Mind altering drugs... rant

[ManDownUnder]

Just something on my mind... rant warning...

This year I've had the pleasure of meeting some bloody amasing people who have "survived" drugs. Their lives have been affected by them, and/or they came out the far side - seemingly richer in experience, but having lost something at the same time/in the process.

One of them is on here - he can introduce himself if he sees the need - and if not... Either way - you have my respect. The fact you're a good bastard doesn't hurt.

Others (not on here) carry on despite the hardships or adversities they did face or are currently facing.

For the record - they're fucken awful things. I can't imagine the amount of damage they do, but the good they do seems pretty bloody paltry - a buzz for a bit - oh yay. Anyone out there using, or thinking of using them... sort your shit out. If you need help get it, and if you don't need help, get it anyway.

I'll stop now - I'm not sure if I'm making a tit of myself or not, but it's on my mind...

end rant
MDU

[**R1**]

drugs are fine, but only for recreational use!! i know people that have been taking them for years insteed of drinking (just on the weekends and stuff) and I havnt seen any adverse affects, im not saying there aint any, and if taken all the time then yes they will fuck you up...

just my observations...

it all depends what sort of person you are and why you are taking the drugs i think, if its just a bit of weekend fun then sure, but i wouldnt suggest using them if ya depresed etc

[scumdog]

Hmm, first time you do any drug is the 'iffy' time - it may affect you in the way it normally would be expected to - or if you're the unfortunate 'rare' person it may fry some part of your brain for life.:crazy:

[yungatart]

I have seen three generations of one family totally ruined by drugs- yeah, they're all surviving-in prison, foster care, psych units- but they aren't living. My advice - FWIW- stay away from them

[Grahameeboy]

Just something on my mind... rant warning...

This year I've had the pleasure of meeting some bloody amasing people who have "survived" drugs. There lives have been affected by them, and/or they came out the far side - seemingly richer in experience, but having lost something at the same time/in the process.

One of them is on here - he can introduce himself if he sees the need - and if not. Either way - you have my respect. The fact your a good bastard doesn't hurt.

Others (not on here) carry on despite the hardships or adversities they did face or are currently facing.

For the record - they're fucken awful things. I can't imagine the amount of damage they do, but the good they do seems pretty bloody paltry - a buzz for a bit - oh yay. Anyone out there using, or thinking of using them... sort your shit out. If you need help get it, and if you don't need help, get it anyway.

I'll stop now - I'm not sure if I'm making a tit of myself or not, but it's on my mind...

end rant
MDU

Nah you are not making a tit of yourself and good on you for speaking out......but in the same breath we are all fragile so we still have to have some compassion and help those who need it.
I personally have a lot to cope with having a disabled Daughter and a Wife who ran away and 'acceptance' not drugs is the only way to deal with things plus being able to escape on my SV is better than any drugs.....plus of course my gorgeous little girl...Anyway, who needs drugs wen you have this site eh? What ever some may say about the moaning etc all the KB guys/gals are cool.
Merry Christmas and take care you guys.....
:-):drinkup:

[Waylander]

It's not the illigals I mind so much as the ones the doctors keep trying to feed me.

[Grahameeboy]

It's not the illigals I mind so much as the ones the doctors keep trying to feed me.

Are you sure they are real Doctors??

[Waylander]

Are you sure they are real Doctors??
They seem to be, although no one else is able to see them at times.

[Goblin]

Because recreational drugs can't be monitored or regulated, they can be dangerous. What really gets on my wick is doctors who prescride "Mind Altering" drugs(all the pams eg:clonazapam, diazapam, amitriptaline etc...) and prozac and such, without doing any tests for why they have these symptoms. Often it can be something as simple as a lack of iron in the diet. People who go to doctors feeling "down" will willingly take any drug a doctor prescribes and think its ok cos doctor said so. And these same people have the cheek to call pot smokers junkies...WTF is with that?

[Grahameeboy]

They seem to be, although no one else is able to see them at times.

Arrhh....those kind eh?.......do you find that at times you feel tied down unable to move your arms.......or if you are really unlucky, unable to fart??

[DMNTD]

The fact is is that they will screw ya up eventually:weird: ..I know.
Yet in my opinion what's wrong with a "puff" on occassion? A lot less negatives than piss that's for sure. Sad when people judge drugs by the gross missuse by idiots.
I've had more problems with a decade of painkillers from the doc! Terrible stuff,bad side effects.

[Waylander]

Nah can't say that I have. Though there have been times when my arms did not feel asif they were under my control. I could move them but they didn't go where I wanted them to and it didn't feel like I was the one moving them. Only time I've had trouble farting is when I'mon the bike. Seat doesn't seem to let air flow so I have to lift up a bit to let it out. Is that the reason sportbike riders hop around on and off the seat so much?

[Str8 Jacket]

My aunty is bipolar schzicophrenic (sp??) she is in her 60's now. She is unablr to look after herself and cannot be around people for very long... A few years ago I was having a ciggie with her one Xmas and she started asking me about drugs and if id tried any... she told me how she was once head girl of Dio... College (auck) she was really bright and had no worries. When she was 22 she tried acid for the first time, she has been mentally ill since. Im not saying I dont try drugs, nor do I judge those that do, however this is always in the back of my mind...

BTW, my sig is kind of ironic....

[onearmedbandit]

I have seen three generations of one family totally ruined by drugs- yeah, they're all surviving-in prison, foster care, psych units- but they aren't living. My advice - FWIW- stay away from them

Stay away from this family, no problem. But hey lets face it how many peoples lives have been destroyed by alcohol. Sorry to bring it up, but I get sick and tired of people generalising with drugs and ignoring alcohol. Yes I do use marijuana regularly, not because of so-called pain relief but because I enjoy it. I enjoy it a lot more than alcohol without a doubt. I've been a regular smoker for a long long time now. I'm in good health, I manage a large car yard with 15 staff under me, I have a beautiful daughter who is fit, smart, confident, funny. I have a wonderfdul wife who doesn't smoke anything or drink and I have another child on the way. I do not need help, however those who think I do should maybe look in the mirror before generalising me and drugs.

I also don't mind chomping on the odd tab, never had any issues with that either.

Flame away.

[Str8 Jacket]

Stay away from this family, no problem. But hey lets face it how many peoples lives have been destroyed by alcohol. Sorry to bring it up, but I get sick and tired of people generalising with drugs and ignoring alcohol. Yes I do use marijuana regularly, not because of so-called pain relief but because I enjoy it. I enjoy it a lot more than alcohol without a doubt. I've been a regular smoker for a long long time now. I'm in good health, I manage a large car yard with 15 staff under me, I have a beautiful daughter who is fit, smart, confident, funny. I have a wonderfdul wife who doesn't smoke anything or drink and I have another child on the way. I do not need help, however those who think I do should maybe look in the mirror before generalising me and drugs.

