tookie williams

[SixPackBack]

For those of you that follow current events I wondered what your views are on the execution of Tookie Williams.
Leader of the 'Crips' and convicted of multiple murders Tookie was executed after over 20 years on death row, during this time he turned his life around and became an author, speaking out against violence. Tookie denied the charges against him.
Personally his death made me feel hollow, feeling a lot more like revenge than rehabilitation.

[SimJen]

Its funny what people will do to avoid the death penalty.
So what if he turned his life around, try telling that to the victims and their families.
Being "innocent" is what all criminals say they are.
I have turned my life around by making the decision not to kill people!!!

[John]

that'll teach that crips bitch, bloods biatch represent.

People go abit crazy on death row, I think mr crips did that to, and the reason for execution was revenge anyway, it was never going to change, thats all "justice" is revenge, unjust or not...

[Lou Girardin]

I'm disgusted with the delay of 24 years, but I don't have a problem with the sentence. He executed a shop owner who was lying face down on the floor. Then killed a family he'd robbed. He also boasted about how the shop owner gurgled as he died.
As far as the anti-gang work he's done. apparently it consists of writing a couple of books of which the publishers refuse to say how many have sold.
Most of the LA gang members don't have a clue who he is.
It smacks very much of a play for sympathy, like all these murderers who are 'born again' while on death row.

[judgeshock]

The law is clear cut, he knew it. I think if we all had nothing better to do than sit in a cage, we also could make some astounding changes.
We all do silly things when we are younger, but I never managed or felt the need to go on a killing spree.
We don't know the evidence in this case to make a clear cut decision. As Arnie said, no apology no redemption. (or something along those lines).:rockon:

[skelstar]

Dont believe what you hear in the media. I know its cliche but they will spin a story to sell a story.

[SimJen]

The 24 year delay, is because of all the bitching and moaning protesters and the media make. People who don't want to know about the crimes.

[Bartman10]

I disagree with the death penalty. Killing people as a deterrent to prevent other people killing is hypocritical, especially if it takes 24 years to administer the punishment.

However, criminals are usually pretty good at killing each other, especially ones associated with gangs. Maybe they should have let him out on parole all those years ago into a 'bloods' neighbourhood.

[T.W.R]

if this tookie had been the leader of the 'Crips' he would have been involved in a lot more than just the deaths he was convicted of. its all the do-good PC pricks that cause the duration of time from the conviction through to the termination of life (if someone gets a death penalty it should be carried out straight away!).
plus he got the easy way out (injection) not like his victims!
if someone takes the life of another person for their own gain, its wrong!, it isn't because they had a harsh childhood or were mistreated, it isn't because they've got mental issues. No-one inflicts violence on another without having made a judgement call, its the most primitive of human nature making that decision, it isn't done blindly its a moralistic judgement that stems from our core.

if a criminal is sentenced to death then do there & then, exactly the same treatment they gave their victims! a murderer doesn't meet their victim & warn them their going to kill them in 20yrs time.

[chris]

The 24 year delay, is because of all the bitching and moaning protesters and the media make.Isn't it more to do with the appeal process?

[SixPackBack]

I disagree with the death penalty. Killing people as a deterrent to prevent other people killing is hypocritical, especially if it takes 24 years to administer the punishment.

However, criminals are usually pretty good at killing each other, especially ones associated with gangs. Maybe they should have let him out on parole all those years ago into a 'bloods' neighbourhood.
I agree, killing criminals takes us down to their level, nothing wrong with locking them up permanently.
Also I believe with multiple appeals the expense of execution out weighs life imprisonment. Read that somewhere, could stand corrected on that one.

[MisterD]

Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of the death penalty, I'd bet you dollars to donuts that if he'd be white he wouldn't have been executed.....

[Posh Tourer :P]

I disagree with the death penalty. Killing people as a deterrent to prevent other people killing is hypocritical, especially if it takes 24 years to administer the punishment.

However, criminals are usually pretty good at killing each other, especially ones associated with gangs. Maybe they should have let him out on parole all those years ago into a 'bloods' neighbourhood.

It is hypocritical, but only in a prima facie view....The 24 years is to protect against hypocrisy as much as possible, by trying to get ultimate legal certainty.
As for hypocrisy...... letting criminals administer justice??

