why i hate this time of year

[skidMark]

this is why i hate this time of year

Problem : sponser a child they are all dying....

Solution: give all the parents condoms so they can stop breading like rabbits.

if i see another damn christmas hamper add on tv im going to i dunno rant some more or something

they overdo it to the point that i turn into a giggleing psycopath.

:done:

MA

[MidnightMike]

Or at least glad rap with a rubber band. :buggerd:

[Biff]

this is why i hate this time of year

Problem : sponser a child they are all dying....

Solution: give all the parents condoms so they can stop breading like rabbits.



I wont bite - I'll just say that there's as much logic in that statement as saying, " My house is on fire, best I hide the matches from the kids".

Why not sponsor a child? I do. An yup - I get a warm feeling knowing that my sponsorship helps to feed, keep healthy and educate the child in question so that she can become self sufficient.

You were just about to get the first dose of red rep I've dealt out in over a year. But I thought I'd piss you off even more, so I've just made a donation to Oxfam on your behalf. Seriously.

[MidnightMike]

"You were just about to get the first dose of red rep I've dealt out in over a year. But I thought I'd piss you off even more, so I've just made a donation to Oxfam on your behalf. Seriously."

Howd you manage that?

[Fatjim]

"You were just about to get the first dose of red rep I've dealt out in over a year. But I thought I'd piss you off even more, so I've just made a donation to Oxfam on your behalf. Seriously."

Howd you manage that?

Give him a break, he's from Auckland. Although I'm not too sure about him, he seems proud of the fact.

[sels1]

Give him a break, he's from Auckland. Although I'm not too sure about him, he seems proud of the fact.

and he's a proud owner of a chinese minibike thing.....like how discerning is that??

[skidMark]

nononono youve got me all wrong i would sponser one if i could afford it it's just im saying why can't they use the money to stop them having like 12 kids each because otherwise they can't get sponsers for them all bacause there is no means of population control

[MidnightMike]

nononono youve got me all wrong i would sponser one if i could afford it it's just im saying why can't they use the money to stop them having like 12 kids each because otherwise they can't get sponsers for them all bacause there is no means of population control

I completely agree. The have loads of kids, get aids them complain that they cant feed them all then go off and have another.

:chase: :doctor: :cry: :buggerd:

[thehollowmen]

Why not sponsor a child? I do. An yup - I get a warm feeling knowing that my sponsorship helps to feed, keep healthy and educate the child in question so that she can become self sufficient.


I'm going to bite back.

And the children we sponsered ages ago now have families with children which need sponsoring.

Adopt damn it, that's a better idea than these sponsorship programs.

[myvice]

Oxfam’s ok, we do the Bernado’s thing, I don’t trust any of the Christian ones, just a feeling they have an agenda.
I hate this time of year caus of all the caravan towing nomad wannabes with there 2.4 kids and a dog crammed into a station wagon doing 30kph on MY fuckin roads weaving all over the show like a pissed chook so I cant get past them caus they want to have a look at a fuckin TREE!
Don't they have trees where there from? Why don’t they stick to SH1? Why cant they just take there caravan with the Sky dish, the dog, the screaming bored to death kids and the uppers dependant wife just pull over so I can get past?
Can look all fuckin day at a tree, pissy little water fall or some other caravan/boat towing 140kg beer gutted inbreed with a flat tyre but cant even glance once into his mirror!
All this and then another 4WD driving haemorrhoid appears behind me and gets so friggin close he has a better view of my speedo than I do!
Yay to the holiday season! Wipty fuckin do!

[trumpy]

How is it that Pakistan can afford an expensive nuclear weapons programme but can't afford to feed it's children??
Priorities, priorities....

[myvice]

How is it that Pakistan can afford an expensive nuclear weapons programme but can't afford to feed it's children??
Priorities, priorities....
Its no good feeding them if your neighbour is going to invade, then all of your fed people would stave!
So you protect your self and starve your own people so they will have no need to attack! And even if they do they will have to use nukes too, so all of the people will be too dead to notice how hungry they are and the victor wins a really big carpark where no food can grow.
More starving people? No, there all toast so no problem there.
Obvious once it’s explained isn’t it?

