Mugged.

[shcabbeh]

Yesterday as I was coming home from town I was dragged into a garage on the right hand side of Whitaker place on the way down towards my apartment.

I then copped a punch in the face under my right eye. Shuffling and pushing ensued and I managed to hit one of my attackers (there were 2) in the neck with seemingly little effect. I was then thrown into the wall and copped another two punches to the face. The second one put me down where the other guy took my wallet from my hand and kicked me in the stomach.

Then they took off. I lay gasping on the ground for a bit before dusting off and walking to the cops. I'm down $80 and have a swelling under my right eye and tender red patch on my forehead. My stomach has been having problems since then, it hasn't really settled at all, not sure what's going on but I'm still pretty shaken.

Just as a warning to fellow bikers because I know a few live around that area. I've seen a ZXR250 on the hill, but basically just watch your back. I didn't see them until I was dragged in but yeah, be careful.

As far as I know these guys are still out there. Perhaps they chose me because I'm not a huge guy..especially by comparison to them. That and I had my wallet in my hand. I suggest keeping wallets, cash, cards whatever in your pockets and even avoiding walking alone.

Be safe.

[steved]

Crikey! Get well soon.

[Aiolos]

I *knew* there was a reason I lived In Invercargill.

They'll get theirs though, yay for karma.

[T.I.E]

wow thats not good at all. hope your nerves come back and ya heal fast.
this aint good at all.

they suck eggs big time

[skidMark]

shit mate get well soon aye hope they get the bastards:angry:

[MSTRS]

Bugger! Would you know them if you saw 'em again? Effing cowardly pricks:angry:

[NotaGoth]

Wow I'm real sorry to hear that happened.. Thats horrible.. You're very lucky to have only that happen though.

In Sydney you are warned to carry 2 wallets.. one as a decoy.. put a little cash in it.. say 40 dollars, some expired cards. Have your proper wallet stashed else where on you.

They reckon if they steal your wallet over there and aren't satisfied with what is in it, you are likely to get stabbed. :pinch:

[NotaGoth]

Then they took off. I lay gasping on the ground for a bit before dusting off and walking to the cops. I'm down $80 and have a swelling under my right eye and tender red patch on my forehead. My stomach has been having problems since then, it hasn't really settled at all, not sure what's going on but I'm still pretty shaken.


By the way, have you been to get checked out? Specially after taking a kick to the stomach. Could just be bruising but you never know. It is really better to be safe than sorry.

[Jway]

Thanks for the heads up. It’s always such a random act. Takes awhile to get over the shock……..

[Potzman]

there is some real scum out there, that suxs dude.

Get well soon aye.

[Suney]

freaky!
that's where I live
i better watch out from now on

[froggyfrenchman]

Sounds like a pretty rat shit experiance! hope you come right. Was randomly attacked in the street a few weeks back. They wernt dexpecting any resistance and gave up. scary though...

[inlinefour]

If your having trouble with your abdomen area get yoursel checked out. There are a few nasty complications that can arise and you don't need that as well.

[R6_kid]

where abouts is whitaker place exactly? I can get some of the boys to check it out, even do a do a baiting and get some pipe hitting folks to get mid-evil on their asses with a pair of plyers.

[Indoo]

Whitaker place is just off symonds street I think, It will be the same worthless pricks the justice system in this country ensures can stay on our streets despite a multitude of convictions. But their rights are more important than ours.

[WINJA]

MY MATE LIVED IN AN APPARTMENT ON WHITTIKER PLACE , WHEN HE WAS AT WORK ONE NIGHT SOMEONE BROKE INTO HIS PLACE AND TRASHED IT WHILE HIS WIFE WAS HOME , TO PUT A POSITIVE SPIN ON IT I BET YOUD RATHER IT WAS YOU THAT WAS MUGGED THAN YOUR WIFE/GF/MUM/SISTER OR SIGNIFICANT OTHER .
SHE NEVER GOT OVER IT , YOULL BOUNCE BACK AND BE STRONGER .
DONT BE AFRAID TO BE ULTRA VIOLENT IF IT HAPPENS AGIAN , IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO BITE THEN BITE , IF YOU CAN BITE THEIR NOSE THEN BITE IT OFF, GROW A THUMBNAIL LONG , SOMEONE WITH A GOUGED OUT POPPED EYEBALL SOON LEARNS .
ITS NOT TO LATE TO LEARN CAUSE YOU COULDA BEEN LYING IN A CHALK OUTLINE

[Divot]

MY MATE LIVED IN AN APPARTMENT ON WHITTIKER PLACE , WHEN HE WAS AT WORK ONE NIGHT SOMEONE BROKE INTO HIS PLACE AND TRASHED IT WHILE HIS WIFE WAS HOME , TO PUT A POSITIVE SPIN ON IT I BET YOUD RATHER IT WAS YOU THAT WAS MUGGED THAN YOUR WIFE/GF/MUM/SISTER OR SIGNIFICANT OTHER .
SHE NEVER GOT OVER IT , YOULL BOUNCE BACK AND BE STRONGER .
DONT BE AFRAID TO BE ULTRA VIOLENT IF IT HAPPENS AGIAN , IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO BITE THEN BITE , IF YOU CAN BITE THEIR NOSE THEN BITE IT OFF, GROW A THUMBNAIL LONG , SOMEONE WITH A GOUGED OUT POPPED EYEBALL SOON LEARNS .
ITS NOT TO LATE TO LEARN CAUSE YOU COULDA BEEN LYING IN A CHALK OUTLINE

Give it to the cops and they will check the dna data base, see it can be good.

[notme]

That really sux dude.

WTF is society coming to when random shit like this happens.....:angry:

You weren't in bike gear I take it? A helmet is a good pacifier if someone's getting physical....I used to live in an apartment where you had to go round the outside of the building to get to the gargre - a helmet in one hand makes a good self defence tool!