[scumdog]

I agree, killing criminals takes us down to their level, nothing wrong with locking them up permanently.
Also I believe with multiple appeals the expense of execution out weighs life imprisonment. Read that somewhere, could stand corrected on that one.

No problem with that philosophy - as long as the "anti-death sentence' types are prepared to pay for the losers existence.

Me? Just hang the waster.

Tookie shoulda thought about doing good first instead of murder/robbery etc then he wouldn't be dead.

[Sniper]

Lock em up, forget to feed them, they die of natural causes don't they.

[sels1]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]I agree, killing criminals takes us down to their level, FONT]

and holds back the advancement of civilised society. Capital punishment has never worked, they have tried it for thousands of years. I am glad to live in one of the more advanced countries, like most European countries, that have realised this and moved on.

[In The Breeze]

if someone gets a death penalty it should be carried out straight away! Agreed. They could of saved over a million in keeping the piece of crap around. Not as if he stole some chewing gum,he was a MURDERER and as mentioned before I bet he had done a lot more than what is known about.
Exacuting(sp) people isnt nice eh? Maybe he should of thought of the first. He wont do that again eh

[Colapop]

The death penalty as a deterrent needs to be adminstered in an appropriate time frame. The Chinese 'justice' system has a van/hearse that travels from court to court adminstering the lethal injection within 15 mins of the sentence being pronounced. Is the death penalty in China a deterrent? Is that an appropriate time frame? There are cultural and political differences that can be cited in this situation but the question of timeframe vs deterrent is still valid.
Is the Death penalty right or wrong? Some points to note; Is the convict likely to re-offend ie. kill more people? Are the families/people affected by the death (of the victim) going to be appeased by the death of the convict? Is it the death penalty the same thing as sanctioned murder?
The question of justice will be debated for a long time to come, and there are many questions that have not been asked here that have a bearing on the answer. My personal view is that the death penalty is an inefectual effort to reduce the (prison) population.

[Posh Tourer :P]

if this tookie had been the leader of the 'Crips' he would have been involved in a lot more than just the deaths he was convicted of. its all the do-good PC pricks that cause the duration of time from the conviction through to the termination of life (if someone gets a death penalty it should be carried out straight away!).
plus he got the easy way out (injection) not like his victims!
if someone takes the life of another person for their own gain, its wrong!, it isn't because they had a harsh childhood or were mistreated, it isn't because they've got mental issues. No-one inflicts violence on another without having made a judgement call, its the most primitive of human nature making that decision, it isn't done blindly its a moralistic judgement that stems from our core.

Firstly, read below re: hypocrisy. Secondly, you can´t, on the same principle, kill someone because you think they must have done something. Only do it on evidence.

Lastly, right and wrong are not absolute. They are constructs of society. Thus it was right, for instance, for cannibalism to occur until the rest of society swallowed up those cultures...
So, mistreatment in the formative years can cause a distorted perception of right and wrong. it is a judgement call, but it is made on different ideas of right and wrong..... It might still stem from our core, but that core is moulded by society....

[Postie]

Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of the death penalty, I'd bet you dollars to donuts that if he'd be white he wouldn't have been executed.....

what a fuckin retard, there have been plenty of white people executed and there are plenty left on death row, his sentence isn't decided on his skin colour, its decided on his crime, if he was a 70 year old white american who had a normal life but went on a killing spree, asuming he did get left off on a lighter sentance due to insanity or some shit, then he would ge the death penalty. its that fucking attitude that causes racial riots around the world, open your eyes, you might just learn something.......:bash:

[sels1]

[QUOTE=scumdog]No problem with that philosophy - as long as the "anti-death sentence' types are prepared to pay for the losers existence.
QUOTE]

Yep, dont mind, thats what we pay taxes for - its the cost of living in a civilised society. (And dont mind contributing to your pay either SD:yes: )

What I dont want is the Govt taking my money to use for killing people "on my behalf"

[In The Breeze]

Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of the death penalty, I'd bet you dollars to donuts that if he'd be white he wouldn't have been executed..... Im pretty sure some white guy just got exacuted recently over there. As in within the last week. Could be wrong but dont think so.

[Posh Tourer :P]

Also I believe with multiple appeals the expense of execution out weighs life imprisonment. Read that somewhere, could stand corrected on that one.

I believe that is the case....