I also don't mind chomping on the odd tab, never had any issues with that either.

Flame away.

Nah, good on you for being honest. Normal happy people take grugs for no other reason than they enjoy them.

[Grahameeboy]

The fact is is that they will screw ya up eventually:weird: ..I know.
Yet in my opinion what's wrong with a "puff" on occassion? A lot less negatives than piss that's for sure. Sad when people judge drugs by the gross missuse by idiots.
I've had more problems with a decade of painkillers from the doc! Terrible stuff,bad side effects.


Agree nothing wrong from occasional puff....I know more people fucked from piss.....one of my mates in UK died from it...funny world we live in.......illegal to buy/smoke drugs.....legal subject to age to buy/drink piss which affects more people....oh and fills up the Govt's Super Fund.....p

[Grahameeboy]

Nah can't say that I have. Though there have been times when my arms did not feel asif they were under my control. I could move them but they didn't go where I wanted them to and it didn't feel like I was the one moving them. Only time I've had trouble farting is when I'mon the bike. Seat doesn't seem to let air flow so I have to lift up a bit to let it out. Is that the reason sportbike riders hop around on and off the seat so much?

Yeah I heard that the handling on the XV sometimes takes over.......I just lift one cheek......

[DMNTD]

...but I get sick and tired of people generalising with drugs and ignoring alcohol. Yes I do use marijuana regularly, not because of so-called pain relief but because I enjoy it.....I've been a regular smoker for a long long time now. I'm in good health, I manage a large car yard with 15 staff under me... I do not need help, however those who think I do should maybe look in the mirror before generalising me and drugs...I also don't mind chomping on the odd tab, never had any issues with that either.
Flame away.

Nah mate...bling to you! An excellent example of what "an occassional" is like:niceone:

[ktulu]

Yeah I don't like drugs, don't particularly like the effects of people I care about doing drugs. Also I don't even drink much or take drugs like panadol. Not entirely sure why, but its my choice.

I don't hold it against people that they get stoned occasionally or hit the piss real hard, its there choice, I'm happy with mine and I hope they're happy with theirs.

The strange thing about this though is that it would be much easier for me to do all of these things as a lot of the people i am friends with do and I'm not a christian or anything, but there are other things in life I enjoy more.

Getting out on a bike or going down for a game of squash makes me far more excited than sitting on the deck at my house stoned out of my mind and enjoying "getting high"

But hey, each to their own.

I hope everyone has a safe christmas

[enigma51]

Yeah drugs kill or is that speed cant always remember





MDU I know what you saying!

[ManDownUnder]

Stay away from this family, no problem. But hey lets face it how many peoples lives have been destroyed by alcohol. Sorry to bring it up, but I get sick and tired of people generalising with drugs and ignoring alcohol. Yes I do use marijuana regularly, not because of so-called pain relief but because I enjoy it. I enjoy it a lot more than alcohol without a doubt. I've been a regular smoker for a long long time now. I'm in good health, I manage a large car yard with 15 staff under me, I have a beautiful daughter who is fit, smart, confident, funny. I have a wonderfdul wife who doesn't smoke anything or drink and I have another child on the way. I do not need help, however those who think I do should maybe look in the mirror before generalising me and drugs.

I also don't mind chomping on the odd tab, never had any issues with that either.

Flame away.

Tell ya what - no flames from me...

I've given my opinion - you've given yours. I'm the first to admit know shit about the wierd and wonderful drugs that are out there, but from what I've seen and heard the risks are high enough, and the losses can be great.

You make a good point about the alcohol. I'll admit that is my drug of choice and I am happy enough to use or avoid it. I'll also admit there is a lot of damage done in society as a result.

I started this thread out of my growing awareness for what's happening around me, and the chances I've had to sit and talk with a number of people and their experiences re drugs.

A couple of others made good points re prescription drugs... The only difference between them and non prescription drugs/natural herbal highs etc is that the drugs are being manufactured under very controlled circumstances (so they all come out the same... can you spell "Big Mac") and the people telling you to try them, and those dispensing are trained in the expected effects.

I am still loath to take the bloody things myself... I think the "quick fix" mentality has gone overboard too. Antibiotics for a cold? Nice one...

My main concern in this thread is with the P, crack, heroin, cocain, dope etc. I guess it's because I know nothing about them, and have only had the chance to observe their effects on occasion.

I also know I don't want to try them...

[skelstar]

They seem to be, although no one else is able to see them at times.
Its not "Doctor Robert" is it ;)

Doctor Robert
You're a new and better man
He help you to understand
He does everything he can
Doctor Robert

[yungatart]

Stay away from this family, no problem. But hey lets face it how many peoples lives have been destroyed by alcohol. Sorry to bring it up, but I get sick and tired of people generalising with drugs and ignoring alcohol. Yes I do use marijuana regularly, not because of so-called pain relief but because I enjoy it. I enjoy it a lot more than alcohol without a doubt. I've been a regular smoker for a long long time now. I'm in good health, I manage a large car yard with 15 staff under me, I have a beautiful daughter who is fit, smart, confident, funny. I have a wonderfdul wife who doesn't smoke anything or drink and I have another child on the way. I do not need help, however those who think I do should maybe look in the mirror before generalising me and drugs.

I also don't mind chomping on the odd tab, never had any issues with that either.

Flame away.
I definitely stay away from this family, but feel real sorry for the kids-3 of them-early teens and under, with their parents and older siblings in jail and them in foster care.Thy've been living in a house that was demolished because it was too badly contaminated by P to be cleaned up... not much chance for them eh? As for alcohol, was married to an alcoholic for a looong time- so you can't tell me anything there. I'm not generalising about you or anyone else, but I would still advise people to stay clear of drugs.

[onearmedbandit]

I too have advised certain people not to take drugs or to drink, doesn't go with their personality. However I'm sure most would be very suprised if they actually knew who was and who wasn't taking illegal drugs. Many many people who are users or even abusers do not show any outward signs of their use. However as human nature dictates we only take note of those who have gone off the rails.

Leave the rest of us drug-addled hippy flare wearing flowers-in-our-hair lava lamp lovers VW Kombi driving people alone okay? (PT)

[*sic]

first and foremost, i like to live by the rule.

You cant claim to know something unless you have experienced it for yourself.

its how i train, its how i live.

i have no comments regarding the drugs / substances / situations that i have not personally experienced.

drugs in any form however are still a gamble..physiologically speaking, the effects can be so varied from each time the user takes a dose, as the body will be in a different condition to last time, sleep ammount, current mental state, any depression, or anxiety, or body injuries, fitness, immune system currently fighting anything.. hydration levels.. have you developed a immune system response from the last episode with the drug? so now you will have a allergic reaction?.

anyways, its personel choice what you do ingest / inject.. and i dont really give a rats unless i know you.

haha, eat up!

have fun, dont die.

