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[James Deuce]

Ever noticed how some relatives bore you to tears at family get togethers? How Christmas always seems to pack 96 hours of torture into 2 days?

Kiwibiker is unique, but is wavering on the edge of a precipice.

My "thing" is communication. Riding a bike lets me commune with the environment in a way that city bound folk don't understand, and that country folk can grasp but refuse to acknowledge as an acceptable pass time (generally) because we as a collective group, on or off-road, have the potential to sidestep generally acceptable behaviour (legal limits) at will. As a syntagm of the transport paradigm we can avoid rules, flout laws, and enjoy activities that hurts us, sometimes fatally. But we "get " how that can happen, and to a certain extent celebrate the vitality of our existence.

But communication carries a burden of responsibility. Kiwibiker is not a normal forum based Internet syntagm. It is a paradigm in its own right. We have created something that broaches physical and virtual communication barriers, and as such we are leading the human conciousness in integrating communication media.

We are a specialist group. We have an interest in that improbable transport medium, the two-wheeled conveyance, that doesn't fall over unless we fall off, or forget to put a foot down.

That means YOU. You do something that diverges from the historical flow of human experience. Not only do you use a means of transport that has a tenuous grasp on the physical world, you use an electronic medium that has only become a valid vehicle of discourse in human experience in only the last 3 generations of human beings.

So why do so many of you forget that there is a person on the other end of your sometimes outrageous, almost violent accusatory posts and private messages, go out of your way to poison such a fantastic blooming of human communication conciousness, one with extreme emotional and mental impact that exceeds anything that we have done before as a race? This opportunity will pass.

This freedom of human expression, even limited to a subject that can be defined as a suck, bang, blow motive power, strung together between two wheels, defies comprehension for out grandparents generation. I don't care if you are 15 or 50, your Grandparents did not have the scope available to them to say what they thought, to add to the collective conciousness.

All the people you meet on here are real. You could go for a ride with them tomorrow. I guarantee you would find something about them to like.

Because they are more you than not.

Stop being rude to your siblings. We get Christmas every day, and we should not let boredom, ennui, and familiarity lessen our experience of our fellow beings human.

[Marmoot]

You're not getting any sex tonight, are you? :scratch:

[Pathos]

um wouldn't a "please be polite" be easier on the brain...:bash:

[idb]

Sheeeiit Jim2!
You've discovered drugs or red wine.

For what it's worth I enjoy KB even though in the short 18 months or so I've been here it has certainly changed.
I have noticed that many of the threads have become more inane (witness 'To Pee Or Not To Pee' - that reminds me I must resurrect that) and there are a lot of members that don't accept disagreement or recognise irony.

Also...to me down here the KB environment is mostly a 'cyberspace' thing whereas to youse up there it is more real.

Anyway, at the end of the day, it's like being at the pub. If you don't want to talk to a person you can either get into a fight with them or ignore them and stick to your own group.

[Sniper]

Very nicely said Jim. :niceone:

[White trash]

Nice thought. Wont work.

You know why? Because unfortunately there's people on here (myself included) who have small pecker syndrome and enjoy mercilessly ribbing others who also have small pecker syndrome.

And some of them have nothing to like.........

[skelstar]

For some people, its hard for them to say 'Jim2[or equivalent], I like you....I think you are neat'. The mechanism they use is to rib another, or give them a very hard time. You are right that sometimes it is malicious and improper, but its difficult to tell the difference in some cases.

I still think Poos is a twat though :). note well placed smilie

btw - my head hurts from dictionary.com-ing furiously.

[MSTRS]

btw - my head hurts from dictionary.com-ing furiously.
Please use correct punctuation.
Should read - BTW - my head hurts from dictionary. Coming furiously.
Hint - it's all those big words. You should use another publication with 'big' things in it for inspiration.:shifty:

[DMNTD]

Agree with ya Jim2 but as the saying goes "you can please....".
I haven't been a member here long but have taken some bloody useful info from here,met some good/hardcase riders and their mates,learnt some alternative routes to take and so on. Only got MYSELF pissed off at one member (:2guns: racist:tugger: ) but got over that quick as it was merely words on my screen and I don't intend on meeting that particular person anyway.
Great site...Looking forward to meeting others in the future :ride:



...btw - my head hurts from dictionary.com-ing furiously. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Yep!

[flyingscotsman]

Agree with you that KB is a unique communcation medium :grouphug: My belief is that people only piss you off if you let them.

[Zed]

Pretty deep post Jim!

IMO, internet forums *should* remain impersonal, unless we are actively meeting other members face to face and then communicating online. There are many on here who don't participate in KB meetings & events so they remain strangers in a sense and miss out on the 'putting a face to the online persona' experience. Maybe it should be made compulsory for all members to attend one meeting/event every three months or summat just so we all keep a clear perspective that we are talking to real people through our computers.

At the end of the day we are all unique individuals, with personalities and characters that can clash from time to time. Meeting one another in the flesh has a way of healing those clashes and forming a stronger, healthier relationship with other members, and I am speaking from experience. :ride:

[yungatart]

Very thoughtful post Jim. For myself I just treat everybody with the respect they deserve, or if they don't deserve any because they are prats, then I treat them as I wish to be treated-its easy really!