[carver]

here is a "preventatave measure"
get a piece of 4mm mild steel plate 250mm x 250mm (maybe more)
drill 4 holes with centres 25 mm from front edge (each the size of your fingers in the plate)
grind off front but leave the end closest to your finger so it becomes a point.
sharpen down end that runs paralell to your little finger as long as desired
file holes to the profile of your fingers
de-burr the holes
now you have a small device to slip into your wallet.
known as a knuckle duster (this is my own design, made for nightclub brawls etc... where you have the disadvantage)
dont engineers rock?:blip:

[Colapop]

Hey fella, not good to hear 'bout this. Good that you've said something not good it happened. Keep an eye out, and in all seriousness go with someone when you go out.

On the bright side Wellington is looking pretty good.

[cowpoos]

shit mate thats a tough blow...how are ya?? call the cops???

[korowetere]

Sorry to hear that. Would never have expected that part of town to be dangerous. You never can tell :(

[WINJA]

HEY INSTEAD OF WAITING TO GET MUGGED AGAIN GO TO PHILIP LAMS MUAY THAI GYM ON ANZAC AVE , ITS JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM YOU, THOSE THAI GUYS ARE SMALL BUT THE LEARN TO USE WHAT THEY HAVE (EG KALKLEI KNOCKING OUT MIGHTY MO).
THE MAIN TRAINER THERE IS OR WAS PIAK REAL NICE GUY , ITS CHEAP TO JOIN , ITS HARD WORK , PHILIP LAM IS A HELL OF A GUY , HE GAVE ME 5 YEARS OF TRAINING FREE OF CHARGE.
YOULL LEARN TO USE ELBOWS AND KNEES , MOST IMPORTANTLY YOULL HOP IN THE RING AND SPA AND LEARN TO ENGAGE AND GET USE TO GETTING HIT AND KNOCKED DOWN.THERES SOME GOOD DEFENSIVE MOVES YOU CAN LEARN LIKE A PUSH KICK OFF THE LEADING LEG , PUNCHING INSIDE A PUNCH , PUNCHING OVER THE TOP OF A PUNCH, AND LOTS OF ATTACKING MOVES LIKE KNEES AND CLASSIC THAI SHIN KICKS

[Marmoot]

PHILIP LAM IS A HELL OF A GUY , HE GAVE ME 5 YEARS OF TRAINING FREE OF CHARGE.

Not to mention that he has a quite okay brothel :blip:

[WINJA]

Not to mention that he has a quite okay brothel :blip:
I DIDNT SAY HE WAS SQUAKY CLEAN

[Toast]

Sorry to hear about this bro, what a shit city we live in...

Like WINJA says though aye...only one kind of insurance against this kinda shit. Even if all of the cops were off highway patrol, they still couldn't prevent these things from happening reliably. Learn to get feral on them, biting through someone like this's ear or cheek will likely put the shits up them enough that they'll piss off, or at least give you enough time to bail.

A mate of mine trained with that dude on Anzac Ave too. Awesome trainer and a good guy I hear.

I used to live in the hostel down the end of that street...it would be kind of a muggers paradise really.

[Marmoot]

I DIDNT SAY HE WAS SQUAKY CLEAN

who said he was/wasn't?

I just said that he has a brothel with some nice content :2thumbsup
used to work just underneath that place, and some of the girls stayed in my workplace :blip:
Nice revealing clothes they have.....

[danb]

Bad news to hear :doh:
Otara is spreading its wings..... :bash:

[XP@]

Crap when that happens :(

wallet in front pocket, minimal jewlery.
look like you don't give a shit.
don't look like your drunk.

[Teflon]

HE GAVE ME 5 YEARS OF TRAINING FREE OF CHARGE.


Do you know the Bishops well?

[Fart]

Not to mention that he has a quite okay brothel :blip:

Lam Sefu. He would be the last person in the Chinese community I want to piss off, if you know what I mean. :yes: :wait:

The best defence if someone is to attack you is punch them in the throat. The problem is that they may not live to feel the result of your punch.

[WINJA]

Do you know the Bishops well?
WHERE ARE THEY FROM?

[WINJA]

who said he was/wasn't?

I just said that he has a brothel with some nice content :2thumbsup
used to work just underneath that place, and some of the girls stayed in my workplace :blip:
Nice revealing clothes they have.....
I BET HE LET THE LADYBOYS STAY WITH YOU AND YOU COULDNT TELL THE DIFFERENCE .
STILL , BACK TO THE SUBJECT OF HELPING THIS GUY GET HIS CONFIDENCE BACK, HE COULD DATE ONE OF MY 100KG OR OVER FEMALE COUSINS

[SixPackBack]

Sorry to hear about the robbery and beating...bad news. A most effective and legal solution to defence in this country is home made pepper spray.It works, cheap, legal and requires no skill........google pepper spray!

[Beemer]

What mongrels, funny how so many of them hunt in pairs, too scared to try it on their own in case someone beats the crap out of them. Hope you're okay and don't suffer any lasting effects.

Hey, Winja, sounds like you should change your name to Ninja! I did karate for years and although I never had to use it against someone in a situation like this, it did give me confidence. The hardest thing to deal with initially is the fact you have been hit - at first you think "what the hell? Someone's just hit me!" and you don't get the chance to react before they do it again. Boxing or martial arts training gets you over that and so when someone hits you, you are either able to deflect the blow if you see it coming, or hit them back rather than going into shock.

But having said that, wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a society where anyone could walk the streets without having to deal with this crap?

[SPman]

What mongrels, funny how so many of them hunt in pairs, too scared to try it on their own in case someone beats the crap out of them..
Of course - they have gone feral - no such thing as honour or fair play. The only defense is to be MORE feral than they are! My motto has always been to either avoid a confrontation totally (ie run away) or, if you are in that situation - go in hard fast and dirty! When its a fight, there is no such thing as fighting fair - its survival, boyo - the punch in the throat is effective and, if they dont recover - fuck em! Claim self defence, fighting for your life, .......