[duckman]

Sooooo .... Whats evryones "take" on Legal drugs like ... Diamond Ice, Frenzy, london unground e.t.c.

I've tried alot of these when going out for big night and love it. I don't spend as much on drink and always have a fantastic time.
The hangovers can be a bit nasty ... but then alcohol can do the same.

Thoughts?????

[Str8 Jacket]

Sooooo .... Whats evryones "take" on Legal drugs like ... Diamond Ice, Frenzy, london unground e.t.c.

I've tried alot of these when going out for big night and love it. I don't spend as much on drink and always have a fantastic time.
The hangovers can be a bit nasty ... but then alcohol can do the same.

Thoughts?????

The effects the days following are alot worse to be honest

[duckman]

The effects the days following are alot worse to be honest
I've also tried those recovery pills you take before you go to bed ... sometimes they work a treat.

You go out allllll night and wake up feeling fine the next day (or the same day really). :woohoo:

[Str8 Jacket]

I've also tried those recovery pills you take before you go to bed ... sometimes they work a treat.

You go out allllll night and wake up feeling fine the next day (or the same day really). :woohoo:

Ah, ok ive never tried the recovery pills. Im not really into anything like that anymore. If its not natural then its only fucking with some part if your body... I find herbals make me lose my appetite for up to three days, and anyone that knows me knows I love my food!

[crashe]

Great comments from both sides of the fence...

I personally will not ride my bike with booze in me...
I will however drive my car with a couple (2 or 3) of drinks inside me.
I guess I see that I have 4 walls protecting me, while on the bike I need to be totally aware of everything happening around me.

But there are many who drink so much booze and then ride...
They are risking themselves, other riders (if in a group ride) and also other vehicle drivers. Even if they are still badly hungover the next day and still they ride.. sorry but the booze is still in their system and will effect their riding skills etc.

There are also those who will ride under the influence of drugs (illegal or legal drugs - when some of the legal drugs state avoid operating a vehicle). Again they are putting others at risk as well as themselves.

If I go to a pub or party on the bike then I ONLY drink coke or lemonade. I am not willing to risk myself or anyone else out there on the roads.

Yep I know many people who have a joint at parties etc... but that is only occassionally...... like at weekends.

I have seen the effects of drugs and booze on people.... and the long term effects it has on some.

Some people have that addictive gene in them that when they touch booze or drugs it will do strange things to them... not everyone has that.... which is great.

It is not nice for people to be addicated to booze or drugs....
as it is very hard to get clean and to stay clean...

[GSVR]

I enjoy riding motorbikes. Would never take any of that stuff as it really screws up your concentration and ability to control a motorcycle. Probably for days after you've actually taken the stuff.

[scumdog]

Most of these 'Natural Herbal High' type pills are neither natural nor herbal, most contain a fair dollop (scientific meadurement as used by the manufacturer) of BZP (1-Benzyl piperazine) which is a totally synthetic drug originally developed as a de-worming drug for live-stock - but it caused siezures in the animals so was dropped, now humans take it?????


In animals it takes 10mg per kg of body weight to cause siezures, the 'part-pill' volume is equal to 20mg per kg of body weight.:confused: :(

Just thought y'all might like to know - and rest assured you won't have worms!!! :yeah:

P.S. The 'manufacurers' of these pills are a tad casual about how much of what they put into them due to lack of Government say-so, you could be paying good money for something really toxic - or you could be paying it for sweet F.A.

[Colapop]

I don't have a story about drugs/alcohol but I do know that they f*ck ya up. If you have the sort of personality that 'wants more' either out of life or any sort of buzz that you're into then drugs/alcohol aren't for you.
If you're coming out the other side, good on you, if you're currently using and no harn is done thats fine too. The main problem with our species is that nothing is ever enough and it may not be you or someone you know but there will those out there that'll make sure that we all no about the effects that can result in too much.
Be safe KBers (and families and all) there are too many people out there who don't know when to stop.

[MrMelon]

Most of these 'Natural Herbal High' type pills are neither natural nor herbal, most contain a fair dollop (scientific meadurement as used by the manufacturer) of BZP (1-Benzyl piperazine) which is a totally synthetic drug originally developed as a de-worming drug for live-stock - but it caused siezures in the animals so was dropped, now humans take it?????


In animals it takes 10mg per kg of body weight to cause siezures, the 'part-pill' volume is equal to 20mg per kg of body weight.:confused: :(

Just thought y'all might like to know - and rest assured you won't have worms!!! :yeah:

P.S. The 'manufacurers' of these pills are a tad casual about how much of what they put into them due to lack of Government say-so, you could be paying good money for something really toxic - or you could be paying it for sweet F.A.


BZP is some nasty shit, especially with the way it's being sold to anyone who wants it from dairies and gas stations. It was originally designed as an alternative for P addicts to use to get themselves off it, but something went way wrong in the marketing and now everyone seems to be on it. The side effects are bad enough.. I'd hate to think how toxic it actually is to your body.

Having said that however I do enjoy a bit of a smoke occasionally, but it's all about having a balanced lifestyle. Wanna have a smoke? Then go for a run or play some sports or do something constructive as well. I've met plenty of people who are fucked up by having a closed mind who are completely straight.

I had a talk with the guy who originally brought BZP pills to market in Auckland last week. He's pretty disgusted with the way things have headed, so he's been doing some research into other substances which contain no BZP, but provide the same effect as mdma without as much of the toxicity. He's running a clinical trial of this stuff at the moment which is pretty fuckin good (or so I'm told) yet you feel fine the next day. No stomach cramps/wanting to die/unable to sleep. Sure he's going to make a crapload of money if this stuff gets to market, but at least it's a step towards reducing harm to the users and giving a legal alternative to people who would otherwise buy pills and possibly face jail.

[DMNTD]

I reckon the big differences are
Occasional use
Use
Abuse

Three very different things and therefore results.:yeah:
Abuse anything and I mean anything and it ain't no good now is it;)

[Goblin]

Most of these 'Natural Herbal High' type pills are neither natural nor herbal, most contain a fair dollop (scientific meadurement as used by the manufacturer) of BZP (1-Benzyl piperazine) which is a totally synthetic drug originally developed as a de-worming drug for live-stock - but it caused siezures in the animals so was dropped, now humans take it?????


In animals it takes 10mg per kg of body weight to cause siezures, the 'part-pill' volume is equal to 20mg per kg of body weight.:confused: :(

Just thought y'all might like to know - and rest assured you won't have worms!!! :yeah:

P.S. The 'manufacurers' of these pills are a tad casual about how much of what they put into them due to lack of Government say-so, you could be paying good money for something really toxic - or you could be paying it for sweet F.A.
Very interesting scumdog.....I have always wondered about these so called Herbal Pills lots of people go on about. Been offered them on a few occaisions and always been reluctant to try....now I know I will never try them. Thanks for the ino.

