NZ track gets FIM approval.

[onearmedbandit]

In todays SST (how come this is the only media outlet that carries info regarding this development??) it is reported that Denis Someone, official track inspecter for the FIM, has spent 2 days checking out Taupo's new track development and given it the thumbs up. There is hope for a MotoGP round to be held here in 2007.

Fuck I hope this goes ahead. Despite all the naysayers here saying it wont/couldn't/can't happen here there is a team of dedicated people working very hard to prove you wrong. A New Zealand round of the MotoGP would be fucking unreal. As soon as it's comfirmed I'll be booking the time off work.

[TwoSeven]

hopefully they put some elevations in the track to make it interesting - and did the chap give it a thumbs up for cars or for bikes ?

[onearmedbandit]

TwoSeven - FIM, not FIA.

[Highlander]

As soon as it's comfirmed I'll be booking the time off work.


Mee tooo. Couldn't keep me away from somint like that.

[Toast]

That would be the booomb!! I'm not being too hopeful, but if it happens, nothing's gonna stop me from being there.

[Highlander]

Honda Rider's Club mag said they had input to track design from Aaron Slight in the hope of attracting Moto GP / Superbikes when done.

[trumpy]

The inspector was Mr Claude Danis. As well as being FIM's track inspector he is also a safety officer for both MotoGP and World Superbikes and is President of the FIM Road Racing Commission and yes, Aaron Slight was also at the inspection and to my knowledge has had considerable input into the circuit from a bike racing perspective.
A round of the MotoGP would be huge not only for Taupo but for the whole country. It is not unusual for European MotoGP rounds to attract 110,000 to 120,000 spectators with a worldwide viewing audience of 120 to 150 million! Big stuff indeed. My understanding is that we are in with a serious chance, bearing in mind there are a number of other tracks around the world that would like to host a round as well.

[onearmedbandit]

From what I've heard the FIM is very interested in making the series a true World Championship even if it means dropping some of the Euro rounds to include more races in our neck of the woods. Also to those who may say that the attendence numbers here will not be enough, I think it was Istanbul this year that had only 15,000-20,000 spectators.

[TwoSeven]

TwoSeven - FIM, not FIA.

Yes, I know who the chap is :)

My question is who has the vested interest (ie. who funded the track) - car racers or bike racers.

Put it another way, is it a purpose built bike track like brands which can run cars, or is it a car track that can also run bikes. It makes a difference to the quality of the racing :)

[James Deuce]

From what I've heard the FIM is very interested in making the series a true World Championship even if it means dropping some of the Euro rounds to include more races in our neck of the woods. Also to those who may say that the attendence numbers here will not be enough, I think it was Istanbul this year that had only 15,000-20,000 spectators.

Yep but you can drive to Instanbul from anywhere in the Eurasian/African/Indian continents and subcontinent, plus Turkey's economy makes ours look like a coffee ground on a white banquet table cloth. It will cost a fortune to fly to NZ, and for what? No sponsorship coverage except for a 3 minute spot on the news, and the already converted to mortorcycle racing at the track.

Plus we don't like fag sponsorship, even though this is dying out, and the locals WILL complain about the noise.

If we got 15,000-20,000 physical bodies to turn up I would be astounded. 5000 is a HUUUUUUGE turn out for a motor sport event in NZ. Taupo will need covered stands, cafes, bars, proper parking, and multiple access roads.

I'd love to get Superbikes or MotoGP here though. That would be bloody brillliant.

[Highlander]

Yes it would make a difference if the track was designed for cars or bikes, but would be well worth going to watch racers of that calibre either way.

[pritch]

If we got 15,000-20,000 physical bodies to turn up I would be astounded. 5000 is a HUUUUUUGE turn out for a motor sport event in NZ. Taupo will need covered stands, cafes, bars, proper parking, and multiple access roads.


These days a huuuuuuge attendance may be 5000, but I do seem to recall much bigger numbers waaaay back when we had multiple world champions racing here.

