Whatever you do DON'T SMILE!

[Lou Girardin]

A member of a Maori welcome party has appeared in court after head-butting a tourist at a Tamaki tours function in Rotorua.
The Dutch tourist was selected to answer the challenge. He was told not to laugh while doing so, but being a tad nervous he grinned while doing so. As people do.
Bad mistake, in doing so he seriously insulted this particular welcoming person and paid the price with a broken nose.

[Str8 Jacket]

Be interesting to see the outcome.... I wouldn't be surprised if the accused was given a "lightish" punishment.

[Postie]

i bet he doesn't work for the tourist board anymore.

[Str8 Jacket]

i bet he doesn't work for the tourist board anymore.

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if he was given a warning but remain employed by the board. Its a cultural thing, and they may justify it by saying it was offensive to their culture.
I am in no way condoning whats happened though.

[Postie]

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if he was given a warning but remain employed by the board. Its a cultural thing, and they may justify it by saying it was offensive to their culture.
I am in no way condoning whats happened though.
true, he'll probably get a fucking pay raise for bringing attention and hense, advertising.

[MidnightMike]

Thats a bit savage. Thats one way to scare of tourists.:banana: :rolleyes::angry: :shit: :bash: :(

[ManDownUnder]

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if he was given a warning but remain employed by the board. Its a cultural thing, and they may justify it by saying it was offensive to their culture.
I am in no way condoning whats happened though.

Head butting was offesnive to National Tourism...

[Str8 Jacket]

true, he'll probably get a fucking pay raise for bringing attention and hense, advertising.

Its kinda sad but in a way you have made a very valid point.....

[Str8 Jacket]

Head butting was offesnive to National Tourism...

Im meaning the fact that the guy was told not to smile and did so, im thinking that their argument may be that the tourist was being offensive to the accused.... the laws an ass remember!

[Motu]

I've never known a Dutchman to smile - he must of been standing on his head,so um.....what did Dick Mitai Ngatai head but??

[judgeshock]

Even if he smiled, be lenient as he was a tourist. I don't think we need to assault our tourists, especially when they don't understand some of our kiwi ways. :rockon:

[kerryg]

I've never known a Dutchman to smile - he must of been standing on his head,so um.....what did Dick Mitai Ngatai head but??


Anyone who head-butts a Dutchman is alright by me

[Beemer]

He's probably a relative of the stupid bitch on a train from Featherston to Wellington who muttered "we speak English here" to two Chinese women speaking their own language. Despite the fact they then started speaking softly, she threw a bottle of water all over them and then punched one. I have no idea if the two were tourists or not, but it doesn't give a very good impression of how friendly NZers are. It's not bad enough that we rob, rape and murder many of them, now we have to break their noses and punch them!

Can you imagine if the French got upset with all the poms not speaking da lingo when they go there? They'd all be nursing sore knuckles!

[kerryg]

Can you imagine if the French got upset with all the poms not speaking da lingo when they go there? They'd all be nursing sore knuckles!


Actually the French are pretty much like that. Try speaking to a French person in France in English and see how you get on (it's not pretty). Different in good hotels etc but the French person on the street doesn't want to speak in the language of les rosbifs. Big generalisation, it goes without saying

[idb]

As I understand it the traditional etiquette for the challenger in that situation is to cleave the visitor's head in two with the taiaha.
I think the tourist got off light.

[Lou Girardin]

As I understand it the traditional etiquette for the challenger in that situation is to cleave the visitor's head in two with the taiaha.
I think the tourist got off light.

So the traditional sign of friendship, a smile, is a insult to Maori culture?
This could explain some things.

[James Deuce]

Actually the French are pretty much like that. Try speaking to a French person in France in English and see how you get on (it's not pretty). Different in good hotels etc but the French person on the street doesn't want to speak in the language of les rosbifs. Big generalisation, it goes without saying

Three words/phrases avoid that kind of racorous exchange: Bonjour, Merci, and s'il vous plait. Then you find out that 95% of the country speaks better English than you do French. Show them your NZ passport and they can't do enough for you.