[cowpoos]

jeeez jim you must be a stink speller....heaps of words in your post that mean nothing to me :wacko:

[dangerous]

So why do so many of you forget that there is a person on the other end of your sometimes outrageous, almost violent accusatory posts and private messages,
Well, IMHO the human is just another animal at the end of the day, be it on line, at work or road rage.... 'survival' is what powers the most of us which means putting others down in order to keep our heads above water..... 'greed' is our biggest down fall.
Instinct to survive.... some people are just born wankers, always have been always will be, so things wont change around here as WT says.
....... Me I dont let them bother me as there is way to much good shit going on to get involved in (takes less effort to) nice thread Jim.... but deaf ears and alll that :apint:

[manuboy]

I've noticed the change in flavour recently. I've noticed the absence of some of the peeps i used to enjoy reading a lot. But i haven't formulated any deep theories. The forum still has it's good points.

I have wondered at the diff b'twixt this and the SV1000 forum. They tend to go about their forum business in a more focused way (okay, so it's limited to one make mainly).

And there are fark all "momma's gonna knock you down" posts. In fact i can't remember seeing one - somebody will probably post a url that blows that but i'm saying they seem to get on 99.9% of the time - far less macho-remote-bullshit.

Which makes me laugh, cos in my meagre experience, it's the people that don't bother giving you the verbal that you really need to be concerned with.

Maybe it's the kiwi psyche - we love to knock eachother round, but the sv1000 forum users seem a little more united by the ties that bind them.

I'm all for the good ol ribbing - as long as there's an underlying "she's right mate"...

[manuboy]

Dangerous is a wanker..... :yeah:

and Cook me some eggs Joni

and learn to wheelie **R1**

and why is there a condom in my exhaust? stay away from my bike you dodgy dodgy prick!

[DMNTD]

...Which makes me laugh, cos in my meagre experience, it's the people that don't bother giving you the verbal that you really need to be concerned with.
To bloody right,generally is more mature.
Be aware of the smiling assasin:wari:

[dangerous]

Dangerous is a wanker..... :yeah:
and Cook me some eggs Joni
and learn to wheelie **R1**
Takes one to know one :Punk: besides, its mine I will do with it what ever I please :woohoo:

sunny side down please Joni :)

Yeahhhhhhh.............. right :shifty:

PS: Manuboy.... why is there a condom dangling out ya left hand SV pipe? told ya before if you come round here to fuk with ya bike clean up my garage after ya please. :clap:

NB: Manu edited his post above after I posted this

[cowpoos]

and why is there a condom in my exhaust? stay away from my bike you dodgy dodgy prick!

why bother with a condom...or was you cock in there first?

[manuboy]

after saying that the SV1000 forum guys manage to stay on topic, look what i gone and done.

Sorry Jim2...

[oldrider]

Thanks for the outpouring Jim2. :spudwow: You have just done one of the things I like about KB. Expressed yourself in your own words.:yeah:

One of the things I was missing most about the loss of most of my old biking buddies to the grim reaper, was all the shit we used to talk!

Friends don't lose each other just because they disagree or like different things.

In our case the common denominator is the adventure of motorcycling and sharing them with other bikers. :ride:

We are made up of all shapes and sizes, age, different looks, even different genders now. (nice)

I don't think differing attitudes should be a bother to such a group. :Pokey:

Nice rant Jim2. :clap: Thank you, John.

[skelstar]

I think its difficult to compare forums. You cant compare a forum based on a make that serves people from all around the world, with a forum that serves a relatively small geographic region.

We get to meet each other (thank goodness) at trackdays and rides and share a common culture. SV1000 riders share a common peice of hardware (and perhpas a common state of mind).

I know I can [generally] rely on the knowledge of my culture and assumption of anothers, before giving them a hard time...even if I havent met them.

[Ixion]

I've noticed the change in flavour recently. I've noticed the absence of some of the peeps i used to enjoy reading a lot. But i haven't formulated any deep theories. The forum still has it's good points.

I have wondered at the diff b'twixt this and the SV1000 forum. They tend to go about their forum business in a more focused way (okay, so it's limited to one make mainly).

..

Difference is , that is a BIKE forum, this is a BIKER forum. A single model (not even single make) forum is going to attract pretty much ONLY SV1000 riders. Now , they will probably be fairly similar in out look, when it comes to bikes. After all they all chose the same bike. And, probably , in general outlook also. But KB is going to attract all sorts of bikers (and even non-bikers). Crusier riders, off-roaders, squids, sprotsbikers, tourers, commuters. They're going to have a lot of different outlooks, be coming from different places, different values.

Moreover, I suspect that the demographic of the SV1000 riders is fairly homogeneous. Not many young ones, not many older riders, probably not too many squids (might be wrong there, but I don't see the SV100 as a squid bike). KB spans the age range from pre teens to 70 odd (maybe older).

Some of the angst on KB is simply that - as it's grown it's attracted a wider variety of people. Not all of whom fit the SV1000 mould.

I belong to an Alfa Romeo GTV-6 forum. It also is very much on topic. It's about Alfa Romeo GTV 6 cylinder cars. Full stop. I'd never take the mickey on there he way I do here. Boring it is.

Don't see a problem m'self. 'Tis easy enough not to bother reading stuff you aren't interested in. Maybe the young ones need to calm down a bit, and the old ones need to lighten up a bit, eh?

[Big Dave]

You're taking it too seriously now Jim. Log off for a few days or stop opening the rant and vent and grizzle threads.

[Biff]

Shite doesn't just fly around here. It's a forum thing in general IMO. There are two Blackbird (bike specific) forums that I sometimes hang about - both of them currently have major issues with members flaming other members, hurling personal insults, making personal threats etc. It's amazing how tough some people are (and the bullshit they spout) hiding behind a PC screen. I mean nobody would guess Dangerous is really a chick who works as a crash test dummy for Tonka toys.

Oh - and I'm 6'9", 180Kgs of pure muscle and a second dan in Tofu.