[Lou Girardin]

Drugs never hurt me, I'm just the same as I never was.
Besides, if they can't kill Keith Richard they can't be that bad.

[ManDownUnder]

Besides, if they can't kill Keith Richard they can't be that bad.

Keith's been brain dead for years... it just hasn't managed how to tell his heart to stop beating...

[Colapop]

I thought that was the preservatives. There's so much drugs in that system there aint nothing alive in there not even the bugs!

[Matt Bleck]

Besides, if they can't kill Keith Richard they can't be that bad.

lol, he looks like the walking dead....

[Badcat]

Nah, good on you for being honest. Normal happy people take grugs for no other reason than they enjoy them.

there are a lot of people on this list that have little or no experience with drugs that are very quick to label drug users as addicts or morons.

remember how we hate to be called idiots because we ride those nasty dangerous motorbikes?

and then there are a few people on this list who have had some serious "disco days" in their past, and have moved on, as you do.

remember, being called an idiot by someone who has no idea what they are talking about is still irritating.

Merry Xmas.

[Lou Girardin]

Keith's been brain dead for years... it just hasn't managed how to tell his heart to stop beating...

Then he's playing those riffs by instinct. He'll need a sound proof coffin for sure.

[Hitcher]

Don't get me started on the whole crock of shit that goes with the words "recreational drugs". The only people fooled by such a description are those who use them. Self-medication with mind-altering substances is a very seductive and dangerous space. Avoid at all costs.

[onearmedbandit]

Would you class alcohol as a 'recreational drug'? Genuine question.

[crashe]

Would you class alcohol as a 'recreational drug'? Genuine question.



ahhhhhhhh yep as alcohol is classed as a drug.
IMHO.

[Hitcher]

Would you class alcohol as a 'recreational drug'? Genuine question.
Yes I would. Genuine answer. But trying to categorise a highly regulated substance in the same manner as other "recreational" drugs is a similar ploy as that used by fundamentalist Christians and "Intelligent Design" versus evolution.

Fortunately alcohol is marketed in a manner that has highly stringent controls governing its purity, and generally its "dose" is significantly diluted (it's really hard to do much damage on a stubbie of Tui). If most alcohol that was available was manufactured and distributed in a similar manner to that associated with many other recreational drugs (i.e. by illiterate crack-heads with a bucket chemistry set in their basement, using ingredients of indeterminate pedigree and large measures of greed and opportunism) I may have a different view about its widespread availability.

[jahmin]

Just to clarify... marijuana is not a drug...its an 'erb...

[Joni]

I suppose everyone has an opinion on this one.

A very close family member sufferes from an illness that causes tremendous pain, they landed up taking prescribed morphine everyday to keep it under control. After hearing that the "herb" would relieve the pain they started smoking it... yes indeed it did relieve the pain, and yes everything seemed rosy for a while. I noticed the smoking became more and more and was told they are trying to "regulate" the amount they smoke in order for them to be as pain free as possible... I think, huh ok... move on. Skip to 3 years later, my dear family member who once was a vibrant mind, with drive for work, life and generally enthisiatic but happened to suffer from pain. They are now listless, with no memory, no drive, no self control, paranoid all the time, argumentative and generally a not very nice person. Skip another 2 years, after finding a new way to handle the pain, lots of councelling, they are sort of themselves again... except memory is stuffed, brain seems not to have recovered as well, sure not the brilliant mind I grew up near to.

So, for me... and yes once again its a personal opinion driven by personal experience... drugs, be they "recreational" or what ever else they are used for should be avoided. What makes us individuals are our minds and our out looks on life. A substance that alters that and changes the core person for the bad cannot be good.

:violin:

[onearmedbandit]

To clarify, I would not call Herion or P recreational drugs. Just my definition. I would however refer (or should that be reefer) to marijuana as a recreational drug. It may seem like a double standard to some, but I am strongly against Heroin, P, Coke etc. Once again, my own standpoint. But none of these drugs will ever get near me.

[pete376403]

Yes I would. Genuine answer. But trying to categorise a highly regulated substance in the same manner as other "recreational" drugs is a similar ploy as that used by fundamentalist Christians and "Intelligent Design" versus evolution.

If most alcohol that was available was manufactured and distributed in a similar manner to that associated with many other recreational drugs (i.e. by illiterate crack-heads with a bucket chemistry set in their basement, using ingredients of indeterminate pedigree and large measures of greed and opportunism) I may have a different view about its widespread availability.
You have pretty much described the bathub gin that was made during prohibition - sometimes it was ok and sometimes it was instant blindness.

[BuFfY]

Would you class alcohol as a 'recreational drug'? Genuine question.

A lot of things are now being classed as drugs, one being coffee because it has ingredients in it that can be addictive... the fact is that it depends on what circles you are involved with.

I personally do not like drugs, yeah I drink but not to excess. But that is just the way I choose to live my life! I value my braincells!! and I find it kinda weird that people need to take stuff to make the most out of life. I prefer to get a buzz out of helping someone or getting a good compliment.. but that is just me!:sunny:

[Edbear]

Got addicted to painkillers when prescribed Dihydracodeine, (DHC), wound up in a wheelchair and off work for six years! Was sposed to take 8mths to wean off it after trying twice and seeing my local GP to work out a withdrawal program. Did it in 5mths but it was a living hell! Four Neurologists couldn't tell me why I was in a wheelchair and getting weaker by the month though the drug has been around for nearly 100 years! Within a month of getting off it I was out of the 'chair! Been a long 3 1/2 years since but been back working for 2 1/2 years now and continuing to get stronger. Still can't get out on the bike as often as I'd like, but really appreciate a second chance at living! You take being able to stand up and walk for granted, but it really sucks when you can't!

[Biff]

Yes I would...fundamentalist Christians and "Intelligent Design" versus evolution.

Fortunately alcohol is marketed in a manner that has highly stringent controls governing its purity, and generally its "dose" is significantly diluted (it's really hard to do much damage on a stubbie of Tui). If most alcohol that was available was manufactured and distributed in a similar manner to that associated with many other recreational drugs (i.e. by illiterate crack-heads with a bucket chemistry set in their basement, using ingredients of indeterminate pedigree and large measures of greed and opportunism) I may have a different view about its widespread availability.

So you're saying (some) illicit drugs should/could be legalised in order to maintain quality control?

My 2c:

The main problem 'society' have with illegal drugs is that they generalise - placing all illegal drugs into a neat, broad category. This is rubbish.

Biff's drugs classifications (of the most common illegal drugs):

Class A - Evil, Nasty, Avoid Like The Plague
Heroin, P, Crack Cocaine etc.

Class B - Be Very Careful. Can Bite. Do Not Use For Extended Periods of Time. Moderation.
Cocaine, Ecstasy, Speed, Acid, LSD (including any other mind altering drug, legal or illegal).

