Enough of the crashing

[Sniper]

It has become blindingly obvious that there are more and more of us on the roads but as of late I keep seeing/hearing about the amount of accidents. Now don't (I repeat DON'T) take this as I am saying those that had the accidents deserve it or that they were riding badly enough to have the accident. Im saying that we should learn from what they have said about their accidents.

I have read each and every thread that has been put up about the accidents in the past couple of weeks and its sad that this is happening to the best of us. Most of us learn from experience but coming off a bike is a hell of a way to learn anything.

Read what the guys have to say and take care on the roads guys. The racetracks were built to attempt to stop us from buggering around too much on the open roads or at least take off that edge. Speeding around hills gives one a hell of an adrenaline buzz, but its farking dangerous and can be quite silly but hell, I have done it, but I have no intention of exceeding my bikes limits at the moment. I want to upgrade soon because the CBR has stopped scaring me, not because I want to attempt to become the next Rossi.

Stay safe out there guys, look after yourself and your bikes and remember those who love you. Never give up what you love and always ride to live, but always make your main goal getting home safe. This is not a blah blah blah we have to always stay safe, always wear your gears, never speed ect ect. Hell, I am admitting to being a bit of a hooligan at times too. But I think a few things of late have been to make my main goal to come home to my loved one.

Take care out there guys. :niceone:

Sniper



NB: Im also not saying that we are all going to have an accident in the lifetime we ride either.
EDIT: Accidents happen, we can learn from them just some are avoidable and some are not.

[skidMark]

That is one of the bests posts ive read in a long time well said rep givin.

theres no point going for it and pushing the limits if it kills you.

ride safe aye guys

i mean ive seen people along tamaki drive going along the median through completely blind corners it's only going to take two at the same time and were gunna have a head on.

one of the reasons this forum is here is so we can give each other tips and learn from mistakes before we find out the pain of them first hand.

MA

[riffer]

Meh. Crashes seem to be part of the whole biking experience Stu.

Best we can hope for is that crashees don't get hurt much, and that we all collectively learn from others experiences.

Remember there's a lot of motorcyclists here now, and you've got to expect a few offs and threads thereof.

If its any consolidation, I haven't crashed this year yet ... :sweatdrop

[scumdog]

Wot Sniper sed.

Learn from your own and others experience, save yourself pain.

Although some here would piss on a live electric fence - twice...:eek5:

[Karma]

You take a chance getting up in the morning, crossing the street or sticking your face in a fan.

[ducatilover]

Wot Sniper sed.

Learn from your own and others experience, save yourself pain.

Although some here would piss on a live electric fence - twice...:eek5:
i pissed on a bull fence and coulnt do it twice cos i fell over:laugh: :kick:

great post sniper.:yes: i certainly will learn alot here:cool:

[Deviant Esq]

Very nicely put Stu. More than ever around this time of year - the silly season - we should be thinking about getting home in one piece, not trying to push the limits as far as we can take them. Heck, got a lot of biking to look forward to yet - why spoil the future for yourself and give the people who love you a shock visit from a somber police officer?

More bling heading for Sniper. :first:

[crashe]

The very first thread tonight that I see when I got home was "CaN down today"

Slow the farken hell down guys and gals...

Ride at your own friggen pace and not anyone else's pace.

There has been too many accidents lately.. and just one too many dying on our roads....

I do not want to be attending a funeral of a fellow biker...

So take care out there on the roads....

[boomer]

You take a chance getting up in the morning, crossing the street or sticking your face in a fan.

yes dougal!

[NhuanH]

...
Slow the farken hell down guys and gals...

Ride at your own friggen pace and not anyone else's pace.
...

How do you know if accidents are or are not caused by rider 'pace'?? Do you witness every single one? You reading too many of them Police Comms emails? You getting suckered into the whole LTSA 'speed' thing?

I think you should be more open minded about accidents.

[Sniper]

EDIT: Yes I know that we risk our lives everyday when we get out of bed. Hell Im a prime example after last year breaking my nose, breaking 8 ribs, almost severing my finger and nearly electrocuting myself in a week.

Im saying that you should just stay safe on the roads

[Karma]

This is probably gonna sound all teenage like...

But if we wanted safety then wouldn't we all be driving cars with airbags and shit?

I don't ride a bike because it's safe, I ride it because it's faster than greased lightning and damn fun to ride.

Surely crashes are par for the course... anything you can walk away from is all good... anything worse, well, at least I can say I've lived.

"You live more in five minutes on a bike… than some people live in their lifetime" - Burt Munro

[skidMark]

I blame the buses.....everything is thier fault.:oi-grr:

[John]

I was doing rolling 2nd gear burnouts all night I LOVE RAIN, nice post.

ps My power kicks in at 14 k all the way to redline it just keeps comming :)

[scumdog]

How do you know if accidents are or are not caused by rider 'pace'?? Do you witness every single one? You reading too many of them Police Comms emails? You getting suckered into the whole LTSA 'speed' thing?

I think you should be more open minded about accidents.

Without 'pace' it's a shitload harder to crash - and a lot of crashes are created by riders over-'pacing' for their abilities or the circumstances.

My oops have come from not paying attention - never noticed greasy road, not clear enough view ahead etc.

My 2 cents worth.

[Pathos]

none of my crashes have come from excessive speed more just miscalculations / bad luck. If you want to be safe don't leave your house.

no risk = no motorcycles = no fun.

believe me, I really don't want to crash but if i do well, shit happens.

[skidMark]

motorcycles don't have a reputation for being the safest thing in the world i must admit

[SlowHand]

So take care out there on the roads....

yes forum mother hen

[Sniper]

Guys, don't go picking on those offering their opinion. Crashe offered her opinion, don't shun it.

Yes I understand motorcyclings a risk. Shit a brick, don't you get it? I never said don't do it, I said make your goal getting home safe, not in peices.

[skidMark]

Guys, don't go picking on those offering their opinion. Crashe offered her opinion, don't shun it.

Yes I understand motorcyclings a risk. Shit a brick, don't you get it? I never said don't do it, I said make your goal getting home safe, not in peices.

we got it no need to shit bricks youve nearly got enough to build a new house mate when you gunna start shitting lengths of 2 x 4 then i can get started...(ill bring my own hammer i think lol) but it's the nails that are gunna hurt lol.

in all seriousness what is up with everybody late for your funerals?

sad to hear all the people going down :doh:

[NhuanH]

Guys, don't go picking on those offering their opinion. Crashe offered her opinion, don't shun it.

Yes I understand motorcyclings a risk. Shit a brick, don't you get it? I never said don't do it, I said make your goal getting home safe, not in peices.
That wasn't just an opinion. That was a gross generalisation.

I always keep getting home as an end goal.

[Sniper]

You forgot the word SAFE

[Karma]

Sniper mate... not all of us need to be wrapped up in cotton wool.

Sometimes it can be more fun when it's not safe... like shagging asian chickboys without a rubber.

[ducatilover]

dudes just red the fucking thread and actaully take note of it:mellow:
what sniper says is fucken great advice to fuckwits like [insert ducatilover here]:done: :argh:

[John]

dudes just red the fucking thread and actaully take note of it:mellow:
what sniper says is fucken great advice to fuckwits like [insert ducatilover here]:done: :argh:
didnt you ride a 650 cc on a learners and brag about speeds reached?

Oh shit I dont know I dont really read much around here, because I am busy being a holigan on the road or working...

[NhuanH]

You forgot the word SAFE
Is that not implicit?

Or you going to correct my 'grammer' again (sic).

[ducatilover]

didnt you ride a 650 cc on a learners and brag about speeds reached?

Oh shit I dont know I dont really read much around here, because I am busy being a holigan on the road or working...
note the past tense?:2guns: ;)

[John]

note the past tense?:2guns: ;)
We will see what tune you sing next year, oh and arent you fixing the "bros" up.. nah your getting a nice little GN arent ya.. good boy.

[Sniper]

Is that not implicit?

Or you going to correct my 'grammer' again (sic).
Yes it is implicit (I can't be bothered checking on grammar tonight)

There are reasons for the post but damn, I don't force them on ya. Take the post at face value if you will. But I just thought a friendly reminder just might (used very loosely) wake a few of us up.

Im a very laid back guy and few things shake me up, my message was clear, just try stay safe on the road, or you can attempt to ride to crash, doesn't really bother me.

[ducatilover]

We will see what tune you sing next year, oh and arent you fixing the "bros" up.. nah your getting a nice little GN arent ya.. good boy.
yes i am fixing the bros up.but that does not mean i'm goin to wring the nuts off it and cane it and kill myself. i think i'd rather ride for the sake of riding and meet some of the decent kb'ers:yeah: ... getting a gn? nah i learnt from that mistake.

[Sniper]

Keep on topic please guys

[John]

Ok sniper, heres how I feel.

natural selection, it just tastes better.

[ducatilover]

Keep on topic please guys
sorry dude:bleh: :zzzz:

[Karma]

Darwinism... survival of the fittest... it's a theory anyways.

I'd rather die at 25 riding bikes than live to 50 taking the bus.

[ducatilover]

Darwinism... survival of the fittest... it's a theory anyways.

I'd rather die at 25 riding bikes than live to 50 taking the bus.
will you have pies and alcohol at your funeral? and how many times have you been extremely close to death?:bye:

[Karma]

No pies... sorry... I've already eaten them all.

Been close to death every day... have just chosen not to take the pills ;)

[boomer]

Good advice sniper;

The mrs came pillion with me yesterday and told me i was too aggressive..bit of a wake up call...

[ducatilover]

No pies... sorry... I've already eaten them all.

Been close to death every day... have just chosen not to take the pills ;)
okay then.... ummm can i order pies? and lots of whiskey and vodka?:spudflip: :grouphug: :eek: :buggerd:

[NhuanH]

Yes it is implicit (I can't be bothered checking on grammar tonight)

There are reasons for the post but damn, I don't force them on ya. Take the post at face value if you will. But I just thought a friendly reminder just might (used very loosely) wake a few of us up.

Im a very laid back guy and few things shake me up, my message was clear, just try stay safe on the road, or you can attempt to ride to crash, doesn't really bother me.
I have no problems with the intent of your post Stu.

I know I don't "ride to crash" and I'd hope that the people I choose to ride with are of the same goal.

But it can (and unfortunately, does) happen. To some riders who are considered very capable in fact. That's just it, accidents can be the poor intersecting of a series of factors/events. Yes, definitely including rider error, but also a whole host of extraneous influences. Just trying to be the other opinion for these fallen riders, who are hurting enough as it is.

I just don't like sweeping statements such as crashe's viewpoint.

[skidMark]

Darwinism... survival of the fittest... it's a theory anyways.

I'd rather die at 25 riding bikes than live to 50 taking the bus.

you watched dr do little 2 as well ya little weasel and no you can't have my shiny watch

[Sniper]

Ok, I see where you are coming from and in a sudden dawning realisation I see you are not actually arguing and are just offering your veiwpoint. Thanks mate and sorry.

[aff-man]

Good post. Except for the generalisations made about speed.

Stay in your comfort zone and always leave a little room for a "way out" if something unexpected happens. Other than that shit happens so try and stay safe but not at th expence of the reason you ride:Punk:

[White trash]

Well fuck me. Good post Sniper, I'll bear that in mind next time I decide to go for a ride with the express intention of falling off.

Sorry people, you don't want to read about bike accidents, go read the Womens weekly. This is a BIKE site full of BIKERS who RIDE. Someone's gonna fall off, and some are going to want to post it.

