Cronulla Violence.

[Big Dave]

When i was 17 the 'sharpies' used to congregate in the Southern Sydney suburb of Hurstville. 'Sharps' were a mix or eastern Europeans and Middle Eastern guys that were displaced, poor and violent.

The blue singlet boys used to catch the train in from Campbelltown just to fight them. It all took place in the car park across the road from the Civic Centre Dance where I used to go and see bands like Cold Chisel, Oils, Mi Sex, Split Enz and heaps of others - pretty much every Saturday night.

You just walked past and declined when one of them said 'he wanted to know yhou' and it was relatively cool, maybe you'd get a cigarette butt flicked at you, but although i was challenged a few times - it never bothered me - No thanks mate and walked on. I was there for the chics. Some of the best racial slurs i've ever heard were from the Cambelltown lads at full street corner volume however.

Looks to me like the Cronulla thing is a continuation of shit that's been going on for 30 years or more. Now they call 'em called 'Lebs' and it's happened in broad daylight - and it's all fed by the camcorder revolution and ensuing media scrum. I fear not for the fabric of society.

Our police uniforms have go pretty fly while i've been away.

[Motu]

Is this a caption contest?

''What do ya reckon Bruce....we got enough here for a couple of pies?''

[Big Dave]

Is this a caption contest?

''What do ya reckon Bruce....we got enough here for a couple of pies?''

Not bad.

'When i said i wanted to clean up this town....'

[StoneChucker]

But the Prime Minister John Howard said "there are no racial issues in Australia". He wouldn't lie now, would he?

That is some freaky shit. Breaking News on BBC just said there are 60 car loads of "lebs" (quote from angry aussie hoodlum) congregating at some mosque. It's heating up, and I reckon the worst is yet to come!

I reckon we made the right choice to immigrate here, rather than Aus where we once wanted to go.

[scumdog]

Heard a Lebanese guy on the radio say that this problem goes right back to Bob hawke when he desperately needed votes, Hawke made a thing of telling recent immigrants they should be proud to keep their old identity in an attempt to score votes from them.

The result is that now nobody integrates, no such thing as a "New Australian" any more.

And now these separate ethnic types seem to want to make their 'mark'.

[Big Dave]

But the Prime Minister John Howard said "there are no racial issues in Australia". He wouldn't lie now, would he?


No - he's right - there are racists and extremists on either side of the line, but in society in general I believe that the VAST majority are happily multicultural.

We'd just like the fucker to say 'SORRY' and move on from that one.

[Virago]

.....there are racists and extremists on either side of the line.....
Your white, so you can't say that - it's racist!:lol:

[Big Dave]

Your white, so you can't say that - it's racist!:lol:

What do they try and call it - 'inverse racism'.
I believe its the same horse - different colour.

[Fart]

This is getting very close to home. Just a hope over the water.

One great thing about Auckland is that we dont really have a large enough minority group to have separate ethnic group areas. All ethnic groups in Auckland mixes and we get a more harmonious society, for now.

[StoneChucker]

No - he's right - there are racists and extremists on either side of the line, but in society in general I believe that the VAST majority are happily multicultural.

We'd just like the fucker to say 'SORRY' and move on from that one.
I wholehartedly agree, I was just referring to those select few who think it good "weekend fun" to go "Leb Bashing". I think most develloped countries are multicultural, or well on their way to becoming so anyway. With each generation I believe it should get better.

What dya think?

[Big Dave]

What dya think?

I think it's a nice morning for a ride.

[Lias]

Sitting listening to a streamed police scanner in the area, and some "persons of middle eastern descent"(hereafter referred to as lebs for brevity) in balaclavas just did an armed holdup, one armed with a pistol the other a crowbar. Another report of two lebs in a red and white holden ute acting suspiciously near a ferry.

Talking to one of my maori collegaues here, and his brother was involved with the leb bashing on the weekend, cos even the maori's in sydney hate the lebs :-P

With freedom airs recent 10th birthday celebrations, we were thinking that they need a new promotion, offering a "Leb bashing getaway".. discount airfares to Sydney, Saturday night accomodation, and a free baseball bat on arrival in Sydney :-)

[judgeshock]

I think it's unacceptable behaviour and talking about discount get aways is not even funny:spudgrr:
There is always going to be minoritys in every culture of people causing trouble, that doesn't give you a right to take up arms and deal with these people yourself.