[kro]

Auckland central really sux doesn't it. Bad luck schabbeh, I at least hope you got a good swing or two in. Lousy wankers.

[WINJA]

Sorry to hear about the robbery and beating...bad news. A most effective and legal solution to defence in this country is home made pepper spray.It works, cheap, legal and requires no skill........google pepper spray!
CRC LECTRACLEAN IS A GREAT SUBSTITUTE FOR MACE WORKS ON DOGS TOO. ALSO A FIRE EXTINGUISHER , YOU SHOULD ALWAYS MOUNT IT ACCESABLE TO YOUR DRIVERS SEAT SO IF SOME ONE HAS ROAD RAGE , EG CLAW HAMMER LET THEM HAVE IT IN THE FACE THEN POUND THEM WITH THE EMPTY CYLINDER.
BTW PROPER MACE REALLY HURTS , I GOT MACED IN DARBY ST A FEW YEARS AGO AND IT REALLY TAKES THE FIGHT OUT OF YOU

[mv.senna]

" I GOT MACED IN DARBY ST A FEW YEARS AGO AND IT REALLY TAKES THE FIGHT OUT OF YOU "

geeze, ouch!! was it something you said? :lol:

also, i'm 99kg now (not 100) - stop telling everyone we're cousins..... xxx

[WINJA]

" I GOT MACED IN DARBY ST A FEW YEARS AGO AND IT REALLY TAKES THE FIGHT OUT OF YOU "

geeze, ouch!! was it something you said? :lol:

also, i'm 99kg now (not 100) - stop telling everyone we're cousins..... xxx[/QUOTE]
I WAS TESTING IT FOR A FRIEND , OR I SHOULD SAY HE WAS TESTING IT ON ME, THE DANGER IS WHEN HE SPRAYED ME I PUT MY HAND OUT AND IT BOUNCED BACK ON HIM AS WELL, ITS A REAL CONVINIENT THING TO CARRY , IT LOOKED LIKE A SPRAY TYPE LENS CLEANER BOTTLE WITH A TWIST TO LOCK TOP

[mv.senna]

Lam Sefu. He would be the last person in the Chinese community I want to piss off, if you know what I mean. :yes: :wait:

The best defence if someone is to attack you is punch them in the throat. The problem is that they may not live to feel the result of your punch.

Hiya Fart, how do you know Sefu? Lee Gar??

PS: upwards driving palm heel to base of nose very effective also....as is c-grip round throat cartilidge - has carotid artery running bilaterally alongside, so easy to make victim pass out - or rip throat out in process. very hard for victim to defend if you ensure a good grip.....apparently.... ahem, cough.

[SixPackBack]

"

geeze, ouch!! was it something you said? :lol:

also, i'm 99kg now (not 100) - stop telling everyone we're cousins..... xxx
I WAS TESTING IT FOR A FRIEND , OR I SHOULD SAY HE WAS TESTING IT ON ME, THE DANGER IS WHEN HE SPRAYED ME I PUT MY HAND OUT AND IT BOUNCED BACK ON HIM AS WELL, ITS A REAL CONVINIENT THING TO CARRY , IT LOOKED LIKE A SPRAY TYPE LENS CLEANER BOTTLE WITH A TWIST TO LOCK TOP[/QUOTE]
So we give you our MACE orders WINJA?

[NotaGoth]

Sorry to hear about the robbery and beating...bad news. A most effective and legal solution to defence in this country is home made pepper spray.It works, cheap, legal and requires no skill........google pepper spray!

I didn't know pepper spray was legal here. I wanted some for at the bar where I work. Mum said no and that I'd get in trouble. Someone else told me to carry impulse spray. ;)

[Brett]

that is bloody shocking. I hope they pick on someone who know how to box or martial arts, and get a hiding.

[mv.senna]

I WAS TESTING IT FOR A FRIEND , OR I SHOULD SAY HE WAS TESTING IT ON ME, THE DANGER IS WHEN HE SPRAYED ME I PUT MY HAND OUT AND IT BOUNCED BACK ON HIM AS WELL, ITS A REAL CONVINIENT THING TO CARRY , IT LOOKED LIKE A SPRAY TYPE LENS CLEANER BOTTLE WITH A TWIST TO LOCK TOP[/quote]

1. want to get me some..

2. are you still training at city lee gar? is choppa still training there? it used to be invite only. (am looking around at the mo - considering ETK)

[WINJA]

I WAS TESTING IT FOR A FRIEND , OR I SHOULD SAY HE WAS TESTING IT ON ME, THE DANGER IS WHEN HE SPRAYED ME I PUT MY HAND OUT AND IT BOUNCED BACK ON HIM AS WELL, ITS A REAL CONVINIENT THING TO CARRY , IT LOOKED LIKE A SPRAY TYPE LENS CLEANER BOTTLE WITH A TWIST TO LOCK TOP

1. want to get me some..

2. are you still training at city lee gar? is choppa still training there? it used to be invite only. (am looking around at the mo - considering ETK)[/QUOTE]
I DONT TRAIN ANYWHERE ANYMORE , JUST GOT A BAG AT HOME , I WAS NEVER VERY GOOD , I ONLY GOT 5 YEARS TRAINING FOR FREE CAUSE I WAS A MOBILE PUNCHING BAG THAT PUNCHED BACK , I DIDNT MIND GETTING HIT AT ALL YOU GET USED TO IT.
I DONT KNOW IF CHOPPA IS THERE ANY MORE , BUT I CAN REMEMBER HIS FIRST DAY WHEN HE WALKED INTO THE GYM , IT WAS WHEN THE GYM WAS ON BEACH RD NEXT TO THAT ASIAN SHOP , YOU CAN STILL SEE THE LEE GAR PAINTINGS ON THE WALL, HE CAME ALONG WITH A GUY CALLED MARK , CHOPPA WAS ABOUT 16 HE HAD DREAD LOCKS , HE GOT THE NAME CHOPPA FROM LOLO WHEN HE WALKED INTO THE BALMORAL GYM AFTER HE HAD HIS DREADS CUT OFF AND LOLO SAYS " HEY CHOPPA" AND THE NAME STUCK , I THINK , IT WAS A VERY LONG TIME AGO

[mv.senna]

Shit Winja, that's a few years ago then....good story though LOL!! hard case. i could imagine LOLO saying something like that!! I used to train at Lee Gar Albany with Eddie, and go to LOLO's gym for sparring. City gym was invite only though. my current boxing trainer used to train with LOLO when they were both still fighting. it's a small world ay?!

a bit of basic self defence should be part of the PE school curriculum...then we wouldn't have half the hassles like this guy had.