[StoneChucker]

The main problem I have is that with alot, maybe even most of these child sponsoring charities, is that they are strongly connected with religious causes.

Now listen, I am NOT saying I don't like/believe in religion (regardless of which one), infact I've recently gained alot of interest in it, and want to persue it as soon as I am healthy and mobile enough.

Back to my point. If I donate money to children's charity, helping tsunami victims or earthquake appeal, I want as much of my money to make it to the intended receipient as possible. I know there are administration costs, but I AM NOT donating money so the organisation in question can further their message of god/religion, to people who may not want/care to hear it. I doubt very much if the parents of a starving/homeless family want to hear about how religion can save them, and what to do with their new bible.

So I plead with everyone here, donate to poverty/disaster relief (I am), but avoid certain organisations with religious logos (watch out, some are cleaverly integrated with other logos), unless you do some research and know what your money is spent on.
I am in no way saying that it's wrong to support religious charities, if you want to futher religion as well, thats fine too. I believe that that could be done at a later stage, once the more important issues like poverty and disaster damage are eradicated (an unattainable task I suspect)

I wonder why most/all animal charities have no interest in furthering the message. Possibly because animals can't be "saved"?

[Indiana_Jones]

I just feel sick sometimes when I see people asking me to sponsor a child living in India etc.....hold the f*ck on, their government has nuke up to the arm pits, but they spend nothing on their people. Now I know it's not the average persons fault, I have no grudge on them. So what we need to do is remove the shite governments.

ignore that, it's that time of the month for me :eek:

-Indy

[myvice]

it's that time of the month for me :eek: -Indy
Just load up your sing stars 80 and you will feel better in no time.

[skidMark]

....night fever night feverrrrrr ....don't even know if that in it or if in right decade:P lol

[Karma]

What about all that live 8 eh? what happened to the one before... 20odd years ago and what is there to show for it?

What about King Mswati III of Swaziland... spent £8.3million on building eight palaces... and a year or two back spent £27million on a royal jet... why then are there starving people in his country?

I believe the old saying is - God helps those who help themselves.

[StoneChucker]

Indy is right. It's depressing to think of certain countries who either can't budget, or who have really questionable priorities. They devellop their military and arms so that they are sometimes a formidible force, but let their people starve and squalour (sp.) in shyteholes. Is that the difference between civilised and uncivilised?

[Pixie]

nobody addresses the consequences if they all survive to reproduce

[myvice]

Countries that spend millions on weapons when they have starving people and other social problems, lets list them... well theirs America...

[Colapop]

Is the question feed the starving, and save a life or educate the remainder and protect the future? Is education merely a term for imposing a different cultural attitude upon those people who's culture and beliefs are different to our own? Do we/you sponsor a child and give them a chance to grow to be an adult only to repeat the cycle or continue to reinforce the ranks of the (current) rebelious armies?

I have problems in my life, whether to study or not, decisions about which bills to pay, whther or not I need a new bike. Perspective tells me I don't have to wonder where or what my next meal will be, whether my kids will see tomorrow, or whether this will be my last firefight. The decision is ultimately your own, it's just perspective that makes the difference.

[Fatjim]

Indy is right. It's depressing to think of certain countries who either can't budget, or who have really questionable priorities. They devellop their military and arms so that they are sometimes a formidible force, but let their people starve and squalour (sp.) in shyteholes. Is that the difference between civilised and uncivilised?

I feel a "guns for the poor" charity event coming on.

[Jantar]

Countries that spend millions on weapons when they have starving people and other social problems, lets list them... well theirs America...

That's a pretty short list. Are you sure that there are no others that should be on the list?

I refuse to donate to charitable causes based in countries with massive arms programs. I recall seeing a documentary on starving people in Ethiopia but in the documentary were countless RPGs at many $000s each. Aircraft that made our A4s look as old as they actually were etc. I figure if those governments can afford such weaponary then they don't need aid.

[TonyB]

Problem : sponser a child they are all dying....

Solution: give all the parents condoms so they can stop breading like rabbits.