[Lou Girardin]

When you've got some highly visible ethnic groups carrying out some appalling gang rapes, random acts of retaliation for supposed insults, an attack on a Police station with semi-auto weapons, and now serious intimidation on the beach at Cronulla, what other reaction do people expect?

[judgeshock]

common sense, don't get me wrong if I was being attacked I would defend myself and my family too.
I hear that some of this violence is going on, however if the violence was really this bad i'm sure the army would have acted by now. I'm sure the police will be doing all they can to catch these bastards, if it's as lawless as it has been made out then sydney would be under a curfew and some pretty extreme conditions.
It doesn't take long before mob mentality takes over, little incidents turn into big incidents. The next thing you know is that all Lebanese for example are born rapists, not true.
Offering up comments such as cheap deals to bash Lebs only insites more hatred and discrimination.

[Lias]

Common sense would have never been to let all the fucking immigrants into the country in the first place.

This, and the recent immigrant riots in france, is the best proof we've had yet that mass immigration from foreign cultures is a terribly terribly bad thing.

[Lias]

It doesn't take long before mob menality takes over, little incidents turn into everyone whos is different is a rapist. Not true.
60 to 70 carloads of ARMED lebs were terrorizing the streets last night, multiple assaults on poice officers, shots fired, people being stabbed, another aussie chick having a hand stuck up her skirt and being told "We are going to rape you, you Aussie sluts.", attacking the local RSL and burning the flag flying on its roof, over 100 cars smashed with baseball bats and other weapons.

Thats not one or two incidents, thats organised terrorism from a bunch of filthy fucking immigrants who need to be deported. If this was happening in NZ, I'd be down there shooting the cunts myself.

[judgeshock]

Absolute bollocks, all it proves is that people aren't prepared to accept differences.
Again it comes back to minoritys in every race causing the problems, the media gets the band wagon rolling and people jump to conclusions based on one sided stories.
Look at skinheads for example,again a minority group causing problems. These bloody idiots are not representitive of kiwi culture at all, yet the media give them headline time on t.v.
An absolute crock of shit.
It looks like the above incidents come after a day of lebs being terrorised? I'm sure that you will find some of those fuckin dickheads on the news doing the same to the ethnic communities of Australia.
Get the bastards before it gets to this point.

[Lias]

Get the bastards before it gets to this point.
I concur.. Bash every fucking leb. I'm glad we could agree on something.

[Devil]

I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit...its the only way to be sure.

[Lias]

I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit...its the only way to be sure.
Game over man.. game over!

[judgeshock]

I concur.. Bash every fucking leb. I'm glad we could agree on something.

I'm glad you decided to take a small extract and make it fit your way of thinking.:stupid:

[sels1]

Common sense would have never been to let all the fucking immigrants into the country in the first place.

This, and the recent immigrant riots in france, is the best proof we've had yet that mass immigration from foreign cultures is a terribly terribly bad thing.


Now thats a well thought out comment....I am sure the original occupants of this land would agree with you....:Pokey:

[judgeshock]

:killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme
Now thats a well thought out comment....I am sure the original occupants of this land would agree with you....:Pokey:

[Lias]

Now thats a well thought out comment....I am sure the original occupants of this land would agree with you....:Pokey:
Are you trying to argue that the mass influx of british culture wasnt apalling bad for maori? I wouldnt go back and change it myself, but lets face it mass immigration of a radically foreign culture seriously stuffed up contemporary maori society

[Lias]

I'm glad you decided to take a small extract and make it fit your way of thinking.:stupid:
Well, you didnt specify who you were advocating "getting" :whistle:

[Lias]

Very interesting read at the SMH.

http://blogs.smh.com.au/thecontrarian/archives/2005/12/is_islam_the_pr.html


I do not embrace multiculturalism, as such, because I do not believe all cultures are compatible with non-discriminatory liberalism. I prefer a multi-ethnic, non-racial society, which has at its core a canon of values that include racial and gender equality.
Here he touches on something that I believe in with as much conviction as Zed believes in his god, that is that not all cultures are compatible, and that when certain cultures mix there will ALWAYS be conflict amongst them. It's one of the prime reasons why I believe immigration for people of "radically foreign" cultures should have severely restricted immigration opportunities in our society. To have an open door immigration policy is simply to invite disasterous culture clashes like this.