[WINJA]

Shit Winja, that's a few years ago then....good story though LOL!! hard case. i could imagine LOLO saying something like that!! I used to train at Lee Gar Albany with Eddie, and go to LOLO's gym for sparring. City gym was invite only though. my current boxing trainer used to train with LOLO when they were both still fighting. it's a small world ay?!

a bit of basic self defence should be part of the PE school curriculum...then we wouldn't have half the hassles like this guy had.
MUAYTHAI IS REAL EFFECTIVE ,ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES I USED IT WAS ON A GUY THROWING HAYMAKERS AND I PUSH KICKED HIM OFF THE LEADING LEG SO HARD THAT IT SLIPPED DOWN AND GOT HIS COCK AS WELL , AS HE FOLDED I GAVE HIM AN UPPERCUT, IM SO GRATEFULL TO THOSE GUYS FOR THEIR TRAINING , DOES THE HEAT STILL TRAIN PEOPLE , I HEARD HE WENT AWAY FOR A POOL HALL INCIDENT

[NhuanH]

PS: upwards driving palm heel to base of nose very effective also....as is c-grip round throat cartilidge - has carotid artery running bilaterally alongside, so easy to make victim pass out - or rip throat out in process. very hard for victim to defend if you ensure a good grip.....apparently.... ahem, cough.
Didn't you try that on our last date? :slap:

[Dafe]

ONCE WERE WARRIORS - PORIRUA EDITION!

I hate all this aggression!

I was riding with a mate through Porirua a week ago.
My mate was well infront on the motorway and came up quickly behind a car on the motorway. The car was going pretty slow so I caught up to my mate on the offramp quite quickly.
This dude in the car was leaning right over from the front passenger seat giving us the finger. He had two young kids (approx 5 years old) in the back seat. We then saw him slapping the chick that was driving.
Through the first roundabout, he was leaning over again giving us the fingers with both hands.
I figured he's really got it in for my mate for coming up on them so quick.
So I pressed ahead of my mate as he dropped back behind me, next roundabout and I noticed the guy opening the door, then he jumped out. My mate scrambled around the other side of the car and through the roundabout.
I noticed the guy was Mongrel Mob with full facial tatts, gang patches etc.
I looked at my exit route but thought fuck this!
I braked, stopped and just sat there. This prick comes over and says:
You wanna go? What the fuck are you looking at?
I said nothing ignoring him. Looking straight at him of course, because he really wouldn't know what I was looking at in my full tint visor.
He leaned right up to my visor shouting - U wanna fucking go?
Again, I ignored him.
The fucking coward eventually returned to his car & pissed off. Probably beating his wife on the way..... especially since he couldn't use his mindgames of fear on me. Bloody coward is quick enough to slap his wife and make threatening gestures, but when presented with a guy who didn't give a shit about any of it, he walks away!?!
I was raised in Porirua getting the shit beaten out of me day in day out. I'm just so tired of this behaviour!
When I think about it, I guess there is alot of mystery about a guy sitting on his bike, unfazed - obviously not giving a fuck, faceless as well and especially when he's reasonably solid built. You'd have no idea what you are getting yourself into.
Anyway, if he had a problem with my mate, why should he take it out on me?

[Dafe]

Bloody Aucklanders, watch your back!

[SuperDave]

Sucks to hear about this, hope you heal up quickly. Fuck scum like that, this is the kinda stuff I hate to hear happen in NZ.

A good defensive tool when walking to your car or whatnot in a dark place is to have your keys in your hand with the metal part of the key sticking out between your fingers - if someone attacks you all you need to do is land a medium to hard punch to them and the key should penetrate and give them a nasty shock - hopefully sending them running away thinking they have been knifed.

[MidnightMike]

We Kb'rs should be issued with sawn-off shotguns that attch to our bike so when confronted with F*ckholes like that we can shoot them on the face ... oh yeah feel the burn :2guns: :eek5:

[Wolf]

Sorry to hear your tale. It's never fun to be on the receiving end of random violence and it's never fun having your money/belongings taken by low-lifes. Both combined has got to suck big time.

I hope they get busted and I hope your sore stomach isn't anything serious - there are some vital bits in there you don't want to get damaged.

If you figure you could recognise them again, keep an eye out - they're obviously local to the area and you might be able to find out who they are/where they live.

[Harry33]

I agree with Superdave..I always have my keys in my hand between my fingers ready, I like to avoid all trouble if I can but sometimes trouble comes knocking

So go hard if someone wants to try it on. No such thing as nice and fair:bash: . Give them something to think about in hospital :)

[Dafe]

I agree with Superdave..I always have my keys in my hand between my fingers ready, I like to avoid all trouble if I can but sometimes trouble comes knocking

So go hard if someone wants to try it on. No such thing as nice and fair:bash: . Give them something to think about in hospital :)

If you guys are going to employ these tactics, just farkin make sure you can outrun these guys! Cos, obviously the consequences if you get caught, will be heavily life threatening!

[Skyryder]

Hiya Fart, how do you know Sefu? Lee Gar??

PS: upwards driving palm heel to base of nose very effective

That's a killer blow. Better be a life threating situation or there's some serious shit coming.

Skyryder

[Dafe]

That's a killer blow. Better be a life threating situation or there's some serious shit coming.

Skyryder

I'm hearing you dude! If you do deliver the killer blow, do you wanna have murder on your conscience for the rest of your life???
Fuck that, I'd rather have a bash, loose 80 bucks and know I didn't kill a man I didn't have to. Even if he was a scum!

[Skyryder]

We Kb'rs should be issued with sawn-off shotguns that attch to our bike so when confronted with F*ckholes like that we can shoot them on the face ... oh yeah feel the burn :2guns: :eek5:

Some of the places I've been and people I know I don't talk about but some tricks I've picked are truly original. Most people have heard of replacing lead with rocksalt for face shots but it pales into comparisons when glass from a light bulb is used. The glass is so light there is very little penetration and if you use the clear glass from lightbulbs impossible to remove. And it gets everywhere, mouth throat, eyes, nose etc. Very nasty. Just the thing for these muggers. A bit of street justice.

Skyryder

[idb]

I'm hearing you dude! If you do deliver the killer blow, do you wanna have murder on your conscience for the rest of your life???
Fuck that, I'd rather have a bash, loose 80 bucks and know I didn't kill a man I didn't have to. Even if he was a scum!
You're either going to fight back or you're not.

[Harry33]

Life would be great if none of us had to worry about being attacked,mugged The best thing you can do is run if you can. But sometimes you don't get that option. (my friend and myself got jumped outside Midcity a few years back by five Island guys while we had a smoke, I got the old "What are you looking at?" answering "Pardon" wasn't the right answer as I got sucker punched in the face while sitting down. Two small white guys against five solid Island guys. We were lucky as a movie had just finished and people were leaving.

I would never want to kill anyone but I sure as hell don't want to be killed either. I carry my keys as hopefully a deterrent. Never had to use them and hopefully I never will.

[mstriumph]

I'm hearing you dude! If you do deliver the killer blow, do you wanna have murder on your conscience for the rest of your life???
Fuck that, I'd rather have a bash, loose 80 bucks and know I didn't kill a man I didn't have to. Even if he was a scum!

i don't believe many people could be that restrained

[number33]

Bring in the noose and trapdoor. Walking back from the pub 12 o'clock carload of hoons do their burnout crap. Yell out what a bunch of poofters. Gits get heavy pull up bailout on the footpath. Another 1/2 dozen pile out their gutless jappo shitter and join 'em. Surrounded. I'm pissed and don't give a fuck. Just young kids. Tell the stroppiest punk I'll punch his fucken teeth in if he don't fucken move. Shuts up quick. Some slaggy aggressive bitch starts mouthing off telling everyone to give me a fucking hiding. Call the slut an ugly dyke cow and to fuck up too. Am thinkin' another sunday morning black eyes chipped teeth. Young lads too scared to do anything. Keep walking don't look back. Evil slag is still sreaming and bitching. Don't try it with the mongies unless you've got 50 rounds in your kalashnikov.

[Dafe]

You're either going to fight back or you're not.I'll fight back if I have to. I think you're missing the point.
I'm saying that I won't deliver the kind of attack "NhuanH" pointed out. i.e. upwards driving palm heel to base of nose very effective
nor would I go for his ripping out the throat via a C-Grip option.
These both seemed abit extreme to me!

[shcabbeh]

Cheers for all your replies.

I did cause a little bit of damage to the guy who kicked me in the stomach, probably not the smartest move but I was angry and well..yeah.

My stomach has settled down a bit now and my cheek just has an angry bruise, not swollen so much.

Your advice is good though, thanks. I've been meaning to get to a gym anyway as my goal is to join the cops in a couple of years and if I can't even handle two guys on a petty theft I wouldn't be much use to anyone.

[scumdog]

I agree with #33, hell, never been bounced by a bunch of wannabe coconut loser ganstas that couldn't even find their own cocks let alone what day of the week it was!!

My job is the ONE thing that saves their sorry fuckin' arses. (left alone they would be "terminated with extreme prejudice":2thumbsup

To the rest of you: action beats reaction, if you ain't suspicious right from the get-go, well, you ain't got a chance.:slap:

[WINJA]

if I can't even handle two guys on a petty theft I wouldn't be much use to anyone.

YOULL BE FINE , DONT LOSE YOUR CONFIDENCE YOU JUST NEED TO LEARN AND YOU ALREADY GOT YOUR FIRST LESSON , THE PIGS WILL TEACH YOU HOW TO LOOK AFTER YOURSELF AND OTHERS IN YOUR TRAINING , WELL I HOPE THEY STILL DO . AT PHILIP LAMS A FEW COPS TRAINED THERE TO UPSKILL , IT WAS VERY FUNNY CAUSE THERE WERE GUYS ABOUT TO GO INTO PRISON AND WERE THERE BRUSHING UP SPARRING WITH COPS WHO WERE TRAINING THEMSELVES TO HANDLE THESE GUYS , AND THE PIGS COULD ALWAYS HOLD THEIR OWN , I HATE TO SAY IT BUT GO BE A COP REMEMBER YOUR MUGGING AND GO GET SOME REVENGE FOR ALL OF US

[spudchucka]

Cheers for all your replies.

I did cause a little bit of damage to the guy who kicked me in the stomach, probably not the smartest move but I was angry and well..yeah.

My stomach has settled down a bit now and my cheek just has an angry bruise, not swollen so much.

Your advice is good though, thanks. I've been meaning to get to a gym anyway as my goal is to join the cops in a couple of years and if I can't even handle two guys on a petty theft I wouldn't be much use to anyone.
It wasn't a petty theft, it was an agravated robbery and possibly an abduction so don't belittle what happened to you.

When I was 16 I got jumped by a group of 6 - 7 Nomad gang members, they kicked the shit out of me and smashed bottles over my head just to pinch the leather jacket I was wearing.

A couple of years ago I had the pleasure of having one of the arsewipes that did it in custody at the station where I was serving at that time. I spoke to him in the cells for a while and was going to tell him that he and his mates were one of the reasons that I joined the police. After a while I couldn't be bothered, the guy had become a broken down drug addict, on the methodone program, he was aged about 45 but had the body of a 70 year old, he had nobody in his life other than his low life gang mates, he stunk like a rubbish tip, and would have sold his soul for a ciggarette.

After a while I just felt sorry for the guy. Not in a "you poor thing, life has been cruel to you" way but in a "what a waste of a human life" sort of way.

I thought about how I felt about this encounter for a long time and I eventually realised that the reason that encounter with the gang all those years ago had drawn me into policing wasn't to get revenge on the scum that did that to me but was more in the hope that I might prevent some young kid from making the same choices those Nomad guys made.

Good luck with your police application, I'm sure you will make a great cop.

[Wolf]

To the rest of you: action beats reaction, if you ain't suspicious right from the get-go, well, you ain't got a chance.:slap:
Yep. Got out of a lot of sticky situations because I was expecting trouble and took precautions to lessen the chance of trouble. I've walked down the middle of the road in the wee hours of the morning in order to increase the distance any prospective attacker must travel to reach me - fuck walking too close to large bushes or trees or sheltered driveways after dark in some areas of town.

I also keep an eye on my shadows (usually several at night depending on the positions of street lamps and houses) and ensure they are appropriate to the lighting and behaving normally - just in case they suddenly multiply or some move faster than they should...

If being followed I test to see if it's coincidental (cross road and see if they follow. If they do, cross back and see if they follow again...)

If approaching a group of people I prepare to take evasive or defensive actions and I assess them for any indications that they are in a mood for aggro.

Have armed myself with keys and/or lit a cigarette and held it so that it would point forward if I made my hand into a fist (OK, I'd get burned knuckles if I punched someone but I'd take burned knuckles over the burned face an attacker would get)

So far I've been pretty safe - randomly smacked over by a bunch of thugs in broad daylight down by the river bank once and followed up the street by another bunch of thugs but I "made" them early and got out of the situation (this time, by chance my mates turned up in the van just as I was planning my escape route and getting ready to leg it with gusto). Most the other situations I've either avoided altogether or defused.

[Marmoot]

Spudchucka, here's a serious question.

In a life-and-death scenario where a kidnapper threatens your life (and you cannot possibly see a way out of it), then a hypothetical fight ensues where we acidentally (seriously accidentally) causes a deadly force, would that be called manslaughter or legal self defence?

I'm asking because yesterday there were 4 teenage kids trying to get at me in front of my place while I was carying a hammer in my back pocket. Luckily they decided to back off (yes, sick society we're living in nowadays aye? I highly suspect they're the ones broke into my house last week too). I might not know kungfu, but (as one member said) I know crazy and I'm willing to use it.

[Marmoot]

Have armed myself with keys and/or lit a cigarette and held it so that it would point forward if I made my hand into a fist

I normally prefer strong sharp pen.
properly aimed at the arm or neck it could create a mess.

[judgeshock]

I'm really sorry to hear that dude, I hope you get better soon:doh: Go hard for the police dude, I have just been accepted( subject to a final fitness test). One thing I have learnt after dealing with the Police is that you probably won't have to deal with these thugs on your own, backups a beautiful thing.

Unfortunately this sort of thing is happening everywhere at the moment, on saturday night down here a group of about 6 youths attacked a couple on their way home from the pub. They attacked them from behind him and her, the brave little shits. Luckily he inflicted abit of damage and also got one of their jumpers.

[spudchucka]

Spudchucka, here's a serious question.

In a life-and-death scenario where a kidnapper threatens your life (and you cannot possibly see a way out of it), then a hypothetical fight ensues where we acidentally (seriously accidentally) causes a deadly force, would that be called manslaughter or legal self defence?

I'm asking because yesterday there were 4 teenage kids trying to get at me in front of my place while I was carying a hammer in my back pocket. Luckily they decided to back off (yes, sick society we're living in nowadays aye? I highly suspect they're the ones broke into my house last week too). I might not know kungfu, but (as one member said) I know crazy and I'm willing to use it.
There was an extensive thread on this very subject jsut a few months ago. I can't remember the title of it but if you search on "self defence" or something like that you will find it. Actually I think it was initially to do with the farmer that shot at burglars who were stealing a quad bike.

To answer your question section 48 of the Crimes Act 1961 allows a legal defence to use force against another person in order to defend yourself or to defend another person. The level of force used must be necessary and reasonable in the circumstances. If you used force against another person and that person died as a result there will obviously be an investigation. As a result of that investigation you may well be charged or not if the evidence is so clear that there is no case to answer.

If you were charged the police would have to prove that the level of force used wasn't justified or reasonable. The measure of reasonablness is subjective and is considered based on what you say you believed at the time and also on what any other reasonable person (eg: a trial jury) would perceive if placed in the same circumstances.

If you in fact used the hammer in your pocket as a weapon to defend yourself then you would have to answer as to why you had a hammer in your pocket in a public place in the first place. You would need a good excuse as there is no defence for carrying such an item with the intention of using it as a weapon, even if it was only intended to be used in self defence. I'm not suggesting that this was the case with you, just highlighting how things can be perceived in certain circumstances.

I hope that helps.

[Yokai]

garage on the right hand side of Whitaker place on the way down towards my apartment.

Shit man - hope you are OK - I'm just up the road from there (Galbraith's) ... That sucks dude - thanks for the warning...

[Marmoot]

If you in fact used the hammer in your pocket as a weapon to defend yourself then you would have to answer as to why you had a hammer in your pocket in a public place in the first place. You would need a good excuse as there is no defence for carrying such an item with the intention of using it as a weapon, even if it was only intended to be used in self defence.

shite.....thank's for the advice. :yes:
I asume that if I was "mending my fence at the time they came to me" then it would be justified (strictly hypothetically speaking for my understanding).

Yes that helps very much. I'll stick to pen in my pocket.

[Wolf]

If you in fact used the hammer in your pocket as a weapon to defend yourself then you would have to answer as to why you had a hammer in your pocket in a public place in the first place. You would need a good excuse as there is no defence for carrying such an item with the intention of using it as a weapon, even if it was only intended to be used in self defence. I'm not suggesting that this was the case with you, just highlighting how things can be perceived in certain circumstances.
Someone once told me to keep a hand saw in the bedroom along with a few bits of shelving. The hand saw makes an effective weapon and people would think twice about trying to grab at it to take it off you and the defence line is that you had the saw in your bedroom as you had been putting up shelves and when the attacker entered you grabbed the nearest weapon to hand...

Of course, you go around dispensing that kind of advice and actually use it at any stage, the prosecution lawyer at your trial will drag onto the stand everyone to whom you have dispensed said "wisdom" and they can testify that you kept saw and timber in your room to furnish a weapon and a "reason". Your trial will start going badly for you from that point onward. Kinda like those in the States who advocated keeping a cheap firearm on hand to plant on anyone they shot when lethal force was not truly justified. Advocate it loudly enough and it will come up at your murder trial - ultimate irony would be that the guy really was armed when you shot him but all your acquaintances firmly believe you planted the gun...

If the attacker is unarmed you may not use a weapon even if he is three times your mass and an experienced street fighter. If he has a weapon you can use a similar weapon but you've then got to have a bloody good reason as to why you had a weapon on you. If you have firearms they must be stored disassembled under separate lock and key and the same applies when you're transporting them. The only chance you have of protecting yourself with a firearm is if you're attacked by an armed assailant while out hunting...
If you've got time and opporotunity to assemble and load your firearm you were not in immediate danger of your life and it could be argued that yu could have better used the time and opportunity to sneak out of your house and call the cops from the safety of your neighbour's house.

Face it, if you are going to kill someone in self defence, you'd better be prepared to kill them with your bare hands.

[spudchucka]

shite.....thank's for the advice. :yes:
I asume that if I was "mending my fence at the time they came to me" then it would be justified (strictly hypothetically speaking for my understanding).

Yes that helps very much. I'll stick to pen in my pocket.
If you were on your property and was mending a fence at the time then that is a very plausible excuse for possession of the hammer at that time, you weren't carrying it at that time with the intention of using it as a weapon.

It would be very much an issue if you were walking down the street, (in a public place), with the hammer in your possession and then used it as a weapon to defend yourself.

[Wolf]

Now, how do you convince the buggers to only attack you while you're fixing the fence? They'd have to be pretty dense - I'm certain I wouldn't wander 'round the place giving shit to random people who're holding hammers in their hands...

[spudchucka]

Face it, if you are going to kill someone in self defence, you'd better be prepared to kill them with your bare hands.
Firstly your intention can't be to kill them. If you form that intent you are guilty of murder. You intent can only be to stop them from doing whatever action it is that is harming you. If the only way open to you to stop the attacker is to use a weapon, then you use a weapon. If the attacker dies as a result of you using the weapon to halt their attack on you then you can't be found guilty of murder so long as the level of force used was reasonable in the circumstances.

Secondly if you are being thrashed by a giant to the point that you believe your life is in danger you would be justified in using a weapon to defend yourself even if the attacker was using their bare hands. If you are being strangled by somebody twice your size are you going to just choke to death whishing you were big enough to defend yourself? Of course not, you will use whatever means is available to you to stop the attack.

[Wolf]

Firstly your intention can't be to kill them. If you form that intent you are guilty of murder. You intent can only be to stop them from doing whatever action it is that is harming you. If the only way open to you to stop the attacker is to use a weapon, then you use a weapon. If the attacker dies as a result of you using the weapon to halt their attack on you then you can't be found guilty of murder so long as the level of force used was reasonable in the circumstances.

Secondly if you are being thrashed by a giant to the point that you believe your life is in danger you would be justified in using a weapon to defend yourself even if the attacker was using their bare hands. If you are being strangled by somebody twice your size are you going to just choke to death whishing you were big enough to defend yourself? Of course not, you will use whatever means is available to you to stop the attack.
Thanks for that. I was always of the understanding that "reasonable force" meant no weapons if you're being attacked by an unarmed person.

[Skyryder]

You're either going to fight back or you're not.



There are other places that are effective that do not kill. Most fights I've won by talking the other guy out of it. If the prick wants to rock'nroll go punch him in the balls. Even if you miss his instinctive reaction is to back off. But if you don't have the attitude..............run. No one gets hurt that way.

Skyryder

[idb]

There are other places that are effective that do not kill. Most fights I've won by talking the other guy out of it. If the prick wants to rock'nroll go punch him in the balls. Even if you miss his instinctive reaction is to back off. But if you don't have the attitude..............run. No one gets hurt that way.

Skyryder
I'm not skilled enough to know what can kill or can't.
If it ever got to the point where I had to stand and fight (I've never been in a situation that I haven't been able to talk my out of - except once when I legged it) I'd be thrashing about in all directions with any resources at hand - stuff the consequences to the other party.

[geoffm]

Secondly if you are being thrashed by a giant to the point that you believe your life is in danger you would be justified in using a weapon to defend yourself even if the attacker was using their bare hands. If you are being strangled by somebody twice your size are you going to just choke to death whishing you were big enough to defend yourself? Of course not, you will use whatever means is available to you to stop the attack.

Or moer succinctly "it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6..."
How things play out in the courtroom a year later (after you have been locked up with Bubba for that time as well) is a whole different situation than at 3am in the morning. Self defence is effectively illegal in NZ, simply due to the cost of defence makes it unfeasible.
G

[Bulldog]

I've done various training, boxing, kung fu etc, the best training though is full contact sparring. You have to have felt a punch or strike to really be prepared and be able to avoid / counter.

Everyone should get into self defense classes of some sort if only to be prepared.

Good self defense classes will teach you a direct approach rather than forms and the likes like in kung fu. Remember the key areas, eyes, groin, throat, knees (oh the knees hurt good).