OK, that was car racing but as long as TV coverage keeps happening so that people are aware of who's who it could all happen again. I would travel a long way further than Taupo to see a Moto GP (have recently been considering Phillip Island)

My understanding is that the track is to have undulations in the new section and there is to be provision for corporate hospitality. They do seem to be going the whole nine yards with this

[onearmedbandit]

I think you'd find if it was marketed properly Jim2 an easy 15,000-20,000 people would turn up. Think about, the circus of MotoGP coming to town. People who are not even interested in motorcycling will turn up just to be 'there', guys who ride all sorts of bikes will be there, people who have even a passing interst in bikes will be there, NZ 'celebrities' will be there, I dear say KB will be dead that weekend except from posting on pda's from the event and at 4 in the morning when you make it back your accomadation pissed and log on to talk drunken shit. This would not be a poorly marketed event the likes of which we have over due to budget restraints, it would also be not only a 'motorcycle race'. This would be a weekend out for all, the worlds sporting media on our doorstep and THE best motorcylists in the world sitting on our sofa watching our tv.

Sure it won't be cheap to host, sure it wont be as big or as profitable as any race anywhere else, sure the locals will complain, sure the roads will be gridlocked, sure the accomadation and food will be overpriced, but by sure will it be the biggest, most fuck-off motorsport event this country has ever seen.

[FROSTY]

I Was just talking to Taupo car club.
The track is intended to be multifunction.
1)DRAG STRIP
2)2x club circuits able to be run simutanously -1 being the old track 1 being the new track
3) full international length curcuit for national or international level racing
5)motorsport focussed industrial area alongside the new circuit.

There will be some permanant stands but facilities to allow for temporrary stands.
Ripple strips are to be suitable for open wheel race cars so Should be smooth
The circuit does have some interesting elevation changes
Sand traps to international standard are being used

[Matt Bleck]

OAB is right this will be the biggest motoring event in NZ since..... well buggered if I know... but it's along time.

All we can do is hope and pray that Rossi stays in the GP long enough for me to see him in the flesh!!

Amen, Praise the Lord, Hallejuah!!

[FROSTY]

Nahh speedie all it really means is finally we will be able to have lotsa tracks available.
I'll be wanting to use hampton downs simply because its not an overnighter
Ohh and the real bonus
Being able to :motu: :bye: :shake: to franklin jockey club and leave the goat track forever

[James Deuce]

OAB (and others), I know what you're saying, but you're not taking into account the relative novelty of the motor car 40-50 years ago. That is how long ago it was that motor racing had a general public acceptance. People were also a great deal less risk averse, and our society hadn't been feminised yet.

I think interest will be restricted to petrol heads of the high brow variety and motorcyclists. The internal combustion powered vehicle and its supporters are on the negative side of the ledger in the general public acceptance stakes. How else can you explain people raving about a Toyota Prius?

I wouldn't be surprised to see 15,000 Aussies there. I would be surprised to see more then 5000 Kiwis there.

Because we are passionate about motorcycling we often fail to realise that the vast majority of the population see them as a queue jumping menance, or don't care at all. A motorcycle race, even a large International event will present connotative imagery that overwhelms the reality - the reality being a professional sport that makes more money at one event than the Super 12 has in it's entire existence. The public perception is stil, STILL brawling disgruntled bikers who like to smash stuff. Why would I put my family at risk at a motorcycle race? Damn animals.

Cars never had that imagery, and people of all shapes and sizes can identify with a car. That is why the International meetings of the '60s, supported by the success of the Bruce and Denny show engendered such huge support. A car now though, is a polluting, speeding menance. Despite the fact that it takes two whole cycles of Auckland's rush hour traffic to produce the same emmissions as a single early '70s Chrysler Valiant.

Now say that you'd built an International rugby stadium in Taupo and you'd get 50,000 for provincial games. I'd like to say it was different, but you can market like hell, and only the already converted will notice. The only way you'll get a big crowd is to schedule a Sth Africa vs NZ Rugby Union test match on the Infield between the 250 race and the Main event.

[TwoSeven]

The circuit does have some interesting elevation changes


Woot.

A down hill right with off camber would be real nice :)

[cowpoos]

How will this affect Hampton Downs? I mean TWO international circuits a few hours apart... What The..?

are you complaining robomedic ?

[denill]

Some MotoGP attendance info:

Over two million spectators watched the 17 MotoGP Grands Prix during the 2005 season, producing a record breaking average attendance of just under 120,000 spectators at each event.

The biggest weekend attendance of the season was at the opening round at Jerez in Spain with 237,232 fans shaking off the winter blues. Jerez also produced the biggest race day crowd of 127,089 - get booking for next year before it's too late.