[Darryboy]

I haven't seen much media coverage but the coverage I have seen is shying away from the Lebanese gang problem; as if they're scared of appearing to justify the actions of the Aussie mobs.

On 'Close Up' last night a camera man got his teeth knocked out by the Lebanese gangs yet the guy who was hosting it only asked questions about the Aussies.

I am not in support of the beatings of innocent Middle Eastern people. Retaliation against gangs that have been terrorising people for years though...

[DMNTD]

Now thats a well thought out comment....I am sure the original occupants of this land would agree with you....:Pokey:
:killingme :killingme :killingme :lol: ...yet some may and do argue who that may of been:yes:
But anyway...

[Lias]

:killingme :killingme :killingme :lol: ...yet some may and do argue who that may of been:yes:
But anyway...
I'm in hindsight sure the moriori also wish they'd restrcited immigration :-P

[sAsLEX]

attacking the local RSL and burning the flag flying on its roof

a quick way to ensure every service man serving or not would want to remove the teeth from these Lebs!

[Lias]

a quick way to ensure every service man serving or not would want to remove the teeth from these Lebs!
Amen to that.

And to save double posting, here's a link to another VERY interesting article that
helps background this incident. (and predates all the current violence)

Link will have to suffice as its a pretty long read and the board spat the dummy when I tried to paste it.. (apparently its 38,950 characters and the limit is 10,000)

http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/archive_details_list.php?article_id=581

[Fart]

I think it's unacceptable behaviour and talking about discount get aways is not even funny:spudgrr:
There is always going to be minoritys in every culture of people causing trouble, that doesn't give you a right to take up arms and deal with these people yourself.

I agree with you.

Anyone making such comments are just plain sad.

[Fart]

Common sense would have never been to let all the fucking immigrants into the country in the first place.

This, and the recent immigrant riots in france, is the best proof we've had yet that mass immigration from foreign cultures is a terribly terribly bad thing.


Did the Maoris let your ancestors into NZ?

Dumbass.

[Lias]

Did the Maoris let your ancestors into NZ?
Dumbass.

Are you trying to argue that the mass influx of british culture wasnt apalling bad for maori? I wouldnt go back and change it myself, but lets face it mass immigration of a radically foreign culture seriously stuffed up contemporary maori society


Are you blind? Sels already raised this, if anything british immigration to NZ supports my point that massive immigration from a radically diffrent culture is a bad, bad thing. Maori society and culture has been massively affected by british immigration, and alot of that change has been negative.

[Indoo]

When you've got some highly visible ethnic groups carrying out some appalling gang rapes, random acts of retaliation for supposed insults, an attack on a Police station with semi-auto weapons, and now serious intimidation on the beach at Cronulla, what other reaction do people expect?

Many countries have problems just like that, hell even N.Z mirrors that to an extent. The difference is civilised societys don't form huge angry mobs and go around bashing and beating everyone who just looks foreign. That might be an expected reaction in the middle-ages, but most societys are above that now.

Mob violence displays the most disgusting side of human nature.

[Lou Girardin]

Many countries have problems just like that, hell even N.Z mirrors that to an extent. The difference is civilised societys don't form huge angry mobs and go around bashing and beating everyone who just looks foreign. .

Except US, UK, France, Germany, Holland, Australia, need I go on?

The difference between immigration in our parents day and now seems to be that immigrants used to be grateful to be there and tried to assimilate. Now they just seem to want to take the best pickings from their adopted home while maintaining a separation from the rest of the population.

[Indoo]

I don't see how you can possibly generalise all immigrants like that. Its also rather hypocritical to suggest that immigrants should just blend in and assimilate and thank us. Look at our own history, did we blend in and assimilate into Maori society?

The vast majority of immigrants are good productive members of society and I'm sure the majority of lebanese are in Australia are as well. Its a minority causing the trouble and a minority which need a bullet in the head, forming a vigilante mob however and attacking everyone of colour they see on the street is not an understandable or rational action. Its what ignorant racists do and thats all the aussies mobs are, absolutely no better than the Lebanese 'thugs' they claim to be reacting against.

[SixPackBack]

I don't see how you can possibly generalise all immigrants like that. Its also rather hypocritical to suggest that immigrants should just blend in and assimilate and thank us. Look at our own history, did we blend in and assimilate into Maori society?