The English are dicks in France. Yelling louder in English when the French retail assistant doesn't quite understand you the first time doesn't get you what you want.

[Big Dave]

I wonder what they thought when i scratched me nuts, belched and farted as he was jumping around the stick?
(add - i was just waking past after a long session in the bar - oops.)

[Fart]

He's probably a relative of the stupid bitch on a train from Featherston to Wellington who muttered "we speak English here" to two Chinese women speaking their own language. Despite the fact they then started speaking softly, she threw a bottle of water all over them and then punched one. I have no idea if the two were tourists or not, but it doesn't give a very good impression of how friendly NZers are. It's not bad enough that we rob, rape and murder many of them, now we have to break their noses and punch them!

Can you imagine if the French got upset with all the poms not speaking da lingo when they go there? They'd all be nursing sore knuckles!


I thought education in NZ are free until tertiary level? Again I am wrong. So what are their excuses for ignorance? Sad.

[James Deuce]

I thought education in NZ are free until tertiary level? Again I am wrong. So what are their excuses for ignorance? Sad.

Education in NZ isn't free. It's a myth perpetrated by people who no longer have children at school, or never had any to send in the first place.

Ignorance toward any culture, by any culture, is just barbarism.

The Maori chap from Tamaki tours must be very proud of himself, attacking someone who wasn't expecting it like that.

That's just chickenshit behaviour.

[Big Dave]

So what are their excuses for ignorance?

They don't need excuses for their ignorance - they don't know they are ignorant.
The *reason* for it I cannot explain. Perhaps they are scared of change and all of a sudden Queen St is predominately Asian faces and they are freaked out. It's Not like it was.
I see lots of Asian people in Queen St and see a few billion dollars in education industry income, well mannered, polite people and really good eaterys.
Some of the hair styles are questionable.


Nice work on the signature:
<img src="http://www.avatarsbymas.com/images/avatars04/904/biker90x60aniav.gif" border="0" alt="" />

thats really cool.

[inlinefour]

I don't give a rats arse if its against their culture or upsetting. If anyone thinks its acceptable to head butt another individual for smiling then Maoridom needs to take a fecking good look at itself.
If your going to have tourists come in and make money off it then youd have to expect that they will not probably know protocols. They should make an example of the idiot who did it and make him make a formal apology to the person who was assaulted. :wait:

[sunhuntin]

I don't give a rats arse if its against their culture or upsetting. If anyone thinks its acceptable to head butt another individual for smiling then Maoridom needs to take a fecking good look at itself.
If your going to have tourists come in and make money off it then youd have to expect that they will not probably know protocols. They should make an example of the idiot who did it and make him make a formal apology to the person who was assaulted. :wait:


ya took the words right outta my mouth. hell, i likely woulda smiled out of fear, nerves or whatever had it been me, and i would not have appreciated being attacked for the fact my nerves got the better of me.

[Swoop]

I don't give a rats arse if its against their culture or upsetting. If anyone thinks its acceptable to head butt another individual for smiling then Maoridom needs to take a fecking good look at itself.
If your going to have tourists come in and make money off it then youd have to expect that they will not probably know protocols. They should make an example of the idiot who did it and make him make a formal apology to the person who was assaulted. :wait:

Absolutely spot on!!!
If the maori want to insult and assault overseas tourists they should be bloody well charged for assault by the police!
Think what incidents like this do for our overseas reputation - especially if he goes on telly when back home "why travel all the way to NZ? - simply go to England for a traditional Liverpool kiss"

[KLOWN]

I don't give a rats arse if its against their culture or upsetting. If anyone thinks its acceptable to head butt another individual for smiling then Maoridom needs to take a fecking good look at itself.
If your going to have tourists come in and make money off it then youd have to expect that they will not probably know protocols. They should make an example of the idiot who did it and make him make a formal apology to the person who was assaulted. :wait:
I agree, but making him give a formal apology is bull shit he should get smacked in the nose, fired and made to pay medical bills and apologise

[inlinefour]

I agree, but making him give a formal apology is bull shit he should get smacked in the nose, fired and made to pay medical bills and apologise


Yea they need to look at where the individual is employed, the company/organisation should pay any medical bills and they both make a formal apology. However to lower the standards as far as retribution, thats wrong.
Also I think that it is VERY important to remember that this was one individual/situation and its most important not to tarr all with the same brush. Most Maori I know are great people and will be just as disgusted as we all are at what happened here.
Shit happens, learn from it and move on. making a big issue over this is rather pointless. The dude in going to court, justice will be served, despite what we think should happen to him. I doubt if he will get off lightly either.