Next most popular was last weekend's Valencia Grand Prix - which pulled in a total trackside audience of 222,312 and race day attendance of 124,520 - while the German Grand Prix joined the two Spanish venues at topping the 200,000 mark. The Sachsenring pulled in 216,417 over the weekend, with 95,364 fans on race day.

Of the new events, the return of the US GP at Laguna Seca was an overwhelming success with a total of 153,653 fans attending the event - and a consistent three-day split of 40,520 fans on Friday, 55,201 on Saturday and 57,932 on Sunday. Tickets for Saturday and Sunday were sold out in advance.

By contrast, the inaugural Chinese Grand Prix was attended by a total of 32,507 - with the race day crowd of 25,438 not being helped by heavy rain - while the inaugural Turkish Grand Prix attracted 21,420, of which 14,531 were present on race day.

However, the 'wooden spoon' award for lowest spectator attendance unsurprisingly again goes to Qatar, which improved on its 5,089 total attendance figure of 2004 by just 458 this year. In all, 402 spectators were present on Friday, 1,893 on Saturday and 3,251 on race day.

In terms of the three wet races - Estoril, Shanghai and Donington Park - it was the British fans that proved the most resilient, with 75,661 fans braving the appalling race day rain to watch Valentino Rossi take victory. Despite the weather, the race day crowd was just 6,430 down on last year.

[denill]

If Taupo was located in Spain it's MotoGP future would be assured......

Can't remember how many million dollars the Victorian state govt fronts up for motorcycle sport in PI. Someone may know?? But it has been stated that without that backing MotoGP would NOT be raced at PI..................

Don't expect Helen to match it though - so don't hold your breath for MotoGP to come to Taupo or Hampton Downs!!!!!!!!!!

[chris]

What is SST?

[chris]

Honda Rider's Club mag said they had input to track design from Aaron Slight in the hope of attracting Moto GP / Superbikes when done.
Can you post the quote?

[chris]

Aaron Slight was also at the inspection and to my knowledge has had considerable input into the circuit from a bike racing perspective..What was your source? We haven't heard anything along these lines.


My understanding is that we are in with a serious chance, bearing in mind there are a number of other tracks around the world that would like to host a round as well.There's the problem.

[denill]

What is SST?
Is it 'Sunday Star Times' ??

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah, Sunday Star Times.

[Pixie]

Plus we don't like fag sponsorship, even though this is dying out, and the locals WILL complain about the noise.

The only 'locals' that will complain about the noise will be Dorklanders with holiday homes in Taupo

[James Deuce]

The only 'locals' that will complain about the noise will be Dorklanders with holiday homes in Taupo

Exactly.

Nice reading between the lines.

But once again it will be a vocal, rich, minority with the potential to ruin a perfectly good idea.

[denill]

Some Phillip Island MotoGP weekend crowd attendance figures:
2001 - 40.960
2002 - 42.536
2003 - 87.154
2004 - 87.332
2005 - 88,961
Excuse for being cynical when I say NZ will not get anything like that attendance for as JIM2 wrote - MotoGP aint Rugby!!!!!!!!!!!!

[onearmedbandit]

Well I'm going to live ignorant of all the politics, costing, govt support issues and hope and hope that we will some day see the likes of a MotoGP event here. At least there is someone trying to acheive this.

[Pixie]

Because we are passionate about motorcycling we often fail to realise that the vast majority of the population see them as a queue jumping menance, or don't care at all. A motorcycle race, even a large International event will present connotative imagery that overwhelms the reality - the reality being a professional sport that makes more money at one event than the Super 12 has in it's entire existence. The public perception is stil, STILL brawling disgruntled bikers who like to smash stuff. Why would I put my family at risk at a motorcycle race? Damn animals.


The way to get Joe Dullard interested in motorcycle racing is to tell them that the hump in racers leathers is an oval ball, and the object of the race is to get it over the goal line on the start finish straight.
This they will understand

[denill]

Anyone who has reading this thread and who has not been to Phillip Island - get yourself there ASAP...........

On my first visit I was gobsmacked and came away convinced that it is far tooo big for NZ to do.

BUT - I will be VERY pleased to be proved wrong.........