[Colapop]

A genuine meeting of the minds is indeed a rare occurance. While I do claim anything in here that I would say 'in real life' I equally take what is said here with a touch of realism. Photoshop not only exists in pictorial form, forums such as this are the quasi verbal sense of it. Some comments here and invariably the people behind them are as honest as you see, others unfortunately are not. It's funny thouigh how the thruth of the personality isn't too far away from the comment. As in life there are people here that you would associate with and people you would not. The commonality here is an interest (of varying degrees) in biking and bike related subjects. Elocution does not belie the person but manners do. It costs nothing to be polite.
Well said Jim2 (not even any criticism for making my brain work)
Col

[madboy]

... syntagm... I'm impressed with that effort Jim... only one word I had to Google. But there was a spelling error Jim, so marks deducted.

The written forum is a challenging place for communicating. I don't recall the specific figures from a communications publication I read recently, but some horrifically high percentage of communication was developed not from what was said, but how it was said. That included vocal tone, facial expression and body language. How does one accurately express that online?

A person's online persona may or may not bear any resemblance to their true personality. Anyone tried hooking into a 14yo girl online? Bet they've got a hairer chest and deeper voice than anyone here... Who would know that in real-life Jim's a fat old bald guy who talks normally? Well, when he's not logged on as LilBritney14fromUtah...

Misunderstandings will always occur, people will always take things the wrong way, particularly in a diverse place like KB.

But just so those who don't know Jim or I don't misunderstand my post, Jim is OLD and since I'm catching him in the other two departments, he knows I write it with a smile on my face...

[riffer]

Yeah, well said Jim. I've had many a time when I've gotten pissed off at some of the crap that people speak on here, and I have to go away for a while.

And being a biker site, we will get all types here. Some of whom I can't stand - and some of whom I jump at the opportunity to read their posts.

Best threads of 2005 in my opinion:

Frosty's race reports
Paul in NZ's memoirs
Badcat's street-tracker project (saga)
Jim2's new bike reviews (gosh there's been a few)
Motu's discussions on getting away from it all.
Big Dave's reviews

and as for things I could do without -
pretty much everything in pointless drivel...

[Cookie]

I belong to computer software forum where off-topic banter happens, but anything unhelpful is deleted by the mods (the post stays there but the mods replace the text with "This message was unconstructive and was deleted."), and/or the thread is locked. Agitators soon get the message and moderate themselves, or leave.

I never see threads locked here but the PD thing is unique in my experience and has some merits.

The only apparent criteria for ongoing entry to this forum is that you can consistently spell your username and password, and have access to a computer. 90% of knuckle draggers can now meet that criteria.

Linking status to post counts can be useful for newer forums to generate posts, but it's a two edged sword. For a well established site like this, it encourages newbies to sign up and post any piece of crap that comes into their empty little heads (take this post for example) - so there is lots of noise and very little signal, so the old hands get fed up.

In my opinion, the alternative to what is going on is a much higher level of moderation - but I am assuming that the current level is how the senior people here want it - that's their choice.

In the meantime, I learn so much and occasionally get a laugh so you can expect to see me around for a bit longer yet :cool:

[manuboy]

Don't see a problem m'self. 'Tis easy enough not to bother reading stuff you aren't interested in. Maybe the young ones need to calm down a bit, and the old ones need to lighten up a bit, eh?

Yes yes - all very valid points (even that fact i don't have enough squids).

BUT

Make as much sense as you want, defend whatever you like about the forum. Mention the fact that you can opt-in / opt-out whenever you like. Hey. Great!

Then read some of the PM's (and i've only seen a VERY SMALL portion of them), and all the well made points and logic can take a flying fucking leap - cos there is no way people for any reason should be sending other people that shit.

No matter how well they know them / don't know them.

No matter what the circumstances are.

No matter what drugs / downers/ uppers / trips they were on.

No matter what backgrounds / bikes / age differences there are.

The line has to be drawn somewhere.

Take it to one logical conclusion. All the well meaning mods / senior members / people with an iota of decency slowly opt right out.

Whats left? The people with thick enough skins to throw as much crap as they can take?

I don't have a problem myself, but after getting let into the picture i'm not about to turn a blind eye to what Jim2 was getting at (in a wordy sorta way).

[Ixion]

Ah. The PM's. Not seen any (or received any nasty ones) m'self. But I have heard a bit . I seriously wonder if the PM system isn't more hassle than it's worth. It does , reputedly, engender a lot of unpleasantness.

[Motu]

I'm not into communication at all,and I guess that's one of the reasons I'm into bikes...it's my little world where I can express emotions,and explore engineering possibilities,I don't need anyone else there.But I do think,and what I am too shy to say in person I can express on these forums....kinda sad in an Anorak kind of way.Just think if Burt Munro had a computer linked to the outside world in his shed,to express and explore his ideas....

And like Jim I'm real disapointed in the dribble appearing on this board....i used to read everything,now I can't be bothered looking at a fraction of whats posted.

[slowguy]

I second that opinion, the crap to good stuff ratio has slid downhill in a big way

[Sniper]

Oh - and I'm 6'9", 180Kgs of pure muscle and a second dan in Tofu.

BIFF WAKE UP!!!!!

[cowpoos]

I second that opinion, the crap to good stuff ratio has slid downhill in a big way

funny that....not any where near the amount of constructive questions asked any more....people post whats happening in there biking lives....

I reckon alot of people on here wouldn't get along with alot of people on here in real life...so why should they on here...Piffft....

one thing there is too much of these days on here is bitching threads... go hav a beer or wine and lighten up....just coz its not your way....dosn't mean its the only way to be....

[manuboy]

I reckon alot of people on here wouldn't get along with alot of people on here in real life...so why should they on here...Piffft....