Class C - Not Something You Want To Be Doing Everyday.
Pot (cannabis etc)

The increasing use of class A and B drugs is partly to blame for the rising level of crime throughout the western world (Burglary, muggings, thefts and such like). Not that some loosers don't steal in order to pay for a tinnie of smoke mind you. Scum are scum. But I wonder how the stats stack up against the increasing number of alcohol related crimes?

IMO - To consider the consumption of alcohol as socially acceptable, yet criminalise the consumption of all class C and some class B drugs is hypocrisy.

I'm with Hitcher - Legalise some illicit drugs and ensure that we all at least have the legal right, should we so choose, to enjoy some quality chemicals.

I bet my left testicle the crime rate would fall.

[Waylander]

I'm with Hitcher - Legalise some illicit drugs and ensure that we all at least have the legal right, should we so choose, to enjoy some quality chemicals.

I bet my left testicle the crime rate would fall.
And give the government something else to tax so MAYBE they will lower the petrol tax or our ACC levies or something.

[boomer]

'SHROOOMS!!!!

i've paid the price, my memory is fecked but ive managed to get by and ive got some wicked memories of gettin bolloxed in farmers sheds and running around the country(s) like a fukin headless chicken in love !!!

Drugs are bad, mkay?

:wari:

[Mad Cow]

This topic could be debated forever and there are no right or wrong answers, just lots of opinions. I think we are all adults and therefore have a choice what we take and don't take in the form of drugs. Some are illegal and for me would be career suicide if I was caught with them (the medical profession tends to frown on staff being stoned!).
Seen as we are all giving our opinions I think whatever floats your boat as long as no one innocent ever gets hurt is fine with me! As long as it is your choice and not something someone else has put in a drink etc!

[Badcat]

'SHROOOMS!!!!

i've paid the price, my memory is fecked but ive managed to get by and ive got some wicked memories of gettin bolloxed in farmers sheds and running around the country(s) like a fukin headless chicken in love !!!

Drugs are bad, mkay?

:wari:

right there with you bOOmer.
spent a long time in amsterdam.
gotta love the vaccum packed retail shrooms.
"oh, i'll have some thai, and some mexican please"
<sigh>

[boomer]

nothing like fresh picked from the park mate as an appertizer before the jungle kicked in.

Hey each to there own i say, we know the law we choose our own outcomes :D

MadCow - Thats why i gave up, my career kicked off and teh choice was made but im glad i have my memories :D

[T.W.R]

been there done that with a lot more chemicals thans been mentioned in this thread. Joys of a adventurous youth i suppose, and time has calmed the spirit some what these days.
I've seen first hand the effects of serious drug abuse by what were friends & associates
and IMO man made drugs do a damn sight more damage to people & their families & friends than natural drugs

you never see a nasty or violent pot smoker but theres plenty of violent drunks, far to many violent P fuel criminals, and various numbers of walking zombie fuelled Crackheads, PCP wasters, heroin junkies.

the effect pot has on a person depends on that persons metabolisim just the same as alcahol effects people in different ways, some can handle it & some can't.

myself i'd rather spend $30 on a good bag get blown for the night have a good time laughing & enjoying company and be able to do things the next day rather than spend well over $100 to try & enjoy myself, having to nurse someone whos violently ill, defuse arguements that usually lead to violence and waking up the next day with a head that feels like a califlower & get around like death warmed up.
and as for party pills & Nos ha what a joke its bloody dangerous crap & NOS belongs either at the dentists/Doctors or in bottles to feed engines.

my 5c worth:niceone:

[onearmedbandit]

Funny thing. I saw an ad on tv last night with stats (Yes I know, can be twisted etc.) that said over 70% of weekend A&E admissions are alcohol related. FFS. We lock up someone for growing and smoking some gear in their own home doing no harm to anyone (other than maybe themselves) yet a drug that is accountable for soooo much violence supports our national sport along with many other activicties. Honestly, I walk away shaking my head. I'm not saying this is reason enough to legalise or even decriminalise marijuana but surely we need to open our eyes to the abuse of alcohol.

BTW, I have never ever received so much green bling (rep) from one thread. Thanks for the support from you all.

[inlinefour]

Illicit substances are shyte. I say this even though, yes, I've tried some of them in the past. I've watched a few friends die from them and then there is the place I work.
I work, generally in the secure side of the inpatient psychiatric unit. I get to see the extremely bad side of substance abuse on a regular basis these days. When I started 3 years ago, it was very rare to have a substance induced problem. These days its a common occurrance. In 3 more years, I suspect that death might be a common thing if it continues to snowball as it is.
I've viewed and dealt with so much shyte there that I'd never even consider using anything again. I've sacked a multitude of friends in the past who could not accept that I was moving on. With all the crap I've seen as a result of substance use, I wish we could send young people through to see the real side of substance use/abuse. Yea there might be people out there who use and can get away with it with nil or minor problems (health, social, financial etc), but substance use creates so much harm its obscene. Anyone with a functioning brain would reel from half the shyte I see in my place of work. The other half might just make it to one of these fine establishments one day.:devil2:

[onearmedbandit]

Yes inline, you do deal with the worst cases don't you. I'm sure from what you see every day you have good reason to not want to use. But from my perspective I see a different light. How about doctors who see the harmful effects of motorcycles. I remember when I had to go into hospital for doctors to 'show and tell' me to younger doctors. He turned to one and said to him, "this is why I suggest you get rid of that death machine you insist on riding."

Get my point?

[inlinefour]

Yes inline, you do deal with the worst cases don't you. I'm sure from what you see every day you have good reason to not want to use. But from my perspective I see a different light. How about doctors who see the harmful effects of motorcycles. I remember when I had to go into hospital for doctors to 'show and tell' me to younger doctors. He turned to one and said to him, "this is why I suggest you get rid of that death machine you insist on riding."

Get my point?

And I don't have a problem with people doing illicits in their life. As long as it does not involve me. Its all about individual choise.:niceone:

[onearmedbandit]

Agreed inline. As long as you are not harming anyone else or their property, more power to you.

[T.W.R]

OAB it sounds as if we've both ventured down the same path of being guinea pigs for so-called Surgeons & specialists, being put up infront of a panel of doctors & interns just so they can scratch their heads to work out what to do! with all the crap i went through with my destroyed elbow i was on meds that required me to visit the hsopital every 2wks to make sure the crap wasn't wrecking my kidneys! ( 10yrs, & 7 operations & they still can't fix the damn thing next stop artificial elbow or fuse it in place)
ILF seen your side of it aswell having friends commit suicide & having 1 mate attempt it twice & cousin hang themselves & other relatives give birth to a baby that only lived for 48hrs because it was so damaged from drugs that the mother had been taking ( both parents were wrapped up in a fucked up religious cult ).