[Colapop]

Im pretty sure some white guy just got executed recently over there. As in within the last week. Could be wrong but dont think so.
Yep he was the 1000th person in the 'States to be executed. But only the 11th since California has had the death penalty (1972). There are currently 640 inmates on death row in California. That's a long row.
Does sentencing someone to death row mean a true life sentence since more people die from old age than execution on death row?

[Timetogo]

Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of the death penalty, I'd bet you dollars to donuts that if he'd be white he wouldn't have been executed.....

Are you saying that white people don't get executed.... bollocks

[Posh Tourer :P]

My personal view is that the death penalty is an inefectual effort to reduce the (prison) population.

Yes, true

I agree with the death penalty in theory, but the practice to get the right safeguards in place, with the current legal system, means it isnt workable......

[WINJA]

Lock em up, forget to feed them, they die of natural causes don't they.
I AGREE DEATH BY NEGLECT IS BETTER THAN PUTTING A NEEDLE IN THEM , ITS MORE PAINFULL TOO, IF HE WAS PUT IN A CELL WITH NO FOOD OR WATER OR TOILET HED DIE WITHEN 2 WEEKS IN HIS OWN FILTH , THIS FUCKER IS AN ANIMAL , ACTUALLY WORSE THAN AN ANIMAL

[John]

I AGREE DEATH BY NEGLECT IS BETTER THAN PUTTING A NEEDLE IN THEM , ITS MORE PAINFULL TOO, IF HE WAS PUT IN A CELL WITH NO FOOD OR WATER OR TOILET HED DIE WITHEN 2 WEEKS IN HIS OWN FILTH , THIS FUCKER IS AN ANIMAL , ACTUALLY WORSE THAN AN ANIMAL
I see your bloods to?..

hahaha

[MisterD]

what a fuckin retard, there have been plenty of white people executed and there are plenty left on death row, his sentence isn't decided on his skin colour, its decided on his crime, if he was a 70 year old white american who had a normal life but went on a killing spree, asuming he did get left off on a lighter sentance due to insanity or some shit, then he would ge the death penalty. its that fucking attitude that causes racial riots around the world, open your eyes, you might just learn something.......:bash:

Tell you what, why don't you go away and read "Dead Man Walking" then come back and talk to me then? If you look at the death penalty stats in the US, there is a huge mismatch between the way whites and blacks are treated. If you're young, black and male, you're screwed....

[John]

Tell you what, why don't you go away and read "Dead Man Walking" then come back and talk to me then? If you look at the death penalty stats in the US, there is a huge mismatch between the way whites and blacks are treated. If you're young, black and male, you're screwed....
are you black?

nah? - oh your all good then....

[John]

words words words :yes:

[Postie]

Tell you what, why don't you go away and read "Dead Man Walking" then come back and talk to me then? If you look at the death penalty stats in the US, there is a huge mismatch between the way whites and blacks are treated. If you're young, black and male, you're screwed....

I know that the USA was and probably still is a very racist country when it comes to black and white, but I disagree that his skin colour had anything to with the sentence he was given, in fact if anything, the fact that he was black probably saved his arse for all these years, he was given and all white jury so his defence lawyers and his supporters played on that for years, he gained international status as a reformed black murdering gangster who tried to sway young americans away from gangs and the lifestlye it involves, he was good for publicity, 24 years to carry out a death penalty, that was done for a reason.

[Eurodave]

words words words :yes:


how about.... NICE AFF?

[MisterD]

I know that the USA was and probably still is a very racist country when it comes to black and white, .

Definitely.


but I disagree that his skin colour had anything to with the sentence he was given

I'm glad you're so sure. Me? I'm a cynical b'stard with no faith in human nature especially when it comes to anything involving money, lawyers and American public opinion...

[WRT]

words words words :yes:

How about . . .


Rockape.

[Beemer]

Being on death row for 20-plus years is a bit tough, but I am sure if he'd killed any of my loved ones, I wouldn't have shed any tears at his execution.

It amazes me how many criminals "turn their lives around" in prison. Like they have much choice? I bet if he'd been paroled or put out on the streets 20 years ago, more people would have died and he wouldn't have become the big hero everyone's making him out to be.

I don't give a shit what colour his skin was, anyone who commits crimes like this doesn't deserve to live. He's had all those years spent in relative luxury (three meals a day, a bed, etc.), unlike his victims and their families.

