Urgent roadcode question

[mops]

Hello ppl.
I'm about to sit my class 6 learners this afternoon, just going through road code and test questions, and I struck a major dilema.

Look at attached pics.

You see... according to the road code, in both cases blue car should give way to the red car, i.e. red car goes first.

However driving the cage for 10 years It's been always opposite.... i.e. blue car goes first.

Can somebody explain/comment ?

[MrMelon]

I've always just used the rule that if your drivers door will get hit, then you've got to give way, unless the other car is at a give way or stop sign and you're not.

[Devil]

Can somebody explain/comment ?
Well the first one (for me) is an uncontrolled intersection. Technically, you have to give way to someone coming from your right (they're not on a give way), not a lot of people do this however, because they a)dont know the rule or b) know the rule, but dont trust the other mother f*cker to not turn across in front of them.

The other one is similar, entranceway to that type of place are like intersections. See above.

[SimJen]

I suppose its because the red car is effectively approaching from the right.
Seems pointless to effectively have the blue car block the road, while you wait for the red car to go. Especially with the red car in the second pic coming out of a driveway (or non legal road).

[scumdog]

The reason those rules are broken so often is that the car (blue) is on what they see as a main road so they think they have right of way.

Go with the book.

P.S. We get shit-loads of people running into this problem regarding the entrance/exit from Newworld supermarket, they all think they have right of way over anybody leaving the car-park.

[bugjuice]

what the rules say, and what actually happens in real life driving are often two very different things.

Do as the books says and pray you don't scrotum to the real world whilst on your test, then readapt back to real life when you've passed your test.

That's how it should work, yes. But does it really happen? That's something else.

[ManDownUnder]

Yup blue car gives way both times - give way to your right.

If there are traffic controls that give one vehicle priority then obey them, but as someone said - uncontrolled intersections... give way to your right.

It DOES raise a worrying thought though - you've been driving a ton of steel around for 10 years and NOT doing that?

[Colapop]

Don't worry about it for a start.
Secondly in all give way situations where you are unsure - give way to your right unless one of you are controlled by a road sign ie Give Way. The Road Code doea make this clear - apply the right hand rule.
And don't worry, you'll be fine.

[Waylander]

You know I can honestly say I have never seen a t-intersection like that not have a give way or stop for the red car.

[MisterD]

That's a bit of a curly one I reckon. I doubt you would find many uncontrolled intersestions like that, usually if you're turning out onto a road like that you'll be at a Give Way or Stop...

[bugjuice]

my car isn't red or blue tho and I have a bike too, so do the rules still apply to me?

[Sniper]

Give way to the right ALWAYS!!

[ManDownUnder]

my car isn't red or blue tho and I have a bike too, so do the rules still apply to me?

Your bike is Orange - and Orange means stop if you safely can.

Considering the fact Kwaka's can hardly go I think you'll be fine (unless the brakes fail or you're presented with a hill to roll down).

Does that help?

[bugjuice]

no. shut up.

[SimJen]

from the road code

If you are turning right, give way to vehicles on your right that are turning right.

[Colapop]

The major problem with the road code is that it's not written clearly. It used to explain a situation and give scenarios etc. but on the opposite page it would say "The law says you must or must do this..."
I had an argument with a guy (F*wit) from LTSA about the M/cycle road code.
Special Question 31. If you stop on a hill which brake do you use to start off again with?
a) Front.
b) Back.
c) Both.
If I were to answer that in a practical sense I would say b. Coz you start off using your back brake. But the RC gives a situiation and doesn't say it's both or back although it describes using both in the whole procedure.
I didn't get that question in my quiz but it just shows that sometimes it depends on how you read the RC that makes the difference.

[Motu]

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P.S. We get shit-loads of people running into this problem regarding the entrance/exit from Newworld supermarket, they all think they have right of way over anybody leaving the car-park.

We had this problem at a supermarket where I used to live - the car park exited to a road on either side,one controled by a give way,the other uncontrolled...in the confusion all rules were ignored and we played it by ear.

