In car, however, the flow does not have any effect. That's why small-penis people rather have flashy cars than bike due to inability to control the cornering because they do not have enough glandular effect.

See my postings on Wheelies/Stoppies thread as well.

Testicular Liquid (TM) is the answer to everything, including why Space Shuttle needs so much thrust to escape the Earth's gravity.


That's the best explanation I've seen so far :2thumbsup

[KLOWN]

I have an rg150 and have been riding for less than a month. Today I had two cars racing each other come up behind me, I slowed down and waved them passed. After they passed I hit the gas to see if i could keep up, soon we reached a few posted 25-35 corners which i had to slow down so I didn't run up the back of the cars but when we passed those corners the cars ended up leaving me for dead. I admit i'm not a great rider and I don't know the skill level of the drivers but it seems to me that bikes can hit the real tight corners better than cars because we just don't have the weight or size that cars do but when it comes to faster corners, cars have it but real fast corners I think bikes and fAST cars are equal. Just my 2 cents

[justsomeguy]

DEFINE PROPER SPORTS CAR CAUSE I HAVENT FOUND ONE THAT CAN OUT CORNER ME EXCEPT ON GRAVEL

Skyline GTR, EVO MR, WRX STi RS, any 2 seater Ferrari later than 1990, any porsche later 1982, the current Lambo range, Elises, BMW M series cars, C-Class AMG mercs ........



The list is pretty long, but I guess you get my drift....

[WINJA]

Skyline GTR, EVO MR, WRX STi RS, any 2 seater Ferrari later than 1990, any porsche later 1982, the current Lambo range, Elises, BMW M series cars, C-Class AMG mercs ........



The list is pretty long, but I guess you get my drift....
RACE SOME RICH FUCKS IN PORSCHES THRU RIVER HEAD ROAD 2 EASY , THEY WERE RACING EACHOTHER I OVER TOOK PULLED OVER , OVER TOOK AND PULLED OVER A FEW MORE TIMES SERIOUSLY TO EASY , ROUND CORNERS DOWN THE STRAIGHTS IT DOESNT MATTER , SOME PEOPLE ON BIKES THINK THEIR FAST SO WHEN THEY GET BEATEN BY A CAR THEY THINK THE CAR IS FAST , DEPENDS ON THE CIRCLES YOU RIDE IN AND THE CALIBRE OF RIDER YOU RACE AND PRACTICE WITH , SADLY SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE ONLY SEEN HOW SLOW A BIKE CAN BE NOT HOW FAST IT CAN BE .
"IF YOU HANG ROUND WITH CRIPPLES LONG ENOUGH YOULL SOON LEARN TO LIMP" THIS SHOULD BE YOUR STATEMENT OF THE YEAR HIJRA

[justsomeguy]

"IF YOU HANG ROUND WITH CRIPPLES LONG ENOUGH YOULL SOON LEARN TO LIMP" THIS SHOULD BE YOUR STATEMENT OF THE YEAR HIJRA

I know what you mean chutiya - I haven't been on any rides in bloody ages trying to sort out the blown engine....... haven't ridden a twisty road in over a month.....

Anyway - I may be able to go for a ride this weekend and do that ride we were supposed to do bloody weeks ago:slap:...... what's your schedule like??

[WINJA]

I know what you mean chutiya - I haven't been on any rides in bloody ages trying to sort out the blown engine....... haven't ridden a twisty road in over a month.....

Anyway - I may be able to go for a ride this weekend and do that ride we were supposed to do bloody weeks ago:slap:...... what's your schedule like??
ITS SHIT , I QUIT MY JOB AND IM STARTING A BUSINESS FROM SCRATCH

[justsomeguy]

ITS SHIT , I QUIT MY JOB AND IM STARTING A BUSINESS FROM SCRATCH

Ah damn - OK.....there are 2 coro loop rides this weekend - that and a bit of the dwive :love: should let me do about 1500ks of practice before the trackday.

[Mattyc]

Driving back from the beach on Sunday we drove through some pretty tight corners and steep hills (Awhitu peninsula). Now, I own a turbo Nissan Skyline (yes, I know :yes: ) and this thing corners like it's on rails. 65km/h bends at 120km type of thing.

How does a modern sportsbike compare to a car for cornering in the tight stuff?

ROFL you think a skyline handles !!! I have a Wrx Sti Type R coupe with adjustable platform suspension, not to mention its 4wd and has an adustable center differential, for a cage it handles like it is part of the road. its juuuuuuust about back on the road with a new top secret motor, hopefully on friday if i get time to put the engine back. My zx9 wood whoop it in most corners but theres the odd extra tight one like the over 90 degrees one in between orere and kawakawa bay that i personally could go faster round in the car , maybe someone else might be able to on a bike, but the sub i just throw it round 4 rally styles

lol a GTR may handle ....

meanwhile
Teri ma meri ghare nakri fara che

[korowetere]

ROFL you think a skyline handles !!! I have a Wrx Sti Type R coupe

That's nice.

I haven't driven a WRX so can't really comment on whose cage is better than the other or debate between different brands of rice burners. What I would say is that my GTST is better than 95% of cars on the road in the handling stakes, and that's stock.

The point of the the thread was, how does this compare to bikes.

[Mattyc]

That's nice.

I haven't driven a WRX so can't really comment on whose cage is better than the other or debate between different brands of rice burners. What I would say is that my GTST is better than 95% of cars on the road in the handling stakes, and that's stock.