[onearmedbandit]

WTF has rugby got to do with this? No really, forget about rugby for a minute. I realise that the game is no doubt our biggest spectator-draw sport, but that's because NZ has NEVER seen anything along the lines of a modern day MotoGP event. This is not just a motorcycle race at Puk or Ruapuna featuring riders that most people have never heard of before, but an internationally promoted world event backed by mega dollars. This aint no sunday arvo getting a can of coke and a hotdog and sitting on the grass watching a few bikes race past listening to a dying PA system overflowing with feedback. This is the MotoGP circus. To think only 5000 people would turn up is ridiculous. IMHO anyway.

Does anyone know the stats or know how to get hold of them easily regarding how many people tuned into Prime to watch the MotoGP? Remember this wasn't televised on TV3 or TVNZ with big fanfare and ceremony, but on little old Prime with average reception and almost no advertising, just word of mouth.

I think too many people are looking at why this won't happen, and with that attitude if it spreads it won't happen. No-one ever wins in life by convincing themselves that they can't do something. So talk about it to you workmates, your drinking mates, your family and friends. Build up the enthusiasm regarding what an amazing event this could be.

[Bartman10]

What's more the vic club are holding thier first round of next year's winter series there!

Now you too can have a go on the new full length international circuit for less than $100! Probably less than the price of admission to the GP. Imagine that.

[Racey Rider]

Well I'm going to live ignorant of all the politics, costing, govt support issues and hope and hope that we will some day see the likes of a MotoGP event here. At least there is someone trying to acheive this.
We'll get SpeedMedic & Frosty on the job. :yes: "If you build it, they will come"
who said that?!


How will this affect Hampton Downs? I mean TWO international circuits a few hours apart... What The..?

They'll be able to use HD to warm up the bikes before poping down to Taupo for the race.

Lets hope for a price war for track test days! :spudbooge 'How low can you go!'

[chris]

WTF has rugby got to do with this? No really, forget about rugby for a minute. I realise that the game is no doubt our biggest spectator-draw sport, but that's because NZ has NEVER seen anything along the lines of a modern day MotoGP event. This is not just a motorcycle race at Puk or Ruapuna featuring riders that most people have never heard of before, but an internationally promoted world event backed by mega dollars. This aint no sunday arvo getting a can of coke and a hotdog and sitting on the grass watching a few bikes race past listening to a dying PA system overflowing with feedback. This is the MotoGP circus. To think only 5000 people would turn up is ridiculous. IMHO anyway.

Does anyone know the stats or know how to get hold of them easily regarding how many people tuned into Prime to watch the MotoGP? Remember this wasn't televised on TV3 or TVNZ with big fanfare and ceremony, but on little old Prime with average reception and almost no advertising, just word of mouth.

I think too many people are looking at why this won't happen, and with that attitude if it spreads it won't happen. No-one ever wins in life by convincing themselves that they can't do something. So talk about it to you workmates, your drinking mates, your family and friends. Build up the enthusiasm regarding what an amazing event this could be.
As you could imagine, we would be very happy if MotoGP came to NZ. But we have to be realistic. KR staff members have been to MotoGP rounds the world over and have a pretty good idea about the sort of infrastructure needed to put on a MotoGP round.

I am still interested to know where some posters are getting their information.....

[onearmedbandit]

Chris I know we have to be realistic, but surely as someone is putting in the effort we all need to be behind them in support, not telling them it can't be done. What if Sir Ed Hillary listened to those that said climbing Everest was impossible, especially by a Kiwi?

[chris]

Chris I know we have to be realistic, but surely as someone is putting in the effort we all need to be behind them in support, not telling them it can't be done. What if Sir Ed Hillary listened to those that said climbing Everest was impossible, especially by a Kiwi?We/I/Kiwi Rider are not saying it can't be done. I think you may well be surprised by how much cash the circuit owners would have to put up to get a round. They do have to pay you know.

I would be grateful if Trumpy and Highlander could tell me where they got there info from as even our sources can't confirm some of what they have posted. I also think Slighty might be a bit surprised.....

[chris]

Be bloody good if it did happen though.

[onearmedbandit]

Chris while I obviously don't know the full extent of the costs, I do realise that it would not be cheap to host. This is not our concern, nor is accommodation, traffic problems, upset locals, etc. What is our concern is as a group of motorcyclists we should be seen to be supporting this undertaking as best as possible. Yes I realise the chances of this event coming here are slim if not almost impossible, but as long as someone is working at making it possible I'll be keeping my fingers crossed.