[onearmedbandit]

Oh yeah. 'Does this hurt? Does this hurt? Does this hurt? Ahh good. Now everyone watch the patients reaction as I stab him in the back with this pin. Notice the pain he is in? Now that is directly related to the damage he has done to his spine." No it's fucken not, it's directly related to you stabbing a great big fucken pin in my back you cunt.

[scumdog]

Agreed inline. As long as you are not harming anyone else or their property, more power to you.

I agree. But I have to deal with the aftermath that leaves the flotsam and jetsum of society eddying around, creating social problems and affecting a lot of others.
O.A.B.s analogy about motorbikes is true up to a point - they at least can be used in a practical manner as transport.
Recreational drugs?? (In best Al Borland voice) "I don't think so Tim"

[onearmedbandit]

I agree. But I have to deal with the aftermath that leaves the flotsam and jetsum of society eddying around, creating social problems and affecting a lot of others.

But this is in effect damaging others property or harming whether phyiscally or emotionally other people.



O.A.B.s analogy about motorbikes is true up to a point - they at least can be used in a practical manner as transport.
Recreational drugs?? (In best Al Borland voice) "I don't think so Tim"

True true, but it is my choice. And I know I am harming no-one else. A friend cultivates, I receive and smoke in the comfort of my home (well outside actually). At no stage does any proper crime get committed.

[Ixion]

..
the effect pot has on a person depends on that persons metabolisim just the same as alcahol effects people in different ways, some can handle it & some can't.

..:

This is true. I've never bothered with it myself, because the couple of times I tried it when young it did absolutely nothing for me. No good, no bad. Everyone else was passing it round, puffing away, and gradually getting all laughy and giggly and zonked out. I'd puff and puff and puff, and ask "Uh OK, what's supposed to happen ?" Absolutely no effect no matter how I puffed. So I never could see any point in bothering. Incidentally, never smoked tobacco either, for the same reason.

[Str8 Jacket]

Its all about individual choise.:niceone:
That statement reads volumes for me! We all know or know of someone who has suffered form drug use... We probably all know people that take drugs reguarly and you would'nt ever know.
At the end of the day it is a personal choice if we want to put something that could be potentially bad into our systems or not. You dont know if your gonna wake up everyday, nor do you know what the effect of any drug could have on you until you do it.
I live by one rule, Live life to the fullest you only get one. Take that how you want.

[avgas]

I replaced drugs with bikes many years ago.
I guess it was the more fun of the two evils at the time.
As for all the drug-user-bashing. Its attitudes like that, that make the situation worse. MDU i dissagree with your comment, its like someone barking at you that bikes are evil/bad/dangerous.......dont do it man. There are alot of looser in the world that arent on drugs, likewise there are people out there that are on drugs that are the nicest people.
Just like riding a bike, you cant be against it - untill you try it

[vifferman]

Dunno 'bout "mind-altering", but the various prescription drugs I've been on in the last few years have been brain fucking drugs, if not life-wrecking. Thank goodness for a supportive wife (eventually). :wacko:

[Teflon]

Theres nothing like a good E.. true bliss

[SixPackBack]

15 years of chronic, constant pot usage culminating with the sale of a Ducati Monster and subsequent purchase of its worth in Marijuana have left this biker bitter......took at least a year to give up, and just when I thought it was all behind me my brother in law died from health complications brought about by 'P' use.
Need help giving up? let me help, I have been through the wringer and know the true pleasure of a straight life.
Think Pot is OK..your wrong! one of the most insidious drugs known will reprogramme you whilst fooling you everything is normal.

[scumdog]

True true, but it is my choice. And I know I am harming no-one else. A friend cultivates, I receive and smoke in the comfort of my home (well outside actually). At no stage does any proper crime get committed.

And more power to you - BUT a lot of drug-demotivated non-working people commit crimes (fraud, burglary, theft,) to buy the cannabis from the likes of your grower friend. (By no means saying HE sells to the likes of them)

[onearmedbandit]

Please SPB, enlighten me how this 'insidious' drug has reprogrammed me into thinking everything is normal. To meet me no-one would know that I smoke 'pot'. Even when people get to know me well, it still surprises them. In fact I've had difficulty convincing people I do smoke. So come on, please don't ignore this message because I am taking you seriously. You are speaking from experience, experience that I can relate to (ie consumption) so I'm very interested in your perspective. PM me if you don't want to discuss it on the forum.

[onearmedbandit]

And more power to you - BUT a lot of drug-demotivated non-working people commit crimes (fraud, burglary, theft,) to buy the cannabis from the likes of your grower friend. (By no means saying HE sells to the likes of them)

And some people commit crimes to buy motorcycles like yours and mine SD. Does that mean the motorcycle is to blame? Or is it human nature? Or is it peer pressure? Whatever it is it is not the end products fault. Kind of like suing Toyota because one of their cars was used in a bank robbery. Kind of like class action taken against Judas Priest in the '90's by the parents of two drop-kicks who decided to lock themselves in a room replaying a J.P. song then trying to top themselves. One suceeded, the other didn't. The judge threw the case out.

Sure crimes are committed by people aiming to get drugs, be it standover tactics by dealers, burglaries to fence goods to buy drugs etc. I most certainly am not disputing that. Neither is a good school friend of mine who was murdered at a bottle store up the road from me over a hip-flask of JD. Gave the guy the goods, put his hands up and boom, one to the chest. So lets ban alcohol......

What gets me is that if the police want to, they could have over a barrel for possession all because in the comfort of my own home I want to relax with a quick billie. I contribute to society, I do not commit crimes other than minor traffic offences occassionally (no-one innocent of that here), I take pride in myself and my family, I conduct myself in a pleasant manner, I help little old ladies cross the street. But fuck me this wouldn't mean shit if I got caught with a few grammes of bud (especially if was over 28gm), oh no I would be just another good-for-nothing waste-on-society loser. Well fuck that, I won't put up with shit.

Yes I am passionate about things I believe in.

[scumdog]

Your comparisons are a little tenuous in places - often the motorbike thieves are also non-working drug users too - in MY experience, as the ads say "your results may vary"

Each to their own, if you can function and use cannabis too well good on you but I see too many of lifes losers sitting around, not working, stealing stuff to sell, buying overpriced tinnies and having as much input into society as a slater (o.k., their place may be to make the rest of us feel good I suppose)

You are one of the exceptions I guess.