They should get on (to a point) because its voluntary membership. Those that seem to be slowly opting out are contributing to your supposed "lack of quality Q's and probably more importantly quality A's because some of the quality members are now no longer posting.

Their own call you might say. Partly yes. Then we come back to the BS PM's i mentioned. And it becomes obvious that you can either stick round on a forum with the likes of the originators, or just shrug ya shoulders and admit what was once a great bunch of apples with the odd rough post is no longer playing by what should have been so pretty basic and common sense rules.

So the mods step and typically get the same treatment.

i can name 2-3 of the top 5 most constructive posters when i joined now not posting - wouldn't worry me if it was peeps that didn't have anything constructive to say - but we're talking the cream here.

Anyway - it ain't all doom and gloom. And it's not about bitching an moaning. These threads are about trying to reign in the BS and give us a chance to self govern. If we're grown up enough to realise it that is...

[Zed]

I second that opinion, the crap to good stuff ratio has slid downhill in a big wayWhen did you form that opinion??

Welcome to the site btw!!! :wari:

[zadok]

I'm not into communication at all...
And like Jim I'm real disapointed in the dribble appearing on this board....i used to read everything,now I can't be bothered looking at a fraction of whats posted.
Says he with 5,587 posts!:motu: :niceone: I'm with you on the last comment.:yes:

[Storm]

Zed- it was moi posting, as I got in to difficulties with my password so just created a new account :):D:D:D:D
Thanks for the welcome though, seems the KB spirit hasnt carked it just yet :2thumbsup:

[Zed]

Zed- it was moi posting, as I got in to difficulties with my password so just created a new account :):D:D:D:D:2thumbsup:You're a dodgy character mate! :mellow:

[trumpy]

Thanks for the post Jim, eloquently put. Your'e right about the medium and its growth and potential. For my parents (who are now in their early 80's) the concept of interacting, sometimes several times daily, with something that in many ways doesn't even exist, is a paradigm shift they are unable/unwilling to make. This in only one generation.

For all your concerns, and those expressed by others in response to your post, for many of us this forum has a huge number of positives. In my 53 years on this earth (God, has it been that long...feels like a lot less) I have learned to ignore bullshit and and accept good natured (and possibly some not quite so good) banter/ribbing for what it is, a valid, and often very funny way for many people to express what they feel for the people they know and respect while often still communicating a very important point. Sometimes you have to scratch around for the good stuff; it doesn't just smack you in the face when it is sent. Witness also the genuine out pouring of care that arises on this site when any biker (site member or not) is down.

One of the reasons I left motor sport (aside from the horrendous costs for very little track time) was the fact that you HAD to belong to a club. Having been not only a club member but having also served on a number of committees, I grew tired of the continual power games that go along with having an organised structure that actually owns things. Most of the infighting was behind backs/doors/buildings etc however few (read none) had the courage to say what they believed directly to the person concerned. Sound familiar to some of you?

The joy of this site is that there is NO formal structure, there are no Presidents, Secretaries, treasurers etc all looking to improve their status or hold onto their little patch of power. (or did I miss something here?) Yes I know there are many dedicated clubbies out there who do a fine job for their chosen organisation, but human nature is what it is and most clubs suffer from the maladies mentioned.

Personally I find find the candour with which many on this site say what they have to say very refreshing. Playing a game of trying to find out what other people's paradigms are and then challenging them is something we all do to a greater or lesser extent, the problem arises when someone either doesn't understand the game, or forgets they are in one. Like others have already stated, some people really need to lighten up!
Having said that, one of the awful realities of life is that while most of us are reasonable, intelligent people learning from our and other peoples mistakes (ain't observation a wonderful thing) there will unfortunately always be a small group of people who will probably spend their entire lives wallowing in their own stupidity and there is very little any of us can do about that.......

That's it......finished my rant.

[Skyryder]

For those that get pissed off with all the crap there's the ignore button. That way you can turn a shit hot forum into a boring one. For me I just love it the way it is. This forum has everything. Info, ideas, Bike news etc. And some bloody good humour. So the language gets a bit ripe, so what. No ones complaing about the chick giving some bike a blow job on the home page.

Seems to me some of the moderataors are trying to turn this forum into a vehicle of their own. It's a bikers site not croquet club. Get with the programme J2 and stop trying make us into some thing that we are not.:dodge:

Skyryder

[Zed]

...No ones complaing about the chick giving some bike a blow job on the home page.Really? Is it still there i wonder, oh no it's gone, doh? And it wasn't me who complained...was a tad embarrasing though, a girlfriend of my Mrs was over the other night and i showed her KB only to be greeted by that avatar! :crazy:


Get with the programme J2 and stop trying make us into some thing that we are not.:dodge: Can always count on you for some controversy Skyrider! I think you just semi-proved Jims point.

[Skyryder]

Really? Is it still there i wonder, oh no it's gone, doh? And it wasn't me who complained...was a tad embarrasing though, a girlfriend of my Mrs was over the other night and i showed her KB only to be greeted by that avatar! :crazy:

Can always count on you for some controversy Skyrider! I think you just semi-proved Jims point.


There are times Zed when you realy crack me up. I've seen that avatar many times and have not taken the slightes bit of interest in it. In fact it was not untill just a few days ago that I noticed what it was. Your 'Mrs' girlfriend sees it and instantly recogniszes it for what it is. That is my point Zed and you and J2 and others who want to turn this site into a parody of themselves fail to see this. This forum is frequented by a 'many' varied lot. Because of the nature of this site that allows uncensored posts, where language ideas and yes even insults to, flow forth indiscrimantly is what makes the Kiwi biker forum unique. If others want to project their forum personaility in the same light as the personal personality then who am I to complain. But I don't want to. My forum name is Skyryder and that's whose personilty this forum will get. My real name is something else and so is my real personility.