[marty]

Absolutely spot on!!!
If the maori want to insult and assault overseas tourists they should be bloody well charged for assault by the police!
"

he has been. assault with intent to injure i think

[Goblin]

So the traditional sign of friendship, a smile, is a insult to Maori culture?
This could explain some things.
Would seem that way....way back, it used to be traditional to kill and EAT your neighbors too.

[*sic]

i blame P, he must have been P crazed!!!!!


that damn P!!

[TONO]

he has been. assault with intent to injure i think

I think you will find this "gentleman" will also get the arse from his job as well,:bash: The Tamaki boys will not be impressed with this sort of behaviour,:stupid: it is just not proffessional and certainly doesn't help the tourist trade.:doh:
Overseas journalists will have a feild day with this................:bleh:

[Skyryder]

He'll get convicted and all his supporters will crow about the racist judge and court. God help us if someone gives Maori their own court.

Skyryder

[Beemer]

The BMWOR are planning a trip there next year (we're not going, we used to live in Otaki so we've had enough of this kind of behaviour!) - maybe I should suggest they keep their helmets on and visors down until the natives indicate whether they are friendly or not?

[avgas]

Guess it had to happen sometime, what do you expect if you turn a tradition into a zoo. If they want to get paid to do traditional things, they better do it if the tourist is smilling or not. If this was a performing dog and it bit someone, the dog was put down. Tamaki Brothers are jerks.
I thought the Hongi was something you did with a smile? a friendship thing. Or am i wrong there - cos all my mates smile and i smile when we great each other.

[avgas]

I agree, but making him give a formal apology is bull shit he should get smacked in the nose, fired and made to pay medical bills and apologise
Nah sign him into a contract that sez he has to work for the rest of his working life, like the rest of us.

[Pixie]

The Dutchman should have countered the maori tradition with the correct European tradition and shot his arse with a muzzle loader.

[James Deuce]

The Dutchman should have countered the maori tradition with the correct European tradition and shot his arse with a breech loader.

Why a breech loader? How about some contemporay Royal Netherlands Army military hardware.

<table align="left" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" width="300"> <caption>P90
Technical Summary</caption> <tbody><tr> <td colspan="2" align="center"> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td align="center" width="140">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d4/Fn_p90_right.jpg/300px-Fn_p90_right.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fn_p90_right.jpg)</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Caliber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliber):</td> <td>5.7 x 28 mm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.7_x_28_mm)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Action (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_action):</td> <td>Blowback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_%28arms%29), closed bolt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_bolt)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Mass:</td> <td>
2.5 kg (5.9 lb) empty
3 kg (6.6 lb) loaded </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Length:</td> <td>500 mm (20 in)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Barrel length:</td> <td>263 mm (10.5 in)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rate of fire:</td> <td>900 rounds/min</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Magazine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_%28firearm%29):</td> <td>50-round detachable box</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Effective range:</td> <td>200 m</td></tr></tbody> </table>

[Pixie]

Why a breech loader? How about some contemporay Royal Netherlands Army military hardware.