The point of the the thread was, how does this compare to bikes.
I know and i did give a comparison later on, what i am trying to say is a skyline is a bad comparison as they handle like a boat. :)

[Edbear]

Hard to say on the road as so many variables, but Top Gear did a race tween a R1 and a car, (can't remember what car!) and the car beat the bike by 3/4 sec on the lap. Acceleration no contest, the bike creamed the car, (Porsche? Anyone remember?) but braking and cornering went to the car.

[Deviant Esq]

Couple of short points...

1. Holy caps lock, batman (Re: WINJA's posts)! :blink:

2. Just for clarification, the F1 engine has been (for the last several years) a 3.0 litre normally aspirated V10 which revs (depending on builder) out to around 19,000 rpm. For next season, the regulations have been altered to have a 2.4 litre normally aspirated V8 engine, primarily to reduce the speeds the cars have been getting to over the last couple of seasons. They also say that this will reduce the massive costs involved in F1, but that remains to be seen as builders will pour just as much money into any new engine.

Disclaimer: Just putting the right information out there, to help the knowledge levels of those professing to know but haven't Google'd it first :2thumbsup

[WINJA]

Couple of short points...

1. Holy caps lock, batman (Re: WINJA's posts)! :blink:

2. Just for clarification, the F1 engine has been (for the last several years) a 3.0 litre normally aspirated V10 which revs (depending on builder) out to around 19,000 rpm. For next season, the regulations have been altered to have a 2.4 litre normally aspirated V8 engine, primarily to reduce the speeds the cars have been getting to over the last couple of seasons. They also say that this will reduce the massive costs involved in F1, but that remains to be seen as builders will pour just as much money into any new engine.

Disclaimer: Just putting the right information out there, to help the knowledge levels of those professing to know but haven't Google'd it first :2thumbsup
IT MAY REDUCE COST CAUSE THET COULD JUST SLEEVE DOWN A 302WINDSOR OR 3500 ROVER ENGINES AND PUT THOSE IN AN F1 CAR , AND TO CUT SPENDING RIGHT BACK THEY COULD USE A 9 INCH DIFF. FUCKEN IDIOTS THOSE CARS ARE MEANT TO BE FAST

[texmo]

That's nice.

I haven't driven a WRX so can't really comment on whose cage is better than the other or debate between different brands of rice burners. What I would say is that my GTST is better than 95% of cars on the road in the handling stakes, and that's stock.

The point of the the thread was, how does this compare to bikes.
I drove my brother GTS-t has to be the worsthandling car ever driven in my life if I got to accellerate it would just spin the wheels anything under 80 or so km/hr then when your going around mangwhai at like 130 and give it some it start to slide again, to unpredictable...

[Motu]

IT MAY REDUCE COST CAUSE THET COULD JUST SLEEVE DOWN A 302WINDSOR OR 3500 ROVER ENGINES AND PUT THOSE IN AN F1 CAR , AND TO CUT SPENDING RIGHT BACK THEY COULD USE A 9 INCH DIFF. FUCKEN IDIOTS THOSE CARS ARE MEANT TO BE FAST

They did that already,Phill Irving and Repco made the Reprco V8 out of the Rover block and Jack Brabham won his 3rd WDC with it.

[loosebruce]

Nah,you better wise up - if you ever come across a fast car with a very good driver you will never see them.It's just most of the people we come across who can afford to drive a fast car are real old farts who couldn't give a toss about going fast.How many Lambo's have you seen in Auckland city?.....heaps eh?...how many Lambo's have you seen on SH22?...SFA.Hang your ego up with the toothpaste leathers,a car will cream a bike,ask Schumacher which is fastest,or Rossi....both have ridden and driven both.

Quite why i should wise up i'm unsure, i'm sure my post read that i was saying a cars with a good driver will cream a bike and that it's the fact that most people with the fast car can't drive it for peanuts. I was more reffering to the fact that the bikers who think cars are slow etc should wise up, maybe you should read shit a bit more carefully.

[Motu]

Sorry,I didn't understand your first post at all....perhaps you didn't express yourself clearly enough...wise up on your writting skills next time then....

[loosebruce]

Sorry,I didn't understand your first post at all....perhaps you didn't express yourself clearly enough...wise up on your writting skills next time then....

Yea fair enough, i get alot of that, it was the dropped at brith thing that fucked me, you'll have to live with my shit speeling thou.

[VasalineWarrior]

Hey guys, its just fortuanate for us that most car drivers suck. My two cents

[Mooch]

ok, that was a little bit wrong. You can't race two machines that are 'equal' on power-to-weight ratio, cos first up, that doesn't work, and secondly, the 1.8 supercharged Atom vs a stock CBR600RR just aren't in the same league. JC compared the power output of the Atom to that of a Ferrari. Would you pitch the same CBR600 against a Ferrari?

How about a few bikes verse a car with a gsxr1300 engine in then.
Nurburgring is as close to a closed road you can get , I think this video shows the difference on the corners , about 2/3rds though watch the car deal to the knee down rider.

This video isn't dialup friendly (60 megs)
http://www.mymegabusa.com/Video/Megabusa%20Nurburgring.wmv

[Pixie]

generally a sports car can beat a bike if the driver is awesome, but the guy on the bike will be having waaaaaaay more fun
Yes,The car driver is dieing very slowly and does not even know it.

[Pixie]

Nah,you better wise up - if you ever come across a fast car with a very good driver you will never see them.It's just most of the people we come across who can afford to drive a fast car are real old farts who couldn't give a toss about going fast.How many Lambo's have you seen in Auckland city?.....heaps eh?...how many Lambo's have you seen on SH22?...SFA.Hang your ego up with the toothpaste leathers,a car will cream a bike,ask Schumacher which is fastest,or Rossi....both have ridden and driven both.
I was passed very impressively by a Murcielago on SH16 a few months ago.I was disappointed when,at the next corner, I had to slow the MX5 down from the 120kmh I would normally take that corner,to the 70kmh the wanker in the Lambo was taking it.