And it also amazes me how many "find the lord" while they're on death row. If this was true, then they would want to meet their maker sooner rather than later! Finding religion shouldn't be a 'get out of jail free' card.

[ManDownUnder]

I'll happily go back to my "I don't like the death sentence" stance.

I think he did a lot of good in his latter years, writing anti gang and anti drug education books.

The press reported he is a changed man - they have an aim of selling advertising - so they're biased.

The governor of the prison etc commented he hasn't changed - but they have a aim of keeping their jobs, not rocking the boat combined with political aspirations or influences... so they're biased.

I don't know the guy - I know I don't like what he did and I think being locked up with a death sentence over your head for 20 years, before being put to death is cruel.

Beemer - I agree that if it was one of mine that had been murdered I'd feel different. I'd also add that in that situation I should be kept out of the trial and sentencing because of that bias - just as judge, lawyers and jury are.

My 22c worth (+GST)

[T.W.R]

So, mistreatment in the formative years can cause a distorted perception of right and wrong. it is a judgement call, but it is made on different ideas of right and wrong..... It might still stem from our core, but that core is moulded by society....

we're all individuals in life & beliefs, our moral & ethical beliefs are created by our judgement and perception of what society demonstrates to us as we develop, but our decision on what choices we make in life are ours & ours alone, the final decision in our every action is made by us the individual, it isn't made by others.
we adhere to what society expects of us for sure (but thats only due to human nature and belonginess needs).

[Hoon]

I'm all for the death penalty. Rules are rules which we all have to live by and those that chose not to have to pay the price. I read somewhere that it costs $87,000 a year to keep someone in prison. Now how do you all feel paying some murderers living expenses for the next 50 years? To me if someone commits a crime that earns a death sentence then they deserve everything they get.

Its just PC gone mad with all the tree hugging hippies out waving their ribbons so they can sleep better at night because they are soft and living in a fantasy world.

Sure its not the ideal solution but neither is imprisoning someone for life at the taxpayers expense. Hopefully one day science fiction will provide a more economic and ethical answer to dealing with crims i.e. Cryogenic freezing (ala Demolition Man), instant aging (Twilight Zone?), brain reprogramming or even global spy camera coverage, foresight (Minority Report) or time travel (TimeCop) to discourage crime?

[ManDownUnder]

I'm all for the death penalty. Rules are rules which we all have to live by and those that chose not to have to pay the price. I read somewhere that it costs $87,000 a year to keep someone in prison. Now how do you all feel paying some murderers living expenses for the next 50 years? To me if someone commits a crime that earns a death sentence then they deserve everything they get.

Its just PC gone mad with all the tree hugging hippies out waving their ribbons so they can sleep better at night because they are soft and living in a fantasy world.

Sure its not the ideal solution but neither is imprisoning someone for life at the taxpayers expense. Hopefully one day science fiction will provide a more economic and ethical answer to dealing with crims i.e. Cryogenic freezing (ala Demolition Man), instant aging (Twilight Zone?), brain reprogramming or even global spy camera coverage, foresight (Minority Report) or time travel (TimeCop) to discourage crime?

I prefer a punishment that fits the crime..

IF a guy is convicted of rape and it's a 100% certainty... castrate them. Simply remove their balls - it'll lower their libido and certainly provide a deterrant to the community at large...

[Colapop]

The only other time I've heard 'Tookie' was from "George of the Jungle" - watch out for that tree!

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=scumdog]No problem with that philosophy - as long as the "anti-death sentence' types are prepared to pay for the losers existence.
QUOTE]

Yep, dont mind, thats what we pay taxes for - its the cost of living in a civilised society. (And dont mind contributing to your pay either SD:yes: )

What I dont want is the Govt taking my money to use for killing people "on my behalf"

I don't mind MY taxes getting used on something I and/or the public could benefit from, keeping a low-life killer alive so certain people can feel good about having no death penalty is not a 'benefit' in my opinion.

Death penalty might not be a deterent but it sure as hell stops recidivent behaviour.

[Grahameeboy]

Always a difficult one....yep he did wrong, nah if he is sentenced to death it is wrong to make him wait 24 years. Okay the agument is that he has appeals but we all know that in the end the end is nigh............however, we are all entitled to a second chance (okay you may say to Kill again which I accept), however, if this guy was doing some good then it is better to just keep him alive...not all these guys turn to God or Good....if he was helping to stop other guys doing what he did then it could save lives and grieving and affect more people........as I said a difficult one...
To be honest if it was my kid he murdered, I would not want him excecuted......it would be the last thing on my mind......killing is still killing.