I used to think like that. So did MrsB. We were absolutely 100% confident that it was pointless to sponsor a child, because as we saw it the problem was that "they breed too much".

Then we had kids of our own. Changed our minds very quickly that did.
I saw a program once where they actually talked to a few Africans rather than just theorising. They all said that believe it or not, having more kids helps spread the workload. You can't just turn on a tap. Someone has to get the water- sometimes that can take hours. You can't buy bread... you can't even buy flour... you grind the flour and THEN make the bread. Someone has top gather the wood for the fire...and so it goes on. Lifes very different there. Many hands make light work. Though personally, having two small kids, I reckon they're nuts LOL, surely it would be easier to live in a village/ commune situation? But then I've never had to live like that. Plus, as we all know from reality TV, every week they all have to get together and vote someone off...

Often many of these kids are starving because of war or small scale conflict. Fighters come in and destroy or steal their crops. There's no supermarket to drive to. No car to drive in. Dads been captured/ forced to fight/ killed.

For years now I've had the theory that Oxfam etc need to target their ads at men. I reckon they are all targeted at women, perhaps unitentionally, but I think they are. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I reckon guys are less likely to shell out their hard earned drinking/ petrol/ tyre/ golf money than women.
I reckon they should try an ad specifically targeted at blokes. You get a bunch of sporting personalities. A couple of Rugby and League guys, a Greg Murphy or two, and MX riders and Superbike riders. Send them off on a trip to some of the hard areas in Africa, and document their reactions to what they see. A bit of carefully selected blokey background music- say "On the turning away"- Pink Floyd and I reckon they'd start pulling in $$ from an as yet un-tapped demographic. Then again, I could be wrong:spudwhat:

[Lias]

Incoming rant (TM)

This is an issue thats been pissing me off lately.. My poor missus has had to put up with my rants every time I see one of these ads on telly (thankfully I dont watch much TV, it rots the brain..)

I swear to god I'm about ready to sit their and chain dial the 0800 numbers these bleeding heart liberal cunts show on TV with my cellphone, to see how many thousands in call charges I can rack up for them as revenge against their ads.

My other thought was to start a competing organisation called bulletfund, for every dollar you donate we will shoot one useless waste of space in a 3rd world nation to help prevent overpopulation. Whos with me?

As far as I'm concerned,. it should be ILLEGAL to donate money to starving children in Africa/India/wherever the fuck, while we still have poverty in our country. A pox apon anyone who lacks that national pride to donate only to NZ charities instead of pouring money into the 3rd world.

[hXc]

Incoming rant (TM)

This is an issue thats been pissing me off lately.. My poor missus has had to put up with my rants every time I see one of these ads on telly (thankfully I dont watch much TV, it rots the brain..)

I swear to god I'm about ready to sit their and chain dial the 0800 numbers these bleeding heart liberal cunts show on TV with my cellphone, to see how many thousands in call charges I can rack up for them as revenge against their ads.

My other thought was to start a competing organisation called bulletfund, for every dollar you donate we will shoot one useless waste of space in a 3rd world nation to help prevent overpopulation. Whos with me?

As far as I'm concerned,. it should be ILLEGAL to donate money to starving children in Africa/India/wherever the fuck, while we still have poverty in our country. A pox apon anyone who lacks that national pride to donate only to NZ charities instead of pouring money into the 3rd world.

I think that this bulletfund idea is wrong and sad but you are correct about donating to 3rd world countries when we have poverty in New Zealand. Just look at (Generalizing here but...) South Auckland, Flaxmere, Camberly, Maraenui, Waitara etc etc. Those places are just places I know of and can think of off the top of my head

[yungatart]

I just feel sick sometimes when I see people asking me to sponsor a child living in India etc.....hold the f*ck on, their government has nuke up to the arm pits, but they spend nothing on their people. Now I know it's not the average persons fault, I have no grudge on them. So what we need to do is remove the shite governments.

ignore that, it's that time of the month for me :eek:

-Indy
But in the mean time these countries have corrupt governments who have dubious priorities. So, blame the poor populous, keep them poor, uneducated and starving. Yeah, I can see that fixing the problem.