Three months later the same tosser drove the Lambo into a tree on Ponsonby Rd.

P.S.I was dieing slowly,but I knew it.

[Lou Girardin]

How about a few bikes verse a car with a gsxr1300 engine in then.
Nurburgring is as close to a closed road you can get , I think this video shows the difference on the corners , about 2/3rds though watch the car deal to the knee down rider.

This video isn't dialup friendly (60 megs)
http://www.mymegabusa.com/Video/Megabusa%20Nurburgring.wmv


Yet again, we don't know the two drivers abilities, track knowledge etc.

[bugjuice]

Mooch, that clip doesn't do any justice for either argument. You've got a race prep'd car with a driver who's done the track a couple of times already going flat tack, vs bikes and other cars that are out for a stroll.. There's no race or competition on car vs bike by any means. Court finds this evidence null and void from all records.

Awesome clip tho, and nice bit of driving. Plus, the realism between that and Xbox/PS games too is quite astounding. I knew most of the corners from playing PS2, not that I could do that pace in real life (yet)

[Drunken Monkey]

...
Three months later the same tosser drove the Lambo into a tree on Ponsonby Rd.....

No, it was the tosser's wife. Get your facts straight.

[Mooch]

Mooch, that clip doesn't do any justice for either argument. You've got a race prep'd car with a driver who's done the track a couple of times already going flat tack, vs bikes and other cars that are out for a stroll.. There's no race or competition on car vs bike by any means. Court finds this evidence null and void from all records.

Awesome clip tho, and nice bit of driving. Plus, the realism between that and Xbox/PS games too is quite astounding. I knew most of the corners from playing PS2, not that I could do that pace in real life (yet)

True about the clip in some ways , but you saw the corners where the guy on a bike was dragging his/her knee, that megabussa came up to it real quick. There's a few good clips on a bike. The rider new the ring well and did a coulpe of bike verse car type video's with a GT3 no less.
Unfourtantly the rider was killed on the track after hitting oil from a car that had blown up. (RIP Dude)

Use the link below if your interested. Follow the link to his orginal web site.

http://www.joerundseim.com/

[bugjuice]

that sad he crashed and died. bitter irony may be?

But that car was going flat tack, and taking on everything in his path. He was not slow by any means. But, the bike had his knee down, yeah, but he didn't know the race was on.. Hell, I can get my knee down on the mini moto, don't mean nothing. I've nearly gone up the back of a rider who had his knee down, and I didn't.. Getting your knee down doesn't mean you're going as hard as you can. Just means you're getting yourself off..

[Lou Girardin]

No, it was the tosser's wife. Get your facts straight.

Everything said about that accident referred to the driver being a guy.
Do you know different?

[KLOWN]

Everything said about that accident referred to the driver being a guy.
Do you know different?

I thought it was guy too. But didn't he only own it for a couple of days or week? so it wouldn't have been the guy who passed the mx5 3 months ago.

[jonbuoy]

Don't know if anyone will ever answer that its pretty close thats for sure - would love to see a moto GP VS F1 car drag&track race. I Have had a few run ins with some WRX's and Evo's. In a lot of cases the drivers seem quite surprised not to be able to loose me on the corners so they try dropping the hammer on the straights - no contest - three times I've seen cars almost rear end or lock up to avoid hitting other cars - they don't seem to be used to carrying that sort of straight line speed - too busy looking in there rear view mirrors to see if I'm still there and not looking far enough ahead. Even on a road I'm not that familiar with I'l double the advised corner speed - more on some i'm familiar with and I know I'm not a great rider - I've followed other bikers and not been able to keep up with them through the same.

It doesn't take as much talent to drive a car fast as it does a bike, every single move your body makes affects the bike - no so with a car, not to mention the road surface. How many cars do you see cornering with two wheels on the inside white line - try that on a bike! Also your car won't throw you off it if you crack the throttle too early on a corner:doh:

[rocketman1]

Who gives a stuff, the Bike would be one hell of alot more fun to drive (ride)
anyone can drive a car fast through corners, not many can ride a bike really well.
Go the Bikers

[bigbadwolf]

How about a few bikes verse a car with a gsxr1300 engine in then.
Nurburgring is as close to a closed road you can get , I think this video shows the difference on the corners , about 2/3rds though watch the car deal to the knee down rider.

This video isn't dialup friendly (60 megs)
http://www.mymegabusa.com/Video/Megabusa%20Nurburgring.wmv


if i remember rightly, on top gear they had that chick in a frickin transit van passing a whole bunch of bikers around the nurburgring!!! sorry can't find the video anywhere on the net

[justsomeguy]

if i remember rightly, on top gear they had that chick in a frickin transit van passing a whole bunch of bikers around the nurburgring!!! sorry can't find the video anywhere on the net

That wasn't some chick, that was Sabine Schmitz one of the fastest ever drivers in that part of the world. Those bikers I believe were just members of the public, they didn't have a chance in hell.

[justsomeguy]

Don't know if anyone will ever answer that its pretty close thats for sure - would love to see a moto GP VS F1 car drag&track race. I Have had a few run ins with some WRX's and Evo's. In a lot of cases the drivers seem quite surprised not to be able to loose me on the corners so they try dropping the hammer on the straights - no contest - three times I've seen cars almost rear end or lock up to avoid hitting other cars - they don't seem to be used to carrying that sort of straight line speed - too busy looking in there rear view mirrors to see if I'm still there and not looking far enough ahead. Even on a road I'm not that familiar with I'l double the advised corner speed - more on some i'm familiar with and I know I'm not a great rider - I've followed other bikers and not been able to keep up with them through the same.