J2 and others seem to miss this distinction probalby because their forum personilty is no differet from their real one. OK that's their choice. I've made a different one. That's my choice.

Skyryder

[Zed]

...Your 'Mrs' girlfriend sees it and instantly recogniszes it for what it is.No actually, I recognised it in her presence, in silence of course, she didn't even flinch, i was the one who felt embarrassed by it. Anyway, go on imagining what you like. And stop giving J2 a hard time for what most others have recognised as a decent thread! :spudwhat:

[John]

dont hate the game hate the player - word life yo!

[Biff]

They should get on (to a point) because its voluntary membership. ..

And it becomes obvious that you can either stick round on a forum with the likes of the originators, or just shrug ya shoulders and admit what was once a great bunch of apples with the odd rough post is no longer playing by what should have been so pretty basic and common sense rules.


Amen brother.

Twas a good time indeed.

I'm 100% behind (so far) any course of action the mods deem necessary to help clear any shite up from here.

And don't get me on to the furkin inane posting.

"It wasn't me". Thanks for that.
"I agree". Like I care?

Here's an idea - Charge per post. Every time you post, you pay.

:eyepoke:

And dump the freakin green bling thing. It causes more shit than it's worth.

[SPORK]

I'm the one you're after, yes me. I post to wind people up. Never well respected, elder members though. I suppose I do it to keep the status quo and scare away the newbies that I don't like.

When are the boxes of rotten tomatoes getting here?


1) And don't get me on to the furkin inane posting.

"It wasn't me". Thanks for that.


2) And dump the freakin green bling thing. It causes more shit than it's worth.
1) I trust you saw my flaming of a certain member with the most posts (not naming names here..), then?

2) Yeah, I got tons of rep for it too. I'm officially a bastard.

REFERENCE:


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=459824#post459824

and

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=460479#post460479

[SixPackBack]

R18 the site......to many snivelling prepubescent children dribbling shit:ar15:

[WINJA]

shouldnt this thread be in poimtless drivel

[SPORK]

Good one SPB, you really showed who's the alpha male there! I bet you get such a hardon trying to make fun of other poeple on the internet. Well I suppose for you the internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS!

[El Dopa]

My "thing" is communication.....communication carries a burden of responsibility.....We have created something that broaches physical and virtual communication barriers, and as such we are leading the human conciousness in integrating communication media.....that means YOU. You do something that diverges from the historical flow of human experience.....go out of your way to poison such a fantastic blooming of human communication conciousness, one with extreme emotional and mental impact that exceeds anything that we have done before as a race? This opportunity will pass....freedom of human expression....defies comprehension for out grandparents generation. I don't care if you are 15 or 50, your Grandparents did not have the scope available to them to say what they thought, to add to the collective conciousness.

I get what you're trying to say, but I think your attempt was probably doomed before you started typing. Human nature won't change.

People have said the same thing, and made the same sort of appeals, back at every quantum leap of communication technology. The telephone, the printing press, the written word itself for all I know.

For every leap forward there will be those who exploit it to its full potential, producing art, communication, shifts in the way we do business, or whatever. They make up about 1% of the user population.

The other 99% will be those individuals sadly lacking in any vision whatsover, who use it to write whatever the generational equivalent is of 'Og is Gay' on the toilet walls.

As you have pointed out, the internet itself is the greatest learning and communication tool of all time. And what makes up the majority of the content? Porn.

Plus ca change.....

[Steam]

It's a bikers site not croquet club.

Croquet is actually quite a savage game. You have to smash the balls of the other players, the harder the better. Nasty! I have played it once and it's fairly cool.
umm... maybe 'cool' isn't the word I was looking for. Interesting and fun, rather.

[V4ME]

Thanks Jim - I get what you're saying - I'm fairly a fairly new member and I'm enjoying the diversity - and there is so much to read that you cannot possibly read it all. But thats what makes it a great site. The headings and structure allow you to find what you like and go for it.

To find this all in one place is good and although I'm new I can already identify some of the characters and am looking forward to meeting them in the flesh.

If it was better than this and declining as some have put it - then it must have been really really good.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

Well said Jim. I have noticed one has to be brave sometimes when posting threads - someone is always gonna nitpick. I may have found a way around this - "Don't take this post too seriously - I take it as light hearted humour" - didn't get one negative judgemental reply. I thought if I was to post a thread that would please all people - I would run out of space and it would be god-damned boring.

A little more respect at times would not go amiss.

However, I have been shocked at some of the venom in some threads. I too, take time out from the KB site cos it can be depressing at times.

However, I do enjoy the site as well and have met some wonderful people - and stayed with them!!

[V4ME]

Gee BMW - I could not have said it better myself. Time out is a good thing - at times!

[Guitana]

No matter what happens we still love you JIM2!!!!!:love: :love: :love: :love:

[kro]

ennui

Dude, I love the write up, you are on the money. Along thr same lines, I get slutted off at people who use the irl acronym on message boards....... it's like, this is real life numbnuts, you communicate here the same as you have to face to face, so why is this not real life?.

Btw, congrats for getting ennui into a post. I thought that word was limited to songs like "Rattlesnake" by Live. Most excellent.

[peasea]

Ever noticed how some relatives bore you to tears at family get togethers? How Christmas always seems to pack 96 hours of torture into 2 days?

Kiwibiker is unique, but is wavering on the edge of a precipice.