<table align="left" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" width="300"> <caption>P90
Technical Summary</caption> <tbody><tr> <td colspan="2" align="center"> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td align="center" width="140">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d4/Fn_p90_right.jpg/300px-Fn_p90_right.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fn_p90_right.jpg)</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Caliber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliber):</td> <td>5.7 x 28 mm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.7_x_28_mm)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Action (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_action):</td> <td>Blowback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_%28arms%29), closed bolt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_bolt)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Mass:</td> <td>
2.5 kg (5.9 lb) empty
3 kg (6.6 lb) loaded </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Length:</td> <td>500 mm (20 in)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Barrel length:</td> <td>263 mm (10.5 in)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rate of fire:</td> <td>900 rounds/min</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Magazine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_%28firearm%29):</td> <td>50-round detachable box</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Effective range:</td> <td>200 m</td></tr></tbody> </table>
It's traditional
It's what all the Great Explorers used

Sorry-brain fade
I meant to write Muzzle loader

[James Deuce]

blah, blah, blah, insert excuse for traditional assault on unprepared opponent, blah, blah, blah

He smacked someone over, who'd paid for the privilege and expectation of an interesting and enlightening day out.

One Dutch tourist smacked over, and an opportunity for Collective Maori culture to impress the validity of their lifestyle and belief system on someone who'd never experienced it, or never imagined that it existed as it does, lost.

By the third hand re-telling back home in the Netherlands, 100,000 people will have heard about it.

The world has moved on since the challenge ceremony was used a valid way to impress visitors from other tribes. It is nothing more than a ceremonial display now. Soccer used to be a post battle victory game, and the ball was the head of the chief loser. You may or may not have noticed, that we now use an artificial head.

[James Deuce]

it is still used today with all of it's intent and meaning. when was the last time you were on a marae?

and it was not used to impress visitors or other tribes. it was challenge which was to determin their intent.

i agree with you, but understand i do not believe it was his fault. it was the tamaki brothers for putting that tourist in tha sistuation. he should not have been placed there.
it is hard really really hard not to take it seriously when doing a challenge.

it sucks, it should never have happened. the tourism operators were idiots.

should be able to show tourists from the out side not from the first point of view. not to be living it. that is different.
the maori culture was never interesting, it was violent courrptive and hard. only in the last 200 years has it changed.
its a new culture that is trying to commericalise itself.
the tourisum operators have to keep people at bay.

The Tamaki brothers aren't at fault. The guy who smacked the tourist is. That's the kind of waffle that has allowed the 4th generation of welfare dependant kiwis to emerge.

"It's not my fault, it's cultural."

Come on TIE you can do better than that.

The last time I was on a marae isn't any of your business, really, but it was longer than it should have been.

I might be 40 but I had a fairly comprehensive introduction to Te Reo and Tikanga Maori, and I led the first school marae challenge for an "integrated" kapa haka group when I was 10. The last time I was on a marae was for Toby Rikihana's Tangi, the chap that introduced Te Reo to NZ Primary schools. He was an inspirational person, and he would have been the first person to thrust a taiaha up the rectum of the wally that head butted the tourist.

There is no excuse for violence.

None.

[Colapop]

The Tamaki brothers aren't at fault. The guy who smacked the tourist is. That's the kind of waffle that has allowed the 4th generation of welfare dependant kiwis to emerge.

"It's not my fault, it's cultural."

Come on TIE you can do better than that.

The last time I was on a marae isn't any of your business, really, but it was longer than it should have been.

I might be 40 but I had a fairly comprehensive introduction to Te Reo and Tikanga Maori, and I led the first school marae challenge for an "integrated" kapa haka group when I was 10. The last time I was on a marae was for Toby Rikihana's Tangi, the chap that introduced Te Reo to NZ Primary schools. He was an inspirational person, and he would have been the first person to thrust a taiaha up the rectum of the wally that head butted the tourist.

There is no excuse for violence.

None.
After reading through this thread I totally agree with you Jim2. I was brought up with the same chances as anyone else in this country, maori or otherwise. In fact I probably had less, but I'm doing ok. I don't need to rely on a cultural excuse for poor behaviour. I was taught in Wairoa by 'Maori' people (who are f*cking good people) that there is a protocol for all things and being disrespectful towards people who obviously don't know your customs shows your lack of respect for your own culture (as a maori). It is about Mana. Which is not only pride but also respect. That idiot should get thrown in jail for assault.
The problem is that too many people want to close the door aftyer they've got here. They forget really quickly that that's what's made NZ what it is. The diverse range of cultures and people working together to make this country a great place to be.