[Motu]

Hopefully one day science fiction will provide a more economic and ethical answer to dealing with crims i.e. time travel (TimeCop) to discourage crime?

I have some experiance in this field,because it's what happened to me - I was a high Priest in an Atlantis civilisation....for crimes I won't go into here,it's really of no concern to you - I was sent forward to ''The End of Time'' as my punishment.It's been a lot of fun really....

[kerryg]

I have some experiance in this field,because it's what happened to me - I was a high Priest in an Atlantis civilisation....for crimes I won't go into here, it's really of no concern to you - I was sent forward to ''The End of Time'' as my punishment.It's been a lot of fun really....


No Motu, you're confused. Judging from many of your posts and the plain affection you show for old mechanical things, old music etc I believe you were in fact sent BACK in time...to about 1950-something at a guess.......:yeah:

[sels1]

Death penalty might not be a deterent but it sure as hell stops recidivent behaviour.

(sigh) The only thing the death penalty does is it sets an example to society from the Govt that killing and violence is the way to solve your problems. Look at the bigger picture. We need to evlove forward-not back to the dark ages. We have evolved to a point where cannibalism is no longer acceptable,
imagine evolving to a society where killing and violence is no longer acceptable. And we can all play a part in that - advocating the death penalty hardly moves us forward does it?

[enigma51]

This post is going to give me some red bling :banana:


Okay I tried my best not to be part of the this debate.

But let me put it this way if someone hurts or kill my wife I will hunt the fucker down and kill him very slowly I will spread his pain over a few days if not months I will hurt him so bad that if there is a thing like reincarnation he will still be hurting when he comes back as something/someone else. And I am sure that i am not the only one that feels that way.

Every one is saying aaaa the poor man death row for 20 years blah blah blah well what about the victims family.

[Karma]

Screw the death penalty... just get the guy to work in a technical call centre over here, trying to explain to people with an IQ of 5 how to manually configure an IP address!

I'm living my own personal death sentance every day :(

[sels1]

This post is going to give me some red bling :banana:


I have never given out red bling and I never will. And I dont have much respect for people who do. This is a public forum and you are entitled to put up your opinion regardless of what it is. If people dont agree they are free to post their own opinion. Red bling is a cowardly way to make your point.

Rant over....as you were...

[enigma51]

I have never given out red bling and I never will. And I dont have much respect for people who do. This is a public forum and you are entitled to put up your opinion regardless of what it is. If people dont agree they are free to post their own opinion. Red bling is a cowardly way to make your point.

Rant over....as you were...

Yes sir! :wavey:

[WINJA]

if he really is reformed then he can understand that his punishment is lawful and justified , not executing him sends the wrong kinda message . this fucker started a gang that is responsible for 100s of murders

[Beemer]

if he really is reformed then he can understand that his punishment is lawful and justified , not executing him sends the wrong kinda message . this fucker started a gang that is responsible for 100s of murders

What's the matter, WINJA, caps lock broken?

[Lou Girardin]

I have some experiance in this field,because it's what happened to me - I was a high Priest in an Atlantis civilisation....for crimes I won't go into here,it's really of no concern to you - I was sent forward to ''The End of Time'' as my punishment.It's been a lot of fun really....

Sounds like the 'high' stuck.

[Eurodave]

Anyway, what the hell kind of name is 'Tookie"?? & whats with the Shaft 'fro?? Just imagine the scene in jail.....''Yo, Im Tookie, respect, or I bust a cap on yo ass" :weird:

[Swoop]

if he really is reformed then he can understand that his punishment is lawful and justified , not executing him sends the wrong kinda message . this fucker started a gang that is responsible for 100s of murders

Who are you and what have you done with WINJA???

[Swoop]

This post is going to give me some red bling :banana:


Okay I tried my best not to be part of the this debate.

But let me put it this way if someone hurts or kill my wife I will hunt the fucker down and kill him very slowly I will spread his pain over a few days if not months I will hurt him so bad that if there is a thing like reincarnation he will still be hurting when he comes back as something/someone else. And I am sure that i am not the only one that feels that way.