Most dickheads come in with haymakers always swinging for the head....sad. You can generally always block them by holding your arms up close to your face, then quickly counter while they're in between punches and or kick them down low while they're punching (keep your guard up). It will become simple in your head if you train so get into a class and next time it happens you'll fuck over the first guy with a throat punch and kick the next guy's nuts. Then you can bail while they recover.....Don't hang around to get some more beats in cause you'll just get fired up and wreck yourself.

I fucken hate low life pricks like that. We should set a trap. :whistle:

[Marmoot]

I fucken hate low life pricks like that. We should set a trap. :whistle:

yea. In where I came from they normally get carried away by firefighters instead of cops. They often get burnt alive when caught by mob. That's how sick the society was at low-lifes. But, hey, we never heard the cops complained either :killingme

(sad that it's funny but true)

[DogBreath]

I'll fight back if I have to. I think you're missing the point.
I'm saying that I won't deliver the kind of attack "NhuanH" pointed out. i.e. upwards driving palm heel to base of nose very effective
nor would I go for his ripping out the throat via a C-Grip option.
These both seemed abit extreme to me!
Sorry fella, while not advocating violence at all, if you are gonna resist at all its all or nothing, half pie will leave you bloodied and broken. If you can hit, then hit and run, if you can't then just run, failing that you have to take it and kiss the $80 goodbye.
Like someone said earlier, these guys are feral, so trying to take on two on your own is seriously uphill.
If you have never hit anyone, this is no time to learn.
If you have fear going out, if dark corners make you nervous, the bastards have won.
If you have a few bucks spare, go to a self defence course.
My son fronted a couple of dicks on the way home recently, the shithead had his finger pointing in his jacket and he said he had a gun, hand over the cash...
Young fella figured this dickheads hand was busy, so whacked him in the teeth and ran like fuck. Seemed to work, they didn't catch him. LOL
(Err, sorry about the hjack...)

[Dafe]

Sorry fella, while not advocating violence at all, if you are gonna resist at all its all or nothing, half pie will leave you bloodied and broken. If you can hit, then hit and run, if you can't then just run, failing that you have to take it and kiss the $80 goodbye.
Like someone said earlier, these guys are feral, so trying to take on two on your own is seriously uphill.
If you have never hit anyone, this is no time to learn.
If you have fear going out, if dark corners make you nervous, the bastards have won.
If you have a few bucks spare, go to a self defence course.
My son fronted a couple of dicks on the way home recently, the shithead had his finger pointing in his jacket and he said he had a gun, hand over the cash...
Young fella figured this dickheads hand was busy, so whacked him in the teeth and ran like fuck. Seemed to work, they didn't catch him. LOL
(Err, sorry about the hjack...)

Apology Accepted!

Did you read my post about my incident in Porirua last week?
I didn't do a runner..... I stood my ground, purely because I was curious as to what would occur.
In the end, the Mongrel Mob dude and I went our own way! Sometimes, standing up to aggressors gets you a long way dude! They're normally quite cowardice, hence why they attack in numbers.

[Marmoot]

Sorry to hear about it man....

we have had heaps of aggravated robberies (muggings) in town lately...there has been a huge leap in them.

Often shitheads will cruise in from out south; agg robb someone; and get straight back on the motorway south. By the time we get there with our dwindling resources they are often gone.

In saying that i have caught my fair share of them in my time.

Hope you get well soon, being robbed is a horrible feeling :(

yeah Dy, understandable.
I got burgled on 3rd. Then yesterday there was an old battered Holden with 4 teenagers that I have never seen in this neighbourhood (the guys and the car) just got in front of my place when I was getting home. Stared at me and my house for a few seconds. Then I got out of my car and they started getting out too. Sensing something was wrong then I kindly got into my car again and restarted it to stroll around the block and stop by before the corner. Peeked around the corner and saw the car went away.

Definitely something was wrong. (and that was why I got out of my car carrying a hammer)

[spudchucka]

Thanks for that. I was always of the understanding that "reasonable force" meant no weapons if you're being attacked by an unarmed person.What is reasonable is dependant on the circumstances as they are and the circumstances as the person belives them to be. As I said before, if you are getting strangled to death by a giant and you can't defend yourself without using a weapon of some sort, then so be it, the use of a weapon is definately reasonable in the circumstances.

Always remember the words, "its better to be tried by twelve than carried by six"!

[spudchucka]

Self defence is effectively illegal in NZ, simply due to the cost of defence makes it unfeasible.
G
Totally wrong I'm afraid.

[Lou Girardin]

Self defence is effectively illegal in NZ, simply due to the cost of defence makes it unfeasible.
G

If not illegal, then it's often unwise. Defending themselves has cost people thier homes, livelyhoods etc.
And it all comes down to a lack of courage by the Police prosecutors who prefer to let the courts decide. Unless, of course, you're a Labour politician.

[Wellyman]

Bummer dude. that sucks, hope your ok. Have you reported it to the coppers?
WM

[Wolf]

Always remember the words, "its better to be tried by twelve than carried by six"!
Dunno if there'd be a difficulty finding enough friends to be carried by six or if there'd be a war between all the people wanting to carry the coffin just to be sure I was finally dead. :killingme

Had an incident with a "tough guy" neighbour once over his dog coming onto my property and attacking the rabbit cage. He got aggro and yelled (audible to the whole street) "you'd better watch it or you'll be fucking sorry" in a threatening tone. Instead of being intimidated, I advanced and yelled, equally clearly, "Are you threatening me?"

He very clearly uttered "I don't threaten people" (I suspect for the benefit of all the rubber-neckers) and legged it back over the road.

It's so nice when the aggro bastards have sufficient intellect to know that if they persist in publically theratening someone they are likely to have the cops called and a complaint laid for threatening physical violence.

[shcabbeh]

Bummer dude. that sucks, hope your ok. Have you reported it to the coppers?
WM

Yeah, I walked down to the station on Queen Street.