It doesn't take as much talent to drive a car fast as it does a bike, every single move your body makes affects the bike - no so with a car, not to mention the road surface. How many cars do you see cornering with two wheels on the inside white line - try that on a bike! Also your car won't throw you off it if you crack the throttle too early on a corner:doh:

Very true. I was a passenger with a very fast cage driver in a Stagea who was literally toying with a newish 636 on SH16. This fella is also a biker and said that bike could easily leave us behind but most riders couldn't.

[Marmoot]

That wasn't some chick, that was Sabine Schmitz one of the fastest ever drivers in that part of the world. Those bikers I believe were just members of the public, they didn't have a chance in hell.

Ooooh....Sabine.... :love:

She also does tour lap around Nurburgring on a Competition BMW M5, rain or shine. Bookings required, at least a year before as the waiting list is so long.

[justsomeguy]

Ooooh....Sabine.... :love:

She also does tour lap around Nurburgring on a Competition BMW M5, rain or shine. Bookings required, at least a year before as the waiting list is so long.

Set the lap record there when she was 19 in a Ford Sierra Cosworth 8min 16 sec.

She's not that good looking but boy can she drive.

Vicky is very cute, but she makes too many faces and makes cars seem all feminine - not tyre burning, engine screaming mad machines......:rockon:

[Marmoot]

She's not that good looking but boy can she drive.

that's what I meant.
Hot M5 she has......

who is Vicky?

[justsomeguy]

who is Vicky?

Vicky Butler Henderson. Currently one of the presenters on 5th Gear.

Real cutie - but she's tend to get a bit chubby now and then.

That's her Maserati Touring car - she's dressed in black.

[Marmoot]

Vicky Butler Henderson. Currently one of the presenters on 5th Gear.

Real cutie - but she's tend to get a bit chubby now and then.

That's her Maserati Touring car - she's dressed in black.

Oh right. I saw her doing feature on Ferrari 360 (my favourite car) for Top Gear before. She was chubbier then, and I think I like her that way better.....

[justsomeguy]

Oh right. I saw her doing feature on Ferrari 360 (my favourite car) for Top Gear before. She was chubbier then, and I think I like her that way better.....

Here ya go bud incase you missed any - http://racingflix.com/browsevideos.asp?p=6

This is the general section:
Note: There are more bike clips in the misc section.
http://racingflix.com/browsevideos.asp


The download times are very slow and do not connect everytime.

[mdb]

Aside from less rubber on the road there is the small matter of the law of physics and on a bike your centre of gravity is higher than in a car (sports) which handicaps you from the start.

Of course as many people of said, it is a LOT more fun riding fast through twisties than driving ....

[Drunken Monkey]

I thought it was guy too. But didn't he only own it for a couple of days or week?

Swapped it for their city apartment a week or so before it was crashed.


Do you know different?

I share a few drinks with his draughtsman from time to time.


In fairness, that doesn't make me right. I've just seen so many local news items reported just so plainly wrong, I take every news report I read with a grain of salt.

[WINJA]

aside from less rubber on the road there is the small matter of the law of physics and on a bike your centre of gravity is higher than in a car (sports) which handicaps you from the start.

of course as many people of said, it is a lot more fun riding fast through twisties than driving ....
--------------
centre of gravity ? the bikes centre of gravity stays central in corners as the bike leans , as for rubber on the road , the bike weighs less , proof for me is my races against cars , and ive never lost or had a decent challenge

[Lou Girardin]

Good point winja, not to mention the fact that sprotbikebike rubber is far stickier than the stickiest car road tyres.

[Matt Bleck]

Theres one more variable I'd like to add.

Dollar for dollar a bike will come out on top every time ie. a new gixxer 1000 is worth about $22k, I can't think of a $22k car that will whip a Gixxer Thou.

[flash]

Theres one more variable I'd like to add.

Dollar for dollar a bike will come out on top every time ie. a new gixxer 1000 is worth about $22k, I can't think of a $22k car that will whip a Gixxer Thou.

a go kart with a 250cc two smoker $7000?
a gsxr 1000cc four stroke $22000
seeing a little go kart out courner a gsxr.....priceless :nya:

[Sniper]

a go kart with a 250cc two smoker $7000?
a gsxr 1000cc four stroke $22000
seeing a little go kart out courner a gsxr.....priceless :nya:

Thats comparing grapes to apples mate. Get with the program

[N4CR]

a go kart with a 250cc two smoker $7000?
a gsxr 1000cc four stroke $22000
seeing a little go kart out courner a gsxr.....priceless :nya:

Yeah go-carts look realllllly road legal as well :niceone:

But by god do those carts go like stink O_o!

[Lou Girardin]

a go kart with a 250cc two smoker $7000?
a gsxr 1000cc four stroke $22000
seeing a little go kart out courner a gsxr.....priceless :nya:

You get your go kart and I'll use the Bandit and we'll have a race up the North Motorway past the Police base.

[scumdog]

You get your go kart and I'll use the Bandit and we'll have a race up the North Motorway past the Police base.

The go-kart is so low it will probably go 'under the radar' leaving you to worry about the ticket potential!:motu: :lol: :killingme

[flash]

i was just showing price vs price isnt the case at all

[ducatilover]

Aside from less rubber on the road there is the small matter of the law of physics and on a bike your centre of gravity is higher than in a car (sports) which handicaps you from the start.