[NotaGoth]

The guy didn't deserve it.


A grin was an insult, yes (who cares). What are we going to do? Run round twakking anyone and everyone who isn't sensitive when it comes to a different culture? .............Shall I headbutt someone for shaking my hand rather than touching noses? :spudwhat:

A headbutt is assault.

[T.I.E]

removed message due to pms recieved.
excuse any inconvience

[NotaGoth]

the guy took it too far i agree. he should be punished, but don't let tourism get away with it either. they need to know it is not a concert, it is not a show. it is a way of life. they all made a mistake by putting a tourist up there.


Yes but it is "not their culture". Unless they have read up on it they would not know. Or unless they have had it fully explained to them. Just like how there are LOTS of things that I did not know, things that I have done that would have been insulting to certain cultures. Was it done intentionally? No.

No mistake. The only mistake was made by the person who felt the need to let head meet someones face.There was no need for violence.

[James Deuce]

removed message due to pms recieved.
excuse any inconvience

Well, that's unfortunate - I was hoping for a public debate. You cowards that can't voice your opinions in public need to think carefully about how that makes you look to the universe.

TIE has been eloquent and respectful and didn't deserve that kind of crap.

TIE I'm sorry if that happened because I tried pushing that line of debate.

Abuse isn't free speech, and censorship could also be called bullying by PM. Very disappointing.

[parsley]

My ancestors were Vikings. If I'm reading this right I can rape your women, pillage your house and burn it to the ground and if you try to stop me I can gut you with a big fucking axe then claim it's my cultural heritage and you were being offensive?

Cool. :bash:

[avgas]

Culture is something that is respected, not abused.
Also it is something that changes. Those who dont like that concept should remain neanderthals (sp?)
The guy had no right to headbutt, he wasnt doing a traditional welcoming in the first place.

[idb]

Of course it's assault!
It's got nothing to do with protocol beyond the usual good manners one should display anywhere in public - the tourist paid to see a show, a display of dancing, singing & eat some hangi food. Maybe some sheep shearing-I don't know.
It's a circus for the entertainment of paying guests where the performers put on costumes and paint lines on their faces with marker pens.
The defence of breach of protocol should have no relevance in this situation.

[scumdog]

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if he was given a warning but remain employed by the board. Its a cultural thing, and they may justify it by saying it was offensive to their culture.
I am in no way condoning whats happened though.

Would have been real bad bad luck if the guest who got the broken nose found THAT was culturaly insensitive to HIM - AND the only cultural response was mashing the nose-breakers face into ground.:bash:

What would be the reaction THEN??

[NotaGoth]

My ancestors were Vikings. If I'm reading this right I can rape your women, pillage your house and burn it to the ground and if you try to stop me I can gut you with a big fucking axe then claim it's my cultural heritage and you were being offensive?

Cool. :bash:

bling coming your way, and its not a red one.

[idb]

Why a breech loader? How about some contemporay Royal Netherlands Army military hardware.

<table align="left" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" width="300"> <caption>P90
Technical Summary</caption> <tbody><tr> <td colspan="2" align="center"> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td align="center" width="140">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d4/Fn_p90_right.jpg/300px-Fn_p90_right.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fn_p90_right.jpg)</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Caliber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliber):</td> <td>5.7 x 28 mm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.7_x_28_mm)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Action (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_action):</td> <td>Blowback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_%28arms%29), closed bolt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_bolt)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Mass:</td> <td>
2.5 kg (5.9 lb) empty
3 kg (6.6 lb) loaded </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Length:</td> <td>500 mm (20 in)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Barrel length:</td> <td>263 mm (10.5 in)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rate of fire:</td> <td>900 rounds/min</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Magazine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_%28firearm%29):</td> <td>50-round detachable box</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Effective range:</td> <td>200 m</td></tr></tbody> </table>

Take it to the gun thread buddy......!

[James Deuce]

Take it to the gun thread buddy......!