[bugjuice]

The major problem with the road code is that it's not written clearly. It used to explain a situation and give scenarios etc. but on the opposite page it would say "The law says you must or must do this..."
I had an argument with a guy (F*wit) from LTSA about the M/cycle road code.
Special Question 31. If you stop on a hill which brake do you use to start off again with?
a) Front.
b) Back.
c) Both.
If I were to answer that in a practical sense I would say b. Coz you start off using your back brake. But the RC gives a situiation and doesn't say it's both or back although it describes using both in the whole procedure.
I didn't get that question in my quiz but it just shows that sometimes it depends on how you read the RC that makes the difference.
I can't believe that's even a bloody question. Are the cops going to write you a ticket for using the wrong brake on a hill? ffs.. I would have thought as long as you don't endanger anyone or anything, then use what ever does the fricken job!

[The Stranger]

Hello ppl.
I'm about to sit my class 6 learners this afternoon, just going through road code and test questions, and I struck a major dilema.

However driving the cage for 10 years It's been always opposite.... i.e. blue car goes first.

Can somebody explain/comment ?

Surely this is a piss take.

Or have you really been driving for 10yrs and don't know the f'n rules?

I sincerely hope you meet other like minded individuals often in your travels.

Unfortunately I do.

[Waylander]

Hey atleast he's tryin to learn. Could have been like the rest of us and just follow the crowd.

[Lou Girardin]

The look on the face of blue car drivers when I drive at their door is priceless.
It gets the point home quite well too.

[mops]

Surely this is a piss take.

Or have you really been driving for 10yrs and don't know the f'n rules?

I sincerely hope you meet other like minded individuals often in your travels.

Unfortunately I do.

As sombody correctly pointed out, as I think of it now, big most of not all these type of intersections are controlled by either give way or stop....

When I'm driving I must be doing it my instinct (note that in 10 years and probably around 300'000k's around auckland, i had only one accident and I was not at fault), but as I think of now it not as obvious. My mate at work says that this is a rule but nobody follows it...... or at least not everyboody follows it....

I'm kind of confused.... right now I understand that by the BOOK it's give a way to the vehicles on your right, however on the road assume give way on the smaller street....

[Colapop]

There are 'rules' that are not written. It makes sense to give way to someone on a main road, and get some vision to enter the flow of traffic safely. Although the rules say otherwise. If I am entering the flow of traffic and I can't see I will tell (by hand gesture - a nice one) the car in the road to go first. I don't give a shit, I'd rather be safe than get binned by some dick in a Volvo.

[dawnrazor]

Hello ppl.
I'm about to sit my class 6 learners this afternoon, just going through road code and test questions, and I struck a major dilema.

Look at attached pics.

You see... according to the road code, in both cases blue car should give way to the red car, i.e. red car goes first.

However driving the cage for 10 years It's been always opposite.... i.e. blue car goes first.

Can somebody explain/comment ?

Its just the give way rule, which states you have to give way to all traffic on your right, as you would do at a round-about. the blue car would only have right of way if it was going straight in both instances. Its the same rule that causes the confusion
in the below example
In most cases on the road both of your examples will be yielded or stoped signed for the red car and the blue car will have right of way

[spudchucka]

Hello ppl.
I'm about to sit my class 6 learners this afternoon, just going through road code and test questions, and I struck a major dilema.

Look at attached pics.

You see... according to the road code, in both cases blue car should give way to the red car, i.e. red car goes first.

However driving the cage for 10 years It's been always opposite.... i.e. blue car goes first.

Can somebody explain/comment ?
Right turning traffic has to give way to other right turning traffic on their right. Its always been the case. You have been failing to give way correctly in your cage for the last ten years. Don't feel bad about it though, the majority of motorists have never been able to grasp the concept of give way to your right.

[idb]

It DOES raise a worrying thought though - you've been driving a ton of steel around for 10 years and NOT doing that?
What he said!

[spudchucka]

The major problem with the road code is that it's not written clearly.
Really? They have bloody pictures that clearly show who gives way. It can't be made much clearer.