Of course as many people of said, it is a LOT more fun riding fast through twisties than driving ....
yeah but i thought you could shift your C.O.G closer to the inside of the corner, and cant a bike switch directions faster?:scratch:

[Mooch]

Theres one more variable I'd like to add.

Dollar for dollar a bike will come out on top every time ie. a new gixxer 1000 is worth about $22k, I can't think of a $22k car that will whip a Gixxer Thou.


How about a $7000 89 Supra with 2.5 twin turbo (turned up a tad) sitting on factory billsteins / S02 tyres with an ex mini 7 racer behind the wheel? Jim2 will know who I'm talking about. Has humbled the odd motorcyclist on a twisty road. It's about skill and grip.

BTW, Motorcyclysts shouldn't under estimate the amount of skill required to pedal a cage quickly around corners, much like motorcycling it becomes a real art form at the higher levels with similar consequences if it goes pear shaped. You’ve only got to watch the NZ Targa for that :doh: . And think again about bike verse car acceleration as well, pick up NZ performance car mag and look at the number of street cars that do 11s or 10s second 1/4 miles these days much to my suprise. Evo's, WRX's , Skylines etc and these cars are cheap to buy. You could probably build a very quick V3 STI for 22k.
Still, would rather be on a bike.:cool:

[Marmoot]

How about a $7000 89 Supra with 2.5 twin turbo (turned up a tad) sitting on factory billsteins / S02 tyres with an ex mini 7 racer behind the wheel?

on personal preferences I'd prefer the 3litre version by far. It gets to 450hp easily without losing the agility. Yes, it's on factory bilstein.

Might not be suitable for scenic drive, but it'd be a good fun for Kopu-Hikuai :love:

[ducatilover]

it takes alot of skill to push a bike or a cage to its limit whilst getting optimum perfomance out of it. although i could out corner alot of cars on my gn250 i was humbled by two people:crazy: one of them i attempted to follow and me being a useless rider got beaten, it was a mazda eunos 600 i think from memory, i knew the road and my limits and i was giving it all i had but i could only just hold him in the twisties. although it was great fun, more fun then just passing someone and out cornering them with ease [ahem honda bros]. the second was my old man, the best cage driver i know [hes a fucken good biker too] whom i followed over the takas, he was in a 89 mazda familia 1300 4spd manual and we both kicked an integras arse with some useless boyracer behind the wheel, but my oldman left me for dead with two frikn passengers, my gn was faster in a straight line but the speed he was pullin through the corners kinda cancelled that out......sorry im babbling again:angry2: :ride:

[rc_36_rider]

the word fast should never be used in the same sentence ever they dont come close to fast they couldnt pull a sock off my foot ans as a few people have said this is a pointless debate and as a few people have said i have never ever had a car pass me in any situation so if they are faster the people driving them are slow.

[rc_36_rider]

and as far as doller for doller gos you can import a r1 or simila for fuck all if you know the right people and id like to see a 5k car keep up with a litre class bike any where on gravel get a dirt bike .plus theres the reliablity factor i dont know of any turbo cars with more then factory boost that dont cost a shit load to keep on the road caus every thing starts to fuck out every thing engine gear box turbo hosing diff every thing gos down hill fast and then its not cheep any more.

[scumdog]

the word fast should never be used in the same sentence ever they dont come close to fast they couldnt pull a sock off my foot ans as a few people have said this is a pointless debate and as a few people have said i have never ever had a car pass me in any situation so if they are faster the people driving them are slow.

This man is in bad need of English, grammar and punctuation lessons - quickly

One can only hope his riding abilities exceed his writing abilities.:laugh: :Oops:

[rc_36_rider]

ive been riding since i was 3 years old dont know about you but if you have the time to perfectly write this shit out then you have much more time than me and for the record the only subject i failed ever was english.there some punctuation a full stop :stupid: :eyepoke: :2thumbsup

[scumdog]

ive been riding since i was 3 years old dont know about you but if you have the time to perfectly write this shit out then you have much more time than me and for the record the only subject i failed ever was english.there some punctuation a full stop :stupid: :eyepoke: :2thumbsup

I'd been around oh, about 34 years by the time you took your first ride so I've had tons of time to polish-up my English etc.:yes: :bleh:

Congrats. on the 'some punctuation' it's a start:lol:

[Marmoot]

This man is in bad need of English, grammar and punctuation lessons - quickly:

He's gotta be an asian immigrant. :blink:

[flash]

if you think about it, a gn isn't that slow. it still has potential to turn corners as fast as any other bike

[ducatilover]

if you think about it, a gn isn't that slow. it still has potential to turn corners as fast as any other bike
you mean if it had decent forks and a frame that didnt bend? i can pull upwards of 20k over the gn in most corners on a bros, without even trying:stoogie:

[flash]

you mean if it had decent forks and a frame that didnt bend? i can pull upwards of 20k over the gn in most corners on a bros, without even trying:stoogie:

thats why i said "it has potential". i bet if rossi jumped on one, he would kick you sorry ass while you raced on the 650 :whistle: .....around corners, even rossi cant add an extra 40hp

[James Deuce]

on personal preferences I'd prefer the 3litre version by far. It gets to 450hp easily without losing the agility. Yes, it's on factory bilstein.

Might not be suitable for scenic drive, but it'd be a good fun for Kopu-Hikuai :love:

The 2.5 is the competition engine. The 3.0 is a nail compared to the 2.5.

[justsomeguy]

Might not be suitable for scenic drive, but it'd be a good fun for Kopu-Hikuai :love:

For that you need a supercharged AW11. (Old shape MR2 for the ignorant).