[onearmedbandit]

Regarding my comparison, yes I agree that probably the majority of these thieves are drug users. It is very unfortunate for the likes of me that the drug I choose to indulge in is highly popular with the criminal element through consumption and control of sales. And I, as no doubt a lot of other people like myself, have met and dealt with some 'heavies'. Not a nice experience really, although when you are young and impressionable it can be very exciting. Sneaking over the railtracks to the 'wrong side of town' kind of thing. (And maybe that is partly why so many of our youth try it. It's illegal, it's readily available, you or someone you know has to be 'sneaky' to get it, you have to be 'sneak' away to have a smoke. The inquisitive nature of the young means a lot will give it a try, either to see what it is all about or to give in to peer pressure. So is education the answer? Maybe, but currently as the debate over its effects is raging parents etc will argue that it is only introducing more young people to the drug. So if we can not agree whether to educate or not and for that matter what its effects are, there is no way the drug is going to become decriminalised or legalised soon.)

But now things for me are different. I've matured, gained experience and through that hopefully some wisdom, and also received more serious responsibilities. I've been lucky enough to have never been in serious trouble with the police, shit the last time I spoke to one other than break-ins at work or traffic related would've been over 10yrs ago.

[Teflon]

Thats not very nice inlinefour. Just because i have a different life style to you doesn't make me a dickhead.

I'm about to have a cry and start a FUCK KB thread, because you have really hurt my feelings...

[Str8 Jacket]

I'm about to have a cry and start a FUCK KB thread, because you have really hurt my feelings...

Arrgh, it could have been a red rep mate. Honestly who gives a toss about rep anyway.... ?!
Just be happy that even though you take drugs you are not paranoid about your world turning to shit...

[inlinefour]

Thats not very nice inlinefour. Just because i have a different life style to you doesn't make me a dickhead.

I'm about to have a cry and start a FUCK KB thread, because you have really hurt my feelings...

I don't care if I have hurt your feelings or what ever your going to do as a result. In my opinion anyone who thinks methamphetamine is OK, is just a dickhead.:whocares:

[boomer]

I don't care if I have hurt your feelings or what ever your going to do as a result. In my opinion anyone who thinks methamphetamine is OK, is just a dickhead.:whocares:

Well theres lots of dickheads about then... But to straighten things up Teflon referred to E not speed, nor P, or meths or anything else.. just E's obviously assuming they're pure E's (MDMA) and not mixed with Meths or Ket or .. :motu:

Inline.. It's not all black and white mate... here you go, lets lighten things up....the top 5 Greatest pop songs;


THE SHAMEN : 'EBENEEZER GOODE'
THE STRANGLERS 'GOLDEN BROWN'
MUSICAL YOUTH : 'PASS THE DUTCHIE'
THE BEATLES : 'LUCY IN THE SKY WITH DIAMONDS'
PETER, PAUL AND MARY : 'PUFF THE MAGIC DRAGON'

[Str8 Jacket]

I don't care if I have hurt your feelings or what ever your going to do as a result. In my opinion anyone who thinks methamphetamine is OK, is just a dickhead.:whocares:

Sorry dude, E is not methamphetimine.... might wanna read carefully before flaming

[boomer]

Sorry dude, E is not methamphetimine.... might wanna read carefully before flaming

True in the medical sense but different on the street... E's can and do contain lotsa shit they shouldn't; Here... What ya buying? (http://www.ecstasydata.org/results.php?A=List&OldSort=DTD&NewSort=&Start=0&Max=25) :sherlock:

[Str8 Jacket]

True in the medical sense but different on the street... E's can and do contain lotsa shit they shouldn't; Here... What ya buying? (http://www.ecstasydata.org/results.php?A=List&OldSort=DTD&NewSort=&Start=0&Max=25) :sherlock:

Dont disagree with you at all, just saying that people should actually read before they flame. Pure MDMA is not metham.....Im not saying that it doesnt have a negative effect on one, just not entirely the same.

[inlinefour]

Sorry dude, E is not methamphetimine.... might wanna read carefully before flaming

As far as Im aware XTC, E, whatever you wish to call it is merely another form of methamphetimine. See http://mdma.net/mdma.html for a rather technical explanation of the illicit substance. I stand by what I previously stated and if someone is going to get upset over it, I really don't care. Red rep me if you must, but I have got my facts straight.:motu:

[Str8 Jacket]

As far as Im aware XTC, E, whatever you wish to call it is merely another form of methamphetimine. See http://mdma.net/mdma.html for a rather technical explanation of the illicit substance. I stand by what I previously stated and if someone is going to get upset over it, I really don't care. Red rep me if you must, but I have got my facts straight.:motu:

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. Rep does not matter. You are entitiled (sp?) to your opinion, as is anyone. I just dont believe that you should flame people for THEIR opinion, understood?

[inlinefour]

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. Rep does not matter. You are entitiled (sp?) to your opinion, as is anyone. I just dont believe that you should flame people for THEIR opinion, understood?

I agree that anyone is entitled to their opinion. As I am entitled to state that anyone who thinks E is OK is a dickhead. Like I said before, build a bridge and get over it. Either that or go and have another session, up to you.:bleh: Feck, is there any other KBer here thats not into drugs?

[boomer]

As far as Im aware XTC, E, whatever you wish to call it is merely another form of methamphetimine. See http://mdma.net/mdma.html for a rather technical explanation of the illicit substance. I stand by what I previously stated and if someone is going to get upset over it, I really don't care. Red rep me if you must, but I have got my facts straight.:motu:

I hope you dont take cold remedies from the Chemist Inline????!!! :moon: It's worth noting Inline, Chemicals can be manufactured in different ways to effect different parts of the brain or body.. read your aticle and you may be a little wiser... Dont confuse P, Crack or GBH with other classay drugs... it aint the same;


As the Shamen said mate.. eezer Goode:wari:

[Str8 Jacket]

Ok, heres a perfect example, Im pissed right now. Been drinking since 3 or 4 this arvo and right now all I wanna do is "fight". I'll bet you that without a doubt, that if I had taken "mind altering substances" instead of drinking I would actually be out in town or with mates right now, having fun and not wishing to argue with anyone.... As I say its a personal choice, I just wish people could accept others as they themselves would like to be. I get more hassles from my friends and family for riding a motorbike than I ever got for smoking weed or indulging in "mind altering substances".

[Str8 Jacket]

Inlinefour, in response to your rep..... I usually AM stoned and non argumentative, but im staying at my olds and my dads a pastor so outta respect I do not do anything but drink while I am staying here.
Funny how im so wound up when im pissed eh?!

BTW I hate cowards like you, repping and pming nasty messages, whys that? If you believe so much in what your saying why dont you "hang all your dirty washing out".... hmm?

[Teflon]

I don't care if I have hurt your feelings or what ever your going to do as a result. In my opinion anyone who thinks methamphetamine is OK, is just a dickhead.:whocares:

Take what a post with a grain of salt. theres no way in hell you'll be able to hurt my feelings

[inlinefour]

Ok, heres a perfect example, Im pissed right now. Been drinking since 3 or 4 this arvo and right now all I wanna do is "fight". I'll bet you that without a doubt, that if I had taken "mind altering substances" instead of drinking I would actually be out in town or with mates right now, having fun and not wishing to argue with anyone.... As I say its a personal choice, I just wish people could accept others as they themselves would like to be. I get more hassles from my friends and family for riding a motorbike than I ever got for smoking weed or indulging in "mind altering substances".