[Colapop]

I can't believe that's even a bloody question. Are the cops going to write you a ticket for using the wrong brake on a hill? ffs.. I would have thought as long as you don't endanger anyone or anything, then use what ever does the fricken job!
The biggest issue I have is with LTSA. I rang up to get clarification on this question and they wouldn't tell me - Oh no sorry it was "We are not allowed to tell you". I tried to tell them all I wanted was clarification of the RC, not to cheat on the test. I went through two call centre ops before getting the "Stupidvisor". Mr Gayf*ck virtually accused me of doing the test while I was talking to him and then justified his position (bent over) by saying "Well I can read it correctly". It's like they don't want people to pass the test or something.

[spudchucka]

As sombody correctly pointed out, as I think of it now, big most of not all these type of intersections are controlled by either give way or stop....

When I'm driving I must be doing it my instinct (note that in 10 years and probably around 300'000k's around auckland, i had only one accident and I was not at fault), but as I think of now it not as obvious. My mate at work says that this is a rule but nobody follows it...... or at least not everyboody follows it....

I'm kind of confused.... right now I understand that by the BOOK it's give a way to the vehicles on your right, however on the road assume give way on the smaller street....
The smaller street has nothing to do with it. If its an uncontrolled intersection, (no stop sign, give way sign or traffic lights) then you give way to the right. Right turning traffic gives way to other right turning traffic on their right regardless of who is on the bigger bloody street.

Fuck its a wonder that people make it past sixteen years of age in this country.

[Waylander]

The smaller street has nothing to do with it. If its an uncontrolled intersection, (no stop sign, give way sign or traffic lights) then you give way to the right. Right turning traffic gives way to other right turning traffic on their right regardless of who is on the bigger bloody street.

Fuck its a wonder that people make it past sixteen years of age in this country.
What about when the blue car is doing a u-turn? Doesn't that then make him right turning traffic for the person turning right in the red car?

[spudchucka]

What about when the blue car is doing a u-turn? Doesn't that then make him right turning traffic for the person turning right in the red car?
How is the other person in the red car to know that the blue car is doing a U-turn and not a standard right hand turn?

As far as the red car driver is concerned there is a car indicating a right hand turn that they are required to give way to it, they have to give way until the road is clear for them to proceed.

[The Stranger]

I'm kind of confused.... right now I understand that by the BOOK it's give a way to the vehicles on your right, however on the road assume give way on the smaller street....

Look I know what, why don't we all just make up our own rules. We could base them on street size or traffic count or even the day of the week, or or or - hell you choose. And no need to even publish them, just so long as you know what they are no need for anyone else to abide by them, cause they have their own anyway.

[Colapop]

I used to have a green car til it got stolen....

[mops]

Ok ppl.

After reading all that and thinking it over, I understand now....

thanks for input everybody involved....

....

[MacD]

You know I can honestly say I have never seen a t-intersection like that not have a give way or stop for the red car.

Come and see the end of my road, in (fairly) central Auckland City!

Why there isn't a Give-way sign there I have no idea!? People get it wrong all the time.

By the way the major/minor road distinction at T intersections disappeared in 1977.

[Waylander]

How is the other person in the red car to know that the blue car is doing a U-turn and not a standard right hand turn?

As far as the red car driver is concerned there is a car indicating a right hand turn that they are required to give way to it, they have to give way until the road is clear for them to proceed.
And then what if the red car is doing a u-turn aswell in wich case he becomes right turning traffic for the blue car again but on the other side of the road now. And then maybe the blue car is doing a donut becouse they are a morin and no idea where they are going? Come on man these are answers I must know!!! lol:bleh:

[mops]

intersection does not sound like a good place to do a u-turn.

[John_H]

I was quite suprised to see that one when I did mine. It seems it is a road rule but no one actually follows it.

[spudchucka]

And then what if the red car is doing a u-turn aswell in wich case he becomes right turning traffic for the blue car again but on the other side of the road now. And then maybe the blue car is doing a donut becouse they are a morin and no idea where they are going? Come on man these are answers I must know!!! lol:bleh:
Then its a stale mate and you have to do burnouts to see who has right of way. First tyre to pop is the loser!

[spudchucka]

I was quite suprised to see that one when I did mine. It seems it is a road rule but no one actually follows it.
I always follow it, especially in a cop car. I love watching the other guy getting paranoid thinking "Why isn't that cop going? Have I done something wrong? Prick must be going to pull me over!" Eventually they drive off with a stunned mullet look on their faces.