[rc_36_rider]

thats why i said "it has potential". i bet if rossi jumped on one, he would kick you sorry ass while you raced on the 650 :whistle: .....around corners, even rossi cant add an extra 40hp
if a gn has that much potential then so has your harley with more modification required for the harley i mean hardly worth calling a motorcycle davidson id rather the gn any day at least the gn has a small amount of ground clearence and about the same power to weight ratio :rofl:

[TLDV8]

You get your go kart and I'll use the Bandit and we'll have a race up the North Motorway past the Police base.



http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/manurewa/DSC03177Small.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/manurewa/DSC03176Small.jpg

[flash]

fark!!!!, you wouldn't want a stone to flick up and piece one of those cylinders!!!!!:2guns: :ar15:

[ducatilover]

thats why i said "it has potential". i bet if rossi jumped on one, he would kick you sorry ass while you raced on the 650 :whistle: .....around corners, even rossi cant add an extra 40hp
and your point being? of course one of the greatest riders of all time would kick my arse through the corners.... im a useless bugger:first: though i would rather see him on the 650:drinknsin

[ducatilover]

if a gn has that much potential then so has your harley with more modification required for the harley i mean hardly worth calling a motorcycle davidson id rather the gn any day at least the gn has a small amount of ground clearence and about the same power to weight ratio :rofl:
hey the gn isnt that bad:angry: it has probably got a better power to weight ratio, handles and stops better and doesnt break down all the time...:bleh:

[Marmoot]

The 2.5 is the competition engine. The 3.0 is a nail compared to the 2.5.

On what aspect? Rev-happiness?

[Korea]

Don't know if anyone will ever answer that its pretty close thats for sure - would love to see a moto GP VS F1 car drag&track race.

Ask an Ye shall Receive! Actually, this has probably been posted in one of the many car Vs. bike threads, but in case you haven't seen it...

Schumacher in F1 Vs. Rossi in MotoGP. Acceleration, top speed, corner speed and lap times... bikes come 2nd on the track. T.T

On the road, I'll take an average bike any day... your average car is too bloody scary.

[mdb]

There is another vid I saw that had an F1 car, MotoGP bike and super boat lined up beside each other. In 3 races the F1 won 2 and the boat was ALWAYS the slowest. The bike won the 2nd race because the F1 driver balls up the start.

[N4CR]

I SAW ONE LINK POSTED HERE WITH A GIXXER THOU VS LAMBO, THEY HAD THE SAME CORNER SPEED THROUGH MOST CORNERS WITH THE BIKE GETTING THE ACCELL AND THE SLIGHTLY LOWER TIME. THIS WAS ON STOCK SUSPENSION, SET UP FOR JAP MIDGETS ETC, NOTHING COULD BE CHANGED AT ALL, THE RIDER WAS A LARGER SIDE OF AVERAGE SIZED WHITE GUY FROM MEMORY. iNTERESTING.

[Motu]

Jeremy Clarkson raced a runner through the streets of London....and the runner won!

[MSTRS]

Just a point here. The thread is still topical of course But Korowetere was killed in a bike accident only a week or so after starting this thread

[ducatilover]

id still rather have a bike:cool: cars are great im sure but they dont down my panties:( :( unless we're talking porsche 911 carrera s with lots of goodies:banana:

[avrflr]

id still rather have a bike:cool: cars are great im sure but they dont down my panties:( :( unless we're talking porsche 911 carrera s with lots of goodies:banana:
Why the budget carrera s and not the GT3 or turbo?

Sorry to hear the thread starter died. In his original post he said his cage would do 120 around 65k corners. On a sportsbike I think you need to double the suggested speed to even feel as though you are awake.

I raced a Murcielago in the Riverhead area and completely humiliated him. Flying past that screaming V12 was extremely satisfying:). I'm equally sure if he let me have a go I could drive a VERY twisty road faster in the Lambo than I could ride the gixxer thou.

[Lazy7]

i think the real question should be.

what would YOU be faster in.

if you take my bike for example. which is probably a *little* above average in terms of performance and handling - compared to most bikes.

and you take my car (V6 Twin Turbo 4wd Mitsi) which is a little above average in terms of performance and handling - compared to most cars.

which do you think you would be quicker in?

I would put my money behind me in the car anyday of the week. But thats me. Because I suck at riding, but I am an alright driver. I reckon i would be gapping about 4-6 seconds a kilometer on myself.

what about you?

[N4CR]

IF YOU WERE A GOOD RIDER YOU WOULD DICK THE LEGNUMB IN HIGH SPEED STUFF DUE TO STABILITY BUT THE 7R HANDLES LIKE A BOAT SLOWER SO YOU WOULD GET THE LEARN IN OTHER SITUATIONs.

[ZeroIndex]

My personal experience, I checked out the other day, my mini-run in my car (which had just had a service), it's a '95 toyota tercel 1300 (nothing special), and went on my mini-run around the hamilton zoo roads, i wasn't driving at my limit, but was keeping the car at a 'safe'-ish cornering speed, aka on the verge of losing slight amounts of traction, while noting corner speeds. on my bike (GF170, really slow, reviewer 1/4 mile in 21.01 seconds @ 97km/h), and was doing the same corners at 10 - 20km/h faster than the car. Here's my thoughts, considering I've been riding for just over 3 weeks, with 2 crashes (one my fault, one bike's fault), yet i've been driving for over 5 years, shared the lame boy-racing experience, done my deal of drifting, and am yet to have a car accident...
In conclusion, a slow stock car (no mods), vs a slow stock bike (on tubed tires no less): Bike is better! :)

[ducatilover]

Why the budget carrera s and not the GT3 or turbo?
well a gt3 would be great but i dont want a turbo because the 4wd isnt my stye, the gt3 would have to be the new 997 shape though and the new turbo hasnt been released yet. but a gt3 tuned by RUF or gemmbella or something of the sort would tickle my man stick really well:2thumbsup

[Motu]

i think the real question should be.
what would YOU be faster in.
what about you?