You're just lucky I haven't turned this into a beer thread.

[scumdog]

You're just lucky I haven't turned this into a beer thread.

Do you mean a Boer thread, do you know they had Mauser and Martini rifles then ? The Boers had it all over the rest of us - bolt action five shot high velocity smaller calibre vs a single-shot falling block large calibre low velocity rifle.

BTW Some of my rellies were raped, their cattle stolen and a whole lot of them killed about 200+ years ago, can I claim compensation for this????

[SPman]

You're just lucky I haven't turned this into a beer thread.
Do you want me to do it for you? :blip:

[idb]

Do you mean a Boer thread, do you know they had Mauser and Martini rifles then ? The Boers had it all over the rest of us - bolt action five shot high velocity smaller calibre vs a single-shot falling block large calibre low velocity rifle.

I can see it turning into a bore thread *yawn*

[scumdog]

I can see it turning into a bore thread *yawn*

Since when the hell did male porcines become part of this topic!!!:slap:

[idb]

Since when the hell did male porcines become part of this topic!!!:slap:
So they've got pigs on postal delivery out your way?

[scumdog]

So they've got pigs on postal delivery out your way?

Yeah, it's a 'pig' of a 'root', 'bores' the shit out of most of us, it's just delivering 'litter' and it's not one of the 'sounder' ways of making a living, you have to keep a 'crckling' pace to please the 'swine'.:killingme

[idb]

Yeah, it's a 'pig' of a 'root', 'bores' the shit out of most of us, it's just delivering 'litter' and it's not one of the 'sounder' ways of making a living, you have to keep a 'crckling' pace to please the 'swine'.:killingme
Why are you 'pun'-ishing us like this?
Someone should take you to tusk!

[scumdog]

Why are you 'pun'-ishing us like this?
Someone should take you to tusk!

Hey, How can I help it of you 'wallow' with a 'pig' of an idea that I'm 'pun'ishing you?
I suppose you 'trot' around in life making 'silk purses out of sows ears' but the rest of us are avoiding 'rash'ers of 'swine fever'. :lol: :killingme

[idb]

Hey, How can I help it of you 'wallow' with a 'pig' of an idea that I'm 'pun'ishing you?
I suppose you 'trot' around in life making 'silk purses out of sows ears' but the rest of us are avoiding 'rash'ers of 'swine fever'. :lol: :killingme
There's snout much I can do about it if you insist on ham-bushing a thread and then sty-mying any attempt to bring it bacon track?

[scumdog]

There's snout much I can do about it if you insist on ham-bushing a thread and then sty-mying any attempt to bring it bacon track?

Sorry, I never realise I was 'porking' you around, I never meant to 'hog' the 'swine'-light, I guess I have more 'brawn' than brain eh?

[idb]

Sorry, I never realise I was 'porking' you around, I never meant to 'hog' the 'swine'-light, I guess I have more 'brawn' than brain eh?
A man in your occupation shouldn't go rind making such hamhocked attempts at porcine humour.
It only grunts the rest of us the opportunity to take the piss.

[scumdog]

A man in your occupation shouldn't go rind making such hamhocked attempts at porcine humour.
It only grunts the rest of us the opportunity to take the piss.

Yeah 'wallow' in your 'large white' values you 'crackling' witty 'more-pork'!!!
I suppose you have to keep 'snorting' along making you feel like you have to rub 'salt in the fat' and making some 'pig scratchings'
Don't curl your tail up too much!!!

xenograft - look it up!!

[mstriumph]

........................................
Can you imagine if the French got upset with all the poms not speaking da lingo when they go there? ..........

they do - allus thought it was just something to do with agincourt an disregarded it though ...................

[Big Dave]

Yeah 'wallow' in your 'large white' values you 'crackling' witty 'more-pork'!!!
I suppose you have to keep 'snorting' along making you feel like you have to rub 'salt in the fat' and making some 'pig scratchings'
Don't curl your tail up too much!!!

xenograft - look it up!!

You could probably get a Pharmacist to give you something for those puns.
If condition persists see your Doctor.