My "thing" is communication. Riding a bike lets me commune with the environment in a way that city bound folk don't understand, and that country folk can grasp but refuse to acknowledge as an acceptable pass time (generally) because we as a collective group, on or off-road, have the potential to sidestep generally acceptable behaviour (legal limits) at will. As a syntagm of the transport paradigm we can avoid rules, flout laws, and enjoy activities that hurts us, sometimes fatally. But we "get " how that can happen, and to a certain extent celebrate the vitality of our existence.

But communication carries a burden of responsibility. Kiwibiker is not a normal forum based Internet syntagm. It is a paradigm in its own right. We have created something that broaches physical and virtual communication barriers, and as such we are leading the human conciousness in integrating communication media.

We are a specialist group. We have an interest in that improbable transport medium, the two-wheeled conveyance, that doesn't fall over unless we fall off, or forget to put a foot down.

That means YOU. You do something that diverges from the historical flow of human experience. Not only do you use a means of transport that has a tenuous grasp on the physical world, you use an electronic medium that has only become a valid vehicle of discourse in human experience in only the last 3 generations of human beings.

So why do so many of you forget that there is a person on the other end of your sometimes outrageous, almost violent accusatory posts and private messages, go out of your way to poison such a fantastic blooming of human communication conciousness, one with extreme emotional and mental impact that exceeds anything that we have done before as a race? This opportunity will pass.

This freedom of human expression, even limited to a subject that can be defined as a suck, bang, blow motive power, strung together between two wheels, defies comprehension for out grandparents generation. I don't care if you are 15 or 50, your Grandparents did not have the scope available to them to say what they thought, to add to the collective conciousness.

All the people you meet on here are real. You could go for a ride with them tomorrow. I guarantee you would find something about them to like.

Because they are more you than not.

Stop being rude to your siblings. We get Christmas every day, and we should not let boredom, ennui, and familiarity lessen our experience of our fellow beings human.

We need to communicate more and if the 'net gets that job done then so be it.

I think I'm lucky in that my grandfather told me tales of being gassed in the trenches in WWI, my father told me tales of the Russian convoys to Mermansk in WWII and also how he played his part at Normandy. This site is what they fought for; freedom of speech. We do, indeed, get Christmas every day in NZ. Whatever the pen-pushers do, you can still go out and earn a living, eat great food and go wherever the hell you want in NZ. Motorcycling is part of that and the people that are associated with the sport are all interesting characters. They all (like Paula and I) have a story to tell; that story only has an end when the storyteller moves to a higher plain.

The stories, however, will remain.

[zooter]

Well I developed a bad case of can't be f'd with bike chat for awhile there with my accident and come back to find a lot of old regulars having a lot less to say. I must have missed all the fireworks, seems fairly banal but civil of late.

[peasea]

Well I developed a bad case of can't be f'd with bike chat for awhile there with my accident and come back to find a lot of old regulars having a lot less to say. I must have missed all the fireworks, seems fairly banal but civil of late.

Civil?
We can change that in a nanosecond if you wish...........

[Reckless]

I second that opinion, the crap to good stuff ratio has slid downhill in a big way


For those that get pissed off with all the crap there's the ignore button. That way you can turn a shit hot forum into a boring one. For me I just love it the way it is. This forum has everything. Info, ideas, Bike news etc. And some bloody good humour. So the language gets a bit ripe, so what. No ones complaing about the chick giving some bike a blow job on the home page.

Seems to me some of the moderataors are trying to turn this forum into a vehicle of their own. It's a bikers site not croquet club. Get with the programme J2 and stop trying make us into some thing that we are not.:dodge:

Skyryder


Well I developed a bad case of can't be f'd with bike chat for awhile there with my accident and come back to find a lot of old regulars having a lot less to say. I must have missed all the fireworks, seems fairly banal but civil of late.

Generally agree with the above comments!

I'm only a very new, low posting member but even in my short time things have changed.
All sums up to one thing for me you guys seem to have banned the big bangers that waded into a thread and said something like "awww comon mate don't be a pussy" or "just thrash the crap outa it". Its just like taking rucking outa rugby your only left with the guys lying all over the ball. The colour has gone. I didn't agree with them most of the time but admired their guts and most of all they where bloody funny!!! NO one got offended, cause they offended everyone.

Bring back the rucking! This is a bikers site!

[Jantar]

Generally agree with the above comments!

I'm only a very new, low posting member but even in my short time things have changed.
All sums up to one thing for me you guys seem to have banned the big bangers that waded into a thread and said something like "awww comon mate don't be a pussy" or "just thrash the crap outa it". Its just like taking rucking outa rugby your only left with the guys lying all over the ball. The colour has gone. I didn't agree with them most of the time but admired their guts and most of all they where bloody funny!!! NO one got offended, cause they offended everyone.

Bring back the rucking! This is a bikers site!

If it was just as you say, then it wouldn't have been a problem. Unfortunately some people on here got overly offensive, and in a couple of cases even threatened other members. Standards were set by SpankMe when the site was first set up, and over the years those standards had slipped badly. All that has happened is that the standards have been enforced without favouritism.

[Reckless]

If it was just as you say, then it wouldn't have been a problem. Unfortunately some people on here got overly offensive, and in a couple of cases even threatened other members. Standards were set by SpankMe when the site was first set up, and over the years those standards had slipped badly. All that has happened is that the standards have been enforced without favouritism.

Agreed Jantar, If its abuse, Racial, sexual or personal go for it. But i've been havin a bit of a laugh in a couple of threads. The last one I read 300 odd posts and went to compliment posters on 3 posts, it was my first post to that thread and its deleted. There is one of your mods hacking pages out as fast as it can be done. And reading the drival page they seem to be in context with similar posts. And people apart from me are complaining.