[Indiana_Jones]

But in the mean time these countries have corrupt governments who have dubious priorities. So, blame the poor populous, keep them poor, uneducated and starving. Yeah, I can see that fixing the problem.

But I'm blaming the govts etc, they need to be removed, by some outside force, or by the people. maybe in theory if you let them get oppressed to such a level that they might take action themselves

-Indy

[yungatart]

But I'm blaming the govts etc, they need to be removed, by some outside force, or by the people. maybe in theory if you let them get oppressed to such a level that they might take action themselves

-Indy
Nah- ever heard that the pen is mightier than the sword- but first the people need to know how to use it i.e. education

[Swoop]

....night fever night feverrrrrr ....don't even know if that in it or if in right decade:P lol
Nope, yer in the '70's now...:apint:

[TonyB]

But I'm blaming the govts etc, they need to be removed, by some outside force, or by the people. maybe in theory if you let them get oppressed to such a level that they might take action themselves

-Indy
It doesn't work. Not in the short term anyway. Look at Iraq for the classic example of both theories.

[trumpy]

Its no good feeding them if your neighbour is going to invade, then all of your fed people would stave!
So you protect your self and starve your own people so they will have no need to attack! And even if they do they will have to use nukes too, so all of the people will be too dead to notice how hungry they are and the victor wins a really big carpark where no food can grow.
More starving people? No, there all toast so no problem there.
Obvious once it’s explained isn’t it?

Dang! Now why didn't I think of that?

[myvice]

I think that this bulletfund idea is wrong and sad but you are correct about donating to 3rd world countries when we have poverty in New Zealand. Just look at (Generalizing here but...) South Auckland, Flaxmere, Camberly, Maraenui, Waitara etc etc. Those places are just places I know of and can think of off the top of my head
Damn right! I live in South Auckland and have no money, so send any spare cash to me and I'll go buy a new bike to tiki tour about on and report back any findings.
I can also take it further afield to do a comparison with other places.
God I'm good to you people, how many others would be so willing to spend your money?

As for the "short list" just making a point that it’s not just 3rd world countries that neglect there own in the race for more toys for the local militia.

[Sniper]

Mark, your attempt to make people like you seems to have failed miserably.

I sponsor a child and it makes me feel damn good knowing that no matter what happens, I'll go to bed knowing that there is always someone Im able to look after

[StoneChucker]

As far as I'm concerned,. it should be ILLEGAL to donate money to starving children in Africa/India/wherever the fuck, while we still have poverty in our country. A pox apon anyone who lacks that national pride to donate only to NZ charities instead of pouring money into the 3rd world.

I can agree, for native New Zealanders. But not everyone is native to NZ. As I said, it is probably best to start in one's own country, in some way. That might be what some people think when donating to forreign charities.

[Swoop]

I can agree, for native New Zealanders. But not everyone is native to NZ.
But not ANYONE is native to NZ. We are all migrants.

[riffer]

But not ANYONE is native to NZ. We are all migrants.

FFS. If we are going to bring out that old argument, we can go back to australopithecus and company.

Apologies to any Intelligent-design advocates out there ...

[riffer]

Oh - and one other thing.

We really enjoyed our Chrisco package these holidays... :eek:

[Karma]

I sponsor a child and it makes me feel damn good knowing that no matter what happens, I'll go to bed knowing that there is always someone Im able to look after

Even if it's not yourself?

*cough* spark plug *cough*

[terbang]

The only thing you could call poverty in NZ is the bay. Its all a matter of perspective I guess.
Used to do a few overnite stops in Calcutta (Kolkata nowadays) a few years back. The first one gave me a few shocks when I saw the small children outside the airport that were crippled and begging for money. They were all broken up like they had been in some sort of accident and I asked our handler as to what had happened. His reply that a lot of them had been intentionally crippled by family (?) in an attempt to give tham some sort of survival chance absolutely floored me (bear in mind that I was living in Jakarta at the time and no stranger to the third world) . After emptying my pockets of all sorts of change I took the crew bus to our accomodation in the palatial TAJ hotel and had a disturbed nights sleep. I flew out a day later with my VIP passengers, who were all complaining about their beds not being comfortable enough, making me realise that my own country was doing just fine.:sleep:

[durka durka]

i reckon that we should be donating weapons to the poor, who can go out and topple these "corrupt governments", but that's only one idea, corruption is rife throught out the 3rd world, and might I dare say even in the US of A. Once you've lived there and worked it becomes quite simply a paying off game to do business. They just call it tax though. Taking a look at New Zealand and comparing the treatment of our poorest demographic I think it is luxerious compared to the poorest in africa and asia. Solving it starts with motivating the governments in the right direction with diplomacy and UN backing. And it also starts with not just New Zealand but restoring ties with other countries like AUS and UK, and maybe USA. but i dunno i'm only a naive ignorant student who doesn't know anything....meh..donate if you want to, if it makes your day.

edit: btw, i happened to live in indonesia for 15 years so i might know something about corruption...

[terbang]

i i happened to live in indonesia for 15 years so i might know something about corruption...
Mate its a shocker that corruption (Tidak Bagus) and it goes right to the core of the society so I wonder if it can be stopped now..:stoogie:

[skidMark]

:corn: :corn: :corn: :corn: :drinkup: :corn:

living it up mate? good idea :corn: :corn: :corn:

on another note curious george just came over on the ktm duke he just got holy crap i want one sooo cool :love:

[Sniper]

Even if it's not yourself?

*cough* spark plug *cough*

Smart arse

[skidMark]

lol sniper your raxing up the posts tonight easy daisy too much pussy avatars me sees yessss (yoda voice)

ok i better go to bed getting too bored and posting crap...night

[Biff]

Stating the obvious...

India & Pakistan do indeed have shocking levels of poverty. As does China, Iran & N.Korea. All of these countries either have an alleged or declared nuclear capability. And the govt/dictator (s) of their respective countries would rather develop a nuclear 'deterrent' than channel money into sorting out social-economic shit.

Look at it from a politicians point of view for a moment, play devil’s advocate - "hmmm, pay for the development of a nuclear deterrent, which may just protect my entire country because I'm getting threatened by my neighbour or the U.S, either way 'they' have a nuclear weapon and I don't, or throw some money at the people? Although that may only serve to deliver relatively short term game anyway, due to WTO trade restrictions or UN embargoes or some other fked up political shit."

It's not just a case of throwing money at it, it's a global-trade/geo-political/ etc issue. Oh – and then there’s the shit that the earth throws at them, like earthquakes, tsunamis, the climate/weather and such like.

But at the end of this, once you've decided for yourself what is wrong with the world today, and how you know how you’d fix it all. You can't. But there's still a small child or family that really need some help, because fucking politics is far more important an issue than their welfare.

Genuine poverty in New Zealand? Give me a fucking break.

[Cookie]

...[snip]Genuine poverty in New Zealand? Give me a fucking break.

I agree with you 100 percent on this. Anyone who thinks that there is poverty here, take a little tour off the beaten track. I am yet to see anyone with "Beriberi" here but I have seen lots of cases of "McDonalditis".

Anyone who does sponser a child, good on you. I have no doubt that you are making a difference for someone.

Personally though, I've had a guts full of the current World Vision adverts with all the snotty-nosed kids and WTF does Jackie Clarke know about all of this? About as much as Lana before her - but Jackie's kids do have more SNOT. (More about this in the next paragraph).

WTF is it with the snot? Always HEAPS of snot. FFS where I live everyone tidies themselves up a little before the camera comes out, but not these guys. "Here, lets go get a close up of snotty-nose Gatunga! Quick, even better, he's got heaps of flies on him at the moment - get the camera on him!!!"

In between trying to single-handedly discredit organised religion this holidays, I was reading a bit of the latest book by Bob Jones, who spake thusly:


"Africa is in steadfast decline, owing entirely to the shortcomings of its inhabitants, notwithstanding Western handwringers' babble. Even when advantaged with great mineral wealth, such as Nigeria and Libya with oil, the net result is still disastrous because of the sheer rottenness of the ruling regimes."

Worth thinking about.

[SuperDave]

Or at least glad rap with a rubber band. :buggerd:

Or a popsicle stick and duct tape...

oh shit wait, sorry that's the third world's version of viagra.

