Bucket photos

[MSTRS]

Strictly speaking, this probably should be in the Racing section, but then heaps of you don't go there & would miss out.
I thought it a good idea to post photos of the various buckets out there -
1. To skite
2. For advice
3. For ideas
4. Whatever blows your hair back
Here's mine GS125 (was EddieB's) & hXc's RG50/CT125

[dangerous]

So whos is the Honda then?
Heres mine, CB125 twin and MT replica powered by a MB100.
I'll post the other local KBers up tomorow

[froggyfrenchman]

crappy computer is running too sloooooooooooow to see the pics!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarhgh

[hXc]

So whos is the Honda then?

**Put's hand up**

That'd be me

[Skunk]

Nothing to skite about (just a standard AX100) but here it is (was):

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Strictly speaking, this probably should be in the Racing section, but then heaps of you don't go there & would miss out.
I thought it a good idea to post photos of the various buckets out there -
1. To skite
2. For advice
3. For ideas
4. Whatever blows your hair back
Here's mine GS125 (was EddieB's) & hXc's RG50/CT125

Good pic's but how did the race day go? I was going to come but we got a bit side tracked. Long story......but good:niceone:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Nothing to skite about (just a standard AX100) but here it is (was):
And in the wet......... What do you mean was? Nice pic.....

[Sketchy_Racer]

Screw that honda shite!! go get your self a Suzuki or Kawasaki!!

mine its the Creme of bucket bikes :yes:

[dangerous]

Here ya are the S/I bucket crew
1) dangerous bike 1
2) dangerous bike 2
3) TonyB
4) K14
5) deisel pig's reverse head RG100 L/C
6) deisel pig

[dangerous]

more of these shit box's
1) Kickaha
2) the bike every one rides
3) Stanko
4) BrenChCh
5) deisel pig's turbo 100 in the making

dont think I missed any one..... spud racer, need a pic

[Buddha#81]

Copied rg50 frame, cb150 powered. 3rd 2004 season, 3rd 2005 season, '06?probally last with the fxr's comming on line, personally I dont think they sould be allowed in f4. A bog std fxr is at the sharp end of the feild with minimal development they will be unbeatable?!!

[Grumpy]

Strictly speaking, this probably should be in the Racing section, but then heaps of you don't go there & would miss out.
I thought it a good idea to post photos of the various buckets out there -
1. To skite
2. For advice
3. For ideas
4. Whatever blows your hair back
Here's mine GS125 (was EddieB's) & hXc's RG50/CT125

Looked good out there too MSTRS.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Copied rg50 frame, cb150 powered. 3rd 2004 season, 3rd 2005 season, '06?probally last with the fxr's comming on line, personally I dont think they sould be allowed in f4. A bog std fxr is at the sharp end of the feild with minimal development the will be unbeatable?!!

fuck no!!! FXR 150 aint that fast..... mine gets its arse kicked by three 50cc bikes in wellington...... and lets not even go near the 100cc two strokes :no:

they are a good bike.... faster than most stock, but still aint no wonder machines

[MSTRS]

Looked good out there too MSTRS.
I thought so too. But then, I'm bound to say that, aren't I!

[XTC]

A couple of my racing days in the early nineties. First pic is at Mt wellington. Side car pic is at Taupo just coming onto the straight. Sidecar was doing 59 second laps at Taupo. I'm on the side.

[GN1NiteStnd]

Screw that honda shite!! go get your self a Suzuki or Kawasaki!!

mine its the Creme of bucket bikes :yes:

I beg to differ, mr rg100:cool:

[froggyfrenchman]

I beg to differ, mr rg100:cool:

Whoops, was logged in as the missis again

[Buddha#81]

fuck no!!! FXR 150 aint that fast..... mine gets its arse kicked by three 50cc bikes in wellington...... and lets not even go near the 100cc two strokes :no:

they are a good bike.... faster than most stock, but still aint no wonder machines
That may be true on cart tracks and car parks, in Chch we race at Ruapuna (more open and shit loads faster) this allows the fxr's to build up a good head of steam and good riders will hold good corner speed. Granted the fastest bikes in Chch are both 2 stroke Mb powered early RS125 chassised bikes.

As for Having your arse kicked by 50cc bikes maybe you should be riding harder?

[dangerous]

Hondas suck!!
Screw that honda shite!! go get your self a Suzuki or Kawasaki!!

mine its the Creme of bucket bikes :yes:


fuck no!!! FXR 150 aint that fast..... mine gets its arse kicked by three 50cc bikes in wellington...... and lets not even go near the 100cc two strokes :no:

they are a good bike.... faster than most stock, but still aint no wonder machines
If honda's suck then I take it you get your arse wiped by them every time:wari:

quote #2 is a tad contradictory to quote quote #1 is it not :oi-grr:

What SR says is correct the FXR's are fast down here, I also dont believe thay should be in the same class as a shitty old MB, CB or GP's as a lot of money is needed in order to keep up with them.
And um if you are having ya arse kicked by 50cc bikes..... ya better learn to ride faster :niceone:

[Bert]

They are 3 seriously fast 50's.
but i do feel that everyone is right about leting four stroke but to 150 into F4, it does go abit against the sprit of buckets,
but in saying that so are RS125 chassis ?
i guess things have to change.
we'll just have to show some skill to beat them..
GO TWO STROKES.....

[Skunk]

What do you mean was?I'm hacking at it. Trying to do something with the front end and brakes, rearsets if I can find some, clipons if the $20 budget will go that far.

[Buddha#81]

Im running a cb developed to 150cc but it still has 1970's technology (sohc head etc). I have enjoyed developing the engine but would have to sink serious $ to have anything like a warm fxr engine. As for the RS chassis it still takes some skill to shoehorn other powerplants into the early chassis.
What Im trying to say is that F4, F5, miniture road racing, is heading towards chequebook racing not what the classes are intented to be (i dont think). But to quote a letter in our bucket newsletter down here "the rules are the rules" we have to just get on with it. I will be keeping an eye out for a cheap RG150 they will be the next to become eligible.

[speedpro]

The FXRs may be expensive (relatively) but to get a bucket going "fast" costs $$$ as well. I think that speed/$ would be similar for the FXR or say a CB125T. The problem will be when someone does serious development on a FXR. Having said that they are never going to be as fast as a fast 100cc 2-stroke, one that has been built to the original bucket rules but with modern engineering. As an example Nigel Duff's bucket makes 27.5hp at the rear wheel and it is conservatively tuned, no scummy FXR is going to get near it.
There has always been some talented individuals who have been able to build fast buckets and others like me who have done some of the work and paid others to do the rest. Either way, and it's the same in any motorsport, you either build it yourself or pay someone else. To go faster than someone else you either need more talent or more money. How fast do you want to go, how much money do you want to spend? They're tied together, and there is always someone willing to up the ante.

[hXc]

My CT125 makes about 24hp at the rear wheel

[speedpro]

My CT125 makes about 24hp at the rear wheel
That is pretty impressive considering that Pete Sales, a clever guy when it comes to making things go fast, could only get 22.5hp out of his CB125, and it used to "fail" semi-regularly. John Connor got Karl Morgan's CB125T going pretty good and I'm sure it still made less than 20hp, it handled real good though and Karl rode it which helped of course.

[froggyfrenchman]

Should put the Deluxe on a dyno, hopefully it has round 22 ponys at the wheel. How did you come to the 24hp conclusion hxc?

[hXc]

Should put the Deluxe on a dyno, hopefully it has round 22 ponys at the wheel. How did you come to the 24hp conclusion hxc?

It's Mikes indication. Don't know how he figured it out but it's probably a guess

[dangerous]

How fast do you want to go?
just a fraction faster than kickaha...... thats all:second:

[Sketchy_Racer]

The FXRs may be expensive (relatively) but to get a bucket going "fast" costs $$$ as well. I think that speed/$ would be similar for the FXR or say a CB125T. The problem will be when someone does serious development on a FXR. Having said that they are never going to be as fast as a fast 100cc 2-stroke, one that has been built to the original bucket rules but with modern engineering. As an example Nigel Duff's bucket makes 27.5hp at the rear wheel and it is conservatively tuned, no scummy FXR is going to get near it.
There has always been some talented individuals who have been able to build fast buckets and others like me who have done some of the work and paid others to do the rest. Either way, and it's the same in any motorsport, you either build it yourself or pay someone else. To go faster than someone else you either need more talent or more money. How fast do you want to go, how much money do you want to spend? They're tied together, and there is always someone willing to up the ante.


EXCELENT!!

this is the point i was trying to make.

oh and Dangerous, if you dont know, there are 2 x 50cc buckets making more than 15 hp..... the fxr makes 11.5 on the dyno stock... i really dont think that FXRs are gonna be hugely compeditive, a MB100 making 20 hp in a RS125 frame will kick arse.... it will be absolutely nuts..... so we better watch out when F5Dave get his one finished.

Cheers, Glenn

[Kickaha]

just a fraction faster than kickaha...... thats all:second:


It wont happen

[Sketchy_Racer]

I beg to differ, mr rg100:cool:

admit it..... you know mine is the best..... well................ cause its MINE!!:woohoo: :woohoo: :Punk: :Punk:

[Ivan]

Screw that honda shite!! go get your self a Suzuki or Kawasaki!!

mine its the Creme of bucket bikes :yes:


nathans is the Honda CBR150

[dangerous]

oh and Dangerous, if you dont know, there are 2 x 50cc buckets making more than 15 hp..... the fxr makes 11.5 on the dyno stock... i really dont think that FXRs are gonna be hugely compeditive, a MB100 making 20 hp in a RS125 frame will kick arse.... it will be absolutely nuts.....
Cheers, Glenn
Yeah man, I'm only bitching cos theres a new FXR in the field down here so... that puts me back a position rather than getting ahead.
I dont have the $$ for a big bore or to get 20hp out of my MB... so I spose I should pull my finger out of my arse and ride harder:crazy:

[Sketchy_Racer]

ooooorrr go get a Honda CBR150 imported from tailand :yes: then you would be the bees knees :lol:

[speedpro]

a MB100 making 20 hp in a RS125 frame will kick arse.... it will be absolutely nuts..... so we better watch out when F5Dave get his one finished.

Cheers, Glenn
to quote Kickaha - "it wont happen".

[dangerous]

ooooorrr go get a Honda CBR150 imported from tailand :yes: then you would be the bees knees :lol:
Na... I dont get it, for me buckets isent about being 1st home..... its about man and machine another words I like to build a old shitter up from something very slow and learning to ride it.... thats buckets:2thumbsup

[F5 Dave]

to quote Kickaha - "it wont happen".

Piss off, where’s your new bike? How’s the blown bucket project going huh? Thought so.:ar15:

But yeah I’ve pretty much quit the watercooled full case reed MB100. :shutup: For now at least. The next project is slightly loftier but should be easier. If it turns to poo I’ll put the MB back in.

Gee some of youse guys talk a pile of poo re horsepower. How the heck did you come up with that 15hp 50cc stuff RG100? :bs: My bike sure isn’t putting that much out, wish it was.

The reason the 50s in wgtn are doing the business is because they handle (even in std RG form) better than most 100s which std are pretty woeful, & the riders can apply power earlier & keep it on longer, but they have less power than you & over a much smaller range. . . + At least 2 of the 3 F5 riders are fairly talented.

[F5 Dave]

State of buckets. Well it’s hard to say. - Well it actually easy to say any sort of crap (especially here). When I joined there was an unwritten rule about the engines having to be 7yrs or older. The RG50s put paid to that & my MB50 was obsolete overnight. oh well. Evolution, can't beat them, join them (after banging head for 6 years as I was too broke).

Personally I think the 150 4stroke rule should have been
150 2valve,
125 4valve. Not that there are any, this side of a VT250 head.

I also think in F5 that 100cc 4 stroke against 50cc 2 stroke –that’s double the size! Isn’t fair even with the carb restriction. Good thing competition engines aren’t allowed like XR100s.

But on the other hand trying to get a 125 air-cooled 2 stroke with a mincy little 24mm carb hauling is a bit of a far call. The carb velocity at anything over about 8000rpm is excessive. A 34mm is exactly double the area & you can watercool the 100 as well.

So what is the spirit of buckets? I’ve always enjoyed improving my bikes. It’s bare bones engineering on a budget. It has always got to cost something & how much is debatable. Someone who isn’t prepared to spend more than $200 probably isn’t going to be racing in 2 years & retire to the lounge bar grumbling about entry fees.:violin:

I cotton’d on to the fact that RS chassis handled well & could be bought cheap as chips, & I slung in my RG wheels etc into a $300 otherwise complete chassis. That is bucket cheap. (but they don't come up like that often sorry) Others were going to do it so may as well follow the rules early on I figured.

Problem is not many engines fit & take some pretty serious butchery. The 50 was fairly easy but I’ve been through a couple of grinding discs on the engine & the frame with latest bike.

What we want to avoid is MX engines. They would make everything obsolete. What’s worse is old MX engines are hard to buy as they get ridden into the ground, so Frank would go buy a 90s RM80. Then little Johnny’s dad would buy him a 2000 model. But he got beaten so next year goes & buys a spanker 2006 into a custom made chassis. That would just be silly.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Gee some of youse guys talk a pile of poo re horsepower. How the heck did you come up with that 15hp 50cc stuff RG100? :bs: My bike sure isn’t putting that much out, wish it was.



well i know exactly how much hamishes bike is making..... and the last i heard, yours was "supposed" to be doing 14 hp.... so i couldnt be fucked going into too much detail with .1s and .5s etc so i rounded to 15 to give an example.

as for the 'fairly' talented riders...... Jay lawrence is a Fucken very very talented rider. He has not been riding any where near as long as you have, has about 50% less HP than yours and still manages to beat you.

Going back to the FXR 150 thing,

there is nooo way that there is a prob with them.

when you think about it, weve got one guy with an Aprillia RS50 making very close to 15 hp, and then we've got two guys with fucken RS125 Grand Prix frames!!!!!!! GRAND FUCKING PRIX FRAMES!! and then some are bitching and moaning about a little commuter bike being races FFS!!

Cheers, Glenn

[F5 Dave]

Peak horsepower is one thing, spread is another. My bike has good peak but a lousy spread. OK on simple tracks but if you’re having a bad day not so easy to ride & you spend more time out of the power than a wide spread bike like Jays (I’ve ridden it & it is a lot faster now). Most people who ride it would go slower on mine than an easier to ride bike. On a good day I can ride it well & it makes it more rewarding in a sick kind of way.

A friend races a FXR in Auckland & has gone from a 100 with good power to much less on the FXR but he says it has such spread he hardly bothers to change gear & is currently doing very well. More average horsepower over a rev range is better than a high peak. & by the way RS's were made for full size racetrack, not short ones like manfield & - certainly not kart tracks.

But the 50s are a different class & no way should be whumping the F4 class. Make as many excuses as you like, I was never given a hand or a bike & could barely ride at 17 & only vagely competent at 20. Took me a few years to get fast so don’t expect the world on a plate. It takes most quite some time to learn.

[Buddha#81]

State of buckets. Well it’s hard to say. - Well it actually easy to say any sort of crap (especially here). When I joined there was an unwritten rule about the engines having to be 7yrs or older. The RG50s put paid to that & my MB50 was obsolete overnight. oh well. Evolution, can't beat them, join them (after banging head for 6 years as I was too broke).

Personally I think the 150 4stroke rule should have been
150 2valve,
125 4valve. Not that there are any, this side of a VT250 head.

I also think in F5 that 100cc 4 stroke against 50cc 2 stroke –that’s double the size! Isn’t fair even with the carb restriction. Good thing competition engines aren’t allowed like XR100s.

But on the other hand trying to get a 125 air-cooled 2 stroke with a mincy little 24mm carb hauling is a bit of a far call. The carb velocity at anything over about 8000rpm is excessive. A 34mm is exactly double the area & you can watercool the 100 as well.

So what is the spirit of buckets? I’ve always enjoyed improving my bikes. It’s bare bones engineering on a budget. It has always got to cost something & how much is debatable. Someone who isn’t prepared to spend more than $200 probably isn’t going to be racing in 2 years & retire to the lounge bar grumbling about entry fees.:violin:

I cotton’d on to the fact that RS chassis handled well & could be bought cheap as chips, & I slung in my RG wheels etc into a $300 otherwise complete chassis. That is bucket cheap. (but they don't come up like that often sorry) Others were going to do it so may as well follow the rules early on I figured.

Problem is not many engines fit & take some pretty serious butchery. The 50 was fairly easy but I’ve been through a couple of grinding discs on the engine & the frame with latest bike.

What we want to avoid is MX engines. They would make everything obsolete. What’s worse is old MX engines are hard to buy as they get ridden into the ground, so Frank would go buy a 90s RM80. Then little Johnny’s dad would buy him a 2000 model. But he got beaten so next year goes & buys a spanker 2006 into a custom made chassis. That would just be silly.


This is the best explanation and reasoning i have heard in my short time racing buckets. I would say if mnz had made f5 4 stoke limit 145cc we wouldn't be having this bitch session, i think they were thinking of the gl145 etc and the fxr didnt register on te radar.

[Ivan]

. . . + At least 2 of the 3 F5 riders are fairly talented.


Yeah You your real good, Jay he is a legend and Hamish 125 250 GP racer and so on. Currently am thinking of some new mods for my 50 also known as a RS125 chassis if I can get one which could happen and also a chamber and at Weltec next year I will port it etc

[froggyfrenchman]

so who knows what bout that turbo bike in the pics? im considering such a build but cant think of anything with a turbo that small to steal for the job. Whats he gotten his out of? Any major teething probs?

[Buddha#81]

so who knows what bout that turbo bike in the pics? im considering such a build but cant think of anything with a turbo that small to steal for the job. Whats he gotten his out of? Any major teething probs?
Diesel Pig and Kickaha have been building it for 12-18 mths hasn't fired in anger (yet) I dont think they even think it will go any good just building it cause they can. I think the turbo is out of a 600cc Suzuki/Diahatsu cage of some sort. Diesel Pig will be able to fill you in on the details. The moral of the story is if they were easy to do and went well we would be all racing them.

[froggyfrenchman]

realise that, i wanna do the "just coz i can" build

[Kickaha]

Turbo is out of a Suzuki Cappuccino, which is a 660cc motor, one day if either of us can be fucked we might get around to doing a bit more work on it

[Sketchy_Racer]

Peak horsepower is one thing, spread is another. My bike has good peak but a lousy spread. OK on simple tracks but if you’re having a bad day not so easy to ride & you spend more time out of the power than a wide spread bike like Jays (I’ve ridden it & it is a lot faster now). Most people who ride it would go slower on mine than an easier to ride bike. On a good day I can ride it well & it makes it more rewarding in a sick kind of way.

A friend races a FXR in Auckland & has gone from a 100 with good power to much less on the FXR but he says it has such spread he hardly bothers to change gear & is currently doing very well. More average horsepower over a rev range is better than a high peak. & by the way RS's were made for full size racetrack, not short ones like manfield & - certainly not kart tracks.

But the 50s are a different class & no way should be whumping the F4 class. Make as many excuses as you like, I was never given a hand or a bike & could barely ride at 17 & only vagely competent at 20. Took me a few years to get fast so don’t expect the world on a plate. It takes most quite some time to learn.

yes very good points made in there,

but as to a peaky bike, my old one used to be quite peaky, but i did not like this, soooo thats why i now have the FXR. On the Fxr i dont need to spend too much money on it to make it go fast enough. Its fast enough at the mo and thats how it will stay for quite a while.

and refering to the Rs chassis,

yes the Rs chassis are made for bigger tracks, manfeild would be ideal for the these littuns.... any bigger and its just a HP race.

and the Rs chassis is a Race chassis. Wether in a carpark, a track, where ever, they are gonna be a whole shit load better than a cheap arse commuter bike chassis arent they??? Yes of course they were.

Im always good for a Discussion and Rave, but this is no way meant to be rude at all. I respect my elders, even if they do talk some shite sometimes (bayden:weird: )

Cheers, Glenn

[Ivan]

Yeah the RS is perfect for Manfield and they was even better at GM when I rode one cause I got to throw it on its side this is Jays bucket im talking about and be on the throttle it was fun, that was the day I almost beat Jay those were the days

[speedpro]

I've got the exact same turbo. It's an IHI RHB31 from a Suzuki Cappucino. I've also got the equivalent size supercharger. Now all I have to do is finish the engine to put them on. I know Dave's friend in Auckland with the FXR. He's been racing buckets successfully for years. As Dave says he went from a good MB100 to the FXR and with no power improving mods went faster just because it was easier to use. This works on the tiny Mt Wellington track. At say Ruapuna he'd be blown into the weeds by a slightly above average 100 2-stroke. The same sort of thing applies to the 125 2-strokes with the 24mm carb. They go real hard on the kart tracks because they can't be tuned to peak hard and make LOTS of horsepower and so end up nice and mild and easy to use. MNZ were thinking exactly of the FXR150 when the rules were changed, and no I didn't have anything to do with it. Re the 100cc 4-strokes in F5, as far as I'm aware they haven't exactly taken over even though the rules have allowed them for some years now.

[Ivan]

I also think in F5 that 100cc 4 stroke against 50cc 2 stroke –that’s double the size! Isn’t fair even with the carb restriction. Good thing competition engines aren’t allowed like XR100s.





I will argue with this an XR100 is not a competition motor they a a trail bike/farm bike, I know my brother had one and raced at buckets in JR Motard and did some 50 races on it also working at the Local bike shop I worked on Moto X bikes and farm bikes and there is a big difference

[Sketchy_Racer]

yea the XR 100 engine is not at all a 'sports' engine at all, infact they would make a really good F5 engine, well a good base to work from. I think the last i heard of my friends one , it was making 8 Hp or something really low, so they not exactly fast

[Ivan]

yeah they puss as

[gav]

FXR150's in buckets is like SV650's in F3, unless the rules are tweaked to allow "newer" stuff in, the class will die, as lack of suitable race bikes dry up. I think the whole bucket racing "spirit" if you like shifted when RS125 chassis' started turning up. Now I can also remember when the first RG50 turned up on a track, same kinda story as now, "unfair", "too expensive" "bad for the sport"...
Think what some of these young guys (Ivan, RG100) have top realise, that in motorcycling you still have to ride it, and regardless of what bike you may have its no guarantee of success. Look at Ivan on the ex Jay Lawrence RS125, 2nd in the champs last year, now with Ivan on board its lucky to even qualify, and is running at the back of the pack.
Now while someone may have the good fortune of picking up an old RS125 rolling chassis for $200 and claim that its cheap (yes it is, in fact I'll give ya $250 for it!), the thing is, that not many people have access to them so youre almost looking at maybe buying an old complete bike for $1500-$2000 to get into one.
Maybe there should be a "claiming rule", say $1500? Of course Ivan would probably just end up with half a dozen more bikes in his garage.
Think maybe the class should allow aircooled 80cc MX bikes in and have 150cc four strokes and 80cc two strokes in a seperate "premier" class and allow anyone else in that can run with them?
But its not really any different to when I started with some of the other Nelson guys and travelling to Blenheim and racing at Woodbourne, the level of some of the bikes there were just so superior but they had the tools on base and time and skills to just build some awesome stuff, but then some of the guys looked to be on "stock standard" DT100's and the like but were just so damn fast, and guys like the Wood brothers and others were classy riders too. Some of the bucket GP's of the time both at Woodbourne and Wigram, showed that some guys took it very serious, and nothings really changed now. At the bucket bucket racing seems on a real high, with plenty of interest, but bear in mind the class has been going for what, at least 30 years now ?? These arguments spring up all the time......

[froggyfrenchman]

Remember, They might have the grunt, but still have to be able to ride it quick

[gav]

My CT125 makes about 24hp at the rear wheel
WTF? Thats 192 hp per litre, at the rear wheel wheel, from an air cooled four stroke? Whos tuning it for you? Burt Munro???
Ray Clees tuned GSXR1000K5's are around the 200hp mark, this is water cooled, fuel injected etc....

[froggyfrenchman]

WTF? Thats 192 hp per litre, at the rear wheel wheel, from an air cooled four stroke? Whos tuning it for you? Burt Munro???
Ray Clees tuned GSXR1000K5's are around the 200hp mark, this is water cooled, fuel injected etc....

He was just beleiving the drivel fed to him by another bloke, treating a guess as fact. Not his fault

[Kickaha]

FXR150's in buckets is like SV650's in F3,.


you mean it's fucking the class then? because F3 has declined since the SV was intorduced, but I can't see that happening with FXR150 in buckets

personally I don't think letting the FXR into buckets was a good idea even though I should have one in the next few weeks as I don't think the supply of bikes is drying up

[froggyfrenchman]

I think buckets should have a 5yo rule, no engine or frames newer than five years old.

[dangerous]

I think buckets should have a 5yo rule, no engine or frames newer than five years old.
Not a bad idea at all........ buckets...... 'buckets a shit'

ps, re: ya sigie...... what are you greasing Winja for :motu:

[froggyfrenchman]

:laugh:
Not a bad idea at all........ buckets...... 'buckets a shit'

ps, re: ya sigie...... what are you greasing Winja for :motu:

Not greasing, just think we should all have the right to express ourselves, he just isnt the same without the caps. Its like telling sniper to logout for once:laugh:

[Kickaha]

I think buckets should have a 5yo rule, no engine or frames newer than five years old.


I dont think 5 years is old enough maybe 10 at least

[froggyfrenchman]

I dont think 5 years is old enough maybe 10 at least

I was gonna say 10, but thought some of you would feel it was too old. But 10 years is good, buckets should be kept at least close to the bucket of shit beginings, otherwise it becomes just another full price racing class. That would keep the likes of me, who do it coz its cheap, priced out of the game

[Ivan]

Basically FUCK OFF Glenns FXR is fast yes but he aint winning not picking on him because he is beating me but what im trying to say is he is middle of pack and Dave is winning it comes down to rider skill, plus that 10 year odl bullshit is crap my dad's RS was Hamishs old one and was the faster motor but he was getting last Fuck sake stop bitching wat ya gonna get a SHITTY trophy wow no prize money or fame, fuck sake man this is bullshit buckets is buckets who cares it just ment to be fun not a bitch and moan

[gav]

you mean it's fucking the class then? because F3 has declined since the SV was intorduced,
But if you took the SV's out, how many bikes would be left? Thought the F3 class was starting to die before the SV's were introduced. I know they were left over from the SV cup or what ever it was, but dont think any manufacturer currently makes a new 400cc sports bike, do they? So you were going to end up with a class of 10-15 year old 400's and later and later model 125's, who already have there own class.

And what happened to the Superstock class for 150's? Why not have a 2 stroke and 4 stroke division and let them run together, in their own championship?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Think what some of these young guys (Ivan, RG100) have top realise, that in motorcycling you still have to ride it, and regardless of what bike you may have its no guarantee of success.

yes gav i do realise that, if fact that was the reason i got the FXR in the first place. i needed something reliable.

if you look at my end placings for the two seasons I got 5th place in my first season. Yes my first ever season of racing riding. I know i didnt get this because i was fast. I got it because i was consistent. THERES NO POINT BEING FAST IF YOUR NOT CONSISTENT

then in the second season I got 9th.

why?? because i was inconsitent. Sure, i was riding faster and i could finish in the top five if i tried really hard, but i kept falling off and my bike keep crapping out.

so i though to my self "i need a bike that is realitivly powerful stock (i have no money to modify) it needs to be four stroke (i have had enough of shitty two strokes) and it needs to handle half deacent (RG50s are poo)

and the FXR fits all of them perfectly and it came at the right price of $500 so i wasnt going to say NO.

So for me as a rider, i can only improve my skils if im on the track. Not sitting in the pits with a blown piston.

Cheers, Glenn

[Kickaha]

But if you took the SV's out, how many bikes would be left? Thought the F3 class was starting to die before the SV's were introduced. I know they were left over from the SV cup or what ever it was, but dont think any manufacturer currently makes a new 400cc sports bike, do they? So you were going to end up with a class of 10-15 year old 400's and later and later model 125's, who already have there own class.

And what happened to the Superstock class for 150's? Why not have a 2 stroke and 4 stroke division and let them run together, in their own championship?



And if you took out all the 4 cylinder bikes you would have even less of a class

SV cup were basically stock bikes, the fastest of the SV650 racing now have very little resemblence to those bikes, ohlins suspension,modded motors and costing a damn sight more than any 4 cylinder F3 bike ever has

[Sketchy_Racer]

and some are still been beaten by 10 year old 400s

[NordieBoy]

Sorry to bring this back on topic but...

Some fat buggers arse...

[k14]

Basically FUCK OFF Glenns FXR is fast yes but he aint winning not picking on him because he is beating me but what im trying to say is he is middle of pack and Dave is winning it comes down to rider skill, plus that 10 year odl bullshit is crap my dad's RS was Hamishs old one and was the faster motor but he was getting last Fuck sake stop bitching wat ya gonna get a SHITTY trophy wow no prize money or fame, fuck sake man this is bullshit buckets is buckets who cares it just ment to be fun not a bitch and moan
Easy does it there young chap. Language like that is unnecessary, you need to start thinking before you speak (type). Thought that by now and all the bad rep et al you would have got the message? :nono:

[Sketchy_Racer]

hmmm yes i though so, the language is a little OTT but he made his point i guess

[Kickaha]

Sorry to bring this back on topic but...

Some fat buggers arse...

Diesel Pigs fat arse,Nelson Street Race (2004 I would think)

[k14]

hmmm yes i though so, the language is a little OTT but he made his point i guess
Only point I see he made was that he's a firery little ginga :weird:

[gav]

And if you took out all the 4 cylinder bikes you would have even less of a class

SV cup were basically stock bikes, the fastest of the SV650 racing now have very little resemblence to those bikes, ohlins suspension,modded motors and costing a damn sight more than any 4 cylinder F3 bike ever has
Andy Bolwell is still able to win on a ZXR, maybe if some others spent money on their 400's they could have a shot at winning too?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Only point I see he made was that he's a firery little ginga :weird:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: LOL!! herrmmmm arhhhh yes hes a ginger, but hes really a good guy.... im sure you know that K14 ;)

[Kickaha]

Andy Bolwell is still able to win on a ZXR, maybe if some others spent money on their 400's they could have a shot at winning too?


I'm sure they could and they would still have spent a lot less than the class leading SV

[Sketchy_Racer]

I'm sure they could and they would still have spent a lot less than the class leading SV
Very tru..... look where chris (2 smoker) is on his almost stock one!! just amagine if he had as much HP as the top SV650!!

[Ivan]

yes lNGUAGE i been drinking so that happens cheers for the compliments I trying to say tho it is buckets not a world championship and a few guys know this they just being aragent

[Sketchy_Racer]

what the hell are you on about dude??

[Ivan]

that guys are winging about fxrs and they bitching but it only buckets it ment to be fun I joined for the fun then everyone started tuning it got to competitive and I thinking of quiting

[gav]

that guys are winging about fxrs and they bitching but it only buckets it ment to be fun I joined for the fun then everyone started tuning it got to competitive and I thinking of quiting
Then quit......racing is racing, if you want to ride for fun, fine, most who race also want to win and want to be competitive, theres nothing wrong with that!!!
If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!!!

[Korea]

Racing's racing. I think I read in Keith Code's 'A Twist of the Wrist': <I>The BS stops when the flag drops</I>. Regardless of class, of course everyone's trying to win~ that's why it's called a race, eh?

With a bit of luck I'll be racing the poxy Hyosung 125Exiv (see avatar) in the Korean road race series this year. Can't ride for toffee but I'll keep you posted...
In the meantime, I'll scour the bucket racing forums for all the help and advice I can get. NZ reprazent! Er... riiiight...

[Ivan]

I know what you guys are trying to say but is it racing why bitch on about FXR's I know that shit about racing and that but I have a motor and hopefully a frame alligned up which will be a stunner No hints yet but RG100 you know the frame I talking about

[MSTRS]

Children.....children.
Mummy says, any more fighting and it'll be off to bed with no dinner.
If I wanted to know whose was bigger, I'd just look in the mirror.
Looking for photos, mods, hints, etc.

[froggyfrenchman]

Children.....children.
Mummy says, any more fighting and it'll be off to bed with no dinner.
If I wanted to know whose was bigger, I'd just look in the mirror.
Looking for photos, mods, hints, etc.

Mines the biggerest!

[Sketchy_Racer]

buah!!! what ever!!

everyone knows that mine is the best bucket in existence!! :lol:

but there are gonna be a shit load of mods to come.
I am currently fiddling with a mikuni flat slide carb.... it seems to be going well ;)

[froggyfrenchman]

everyone knows that mine is the best bucket in existence!! :lol:



Grrrrrrrrrr! Need i remind you of the all ruling supreme reigning deluxe?

[Joe Blogs]

Back to the bucket topic, anyone no anything about Darrel Cottons bucket, I no its a rs125 frame and mb100 5 speed motor, had him up at port races, pissed all over everyone else's buckets, didn't even sound like he was revving it out.

[k14]

Back to the bucket topic, anyone no anything about Darrel Cottons bucket, I no its a rs125 frame and mb100 5 speed motor, had him up at port races, pissed all over everyone else's buckets, didn't even sound like he was revving it out.
Yeah well sounds like you know everything about it. It's immaculately done out and he pays alot of attention to detail. He can ride it pretty well too. Only other bucket that can get close to it down in chch is the other mb100 rs framed one.

[speedpro]

I've posted these before. Attention to detail, by someone who knows what he's doing, 27.5hp on Brett Roberts dyno.

[Kickaha]

didn't even sound like he was revving it out.

It's not highly tuned it only makes 18hp at the rear wheel

[Sketchy_Racer]

It's not highly tuned it only makes 18hp at the rear wheel

ONLY!!!! jesus, i wish my FXR was making 18 hp

[F5 Dave]

I've posted these before. Attention to detail, by someone who knows what he's doing, 27.5hp on Brett Roberts dyno.

No I've seen that bike close up & never noticed:
What is that bellows thing by the front sprocket?!??

[Bert]

Here's mine as it was last raced, In this photo its a ts100 (ts125 bottom end) mounted into a Rg50 frame (built it in 1997). Haven't really done to much to the motor except cutting down the top of the barrel to use KT100 gokart head gaskets. other than that it the same motor that I've been using since 1995.
- I have always run Amsoil at 75:1 and its only killed the bottom end twice and about 5 rings.
(though electrics are crap and dies all the time :sick: )

second is the new bucket (currently being built) - same motor new electrics

I'll scan some old photos when i've got a chance.

[F5 Dave]

Well that looks a sight more solid. [edit]: but the bench looks miserable:pinch:

erm, strictly speaking any KT100 engine parts (except ignition, carb & piston) are banned, but I don't think anyone would care about gaskets, good outside the box sourcing.

& can you please change your number? I've been running that for the last decade or so. Ta.

[Bert]

Well that looks a sight more solid. [edit]: but the bench looks miserable:pinch:

erm, strictly speaking any KT100 engine parts (except ignition, carb & piston) are banned, but I don't think anyone would care about gaskets, good outside the box sourcing.

& can you please change your number? I've been running that for the last decade or so. Ta.

number - sorry dave i noted that at the last meeting have changed it already.

[Sketchy_Racer]

meh i wouldnt worry about the head gasket..... no one will complain, and if they do they should get a friggen life ;)

[Bert]

meh i wouldnt worry about the head gasket..... no one will complain, and if they do they should get a friggen life ;)

well at the end of the day I've got a friend that can make them for me cheaper than what they cost from the kart shop. so I've bypassed the problem. All i have done is copy the idea:2thumbsup

[F5 Dave]

I really don't think it was a problem I was just be F'seafish,

[Sketchy_Racer]

sweet as then, i used to run a kt head gasket on mine.... it didnt make any difference to the bike.....

[Bert]

sweet as then, i used to run a kt head gasket on mine.... it didnt make any difference to the bike.....

Well sort of - I away's blew head gaskets. now i dont.

[Sketchy_Racer]

weird...i never blew gaskets...i ripped studs out of barrels :argh:

[Bert]

yep - bloody old engines. I've replaced all my studs, wont happen again.

[Ivan]

looking good will go work on myne now then post some pics but I fell tired as so wont do much been working on my van lately

[Ivan]

ok heres some Welly Pics over the years

[Ivan]

and more pics

[F5 Dave]

That last pic is the first time I have seen an RS look too big.:rofl:

While we are about it here are a few pics

1. My RG in it's 2nd incarnation
2. 3rd incarnation
3. The spirit of Fairplay is a strictly adhered to
4. This is no time to rest, I’ve got a race to finish! (Bayden)

[Sketchy_Racer]

:lol: at the pic of bayden!!!! oh dear god i wish i could have watched that !!

[F5 Dave]

Pah that’s nothing, Ray Wilson crashed at Oakune road bucket cct & when he got up, his bike was missing. WTF?

It had shot up a bank about 10 metres & was perched on some scrub. How we laughed. Scary getting it down.

[MSTRS]

Pah that’s nothing, Ray Wilson crashed at Oakune road bucket cct & when he got up, his bike was missing. WTF?

It had shot up a bank about 10 metres & was perched on some scrub. How we laughed. Scary getting it down.
Where/when does that meet happen?

[F5 Dave]

Once or twice every year in the nineties.;)

Whole town got into it. Sadly the organiser sold his motel & moved ~ 2000. Needed a local to organise & sponsor it to make it happen.

It was a bit of a scary place, I decided never to look at the run off as it would make me go slower. This said I hurt myself the worst I have by somersaulting over Speedpro at warp speed. But fortunately before bad part of track.

[MSTRS]

Pity. Got a place to stay for cheap in Ohakune. Sleeps a few too. No chance of reviving??

[F5 Dave]

Not legally. But one night before we were drinking up large, as one did on those days & the sidecars guys Luke &, um- the other one disappeared about midnight. A while later we heard a tortured 2 stroke, looked out the window & there was an Arab & a Pantomime Crocodile doing a couple of laps on the sidecar before they disappeared. :first:

Bit naughty really. Wish I’d had the camera though.

[Buddha#81]

fuck no!!! FXR 150 aint that fast..... mine gets its arse kicked by three 50cc bikes in wellington...... and lets not even go near the 100cc two strokes :no:

they are a good bike.... faster than most stock, but still aint no wonder machines

I raced at the last round of the Nats at Ruapuna this weekend on a borrowed rg150 (thanks Nipper) now Im no speed freek, been racing buckets for 3 seasons, post classics, f3 etc so i can ride ok. I was clocking 2.08ish per lap and scored 12th out of 28 for the weekend. Pushing me very very very hard all weekend was a very good rider on a fxr150:not: , now tell me they are not fast! The bike is as std as the come, other that slicks and lights removed she bog stock. You Nth Island guys better watch out next month at Manfeild. RG100 your fxr is fucken fast, you need to ride it faster. Take it to Manfeild ,open a can of wiparse an eat 50cc 2 smokers for ya lunch.

[Sketchy_Racer]

hey spud,

yea i know my FXR gets up and goes,

and i currently working on the riding ;)

but its not the cornering im strugling with (well its not as bad)
its picking the correct line when trying to flow 3-4 corners in a row. i always fuck it up. But im working on it.

my bike is in tip top shape now so i have no reason to complain about that.

now, Spud, Are you gonna come up here and show me how to ride next bucket meet at manfeild?? you better :niceone:

Cheers, RG

[Kickaha]

now Im no speed freek.

He's right,he is slow as fuck :finger:




now, Spud, Are you gonna come up here and show me how to ride next bucket meet at manfeild?? you better :niceone:

Spud is to scared to travel that far without his mum :yes:

[Sketchy_Racer]

he can bring his old lady with him........

does he get hugs and kisses if he gets a good result??

[dangerous]

does he get hugs and kisses if he gets a good result??
Yip...................... from Kickaha :nya:

[Buddha#81]

[QUOTE=Kickaha]He's right,he is slow as fuck :finger:

Dont remember you being in front of me all season...... oh thats right you were in the pits with a blown motor!!!!:laugh:

[Sketchy_Racer]

LOL!!! so ahs Kick got his bike going Yeeet ??? it sounds like it is always in need of repair, and the last photos i saw of it, it look well and truly rooted!!

[diesel pig]

LOL!!! so ahs Kick got his bike going Yeeet ??? it sounds like it is always in need of repair, and the last photos i saw of it, it look well and truly rooted!!

Thats right RG100 Kickaha is hard on the GEAR:no: Just ask world sidecar speed record holder Glen Hayward about Kickaha's affect on gear and you will get a look like that smilie above and a softly spoken "He's hard on the gear"

[dangerous]

Thats right RG100 Kickaha is hard on the GEAR:no: Just ask world sidecar speed record holder Glen Hayward about Kickaha's affect on gear and you will get a look like that smilie above and a softly spoken "He's hard on the gear"
Hes never managed to blow a Honda yet tho... unlike some aye :slap:

[Kickaha]

Thats right RG100 Kickaha is hard on the GEAR:no: Just ask world sidecar speed record holder Glen Hayward about Kickaha's affect on gear and you will get a look like that smilie above and a softly spoken "He's hard on the gear"

Just remind me again how often your bucket has dropped valves, had tappet adjusters come loose,lost cam chains,and what happened to your new bucket on it's first outing? and hasn't "Black Betty" done a crank or two and currently awaiting repairs

I'm hard on gear "Yeah Right" :finger:



Hes never managed to blow a Honda yet tho... unlike some aye :slap:

Lend me your bike again and I can fix that :yes:

[diesel pig]

Thats all maintance issues:whocares: . Face it Kickaha you break shit:msn-wink:

[Kickaha]

Thats all maintance issues:whocares:


So your maintainence is shit then:finger:

[dangerous]

So your maintainence is shit then:finger:
Hell yeah.... only time i rooted a motor was after it had been super tuned by the Deisel Pig Dr :cool:

[Bert]

you mean it's fucking the class then? because F3 has declined since the SV was intorduced, but I can't see that happening with FXR150 in buckets

personally I don't think letting the FXR into buckets was a good idea even though I should have one in the next few weeks as I don't think the supply of bikes is drying up

well well, i think the TF100 will struggle against FXR150 if people start using hot cams though...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-accessories/Performance/auction-46079075.htm

still start in front and blind them with blue smoke....:doobey:

[Kickaha]

Hell yeah.... only time i rooted a motor was after it had been super tuned by the Deisel Pig Dr :cool:

I rest my case, obviously his engine building skills are crap :finger:

[F5 Dave]

I dunno, youse south islanders! All this talk of rooting engines & oily pigs is scaring me. I thought it was only the farmers!:shit:

[diesel pig]

Hell yeah.... only time i rooted a motor was after it had been super tuned by the Deisel Pig Dr :cool:

Get a Big Black one up you. Now get this straight Dangerous the tappet backing off would of decreased the valve lift, so the only way that valve punched it's way through the piston was by being valve bounced until it hit the piston.
You know like keeping it nailed all the way down the back straight at Levels even through the motor had gone off song?

you tool:nono:

[dangerous]

Get a Big Black one up you. Now get this straight Dangerous the tappet backing off would of decreased the valve lift, so the only way that valve punched it's way through the piston was by being valve bounced until it hit the piston.
You know like keeping it nailed all the way down the back straight at Levels even through the motor had gone off song?

you tool:nono:
Na man, it was singing beautifully 'go fast go faster' it was mutering... or was it "help me sparky.... help me sparky" man I gota give to the wee thing it took a lap and a half before the dtreaded white smoke appeared :Punk:

[Skunk]

As this thread was about Bucket photos rather than which South Islander is the worst rooter here's an updated pic of mine.

[Bert]

As this thread was about Bucket photos rather than which South Islander is the worst rooter here's an updated pic of mine.

Looking good Skunk. that new seat and running gear looks trick

[Skunk]

I'm still going to try and fit the Kawasaki wheels at some stage, and a front guard.

[Sketchy_Racer]

sweet man,

that front brake will be a lot better than you stock one.

Now just for a faster engine...............

[Sketchy_Racer]

oh dear god.... :no:

why have you still got the auto oiler and kickstarter on????? there would be like 4 Kilos in there!!!!

[Skunk]

Cos I haven't removed them... :hitcher: and it would be too fast for me.

[Ivan]

Na... I dont get it, for me buckets isent about being 1st home..... its about man and machine another words I like to build a old shitter up from something very slow and learning to ride it.... thats buckets:2thumbsup


Spot on thats what it was like when I joined its still good rheres a few guys down Welly way like that and its awsome I dont really give a fuck tho about FXR's, I mean you still need to ride good for the thing to win

E.G

You put a guy who just learnt how to ride a bike on a hotted up FXR150 I doubt he is gonna win


GO THE TWO STROKES

[gav]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dangerous
Na... I dont get it, for me buckets isent about being 1st home..... its about man and machine another words I like to build a old shitter up from something very slow and learning to ride it.... thats buckets


Hey D, you'll have to tell us about the bikes you built up from shitters some time....:rofl: :wait:

[dangerous]

Hey D, you'll have to tell us about the bikes you built up from shitters some time....:rofl: :wait:
Yeah no worries Gav... heres a pic of the next shitter to be bucketized, no room for your arse on it tho ;)

[gav]

errr, righto, I'm not even going to ask why you have photo's of outhouses, OK?
I'm sure its quite a popular past time.......

[Blackflagged]

Anyone raced one of these CBR150,will have one soon,ETA 1 month,for F4 Bucket.Should take less time,to convert to race trim.Might even make it to the track,for next season.Needs a Little TLC.

[Sketchy_Racer]

yep a guy down here has one

Nice bucket.. extreemly similar to the FXR150..

[Blackflagged]

Go alright?Did you mention it had a pipe and cdi?Just been seaching the net for proformance parts.

[CM2005]

GO THE TWO STROKES

:rockon: thats the one!

[Sketchy_Racer]

yep, pipe, cdi and carb done.. its pretty damn quick!

[Ivan]

Pick me pick me,


I know all about that one its a local Featherston bike


It has A Endurance full exhaust system After Market CDI for more rev and No restricter in it no more


Umm the Carb is actually a RM80 Flat Slide carb

You can also get racing cams cheap but it dont have any of them

[Sketchy_Racer]

dont need em. its fast enough as it is!!!

[Colapop]

I'm not little enough to go bucket racing... or that rich...

[CM2005]

when will they up the 2t cc limit to allow AG175s....

[CM2005]

my profile pic has my bucket.. #76 oh yeah! right before i stalled it!

[CM2005]

I'm not little enough to go bucket racing... or that rich...

race a scooter then !:scooter: :dodge: mine has cost me:

leathers $150
Bike $506
sticky "18 bridgestones $210
bar ends $10

Racing $Priceless

DO IT!:done:

[Ivan]

dont need em. its fast enough as it is!!!

and the rider is fast too.

[F5 Dave]

my profile pic has my bucket.. #76 oh yeah! right before i stalled it!

Panic sets in as the Lion approaches:gob: . Those leathers are cool dude.

[CM2005]

cheers, someone wanted to buy them! After i crashed, this guy came up and said he was waiting for a lion too.. haha. now i need a road race lid, so i can get a cool safari custom paintjob... racing stripes? i just noticed im the only one wearing moto boots.

[Blackflagged]

and the rider is fast too.
I may need some then.
Thanks Ivan, endurance pipe seem reasonable ,freight will be abit.

[xwhatsit]

Waaaaaaah I want a bucket!

Can you use custom frames? I.e., design your own? Or is that against the `old crappy commuter' rule?

[dangerous]

Waaaaaaah I want a bucket!

Can you use custom frames? I.e., design your own? Or is that against the `old crappy commuter' rule?

Yeah mate, My MB frame was built in 77 to replicate the Honda MT Grand Prix bikes of that time... tyger Tungs is home built aswell and based around a RG50, do what ya like with a rolling chassie.

[CM2005]

build one! I'll sell you my old XL100 that goes if you persuade it, and you can put a 185 barrel on it, with 4valve 250head and cam and it will be 150cc!

[Ivan]

Or wack a Turbo on it and actually get it going


Mynes a Homebuilt

Its a AX engine with a Aprilia chasssis with Ivan Juggins suspension tuning on hand and wacked some valve springs in to stiffen the forks up


Its about gettign out there and doing it in the shed I reckon


Go hard

[F5 Dave]

Home built is when you build the frame, not just do a transplant.

As for the "Ivan Juggins suspension tuning" do you realise that you have actually made the spring rate softer by doing that?:mellow:

Don't believe me? Ask at Tech, or do a google on spring formula. The increase in preload has fooled you into thinking you've made it stiffer, but you have increased the number of live coils.

[xwhatsit]

Hehe I really am becoming increasingly enamoured with this bucket thingie. And I've always wanted to build my own frame -- maybe it's time to borrow my Uncle's welder and learn to weld?

Wideline featherbed bucket bike here I come! :lol:

[F5 Dave]

2" galv pipe is easy to come by from your local school playground.

[SHELRACING]

I have to agree with Dangerous.
I race for the fun of it.
Yes my partner is a little more competitive than me, but that's ok.

Here's out two bikes and we have as much fun on them as we do our big bikes.
Granma's bike (GS125) is knicknamed 'The banana". I wonder why?

Steve's is called 'The Turbo'. A Honda 125Twin.

[Expert]

follow this link to photos of the bucket gp at mt. wellington on sunday. only the fast blokes tho, boo.


http://www.gofastfilms.co.nz/main.php?g2_itemId=5823

[CM2005]

argh, i hate being a slow dude!