[Jantar]

Agreed Jantar, If its abuse, Racial, sexual or personal go for it. But i've been havin a bit of a laugh in a couple of threads. The last one I read 300 odd posts and went to compliment posters on 3 posts and its deleted. There is one of your mods hacking pages out as fast as it can be done. And reading the drival page they seem to be in context with similar posts. And people apart from me are complaining.
If it is some posts that have disappeared then they will have been moved to http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=49155 . This happens when the posts are meaningless to the topic.

If there are enough drivel posts in a thread then the whole thread is moved to PD. I can assure you that nothing is deleted.

[Reckless]

If it is some posts that have disappeared then they will have been moved to http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=49155 . This happens when the posts are meaningless to the topic.

If there are enough drivel posts in a thread then the whole thread is moved to PD. I can assure you that nothing is deleted.

ok so i should have said moved instead of deleted. :whocares:
In future I'll only post to "my gearbox is broken can anyone help" type threads.. If that is the way you new mods want to shape this forum it's your party.
Nuff said I don't want to get myself banned as in the short time I've been here I've gone out a riden with some good guys.

[kro]

I have a hard time dealing with people who take on a Jeckyll and Hyde approach to forums/face to face interactions.

If I start going hammer and tongs at Jim2 about his opinions sucking harder than a Dyson on NoS, then what do I achieve?.
If Jim2 is worth his salt, his differing opinion will stay as such, regardless of my relentless attacks, on his ideas/person, and thus I will achieve a wastage of time, and perhaps get myself in a royal little tizzy, and say something really off.

One thing I know I will achieve is, that it will make it damn hard to meet the guy face to face, having torn strips off him, over some petty, inconsequential argument, and perhaps in doing so, lose the opportunity to make the aquaintance of a top bloke, all because I viewed my opinion as gospel, and his as horse poo.

Its one thing to throw an opinion into the ring, but it's another to flog a perfectly innocent dead horse.

[doc]

Nice thought. Wont work.

You know why? Because unfortunately there's people on here (myself included) who have small pecker syndrome and enjoy mercilessly ribbing others who also have small pecker syndrome.

And some of them have nothing to like.........

Yep this is what I'm here for mostly entertainment sort of like Grafitti. It's dropped of a bit since some of the amusing ones have been binned or whatever. Some people take it a bit seriously. I sort of think that they would't say boo in public but if this wasn't here "Talkback Radio would be busy. I just noticed that this thread started 18 months ago. Who dredged this up ? Too much going on daily to be going back looking over past topics.
The other problem is school holidays it sems to get busier, and I think some of them stay here. But I must declare that I have never met White trash and compared "peckers" I just hope mine is bigger than his.

P.S. If you give it you've got to take it.

[Conquiztador]

Most sites I have been on have had the same issues. "All the good guys are going because the site has turned to shit". "This is my last post as this site has gone to the dogs". "I was away for a short while and this is not what it used to be" "There is too much/too little moderation". "Why can you guys not be civil about it". "Ppl should be/not be banned for saying whatever" and so on.

If U don't like what is happening U have two options:

1. Move on
2. Change it.

But it is the way things go. A new site U find has heaps of attraction in the beginning. How many of us have not become a member of a site, spent hours on it, and then after awhile dropped out. Same is happening on KB. I can easily see that after been here for a very short time.

Yes, I do not agree with all that the moderators are doing. But it is their job. And I have no interest in it. I wont loose any sleep over a thread or two ending up in PD. But I have a opinion about it, and I will for what it is worth, offer it.

Good ppl (and azzholes) move on and new even better ppl (and bigger azzholes) sign up. And I am OK with that.

[Reckless]

I've had an idea! I emailed Jantar but haven't had the time to put it in writing. I had it when a mod was pulling page after page to the Drival pit.
In the mods defense, it was drival, it was off topic, but it was also fun light hearted boy type banter! I don't think it deserved what it got.

Whats if there was a place, within this place, for the people with "small pecker syndrome" or who wanna do a babe on bike thread or when a thread drifts of into inuendo and joking or to another subject it those pages could be placed and it carry on. It is often the way of normal conversation anyway. You start talking about something 10 minutes later................

Would this be a good idea or don't I need to waist my time giving it structure and writing it down.

[onearmedbandit]

You already have said place, in the Pointless Drivel section. In there you can have banter with the people with "small pecker syndrome", you can have your 'babe on bike thread', go for it. I really fail to see how people can not understand that that part of the site is actually 'part of the site' where you can continue posting. No one who participates in those forums is going to report abuse, unless it is really out of hand. So there will be little need for moderator attention. However the usual standards still apply, for example nothing illegal.

[Reckless]

You already have said place, in the Pointless Drivel section. In there you can have banter with the people with "small pecker syndrome", you can have your 'babe on bike thread', go for it. I really fail to see how people can not understand that that part of the site is actually 'part of the site' where you can continue posting. No one who participates in those forums is going to report abuse, unless it is really out of hand. So there will be little need for moderator attention. However the usual standards still apply, for example nothing illegal.

As only a 180 odd poster I didn't realise that I thought it was the dustbin. Saves me a job then thanks :rockon:

[onearmedbandit]

Fair enough. People may view it as the the trashbin of KB, that's all down to perception. The sheer fact that it's not a locked section of the forum shows that is available for use by all. Some very funny occassions here arise out of PD.

[peasea]

Fair enough. People may view it as the the trashbin of KB, that's all down to perception. The sheer fact that it's not a locked section of the forum shows that is available for use by all. Some very funny occassions here arise out of PD.

PD. A place to dwell, to pontificate; to do as you will.