I can't be bothered as I have said my piece. Have a read over this in the morning when the head has cleared. If your getting hassled about riding, then you need to learn to be assertive. I work with health professionals, as I am also one. I used to get hassled about riding motorcycles, but some well put conversations along with some good assertive skills helped people respect my decision to ride. How about we agree to disagree here SJ, have a drink for me as I'm currently at work and its quiet and boring.:wacko:

[Str8 Jacket]

Take what a post with a grain of salt. theres no way in hell you'll be able to hurt my feelings

Careful mate, he'll "rep" you again. :spudguita

[Str8 Jacket]

How about we agree to disagree here SJ, have a drink for me as I'm currently at work and its quiet and boring.:wacko:


Dont you work with physchotic mental people that have taken too many drugs?? Why dont you go try and fuck with their minds, im sure someone like you would enjoy that!

Oh yeah sorry would you have prefered if Id "repped" you with that message?..

Oh yeah, btw Im joking Ive had 4 beers and dinner im not pissed...

[kro]

I guess I'm an addict of sorts, but my addiction, is being unable to resist jumping on the bike, and going for even the shortest little splat down to the shops, or having a wee "pose" ride along the waterfront.

I tried pot a few times, but didnt like the way it fucked with my head, so I havent touched anything else. I can relate to people who dick around with drugs, because i understand the need for escape sometimes, but don't think its a good idea to dabble with the shit thats available these days, as it will so mess you up, it'll impact your life in a bum way.

Alcohol is a drug, and I partake, so I am not trying to sound all high and mighty, I just think the diff between a couple of beers every Friday is worlds away from smoking P every night.

[Badcat]

Alcohol is a drug, and I partake, so I am not trying to sound all high and mighty, I just think the diff between a couple of beers every Friday is worlds away from smoking P every night.

yep - and there's a big diff between a line of charlie on a friday and drinking till smashed every night also.

[inlinefour]

I hope you dont take cold remedies from the Chemist Inline????!!! :moon: It's worth noting Inline, Chemicals can be manufactured in different ways to effect different parts of the brain or body.. read your aticle and you may be a little wiser... Dont confuse P, Crack or GBH with other classay drugs... it aint the same;


As the Shamen said mate.. eezer Goode:wari:

As far as Im aware E & P are in the same class, butr yes have different chemical compisitions. I'm not stating I know much about drugs apart from the negative effects, classifications and compisition. For the record, cannabis is not an issue here for me. The only time cannabis can become a hassle is if there is a pre-existing thought disorder.

[T.W.R]

As far as Im aware E & P are in the same class, butr yes have different chemical compisitions. I'm not stating I know much about drugs apart from the negative effects, classifications and compisition. For the record, cannabis is not an issue here for me. The only time cannabis can become a hassle is if there is a pre-existing thought disorder.

they are in the same class ( Stimulants) along with caffine & cocaine and according the chart apart from caffine they've all had medical use in one way or another over the years.

edit: doesn't matter where they've originated from their something man made & as with every man made illicit drug its going to cause trouble

[MrMelon]

E is class B, P is class A. They're classified that way for a reason. Biff summed it up pretty much perfectly.

[boomer]

They're bad fullstop.. u make your choices you take your chances...sometimes blissfully, sometimes with ignorance and sometimes for the worst.

Inline, im fully aware that this shit can and does react differently with different people.. i go by the fact that if i know what im doing then its my choice.. see above. Its one of the greatest posessions I/we have. (may also be my/our biggest defect ;))

Some people on the other hand don't do the maths or may have that bad reaction;


Education is the way forward not dictation

[boomer]

yep - and there's a big diff between a line of charlie on a friday and drinking till smashed every night also.

my friend started off dropping tabs , some shrooms, poppin pills, snorting speed and found he preferred himself wrecked than pissed... he got a tad agro on the larger.

This scene then slowly but surely turned into hittin the Charlie occassionally.. then one day he had a wake up call when the occassional line with friends turned into getting wrecked at mates of mates places who were dealing and openly displayed guns. He considers himself lucky.

Unfortunately some people cant say no, have addictive personalities, are led too easily and some do have that reaction.. happens teh same way in other walks of life too, we are after all, only human.

What i dont enjoy is being told by someone what i can and cant do, hey im ugly enough to make my own deciscions thankyou very much :blip:

[inlinefour]

They're bad fullstop.. u make your choices you take your chances...sometimes blissfully, sometimes with ignorance and sometimes for the worst.

Inline, im fully aware that this shit can and does react differently with different people.. i go by the fact that if i know what im doing then its my choice.. see above. Its one of the greatest posessions I/we have. (may also be my/our biggest defect ;))

Some people on the other hand don't do the maths or may have that bad reaction;


Education is the way forward not dictation

I'll have a big cup of shut the F$%K up and wish you all a merry (but not too merry:wacko: ) christmas and see you all after boxing day as Im off to Wangavegus to watch the racing:niceone:
Edit: thanks for all the green bling and positive PMs. Nice to know that Im not the bastard that some might make me out to be :moon:

[Pixie]

Most of these 'Natural Herbal High' type pills are neither natural nor herbal, most contain a fair dollop (scientific meadurement as used by the manufacturer) of BZP (1-Benzyl piperazine) which is a totally synthetic drug originally developed as a de-worming drug for live-stock - but it caused siezures in the animals so was dropped, now humans take it?????


In animals it takes 10mg per kg of body weight to cause siezures, the 'part-pill' volume is equal to 20mg per kg of body weight.:confused: :(

Just thought y'all might like to know - and rest assured you won't have worms!!! :yeah:

P.S. The 'manufacurers' of these pills are a tad casual about how much of what they put into them due to lack of Government say-so, you could be paying good money for something really toxic - or you could be paying it for sweet F.A.
By your measurements everyone who takes these should experience seizures?
Dopers must be more stupid than I thought.
Maybe I can make money hitting them in the head with an ice axe

[Pixie]

Frankly I find all drugs boring.
I have trouble putting up with people when they're sober,so I am not interested in having anything to do with them when they are acting like fuckwits on booze or what ever.
I ask you,have you ever been around someone how was pissed and was worth being around?
If so ,what for?The intelligent conversation?
Probably says more about the other person than the one that had been drinking.

[avgas]

DONT DO DRUGS......
You ride slow as it is :stupid:

On another note:
Everytime some buzzy people fuck up on a corner, TransitNZ remove it. Currently over 80% of all the corners in NZ have been removed through this tragedy. Currrently Coromandel and some sections of Northland have been scoped as the next target. So remember.....
If you smoke/drink ride/drive and die....everyone looses a corner
Now back to my medication