[SuperDave]

There is a simple simple way to solve two of the world's problems: feed the homeless to the hungry! ;)

[marty]

But I'm blaming the govts etc, they need to be removed, by some outside force, or by the people. maybe in theory if you let them get oppressed to such a level that they might take action themselves

-Indy

hey i know, you could send the world police in - like, America !

[Mooch]

this is why i hate this time of year

Problem : sponser a child they are all dying....

Solution: give all the parents condoms so they can stop breading like rabbits.

if i see another damn christmas hamper add on tv im going to i dunno rant some more or something

they overdo it to the point that i turn into a giggleing psycopath.

:done:

MA

Must be hard getting all those anoying adverts with kids dying in between espoides of Celebrity Treasure Island and Big Brother eh. Bet you don't go hungry by choice. NZ is fortunate enough to have the economy to stop that from happening (and welfare). We haven't had any country try and take us over since WWII. Our own wars stopped in the 1800's so we've been stable in that regard. Only real threat is from Aussie blokes taking our women folk. We still enjoy sex and contraception is available and affordable.

Here's a point, all the people here who say they shouldn't breed, you try going without sex / love for the rest of you life, and I doubt you could. But it's not about sex, or racism, it's about dying children now.

Biff has the right idea, He's probably seen more of extreme poverty than the rest of us on his travels. (life is different away from TV and internet !) I'm getting a different perceptive of the World since living in a different country be it UK. I'll always give to charities, both NZ and abroad.

Saw an excellent documentary here following a family , having to leave their land because of drought, were self sufficient , no food , family starves, they walk the equivalent of Taupo / Wellington , 18 month child taken makes it to aid station too late and dies a couple of days later in mother arms of starvation and disease. Running on TV at the same time, Big Brother UK. Doesn't compare but has the TV ratings FFS!

If anything this thread has inspired me to sponsor a child.

As for the Robert Jones quote, sorry, too much "red neck white trash" armchair BS".

[Beemer]

nononono youve got me all wrong i would sponser one if i could afford it it's just im saying why can't they use the money to stop them having like 12 kids each because otherwise they can't get sponsers for them all bacause there is no means of population control

I totally agree - look how many healthy people who could give a child a great home have trouble having kids, yet these skinny, wretched looking individuals seem to breed like flies. I'm sorry, but I don't see the logic in supporting them to raise as many sick and dying children as they can in poverty and filth when they can't even look after the ones they have. Sterilise them, provide them with healthcare, education and food, but don't keep throwing money at them when it's obviously not doing anything to help.

Look at the problems when animals breed indiscriminately - we don't allow that to carry on, we neuter them and find homes for the young. I think it is a crime to bring more and more children into a world when the conditions are not conducive to their wellbeing. It's like women on the DPB with kids to four different fathers - let them have one, but don't keep rewarding them for breeding!

[Indiana_Jones]

hey i know, you could send the world police in - like, America !

Hay why not? They're a world power, they want to get themselves into the history books like the Nazi's. Hell every other world power got to play with it's muscles, Britain got to have heaps of fun :wari:

-Indy

[Sketchy_Racer]

I have to go with MA's first statement about the breeding thing. If you are so poor that you cant feed yourself why the f*** should you breed?? it will only cost you more. If the dumb idiots grouped to gether and worked together thay could have a plentyful country. Screw sponsoring them, make them learn.

[terbang]

Some of you redneck boys need to go and take a look for yourselves. If you were to use a little more brain power than to just simply say "fuckem" and looked past what you see on TV and also had the social concience to dig a little deeper as to why these people were like this. You would probably be sponsoring children yourselves. But you arnt going to because you belong to the (becoming more common in NZ) "slack-jaw" group that are incapable of seeing past thier own back yards. In simple words (just for you slack jaws that need them) look at the big picture here.

[kro]

While corruption still exists at the highest levels within the various governments of impoverished nations (and the wealthy ones), these discussions are pointless.
These countries are like they are for a reason. If you want to boil it down to one word, its greed.

Sorry, but this is a dead horse of a discussion from the word go.