[onearmedbandit]

We/I/Kiwi Rider are not saying it can't be done. I think you may well be surprised by how much cash the circuit owners would have to put up to get a round. They do have to pay you know.

I would be grateful if Trumpy and Highlander could tell me where they got there info from as even our sources can't confirm some of what they have posted. I also think Slighty might be a bit surprised.....

Chris, just found this link-

Who is the guy looking over the FIM officials shoulder? Can't quite make him out... (http://www.tauporacetrack.co.nz/news.htm)

[clint640]

MotoGP may be a long shot but I can tell ya the track is shaping up to be an awesome facility, I ride past quite often, there are definitely some elevation changes in there & the 2 track layout will be great for all the clubs.
Noise is not going to be much of a problem as the developers have bought the few surrounding properties that were zoned residential & there is a good buffer zone between the track & town.

Cheers
Clint

[TwoSeven]

My view is that it isnt simple to host an international event such as MotoGP and its not simply enought to just satisfy some minor technical rules and hope that everyone will suddenly turn up.

Roughly speaking from numbers i've heard off and on, it costs about $20m to build a track to the appropriate cross standards (each type of event hosted will have its own special requirements). Then you have to develop a media centre, team centers (including pits and hospitality) and the like. Barhain - the latest and most expensive circuit spent about us$150m for theirs just to host F1. NZ would be looking closer to about $40-60m for a full international circuit. Philip island would probably be the closed usable model. I suspect maybe $4-10m would be an initial development sum, just to get the circuit up to a minimum usable standard.

It it possible, yes - its been done in NZ before - americas cup would be the classic. Lets face it - boat racing isnt exactly a most popular sport here - but it was when it was promoted (look at all the tourists that turned up), and the overseas television rights.

Once you have built the circuit (and that would include bus/train/transport facilities as well), you also have to figure out how much it will cost just to maintain the place - after all, its still got to be productive after the event. So any commercial circuit would probably need to host the V8s, A1GP, SBK and any other major race sport they can get their hands on.

Sponsers - most circuits around the world are heavily sponsered - think of it like owning a race bike. You dont actually pay for it yourself, the sponsers by promotional space and you use the money/goods provided to run the bike. Ditto with circuits - who is the fuel sponser, tires, security, medical, airlines - how will their sponsership be presented, how are you going to measure the results (will they get value for money) - can you provide enough events at the circuit to ensure promo coverage.

You cant just have one circuit either. You have to have many, drag, mini-moto, dirt, car, speedway etc. And you have to have multi-event capability (thats where car racing might be on one track with speedway on at another). I think having a multi-track (a big track that can be split) is a good idea, it means you can have bike opendays and car open days at the same time. Getting the local cart folks and mini-moto folks in as well every weekend also brings in dollars. So you have to provide for all the facilities they require. They wont come if they have to pay for infrastructure development themselves.

Once you have done all that - you've still actually got to bid and pay for the rights to host the event. I'm sure purchasing a deal for hosting a few years worth of MotoGP isnt going to be cheap and there are only a limited number of races each year which means you have to compete against others. But again, its likely to be an other peoples money job too.

I wouldnt under-estimate the capability of NZ to achieve something like that, at the end of the day a good business plan and foreign investor can often do wonders.

[Motu]

What's our biggest bike meeting - Paeroa? Close to Auckland and in summer,next would be the Classic Festival held over 2 days.How many turn up to those meetings? OK,that's the best we can do.....will MotoGP draw much more? I doubt it.Personaly much as I'd love to go,I don't think I would - it's a long way for a day trip,I really,really hate big crowds and no way will I sit in a queue for ANYTHING.I'd rather go for a ride and come home and watch it on TV.....and if it's on SKY I won't even do that.

[onearmedbandit]

Exactly TwoSeven, and I'm sure every point you raise, and more, have been touched on by the promoters, developers, local govt, etc. Oh well, only time will tell aye.

[Nutter34]

"If you build it, they will come"
who said that?!

Kevin Costner, Field of Dreams..... Still applicable, aint it....

[cowpoos]

We'll get SpeedMedic & Frosty on the job. :yes: "If you build it, they will come"
who said that?!





jim morrison lookalike....waynes world...