The vast majority of immigrants are good productive members of society and I'm sure the majority of lebanese are in Australia are as well. Its a minority causing the trouble and a minority which need a bullet in the head, forming a vigilante mob however and attacking everyone of colour they see on the street is not an understandable or rational action. Its what ignorant racists do and thats all the aussies mobs are, absolutely no better than the Lebanese 'thugs' they claim to be reacting against.

Thats an acceptable compromise

[DMNTD]

...Look at our own history, did we blend in and assimilate into Maori society?

Fair point but do remember that that was 150+years ago when that ignorant oppressive behaviour was the norm. And no I am no condoning what happened either just putting it in context.
It is a pity that people can't be judged my their individual behaviour and not by someone elses that may be of similar race or creed.
There's dickheads everywhere...born and breed Kiwi's/Ozzies and imports too

[scumdog]

Remember the 'Bash a Pom' in the 70's in NZ?? Even had T-shirts with that slogan on them being worn around the place.
And the Poms did nothing like the Lebanese are doing yet good old NZ had to have a go at them *"they're taking our jobs" etc


-* I once said to a person who said that "get off your sorry arse and get a job yourself and stop whinging about the jobs being taken - you whinge like that and people will think YOU'RE a Pom" - damn near got my teeth punched out for that effort:doh:

[Lias]

Remember the 'Bash a Pom' in the 70's in NZ?? Even had T-shirts with that slogan on them being worn around the place.

I want one!

It will go with my shirt that says "ARREST BLACK BABIES before they become criminals"

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=332
costs an arm and a leg to import them from the US thou sadly their shipping costs are high as.. (cost me $65ish all up NZ for a long sleeve black T sent over)

[Motu]

Remember the 'Bash a Pom' in the 70's in NZ?? Even had T-shirts with that slogan on them being worn around the place.
And the Poms did nothing like the Lebanese are doing yet good old NZ had to have a go at them *"they're taking our jobs" etc


-* I once said to a person who said that "get off your sorry arse and get a job yourself and stop whinging about the jobs being taken - you whinge like that and people will think YOU'RE a Pom" - damn near got my teeth punched out for that effort:doh:

Well my brother did get his teeth punched out in the ''Punch a Pom a Day'' times in the 70s.He was in England and the locals knew where the Kiwis drank - he was attacked on his way home...got his teeth fixed on the National Health,and they made a mess of it.

[DMNTD]

...It will go with my shirt that says "ARREST BLACK BABIES before they become criminals"
...so was that a go at my kids?
Have petrol,can travel...

[SixPackBack]

I want one!

It will go with my shirt that says "ARREST BLACK BABIES before they become criminals"

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=332
costs an arm and a leg to import them from the US thou sadly their shipping costs are high as.. (cost me $65ish all up NZ for a long sleeve black T sent over)

Please tell me this is a pisstake

[Waylander]

Please tell me this is a pisstake
I think it is mate. Will ask him though.

[Lias]

Yours posts actually prompted Waylander to txt me and ask.. Interrupted my dinner ya bastards!

No I'm not seriously suggesting that all black children should be locked up at birth, yes I'm aware that many people find that shirt offensive, yes thats the main reason I wear it, yes tshirthell has many other wonderful shirts to offend pretty much anyone, yes you should shop there.

Next question?

[Lias]

Just to give you and inkling of some of the other gear shirts available t tshirt hell, we have slogans such as:

I EAT MORE PUSSY THAN CERVICAL CANCER
MARY WAS ONLY A VIRGIN IF YOU DON'T COUNT ANAL
WHAT ABOUT ALL THE GOOD THINGS HITLER DID?
I LIKE MY WOMEN LIKE I LIKE MY COFFEE (ground up and in the freezer)
RAPE IS NO LAUGHING MATTER (unless you're raping a clown)
MACE JUST MAKES ME HORNIER
PEDOPHILES ARE FUCKING IMMATURE ASSHOLES
I FUCKING HATE Spics, Dotheads, Honkeys, Japs, Wops, Kikes, Wetbacks, Gooks, Chinks, Camel Jockeys and The French, BUT I LOVE NIGGERS!

They also do baby sized shirts such as:
MOMMY DRINKS BECAUSE I CRY
F!#K THE MILK, WHERE'S THE WHISKEY TITS?!
PRIEST MAGNET

[Waylander]

They also do baby sized shirts such as:
F!#K THE MILK, WHERE'S THE WHISKEY TITS?!

HAHA!!! I am so getting that one for the day I have a kid.:killingme

[Lias]

I never used to be racist untill I came across these thugs. Now I am. Sadly if I was still living in Australia, I fear I may have turned up at Cronulla yesterday with the rest of the "Skippy Poofters".
Mate,

Hating someone because of the colour of their skin(which they cant change) is racism, hating someone because of their culture and attitude (which they can change) isnt racism.

You hate them because of their culture and attitude, not because of their race. Your not a racist. That being said your local anarchist punk commie types consider anyone who doesnt love every other culture to be a nazi. But most of them are just fuckwits rebelling against "the man" to piss off mummy and daddy.

[Big Dave]

Next question?

Why did you feel it necessary to make your subsequent post?

[Lias]

Why did you feel it necessary to make your subsequent post?
To emphasize my point that people should buy hilarious yet offensive tshirts from that website.

I'm in noway affilated, employed by, or paid by www.tshirthell.com. I just think they do a damn fine job of making tshirts that offend those who need to lighten the hell up (and yes there are some on there that I'm not a great fan of, but hey comedy is comedy)

[Big Dave]

but hey comedy is comedy

And a target audience.....ah, whatever.

[mstriumph]

But the Prime Minister John Howard said "there are no racial issues in Australia". He wouldn't lie now, would he? ................

well - his lips were moving; .....with him that's usually a pretty good indication ......

and for all the john howard fans who may be lurking on here ... I DON'T CARE -- even for a politician the bloke is pondslime

[Indoo]

Mate,

Hating someone because of the colour of their skin(which they cant change) is racism, hating someone because of their culture and attitude (which they can change) isnt racism.

That mob was attacking anyone they saw who even looked middle eastern, including people who had been born in Australia and had fully 'assimilated' into aussie culture. They didn't even care if they were Lebanese and were part of one of the Leb gangs.

[wendigo]

Mate,

Hating someone because of the colour of their skin(which they cant change) is racism, hating someone because of their culture and attitude (which they can change) isnt racism.

You hate them because of their culture and attitude, not because of their race. Your not a racist. That being said your local anarchist punk commie types consider anyone who doesnt love every other culture to be a nazi. But most of them are just fuckwits rebelling against "the man" to piss off mummy and daddy.

Depends on your definition of race. I count culture as being a very large part of racial definition, so hence hating someone on the basis of their culture alone is somewhat racist.

Agree with you on your comment on the attitude. For me this is the big one, and because of it I do despise a lot of people who'se cultures & colours are different to my own. Sadly, those with a good attitude get painted with the same brush as the fuckwits with the bad attitude.

[Lou Girardin]

That mob was attacking anyone they saw who even looked middle eastern, including people who had been born in Australia and had fully 'assimilated' into aussie culture. They didn't even care if they were Lebanese and were part of one of the Leb gangs.

That's the nature of mobs. Like the cretin in the US who shot a Sikh the day after the WTC attacks.

The more important issue is why the authorities allowed the situation to get this bad. Too PC to hit the Lebanese thugs earlier perhaps?

[*sic]

same old shit different generation.

racism will always be here. because something different scares and intimidates peoples ideals / ideas..

[Damon]

To emphasize my point that people should buy hilarious yet offensive tshirts from that website.

I'm in noway affilated, employed by, or paid by www.tshirthell.com. I just think they do a damn fine job of making tshirts that offend those who need to lighten the hell up (and yes there are some on there that I'm not a great fan of, but hey comedy is comedy)

I love the one "I did the Olsen twins before they were famous"

[Damon]

http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/archive_details_list.php?article_id=581


Thanks Lias for posting this, it really helps explain the situation there and how the "Skips" have finally had enough.

It's been mentioned before but the only way to fix a problem like this is to send the trouble makers home, don't put them in jail where the innocent citizens have to continue to pay for being a victim, send them back to Lebanon (or where ever), they'll soon remember what a good place Australia is to live.

I was there a few years ago and all over the news was a story of a refugee that had gone into the equivilent of housing corp and torn the place apart because the house they had given him to live in for free didn't have a pool, so rather than be gratefull for a new life, house for his family and a country that supported him he assulted people and trashed property.



I also liked how the cop suggested they move down to the south island to get away from all the trouble, it's sad in today's stupidly PC world that a country can paint it's self into a corner with being nice to foreigners that they neglect their own people to the point that the citizens think about moving to another country to escape.

I'm afraid I support the "Skip's" on this one

[scumdog]

That write-up from the Aussie ex-cop as per Liaz post (also on Damons post #61) is well worth reading, it shows you how much self-serving politicians have their heads in the sand.

These guys (known as Lebs) do not take any notice of the rules of society, the only 'rules' are their own which are racially/ethnicly focused.

It will only be a matter of time before they are thriving in good old 'soft-target' NZ.

[ManDownUnder]

It will only be a matter of time before they are thriving in good old 'soft-target' NZ.

Like hell - the Triads would never allow it

[Al]

A bit off the current subject with this post...
In SA in the 80s, especially in Johannesburg and surroundings, there were 2 "gangs" - the PORRAS and the LEBS.
Night clubs in territorial areas were out of bounds for the opposing faction and the beatings were usually 4 or more on 1 hapless victim!
I was in the army in those days and we used to go on the piss, making sure we were in a group of 6 or more.... these bastards used to join together to beat up on army guys... Unfortunate part is that because they were foreigners they never got conscripted.

Dunno how the OZ govt is going to sort this one out.

Al

[Indoo]

That's the nature of mobs. Like the cretin in the US who shot a Sikh the day after the WTC attacks.

The more important issue is why the authorities allowed the situation to get this bad. Too PC to hit the Lebanese thugs earlier perhaps?

They are most likely like we are here, a totally under resourced force coupled by the advent of political bosses out of touch with the realities of policing.

The only way things actually happen is by events far forewarned by cops on the street, actually becoming reality and spiraling into chaos.

But on the upside, at least those aussie cops are being paid for the ridiculous amount of overtime they must be doing.

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=Indoo
But on the upside, at least those aussie cops are being paid for the ridiculous amount of overtime they must be doing.[/QUOTE]

They get PAID OVERTIME??? man, am I getting screwed, lucky to get time off in lieu!!:doh:

[Indoo]

They get PAID OVERTIME??? man, am I getting screwed, lucky to get time off in lieu!!:doh:

Not just paid overtime but its actually time and a half from what I've been told.

But working for free is no reward compared to the gracious thanks of the N.Z public so I think we're better off.

[Ixion]

I'm actually in Sydney at the moment, have been this week. Talking to folk here, it's a non-event. Nobody seems particulary worried , interested even.

[Lou Girardin]

[QUOTE=Damon]
It's been mentioned before but the only way to fix a problem like this is to send the trouble makers home, don't put them in jail where the innocent citizens have to continue to pay for being a victim, send them back to Lebanon (or where ever), they'll soon remember what a good place Australia is to live.

I also liked how the cop suggested they move down to the south island to get away from all the trouble, it's sad in today's stupidly PC world that a country can paint it's self into a corner with being nice to foreigners that they neglect their own people to the point that the citizens think about moving to another country to escape.

I'm afraid I support the "Skip's" on this one


Unfortunately, most of them were born in Oz, it is home.

BTW Scummy and Indoo, I'm getting really depressed hearing your moans of anguish. It's putting me off Xmas. :weep: :nya:

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=Damon]

BTW Scummy and Indoo, I'm getting really depressed hearing your moans of anguish. It's putting me off Xmas. :weep: :nya:

Well, I'm glad it puts SOMEBODY off Christmas!!!!:bleh:


All part of the job!!

[Postie]

the only man who can.......

[Marmoot]

Mate,

Hating someone because of the colour of their skin(which they cant change) is racism, hating someone because of their culture and attitude (which they can change) isnt racism.

You hate them because of their culture and attitude, not because of their race. Your not a racist. That being said your local anarchist punk commie types consider anyone who doesnt love every other culture to be a nazi. But most of them are just fuckwits rebelling against "the man" to piss off mummy and daddy.

Farkin 'ell....this is the first time I agree with ye. Good point there, mate.

Although one has to really carefully discern between 'integrate' and 'asimilate'. :nono:

Multiculturalism can only succeed if based on integration, where different cultures live along each other's side harmoniously and with respect to one another's difference.

Asimilation, however, would be 'One Nation One People One Culture' thing. References can be seen in Spanish Expedition to South America, Opression on Aborigin People, Maori Marginalization during British colonization, and genocide in African despotic countries.