Every one is saying aaaa the poor man death row for 20 years blah blah blah well what about the victims family.

Bling coming your way.
Bling is coloured like grass.

[Eurodave]

But let me put it this way if someone hurts or kill my wife I will hunt the fucker down and kill him very slowly I will spread his pain over a few days if not months I will hurt him so bad that if there is a thing like reincarnation he will still be hurting when he comes back as something/someone else. And I am sure that i am not the only one that feels that way.


Id have him cloned , then kill all of them tooo !!!

[enigma51]

Bling coming your way.
Bling is coloured like grass.
Thanks mate. :spudwave:

[TwoSeven]

I think that tookie chap and that aussie chap with the coke should be nominated for this years darwin awards.

I mean, take tookie. Found guilty of murdering 4 people right. 10 years on death row - insists he aint guilty for 10 years right up until they appeal to the governer. Gets knocked on the head - what was the reason he wasnt given clemency - didnt show remorse.

That other chap. Singapore has a pretty well publicised law about coke. 15g and its a hanging. Chap turns up with 20+ times that limit strapped to his waist. Everyone is wondering why he got hung.

Thats like the fools that climb into a lions cage and wonder why they get eaten.

I dont really care if people support the death penalty or not (i'm not really in favour of it) - but it takes a spectacular breed of stupidity to get yourself knocked on the head the way those two did.

[roks]

Tookie was not the same man that he was when he first entered jail. He had always known a life of gangs and violence, that was his life and all he knew. However during his 6 years in solitary for the first time ever, he had peace and solitude, no violence and no demands made on him. He had time to think and time to learn and learn he did. His books have raised money for numerous non profit agencies and he has swayed teens away from ganglife, including his own son. After 24 years on death row, he had a voice that should have been heard, not silenced.

He was also convicted on some pretty lightweight evidence too.

[WINJA]

Tookie was not the same man that he was when he first entered jail. He had always known a life of gangs and violence, that was his life and all he knew. However during his 6 years in solitary for the first time ever, he had peace and solitude, no violence and no demands made on him. He had time to think and time to learn and learn he did. His books have raised money for numerous non profit agencies and he has swayed teens away from ganglife, including his own son. After 24 years on death row, he had a voice that should have been heard, not silenced.

He was also convicted on some pretty lightweight evidence too.
HE FORMED ONE OF THE MOST VIOLENT STREET GANGS IN THE WORLD , HE GETS NO SYMPATHY FROM ME ON THAT BASIS ALONE

[roks]

Actually the Crips had been going for years before Tookie came along. It's sad when people remember someone only for the bad things they did, and never the good. And this happened more than quarter of a century ago and he was nominated 4 times for the the nobel Peace prize.

Heres an interesting site if you want to go read www.tookie.com

[kro]

if someone hurts or kill my wife I will hunt the fucker down and kill him very slowly I will spread his pain over a few days if not months I will hurt him so bad that if there is a thing like reincarnation he will still be hurting when he comes back as something/someone else. And I am sure that i am not the only one that feels that way.

Public opinion sways a mans publicly spoken words, but here is a man who is willing to say what he means, and I too would take this course of action if the same situation ensued.

As for the whole death penalty thing, I think it the only way to deal with some of our sociopathic types. I think it is a deterrent if done right away, but because its not always done immdeiately, its not an immediate threat to criims, so they commit crimes anyway, without thinking of the end result.

[WINJA]

Actually the Crips had been going for years before Tookie came along. It's sad when people remember someone only for the bad things they did, and never the good. And this happened more than quarter of a century ago and he was nominated 4 times for the the nobel Peace prize.

Heres an interesting site if you want to go read www.tookie.com
IF HE KILLED YOUR MUM ,DAD OR OTHER CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER WOULD YOU BE SO FORGIVING. I THINK HE ONLY DID THE GOOD THINGS CAUSE HE GOT CAUGHT AND HE KNEW HE WAS FUCKED AND HE WOULD LIE AND DECIEVE TO GET OFF DEATH ROW .
I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR HIM , JUST LIKE I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR ANY GANG MEMBERS , THE MORE OF THEM THAT ARE PUT OUTTA ACTION THE BETTER

[SPman]

Quite frankly, the whole scenario of capital punishment makes me feel sick.
Just hand them over to the victims families - let them decide and carry out any punishment, retribution, whatever, they feel necesary - not the whole ritualistic, barbaric, human sacrifice scenario all these events become!