[scumdog]

You could probably get a Pharmacist to give you something for those puns.
If condition persists see your Doctor.



Hey! it's 0225hrs, it's the best we can do, even my Dr is on the run by now c,ya!!

[idb]

Yeah 'wallow' in your 'large white' values you 'crackling' witty 'more-pork'!!!
I suppose you have to keep 'snorting' along making you feel like you have to rub 'salt in the fat' and making some 'pig scratchings'
Don't curl your tail up too much!!!

xenograft - look it up!!
Yeah, prolly a low blow but I was getting desperate and a kick to the goolies was my only option.

Xenograft relates to my donkey-sized man-bits I assume?
They are all mine you know, no surgical enhancement required.

[Str8 Jacket]

Would have been real bad bad luck if the guest who got the broken nose found THAT was culturaly insensitive to HIM - AND the only cultural response was mashing the nose-breakers face into ground.:bash:

What would be the reaction THEN??

Scumdog, I was being purely hypothetical (sp?) I believe that what this guy did IS assault, I do not believe that he should have done it and I actually think its disgusting. However I was just commenting on what the defts lawyers etc may use in this guys defence. As with everything some people may be impressed with what he did (defending his culture) and others (such as myself) disgusted with what hes done. Sorry if Ive offended anyone!

[aff-man]

Should be charged to the full extent of the law. People grin when they are nervous. It is mostly a subconcious(sp) thing. So A guy is singled out... he feels nervous.... told he has nothing to worry about....... and gets headbutted??

Sure it's cultural but they are tourists....If it had been a group of saffa's And someone came at one of them the result would have been slightly different methinks (no i am not speaking for all saffa's if someone attacks your family or friends you don't allow it no matter how big or significant the guy is.... it's our culture)

[Pixie]

My ancestors were Vikings. If I'm reading this right I can rape your women, pillage your house and burn it to the ground and if you try to stop me I can gut you with a big fucking axe then claim it's my cultural heritage and you were being offensive?

Cool. :bash:
Really? Is that how it works?
My ancestors were Romans.I can do anything/one I want,have slaves,orgies,become degenerate and get overun by northern hordes.:banana:

[Aitch]

The guy didn't deserve it.


A grin was an insult, yes (who cares). What are we going to do? Run round twakking anyone and everyone who isn't sensitive when it comes to a different culture? .............Shall I headbutt someone for shaking my hand rather than touching noses? :spudwhat:

A headbutt is assault.

It's only an insult if someone is genuinely offended...not because some quick thinking defence lawyer tells his client to say it is. Anyway, when was an insult a valid excuse to assault someone???
Seems to me some folks want Maori culture firmly cemented in the early 1800s....or earlier if possible!

[Yokai]

I'm not a maori. I'm not even a Kiwi. I don't know about the challenges and rituals on Marae etc. (though I am trying to learn).

What I do know though is that in Northern Europe, a common feature of nervousness is the smile. It's why guilty Europeans smile... They are nervous.

I've seen the challenge ceremony on TV, and I'd be scared - I'd probably smile as I am one of the nervous smiley types....

I'd hate to be headbutted (or killed) for showing that the Challenge Ritual worked.

[Ixion]

Really? Is that how it works?
My ancestors were Romans.I can do anything/one I want,have slaves,orgies,become degenerate and get overun by northern hordes.:banana:

My ancestors were the northern hordes. Push off, you've just been overrun , I'm taking over the slaves, orgies, loot and assorted tottie departments.

[James Deuce]

My ancestors were the northern hordes. Push off, you've just been overrun , I'm taking over the slaves, orgies, loot and assorted tottie departments.
Ooo me too.

When are we going on a civilisation destroying rampage then?

[Lou Girardin]

Ooo me too.

When are we going on a civilisation destroying rampage then?

You're a big, bad biker aren't you?
Kill all the women, rape all the men etc.

[idb]

Kill all the women, rape all the men etc.
Ya see, that's why I would have been an awful horder

[mstriumph]

"is this the end of civilization as we know it?" she asked herself ..... :blink: