Since when is an off road death part of the road toll

[geoffm]

In the rag this morning, some guy near Ahipara (far north) was ripping it up on the beach, fishtailed and lost it - fatally. THis brings the road toll to 14. Since when is an off road accident on a trail bike been part of the road toll?
Why wasn't there a speed camera there - won't anyone think of the children?
Geoff

[2much]

Heard this on the news last night and thought exactly the same thing..... what a load of shit.

[onearmedbandit]

I heard about a fatal bike accident on the news this morning up your way, thought to myself that's two too many this xmas. The sentiment remains the same but including that death as a part of the 'road' toll is a bit off.

RIP to the rider.

[myvice]

I hope no one brings up the nasty little thing of the ACC using farm bike/quad (off road) accidents to hike our rego fees up and then using the same stats to hike up the farm levies as well, caus that could caus a real shit fight! :devil2:

[XTC]

The beach is considered a public road and the same rules and speed limits apply I suppose.

[sparrow_34]

From the Land Transport Act, weird but true.


"Road'' includes—

(a)A street; and

(b)A motorway; and

(c)A beach; and

(d)A place to which the public have access, whether as of right or not; and

(e)All bridges, culverts, ferries, and fords forming part of a road or street or motorway, or a place referred to in paragraph (d):

(f)All sites at which vehicles may be weighed for the purposes of this Act or any other enactment:

[Motig]

Thanks for bringing that up myvice.I :spudwave: agree whole heartedly with your concerns re ACC etc

[scooterboynz]

The beach is considered a public road and the same rules and speed limits apply I suppose.
i read in the herald website that the police we having trouble retrieving the body because it was so far away from any access roads up in the dunes ,,, so ow can they be considered as a public road? still its very sad , RIP

[Beemer]

We went for a walk along Waitarere Beach on Boxing Day and it was a bloody nightmare - cars, 4WDs and quad bikes everywhere. The speed limit there is 30kph but most vehicles were doing at least 50 and you took your life into your own hands as they were travelling in both directions. There was a cop in a 4WD wagon patrolling up and down the beach but they can't be everywhere at once. I certainly wouldn't want to take kids to a beach like that.

While I believe people should have access to the beach to take boats, etc. down, I don't think you should be able to drive up and down the beach. It was like a main street, with all the posers in their Jap imports hooning up and down with their stereos blasting, trying to impress the girlies.

[Hitcher]

The road toll is a crock. It makes news during holiday weekends because there's usually bugger all else to fill the bulletins. The community accepts that people die on the roads, despite the best intentions of vehicle makers, driving/riding instructors, safety equipment developers, road "engineers" and those wonderful emergency services folks.

People die as a result of road accidents at a rate of about 1.5 a day. This means over a 10-day holiday period, 15 people will die due to road-related matters, plus or minus. If LTNZ wants to include off-road vehicle deaths in the toll, so what? They already include people who die from medical conditions such as heart attacks or strokes whilst driving or riding.

[Sniper]

From the Land Transport Act, weird but true.

"Road'' includes—

(d)A place to which the public have access, whether as of right or not; and


FFS, so that means basically ANYWHERE on the face of the planet. Very broad genralisation if you ask me. But then again, God bless the NZ govt for wanting to make everything public even if its yours. Here mate, take my wife :bash:

[Marmoot]

Here mate, take my wife :bash:

pics please :hitcher:

[WINJA]

the beach is considered a public road and the same rules and speed limits apply i suppose.
yes , and occasionally enforced

[DMNTD]

i read in the herald website that the police we having trouble retrieving the body because it was so far away from any access roads up in the dunes,so ow can they be considered as a public road?

That's where I disaggree with the public road ruling too. I know that Ninety Mile Beach is considered a public road but surely that shows that the victum wasn't on it.:nono: :weird:
Anyway,PIP dude

[kro]

From the Land Transport Act, weird but true.


"Road'' includes—

(d)A place to which the public have access, whether as of right or not;

Because if this little gem of a definition of a road, company forkhoists are now required to have rego's and wof's too, because any business with a yard area freely accessable to the public, has to comply with all the same laws as cages.

The thing that gets me, is that it obviously has absolutley NOTHING, and I repeat NOTHING, to do with safety, it is a bureaucratic revenue gathering excercise, and I know this because if your company has a locked, or patrolled gate, only accessable by permission, you dont have to wof and reg your Forklifts, because it aint a "road". I wonder how many loopholes are in the law now when it comes to tresspassing.

Can you spell "more money for Helen?"

[mangell6]

The redefinition of "road' was another law amendment that Helen passed in the last few years. What would the 'toll' be if they were excluded. Statistics don't you love them.

[froggyfrenchman]

I hope no one brings up the nasty little thing of the ACC using farm bike/quad (off road) accidents to hike our rego fees up and then using the same stats to hike up the farm levies as well, caus that could caus a real shit fight! :devil2:

Dont forget mx riders!

I mean.... dont say it anyone...:devil2:

[marty]

yes but the meaning of a public place is strongly connected to the meaning of a road, and a public place is a very important piece of common law. think of this scenario if beaches weren't roads- someone is killed by a car on a beach. the beach is not a 'road', so the transport act doesn't apply. it was a genuine accident, so manslaughter charges don't apply. sorry just doesn't cut it

[thehollowmen]

FFS, so that means basically ANYWHERE on the face of the planet. Very broad genralisation if you ask me. But then again, God bless the NZ govt for wanting to make everything public even if its yours. Here mate, take my wife :bash:

That's what worries me. Is every household accident a pedestrian accident? That would put the road toll death at oh... 28,419 people last year.