[chris]

Chris, just found this link-

Who is the guy looking over the FIM officials shoulder? Can't quite make him out... (http://www.tauporacetrack.co.nz/news.htm)
We were at the circuit towards the end of their visit. I think you will find that Aaron has had no input into the track design (so we have been told) and was there as a guest of the FIM. The FIM have only said that the new track 'has the potential to become certified for top motorcycle events'. We await the day NZ gets a MotoGP round with anticipation. Just don't think you should get your hopes up though. Sending press releases to the motorcycle press would be a start......

[pritch]

Oh well, only time will tell aye.

Without meaning to pick on anyone in particular..

Is it possible that what is meant here by "aye" is in fact "eh"
(rhymes with the letter a)?

According to the Oxford Concise Dictionary " eh int. (colloq.) expr. of inquiry or surprise, or inviting assent, or asking for something to be repeated".

Unless you are somebody like Long John Silver we shouldn't be typing aye as in "Aye aye Capn." If, of course, you have a peg leg and a parrot on your shoulder please pardon my mistake. :-)

[BM-GS]

A few points missed out so far:

All the European countries have a couple of riders competing in the rounds. How many Kiwis are racing in MotoGP? There are more than a few in the teams, but no riders that sprin to mind. Even if there was one...?

How big's the NZ bike market? Not a patch on most Euro countries where every 16-year-old has a moped to hoon about the city streets on. Bikes are in their culture - not sure most would say the same here.

The fact that the FIM say the tracks OK just gets the track on the list of possibles. Then you go into the hat of who's going to pay most for the privilege. Seeing that there's no round in an adjacent country (or adjacent country, for that matter) it starts to look like an NZ round is heading for the Too-Hard basket. Not to say it can't happen, but it'll be harder to get one here than in Europe.

I'm hoping it happens, though. I've been to a few GPs & SBK in the UK before. it's awesome - especially if it doesn't piss with rain. And if the entry price isn't stupid.

[TwoSeven]

I just miss not being able to throw the tent on the back of the bike and motor up to an event, get pissed and watch some mad nutters trying to blow up 40 gallon drums and generally destroy bikes in the campground all night :)

Closest bit of yahooary we have is PI :)

[onearmedbandit]

That's all I'm saying, that it may happen here. And wouldn't it be good. We could all get together and laugh over this. If it doesn't we will all forget it ever happened.

[onearmedbandit]

Without meaning to pick on anyone in particular..

Is it possible that what is meant here by "aye" is in fact "eh"
(rhymes with the letter a)?

According to the Oxford Concise Dictionary " eh int. (colloq.) expr. of inquiry or surprise, or inviting assent, or asking for something to be repeated".

Unless you are somebody like Long John Silver we shouldn't be typing aye as in "Aye aye Capn." If, of course, you have a peg leg and a parrot on your shoulder please pardon my mistake. :-)

I most sincerely apologise for my error, I shall now go sit in the corner......

[chris]

That's all I'm saying, that it may happen here. And wouldn't it be good.Absolutely.

[onearmedbandit]

Cool, maybe this could be the end of this discussion as it is just going in circles now. Time will tell *with a parrot on my shoulder and a peg leg* 'aye'.

[Oscar]

In todays SST (how come this is the only media outlet that carries info regarding this development??) it is reported that Denis Someone, official track inspecter for the FIM, has spent 2 days checking out Taupo's new track development and given it the thumbs up. There is hope for a MotoGP round to be held here in 2007.

Fuck I hope this goes ahead. Despite all the naysayers here saying it wont/couldn't/can't happen here there is a team of dedicated people working very hard to prove you wrong. A New Zealand round of the MotoGP would be fucking unreal. As soon as it's comfirmed I'll be booking the time off work.

When in Melborne for the MotoGP in October I mentioned this to Mike Webb, ex NZ F2 Champ and now IRTA/MotoGP Technical Director. He said NZ had NO chance of being granted a MotoGP round for reasons that included 1. Money 2. The cluttered calender (i.e. there are too many rounds now - if we get a round, someone looses one). 3. Distance from anywhere. 4-99. Money

He said the inspection would help our chances of getting Superbike round though.

[denill]

That's all I'm saying, that it may happen here. And wouldn't it be good. We could all get together and laugh over this. If it doesn't we will all forget it ever happened.
Yep. I am sure that everyone on this thread is in agreement on that!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a laugh (and a beer) at NZ's MotoGP round....................