[Karma]

Quite frankly, the whole scenario of capital punishment makes me feel sick.
Just hand them over to the victims families - let them decide and carry out any punishment, retribution, whatever, they feel necesary - not the whole ritualistic, barbaric, human sacrifice scenario all these events become!

Now that just won't work.

You may want the guy to die for what he's done, but who here could honestly pull the trigger themselves?

I've always felt that the act of killing someone takes away a part of the killers soul, whether that killing was legal or not.

It's not an easy answer... only those that have been affected by this guys murders can judge him.

[roks]

IF HE KILLED YOUR MUM ,DAD OR OTHER CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER WOULD YOU BE SO FORGIVING. I THINK HE ONLY DID THE GOOD THINGS CAUSE HE GOT CAUGHT AND HE KNEW HE WAS FUCKED AND HE WOULD LIE AND DECIEVE TO GET OFF DEATH ROW .
I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR HIM , JUST LIKE I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR ANY GANG MEMBERS , THE MORE OF THEM THAT ARE PUT OUTTA ACTION THE BETTER



After 26 years?? I would certainly hope so. Taking the life of one person does not bring back the lives of the others taken, and as I said he was convicted on some very shabby evidence. Go read the website, and read the affidavit sworn in October this year.

[Indiana_Jones]

that prick had it too good, hang 'em f*cking high

-Indy

[WINJA]

that prick had it too good, hang 'em f*cking high

-Indy
BUT NOT SO HIGH THAT YOU CANT REACH HIS COCK ,AYE YA LITTLE SAUSAGE HIDER

[Hitcher]

Personally his death made me feel hollow, feeling a lot more like revenge than rehabilitation.
All capital punishment is about revenge. It is barbaric and should not be condoned by a civilised and enlightened society. It does not act as a deterent for murder or any other crimes that carry a death penalty.

[Hitcher]

IF HE KILLED YOUR MUM ,DAD OR OTHER CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER WOULD YOU BE SO FORGIVING.
If this is your answer, then dispense with a justice system and allow mob rule. Round up a posse and organise yo self a hangin...

If a convicted killer is detained so they are no longer a danger to others and have their liberty and pursuit of happiness sufficiently curtailed, what useful purpose does killing them serve, other than providing revenge?

[WINJA]

If this is your answer, then dispense with a justice system and allow mob rule. Round up a posse and organise yo self a hangin...

If a convicted killer is detained so they are no longer a danger to others and have their liberty and pursuit of happiness sufficiently curtailed, what useful purpose does killing them serve, other than providing revenge?
REVENGE IS GOOD , I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT TOOKIES LIFE OR HIS RIGHTS .

[Lou Girardin]

The real founder of the crips was a guy named Washington - shot dead in '79.
If Williams books have earned so much for anti-gang groups, why are the publishers so reticent over numbers sold?

BTW I would have no compunction about execution for the two skinheads who have just killed the woman in ChCh. If what has been reported is true.

[ManDownUnder]

IF HE KILLED YOUR MUM ,DAD OR OTHER CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER WOULD YOU BE SO FORGIVING.

No - which is why I wouldn't be able to give the guy a fair trial.

Picture this, you hate someone - everyone knows it and you've made no secret of it. You've been mouthing off for years that the guy's a complete prick, a waste of good air.

You're going past his place one day and see him trapped under a tree/dead. He's still warm and you do the decent thing and call the cops and the ambos, and wait till they get there. Rumours inevitably start that you did it, then called the services to make it look like you were innocent, etc...

The judge on the case in this guys Dad... and he's never liked you anyway...

Would you be ok with that?

Yeah it's a long shot but I'm willing to be there are stranger things that have happened.

IF you've got an emotional involvement with a case you shouldn't be entitled to decide the outcome or the punishment. You've got every right to have your say, on what you think should happen but yours should not be the deciding voice.

Justice is hard enough to come by now - it would be nigh on impossible if we had "Trial by victim"

[Pixie]

I'm all for the death penalty. Rules are rules which we all have to live by and those that chose not to have to pay the price. I read somewhere that it costs $87,000 a year to keep someone in prison. Now how do you all feel paying some murderers living expenses for the next 50 years? To me if someone commits a crime that earns a death sentence then they deserve everything they get.