Oh, and whatever the reason is, calling people by names associated with their physical characteristics (Gooks, Lebs, etc) most of the time can be classified as racism gestures. Unless, they actually use the name voluntarily to identify themselves (e.g: gang names, etc).

[Lou Girardin]

[QUOTE=Lou Girardin]

Well, I'm glad it puts SOMEBODY off Christmas!!!!:bleh:


All part of the job!!

I'll just have a drink in your honour then. One for me, one for scummy, one for me.......................................

[sAsLEX]

It obvious Play Station is to be blamed for this violence

[carver]

last night i was in a apartment block, sitting on a balcony 3 stories up enjoying some jim beam with a few saudi arabians and about 5 others of various middle eastern decent, all are moslems, and all good bastards,
i took 2 of em for a spin on the back of my bike...they had never been on one before:violin:
they asked me if i could teach them how to ride, i said sure, one of them was keen on the LOOKS of a SV1000S!
we got talking about religion and politics, these guys are polite well educated people, their english is excellent, and as young ppl (late teens-early 20's) i realised that we all are very similar.
the media and GOVT:ar15: (lefties) are the ones that push us apart and make us think we have nothing in common with these middle eastern ppl, when in fact, a lot of the westernised ones are just like us:wavey:

[Marmoot]

last night i was in a apartment block, sitting on a balcony 3 stories up enjoying some jim beam with a few saudi arabians and about 5 others of various middle eastern decent, all are moslems, and all good bastards,
i took 2 of em for a spin on the back of my bike...they had never been on one before:violin:
they asked me if i could teach them how to ride, i said sure, one of them was keen on the LOOKS of a SV1000S!
we got talking about religion and politics, these guys are polite well educated people, their english is excellent, and as young ppl (late teens-early 20's) i realised that we all are very similar.
the media and GOVT:ar15: (lefties) are the ones that push us apart and make us think we have nothing in common with these middle eastern ppl, when in fact, a lot of the westernised ones are just like us:wavey:

You're talking about our friend Paco are you? Hey Paco! PACO! he said you're a good bastard :shit:

[Big Dave]

I'm actually in Sydney at the moment, have been this week. Talking to folk here, it's a non-event. Nobody seems particulary worried , interested even.

Ya mate - as per post#1. nuffink new.

[SPman]

From "The Chaser"[I]
Tuesday, 13 December 2005 The ‘Aussies’ recorded a hard-fought victory over the ‘Lebs’ in the year’s first State Of Origin clash, held last Sunday in Cronulla. A passionate home crowd of 5,000 turned up to watch the contest at the beach, the local backstreets, and wherever participants could find people who looked vaguely Middle Eastern.
“They were a disgrace,” said NSW Premier Morris Iemma of the flag-bearing yobbos. “Bashing Muslims is one thing. But subjecting them to ‘Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi’ chants is simply barbaric.” However, Cronulla surfies said that their actions had been only designed to defend traditional Australian values, such as racism and drunken violence.
Neo-nazi pamphleteers admitted some responsibility for things getting out of hand, clarifying that when they asked for the ‘Aussies’ to wind the clock back, they hadn’t meant all the way back to when Australia was a penal colony.
The news has been a public relations disaster for Australia, shattering its international reputation as a country where people are too lazy to form lynch mobs. But Prime Minister John Howard denied that the riots were racially motivated. ‘I don’t think there was an underlying racism behind the riots,” he said. “In fact, compared to some of my backbenchers, the rioters' views were quite moderate.”

Nevertheless, the response to the riots has been swift. NSW Premier Morris Iemma met with community leaders from the local, Christian and Islamic communities on Monday, agreeing to condemn the ethnic violence around Sydney, and to further condemn the fact that no one cared what they thought.

NSW Opposition Leader Peter Debnam has also weighed into the debate, calling for greater powers for police, “Like the power for 150 of them to be able to control a crowd of 5,000 boozed-up thugs,” he said. “That might also involve the power to leap over entire buildings in a single bound, though.”

Lebanese Muslim gangs are the only ones who have welcomed the violence, saying that the events of Sunday made them feel like they truly belonged in Australia for the first time ever. "It's just wonderful to know that violent thugs do have a place in this country," a spokesperson said, while smashing a car.

The next State of Origin match is expected this Sunday, a crucial contest in the 27 part series.