The DT230 against the Pajero diesel turbo??? Well,I have to tow a 17 ft caravan tomorrow - I think I'll leave the bike at home....

[cowpoos]

Ask an Ye shall Receive! Actually, this has probably been posted in one of the many car Vs. bike threads, but in case you haven't seen it...

Schumacher in F1 Vs. Rossi in MotoGP. Acceleration, top speed, corner speed and lap times... bikes come 2nd on the track. T.T


lets take the aero dynamic aids off the F1 car shall we....then what happens?

[ducatilover]

lets take the aero dynamic aids off the F1 car shall we....then what happens?
it still has a extreme;y low center of gravity and heaps of rubber but it would be interesting, how bout a formula ford?

[vtec]

My 200HP Honda Prelude VS My 45 HP CBR250RR
1/4mile
14.86 14.3 (both should be quicker but were running on crap days at the strip)

0-100
6.2 5.0

Braking and cornering
The car is better on the street but they would be similar on the track because you don't need to leave the same margin for error. You have to be more careful on a bike on the street. However the bike can go about twice as fast when going straight through round abouts due to the skinny line of the bike.

[metric]

interesting 'vtec'

would love to take both my gti-r & my zxr250 down the quarter mile...

as I understand my gti-r pulsar can do 0-100 in 5.2 sec but I don't know how fast my bike does it... feels about the same

anyone got reliable stat's for a '90 zxr250 0-100kph?

[ducatilover]

metric- your zxr250 should crack 100 in just under six seconds and the quarter would be 14s:mellow:

[beyond]

that sad he crashed and died. bitter irony may be?

But that car was going flat tack, and taking on everything in his path. He was not slow by any means. But, the bike had his knee down, yeah, but he didn't know the race was on.. Hell, I can get my knee down on the mini moto, don't mean nothing. I've nearly gone up the back of a rider who had his knee down, and I didn't.. Getting your knee down doesn't mean you're going as hard as you can. Just means you're getting yourself off..


Man, just been reading this thread and there are some good laughs in here. :)

Yep, getting your knee down means nothing. I've nearly run up the arse of bikers getting there knees down on lots of occassions and I'm sitting on a quarter tonne GSX1400!!!

[oldguy]

Check this clip Porsche vs RI who will win:second:

http://www.youtube.com/w/Carrera-4-vs.-Yamaha-R1-%28moto%29?v=jTIJFuFbjFU&search=top%20gear

[sAsLEX]

Check this clip Porsche vs RI who will win:second:

http://www.youtube.com/w/Carrera-4-vs.-Yamaha-R1-%28moto%29?v=jTIJFuFbjFU&search=top%20gear

There is a fith gear clip, of a 9 series Duke vs a lambo and the bike wins.


stolen from another thread http://www.exbyte.net/media/videos/2330/Lamborghini_vs_Ducati.html

[oldguy]

Here's another one this is better, Suzuki GSXR 1000 vs Wesfeld sports car
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2980339455045998925&q=Suzuki+gsx&pl=true

[N4CR]

ZXR250A/C model will do 5 secs 0-100 and 14 sec 400's, slightly better top end on the C model zxr than the A model and (C) better than the RR's again.

I'm keen to take mine on the track, but yes I have seen zxr250 time sheets at 14 sec.

EDit: What beyond said about kneedown in most cases is true, I'm slower kneedown than up although it provides better stability and that's about it... at this level lol.

[Lazy7]

that suzuki riders not bad!

[Lou Girardin]

Man, just been reading this thread and there are some good laughs in here. :)

Yep, getting your knee down means nothing. I've nearly run up the arse of bikers getting there knees down on lots of occassions and I'm sitting on a quarter tonne GSX1400!!!

Ain't that a fact. Do they hang off to make themselves harder to pass?

[sAsLEX]

EDit: What beyond said about kneedown in most cases is true, I'm slower kneedown than up although it provides better stability and that's about it... at this level lol.

Thats cause you concentrating on getting your knee down not the corner speed and line. I feel safer hanging off the inside of the bike and can comfortably go quicker like that but my knee is a kilometre or so off the deck.

[magnum]

best time at tok drags last year was a 11.9 sec,99 zx6r with 100whp and i weigh in at 105kg,bike cost 7.5k,only a couple of very hot rotors and v8s were faster and they would cost a small fkin fortune....:nya:

[mdb]

Hmmm, dunno what to think, R1 beaten by a Porsche, 999 beats a Lambo ... maybe I should pick on something less super car-ish!

[Timber020]

A zxr can do 100 in less than 6 secs? Really????? What horse are they?

[ducatilover]

im sure they do it in just under six

they are a claimed 45hp@crank but im told its less than that. id rather have a vt250 spada any day. produces more torque and has an extremely flat torque curve :yeah:

[N4CR]

A zxr can do 100 in less than 6 secs? Really????? What horse are they?

5.0 and I reckon I could get under that with a peeerfect launch. Moving 5-10kmh it gets to 75k (1st gear redline) in 2.9secs..... timed that before off an audio clip.

Power:
Mine was dyno'd running rich and needing a tune at 36ps rear wheel. I'm going to get it tuned again and see what it does. Has new carbs (20000kms ago) and race pipe.. that's it. More torque than a RR (25ish as opposed to 20ish) but dunno what on rear wheel. Ain't much of a diff riding the two, pretty similar power delivery except down low.