Its just PC gone mad with all the tree hugging hippies out waving their ribbons so they can sleep better at night because they are soft and living in a fantasy world.

Sure its not the ideal solution but neither is imprisoning someone for life at the taxpayers expense. Hopefully one day science fiction will provide a more economic and ethical answer to dealing with crims i.e. Cryogenic freezing (ala Demolition Man), instant aging (Twilight Zone?), brain reprogramming or even global spy camera coverage, foresight (Minority Report) or time travel (TimeCop) to discourage crime?
The death penalty in the US always costs many times that of a life sentence.

[Pixie]

I have some experiance in this field,because it's what happened to me - I was a high Priest in an Atlantis civilisation....for crimes I won't go into here,it's really of no concern to you - I was sent forward to ''The End of Time'' as my punishment.It's been a lot of fun really....
End of Time? Do you know something you aren't telling us?

You aren't Ironman are you?

[SixPackBack]

The death penalty in the US always costs many times that of a life sentence.
So why bother?......cheaper to leave them in jail for life.

[Karma]

All capital punishment is about revenge. It is barbaric and should not be condoned by a civilised and enlightened society. It does not act as a deterent for murder or any other crimes that carry a death penalty.

And there's the rub my friend.

No matter what people say we do not live in a civilised society. You want proof, go out for a drive somewhere, anywhere and see how civilised people are to you?

Plus the obvious of course, that if we were in a civilised society then these crimes wouldn't take place in the first place.

Do the crime, pay the time. Sure the guy repented, too late man, sometimes you cross a line and there's no going back, murder is one of those times.

[Pixie]

So why bother?......cheaper to leave them in jail for life.
Revenge is sweet

[ManDownUnder]

Revenge is sweet

I thought we were after justice...

[Sniper]

I thought we were after justice...

Justice, you don't deserve justice

[ManDownUnder]

Justice, you don't deserve justice

Mate I just GOT justice...

Went to a kid's Christmas party... waited till after the lolly scramble then asked... "Who wants to play tag".

Yeah - I got justice all right (and loved it... 5 year olds are the best!). I'll sleep well tonight though

[scumdog]

No - which is why I wouldn't be able to give the guy a fair trial.

Picture this, you hate someone - everyone knows it and you've made no secret of it. You've been mouthing off for years that the guy's a complete prick, a waste of good air.

You're going past his place one day and see him trapped under a tree/dead. He's still warm and you do the decent thing and call the cops and the ambos, and wait till they get there. Rumours inevitably start that you did it, then called the services to make it look like you were innocent, etc...

The judge on the case in this guys Dad... and he's never liked you anyway...

Would you be ok with that?
"

Ah well ce's la vis, shit happens - life ain't fair kids.

[Indoo]

Poor guy viciously kills innocent people and pays for it.

Just a shame he wasn't able to experience justice N.Z style, violent criminals here get 10 years in a relatively cushy environment for murdering people.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10360293

Maybe after he stabs and kills a few more people he might get over his 'anger' issues according to the judge.

[ghost]

Leading on with your soft bitch excuse of "you have no right to kill him", where is your right to incarcerate criminals? by what measure to you beleive that you have the right to hold someone against the will. If as a society you believe we dont have a right to protect ourselves from those who do not respect others right to live, then i hope you manage to get the laws changed to allow the like of William Bell out of prison and moved into the house next to you, so they can remove you from the gene pool.

He repented, so what, let me run over your foot with truck and then see how you feel about a "sorry", you got kids.... well I have, so I wont go there....but fella (fellaettes to), the guy killed four people, that they knew of, "I'm sorry" just dont cut it. Death penalty or life in prison is not about reabilitation, its about removing these things from what we want as a normal society.

He should have died long ago, anyone who feels sorry for him or the likes of him should take a good long look there lives and realise how good they live in todays society.

Having a death penalty wont stop all murders, but think of the arseholes we'd get rid of in the long run, dont tell me the world wound'nt be a better place.

FFFUUUUCCCCCKKKK some of you piss me off, but if I ever manage to murder someone at least I know youll come and see me and tell me its ok, that I didnt really mean it and i can get out soon, maybe, if it wasnt some one you knew.

Ghost out.