[myvice]

Asking for help and/or advice is often a good way of staying upright for a bit longer too.
Recently had two people I have a lot of respect for (riding ability and experience) chase me around the local windys and give me advice on what I was doing wrong.
Am now taking corners wider; better view, smother lines... and faster; less braking, higher exit speed...
Its easy to slow down, but how many of us will stay 20kph slower than what we have been doing for the past 10, 15, 20+ (16 for me, still young and pretty) years? Especially when a fellow rider goes blasting past with a "lets play" grin?
Tracks are the only place we should be speeding but we can’t book them out every weekend! And road riding is so much fun. Not too many 500k long tracks with a few good cafes spread about them ether!
Most of us who ride near the edge will bin it sooner or later, how we come out of the other side is down to luck, the gear we had on, and the vital two seconds we had to prepare for the impact.
The reason I had my last crash was a bad habit that caught up with me, and we all have them. My mistake was not seeking advice earlier.
There is no pride swallowing to ask for a few pointers, you want to be a better, faster and safer rider? Or do you get embarrassed when you are buying a new set of leathers or a helmet?
"I don’t want to buy a helmet caus then they will think I need one caus I cant ride"
Sniper's right, we need to be safer on the roads, I've been to too many funerals and have no desire to bury any more friends.

[kro]

That is one of the bests posts ive read in a long time well said rep givin.

theres no point going for it and pushing the limits if it kills you.

ride safe aye guys



Says it all really.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

This is probably gonna sound all teenage like...

But if we wanted safety then wouldn't we all be driving cars with airbags and shit?

I don't ride a bike because it's safe, I ride it because it's faster than greased lightning and damn fun to ride.


"You live more in five minutes on a bike… than some people live in their lifetime" - Burt Munro

Yep this is true of me. I have the bike so I can chase out the demons. Some times they take a lot to extract. I have no death wish but I do need to live and get the adrenalin pumping. Ask Mrs Gixxer 4 ever if I should sell da bike. She could well move out the same day. It is the balance I need and with out the risk I do not think I would be doing it. Not PC but I have had enough of the PC shit and for me life is for living to the max for tomorrow might never come. However do not endanger others.

[DEATH_INC.]

The only point I'm gonna make is that I was doing nothing different to what I've done a thousand or so times before, well within MY limits, shit just happens!
BTW wear all ya gear:whistle:

[DMNTD]

...Sorry people, you don't want to read about bike accidents, go read the Womens weekly. This is a BIKE site full of BIKERS who RIDE. Someone's gonna fall off, and some are going to want to post it.

Ahhhhhhh reality! Accidents are a sad reality in riding whether it is our "fault" or another party's.
I speed and will continue to speed and I may fall off,has happened before ironically at 70kms though...I didn't ride to the conditions and have learnt my lesson.
Stay safe y'all

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Sniper's right, we need to be safer on the roads, I've been to too many funerals and have no desire to bury any more friends.

And this is true. The older I get the more I go to. When Flyin(sp) went down it sent shock waves around here. It changed a few of us for a while. Then ST. It is nice to get messages from ST because it reminds us of the big job it is to rebuild our lives. But I still go out and ride to my ( all be it limited ) limit from time to time cos I have to balance the shit in life. Then back to the grind stone of life. I would not have posted like this a year ago but I see life differently now and we must be the people we are not the person people think we should be. Time for a ride.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Says it all really.
Not many will push it over the limit on purpose. You have to find the limit before you can back off.

[Colapop]

Alot of the recent posts in this thread have been a case of "no one's gonna tell me what to do" type comments. Yes people are going to crash, yes people are gonna be hoons. The thing to note is that you CAN post here after you've had an accident if you're still alive - it's real hard to do it if you're dead.

I doubt that anyone here is going to go out to try and kill themselves on their bike. I think that Sniper's original comment says it right. Do what you will, how you want, with whatever gear you want - and post about it here. But he's also saying there is a time and a place. I'd prefer to see more bikers here and out there rather than less.

[crash harry]

Just my observation, but most of the crashes reported recently have been people riding within their limits who suffered a bit of bad luck / inattention. I think that sums up the overwhealming majority of bike crashes. Sure there are the ones where someone flies off the road at 60 over the limit or something, but most often it seems to be people just doing their normal thing but something goes wrong that day.

I guess the message is "Be careful out there", especially at the moment cos there are more cars on the open road that aren't used to that kind of driving. And there's more of us out there at the moment - some of whom maybe don't ride all that often

The reason I don't say "slow down" is that
1) We all know that we won't; and
2) I don't know what anybody elses statistics are like, but all 3 of my bins have been at less than 50km/h anyway. I reckon city streets are the most dangerous areas to ride hands down.

Anyways. Good luck out there folks. Safe riding. :ride:


PS: ducatilover: There'll be pies and beer at my funeral. You can come. :drinkup:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Just my observation, but most of the crashes reported recently have been people riding within their limits who suffered a bit of bad luck / inattention. I think that sums up the overwhealming majority of bike crashes. Sure there are the ones where someone flies off the road at 60 over the limit or something, but most often it seems to be people just doing their normal thing but something goes wrong that day.

I guess the message is "Be careful out there", especially at the moment cos there are more cars on the open road that aren't used to that kind of driving. And there's more of us out there at the moment - some of whom maybe don't ride all that often

The reason I don't say "slow down" is that
1) We all know that we won't; and
2) I don't know what anybody elses statistics are like, but all 3 of my bins have been at less than 50km/h anyway. I reckon city streets are the most dangerous areas to ride hands down.

Anyways. Good luck out there folks. Safe riding. :ride:


PS: ducatilover: There'll be pies and beer at my funeral. You can come. :drinkup:

This is good. All of it. It is true that if I ride hard and fast I concentrate to the max. If I have an off day and just cruse behind the traffic it is more likely I will run in to stuff.

[ducatilover]

PS: ducatilover: There'll be pies and beer at my funeral. You can come. :drinkup:
thanks:Punk: :Punk: thats really kind of you:corn:

[Hitcher]

Advice from the one-armed typiste: Concentrate on the road ahead at all times, and watch your following distance.

[Str8 Jacket]

Concentrate on the road ahead at all times, and watch your following distance.

Yeep if I'd have my done that it wouldve saved me from my first accident, bike was a write of.... no speed involved either. But I get what your saying Sniper.....

[SPman]

.. accidents can be the poor intersecting of a series of factors/events.....
..and all we can try and do is minimise the chances of shit happening, within the context of the way we ride! All life is a risk balance equation..despite what the safety nazis would have us believe. It is up to the individual to assess the ultimate risk/enjoyment/danger to others, equation for themselves and factor that into their riding, as indeed, their life.
If it all turns pear shaped, all you can hope for is that youve taken sufficient measures to protect yourself, to your satisfaction.
Speed is rarely a cause in itself - unless you count the fact the vehicle was actually moving! Of the 8 offs Ive had, over 35yrs, - only 2 have been over 50K!

[pritch]

Safe motorcycling is basically about risk assessment and risk management.

Then again the average persons understanding of risk assessment is such that it's not uncommon to meet smokers who worry about terrorism...

[cowboyz]

didnt you ride a 650 cc on a learners and brag about speeds reached?



Yep, and he binned it. whats your point? Are you using ducatilover as an example of why we should slow down?

[cowboyz]

Just my observation, but most of the crashes reported recently have been people riding within their limits who suffered a bit of bad luck / inattention.


Ever notice that the more you learn, the luckier you become?

[crash harry]

Can't dissagree with you there cowboyz

[MadDuck]

Ever notice that the more you learn, the luckier you become?

Yes luck has a heap to do with it.

Today was a very very lucky day...I had a 4wd decide to Uturn in front of me - lucky I done the Bronze course and emergency braking...and blardy lucky the rider behind me saw what was happening so as not to go up my ass.

On the return some dickhead decides he wants my lane on the motorway cuts in oblivious to life in general. (I have his rego and he will hear from me).

Either incident could have had a very different outcome....neither invovled speed.

[Brett]

No one can stop you guys fom riding however you want to, me?, I have had to slow myself down 'cause i noticed exactly what sniper has pointed out. I want to continue riding for many years yet...hell i haven't even owned my 636 yet!!

[KATWYN]

Not many will push it over the limit on purpose. You have to find the limit before you can back off.

True. finding the limit can be too late too - some of us may not get
the same chance as the rest of us to adjust our riding cos unfortunetely
we kill ourselves in the process

[Biff]

I'd just like to use this thread to say to every poor bugger that's binned recently:

Hope you recover soon, sorry to hear about the bin.

It must be summer.