[ducatilover]

i was cosidering a zxr but with the milage i do its too bloody high strung and its not as relaxed as a vt250 spada pus the spada handles better:niceone:

those zxrs move alright if you give their balls a good twist, but its still a two fiddy and still is slow

[The Pastor]

How about a $7000 89 Supra with 2.5 twin turbo (turned up a tad) sitting on factory billsteins / S02 tyres with an ex mini 7 racer behind the wheel? Jim2 will know who I'm talking about. Has humbled the odd motorcyclist on a twisty road. It's about skill and grip.

BTW, Motorcyclysts shouldn't under estimate the amount of skill required to pedal a cage quickly around corners, much like motorcycling it becomes a real art form at the higher levels with similar consequences if it goes pear shaped. You’ve only got to watch the NZ Targa for that :doh: . And think again about bike verse car acceleration as well, pick up NZ performance car mag and look at the number of street cars that do 11s or 10s second 1/4 miles these days much to my suprise. Evo's, WRX's , Skylines etc and these cars are cheap to buy. You could probably build a very quick V3 STI for 22k.
Still, would rather be on a bike.:cool:


I bought an 85 gpz1000rx and aparntly it can do a 10.7 standing 1/4mile. I payed $3750. Try to buy / build a 10 second car gor 3G... actually I think you might be able to do it... if you got given a skyline gtr free [Or car with an engine just as strong as that] and spent the 3g on a huge turbo and put it in yourself.........

[Motu]

I bought an 85 gpz1000rx and aparntly it can do a 10.7 standing 1/4mile. I payed $3750. .

You'd get a pretty crap stereo for that price to put in a 10 sec car.It's about money alright - but you are working on the wrong end of the scale.If you've got the money,you don't go fast cheap!

[N4CR]

and spent the 3g on a huge turbo and put it in yourself.........

And blow it up 2k later doing 12's ;)

[The Pastor]

You'd get a pretty crap stereo for that price to put in a 10 sec car.It's about money alright - but you are working on the wrong end of the scale.If you've got the money,you don't go fast cheap!


Im a kiwi mate, there IS no other way:ride:

[Jackrat]

All the track comparisions mean nothing in the real world.
During the late seventys a friend of mine had a Ford capri Granada that raced every so called fast bike in the district,on the same road each time.
It was on the old Te Awamutu to Otrohang rd,not the new road that most pussys use today.He took everything from RD250-350 to GS1000 an canned the lot of them.
Keep the "what if" rubbish,I was there,they got owned:bleh:

[brianemone]

while riding through the twisties coming out of national park i would have felt allot more confident taking the 25kmph turns in a car. (granted i havent riden a bike in a long time) but if you put a noob in a car and a noob on a bike i think a car will take the corner faster.

[Motu]

Yeah,the real world's a different place - one time we were going through the Awakino Gorge in a Mini on radials (fancy new tyres back then) the thing handled like a go Kart and was heaps of fun.We got owned by an HQ Holden on skinny crossplies with some old fart driving who didn't even know it was a race as we struggled to keep up.We couldn't stop laughing because we had thought we were doing so well!

[ducatilover]

im still waiting for that subaru wrx i ate over the pahiatua track this morning:chase: .... i dont think it really maters if your on a big bike/small bike/ gay cage, if you can ride/drive them good enough you will stand a chance. for example, i have given many cages the learn on the pahiatua track and ive been humbled by one cage there as well, a mazda eunos 500, even though that was on the gn....

i know the road very very well and would no doubt be faster on a bike than in a cage.

also i was going over vinegar hill and was conering sorta quick, and MSTRS was right behind me on his gsxr1100:eyepoke: ...and i thought i was going quick:cry:

i have no doubts that someone in a cage will eat me up happily if they know the road aswell as i do.

[Lil_Byte]

At the moment I would rate my car in the corners rather than my bike. The roads here in Dunedin still have a bit of grit on them and I am not going to be caught leaning to hard into the corners here at the moment. My car at least is 4 wheel drive and will hold onto the grit a bit better

[cowpoos]

im still waiting for that subaru wrx i ate over the pahiatua track this morning:chase: .... i dont think it really maters if your on a big bike/small bike/ gay cage, if you can ride/drive them good enough you will stand a chance. for example, i have given many cages the learn on the pahiatua track and ive been humbled by one cage there as well, a mazda eunos 500, even though that was on the gn....

i know the road very very well and would no doubt be faster on a bike than in a cage.

also i was going over vinegar hill and was conering sorta quick, and MSTRS was right behind me on his gsxr1100:eyepoke: ...and i thought i was going quick:cry:

i have no doubts that someone in a cage will eat me up happily if they know the road aswell as i do.
I'll race ya then.....if I win I keep ya bike if you win you keep ma car?

[Krayy]

Can we just remember that the person who started this thread is no longer with us when he ended up running into a 4wd while trying to prove the theory?

All this frickin posing and posturing can only end in a bad way. Ride to your own ability and if some boi racer wants to race off into the distance and end up in a ditch, let him go. He's probably got a small dick anyway.

[07fatboy]

I couldnt compare my well set up ford in a corner to a bike but my car wins hands down...However my Harley out performs my 4x4 ,some one who can read the road and drive just above the limits or accordingley with the road conditions will give a good rider a serious work out ...has been proven on a test track but my guess its a different story out on the road when you got something coming the other way,Here you have boundries that have dire consequences if you fuck up not to mention kill some other poor bastard and his family....Be wise ride to survive and keep the rubberside down