Juat watch for soft-cock mods, that's all I have to say:rockon:

[Winston001]

I've had an idea!

Whats if there was a place, within this place, for the people with "small pecker syndrome" or who wanna do a babe on bike thread or when a thread drifts of into inuendo and joking or to another subject it those pages could be placed and it carry on.

Good idea - cut out the OT posts and place them in a separate PD thread so they can continue. That way interesting discussions don't suddenly disappear.

[Reckless]

Good idea - cut out the OT posts and place them in a separate PD thread so they can continue. That way interesting discussions don't suddenly disappear.


My Idea was the have a forum called "the pub" like in the main list and leave the rant and rave for real issues like bike law, current affairs etc. As most of the reason for threads going off track are because people are seein the funny side of things, or havin someone on etc. Or when someone wants to do a bike/babe thread. Basicaly what we do in the pub when we all ride together.
Same general rules apply No abuse etc etc. And it woudn't show up in "new Posts so you could only go there on purpose, that would keep the prudes happy. Off topic parts of threads could be moved there and the original carry on. This is normal conversation anyway how many times have you started chatting about your bike or how Rossi's doing and ended up so far off topic you don't know how you got there.

But they tell me PD is like this anyway you can post etc etc so no need for the above.

[merv]

I still can't believe the mods put anything in PD except abusive stuff because the threads should be left to have a life just like normal conversation flows when you're chewing the fat together. Sitting at a cafe like we were at Wild Oats yesterday if someone goes off topic we don't make them go sit at another table, we just laugh and have fun, like when BB#1 called Kinje Cringe.

I don't get it why such a fuss to keep stuff so pure - its not a disk space issue coz its put in PD anyway, so why TF just not leave it to live and we can stay friendly and happy?

Do mods not get sick of bureacracy in their working life like the rest of us so that here should be fun and not officious?

[Hitcher]

Believe me, Mods have better things to do than randomly move shit around.

[merv]

Believe me, Mods have better things to do than randomly move shit around.

So why does it happen coz its not all abusive stuff you move?

Like why was this fun thread even moved at all http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=52206 ?

Lissa talked to me about it yesterday and while it was about her she was enjoying the thread too and had no complaints. Seems like some mod didn't have better things to do.

[James Deuce]

It's a public written communication medium, not a verbal private communication.

[merv]

It's a public written communication medium, not a verbal private communication.



... geez I thought it was a forum.

The threads are even under the name of Kiwi Biker Forums.

[Hitcher]

Like why was this fun thread even moved at all http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=52206

I shall investigate.

Sometimes threads are clearly of the "Look at Moi!" type; or nothing more than MSN "conversations" in the wrong medium; or flagrant attempts to boost post count; not to mention the stuff that is vicious, vindictive, racist, bigoted or defamatory. I'm not against threads that are good fun or harmless banter. At the end of the day, it's up to a Moderator to exercise discretion.

[Reckless]

Hitch maybe a Place called "the pub" as suggested above might be less offensive to people when the conversation drifts to general banter. Or even in the first instance it could have been posted there. "a blond moment" is the type of thing you'd relay over a beer, wine or coffee. It might be better than the same place wiith all the red background where the bad people go if they are caught doing bad stuff. Although its the sort of harmless post that goes on all the time in the Angels forum. Lissa to my mind is exactly the good fun type of person we want here if we piss off all the lissa type people we will only be left with the boring farts

I agree with Merv moving it was a bit harsh. You guys have to be careful not the change things so much people don't want to come and interact. As said above bring the rucking back we are bikers.

Interaction is fun you know:yes: specially with girls.:scooter:

[Winston001]

I don't get it why such a fuss to keep stuff so pure - its not a disk space issue coz its put in PD anyway, so why TF just not leave it to live and we can stay friendly and happy?


The problem is, this is a busy site. A discussion can start on a subject and after a few posts go off topic very quickly. If it goes onto a second page, a member might jump straight to the second page (I know I do) to see what it is about.

The original point for discussion gets totally lost and people can't be bothered reading pages of posts just to find out what the issues really are. There are just too many other threads to look over instead.

Also there doesn't seem much point in posting on-topic when everyone else is ignoring it.

So if a thread goes wildly sideways, I can't see the harm in excising posts and placing them elsewhere. Only when a mod feels so inclined - after all, we are simply guests, not owners.

[Hitcher]

If the issue was as simple as threads going off topic, I'd be reasonably relaxed. However a pattern is for them to go off topic, for a bit of the personal aggro to start, a few red reps to get thrown around, and then sit back and wait for the mortally wounded to start sobbing to the Mods. A bit of pre-emptive thread management often assuages tears before bedtime.

A wise person once said "Treat people like adults and they'll respond like adults". I suspect this learned soul would turn in their grave if they ever met an Internet forum...

[Winston001]

If the issue was as simple as threads going off topic, I'd be reasonably relaxed. However a pattern is for them to go off topic, for a bit of the personal aggro to start, a few red reps to get thrown around, and then sit back and wait for the mortally wounded to start sobbing to the Mods. A bit of pre-emptive thread management often assuages tears before bedtime.

A wise person once said "Treat people like adults and they'll respond like adults". I suspect this learned soul would turn in their grave if they ever met an Internet forum...

I know but it's a hard call for any moderator to make. This is a wildly successful forum because of some wildly outrageous posts. They are funny. I guess the line has to be drawn when personal abuse means that mild decent people simply leave.

[Hitcher]

I know but it's a hard call for any moderator to make. This is a wildly successful forum because of some wildly outrageous posts. They are funny. I guess the line has to be drawn when personal abuse means that mild decent people simply leave.

You've got it in one.