[skidMark]

im just sick of an ad for it being on every damn ad break

[kro]

Agreed, but we cannot let compassion be replaced with annoyance.

[terbang]

im just sick of an ad for it being on every damn ad break

Quite frankly if thats all you got to bitch about then you can't be all that bad off eh? :tugger:

I hate all the ads but without them we would have to pay a lot more for our TV viewing so go and make a cuppa, get another beer, try some conversation or even resort to the "Mute" button next time the ads are on. In that way you can avoid these ads, the third world continues as it does and those of us that do give a damn don't have to put up with your ignorance.

[StoneChucker]

I have to agree with a few people here regarding poverty in NZ. Isn't it true that every citizen and resident in NZ qualifies for the benefit/dole? While it isn't alot, it must cover the simplest of abodes and the basic nutrition? Having that is the difference between NZ as a first world country and other much les fortunate countries, third world for example. As far as I know here, no one needs to be homeless or starving.

Education and social devellopment are a different matter as far as I see. The adds on tv are not for "Little Suzy has a house and food, but she lives in low demographic areas and can't climb the economic/social ladder". That is something which needs to be addressed in this country, but I don't class that as poverty!

I do think that as some have said, alot of people here haven't seen poverty. That's what people donate to, for the people shown on charity adds. Just as an afterthought, I also agree that showing more snot does not make me more sympathetic. The people in the worst situations truly don't know how diseases are spread, how hygiene is beneficial, how contraception is beneficial and how food/water safety practices prevent disease. That is yet another of the problems that need to be addressed, to slowly bring about change. Some charities are trying to teach this aswell, which I am all for. This is where practical/usable knowledge FAR outweighs religious knowledge. That can come much much later, once all other more pressing issues are sorted (an almost unattainable task, as I said before).

[Karma]

Isn't it true that every citizen and resident in NZ qualifies for the benefit/dole?

Nope.. not me.

New Immigrants into the country are not eligable for the dole or anything really (student loans, whatever) for their first two years residence.

During the application you have to prove you can look after yourself, but if the worst happens and my entire family loses all our jobs then the government just buys us a ticket back to the UK I think. :crazy:

[Jamezo]

I get pissed off when we send money to those fuckers overseas and our own kids go without. what about that stupid sand nigger that got dialysis and kiwis had to miss out. its the same thing.
why do they keep breeding? its a never ending problem. i say neuter them like dogs.

"And the award for todays most hilariously bigoted post goes to......"

*drumroll*

"Village Idiot! Say, aren't you late for a Klan meeting or something?*"



*I watched The Dukes of Hazzard last night, that ruled so hard.

[Biff]

blah, blah, blah
I've heard some bigoted crap here before, but this is the most unfounded piece of bullshit I think I've ever heard on here.

You obviously have never been to these places (that you refer to) or at least bothered to do some basic research before forming such outlandish and inhumane views - because you haven't the vaguest idea what the hell you're talking about.

Thankfully bigots like you are very much in the minority, with the majority of people in the world able to demonstrate compassion, or at least know the facts before forming balanced opinions.

Do you honestly believe that the majority of people who seek help from us are born into "filth" and "poverty"? Have you done any research before placing tens of millions of people into a neat broad category? Do you honestly believe that the millions of people that are hacked to death, had their limbs cut off, raped, starved, imprisoned every year because of corrupt govt, civil war and bigots like you give birth because they only want hand outs?

Have you been to a country such as Ghana or Bikini Faso where sudden climatic changes can destroy crop harvests for years, causing hundreds of thousand of people to starve to death?

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"The problem with many people today is that they form opinions based on gossip, underlying rascist views, selective journalism and the opinions of their peers. If they bothered to find out what is actually the truth, how inhumane humans can be to fellow humans and the utter devastation that some diseases can be in under developed countries, there may just be a chance to help the majority of the people in need out of their predicament....

...unfortunately these people are often lazy, comfortable in their cosy life, coseted by social care structures, have a secure income and are of a certain generation, yet utterly naiive to the ways of the world. Thankfully these people are slowly being replaced by a younger generation who make the effort, and appear far more capable and able to filter the utter rubbish from the the truth."

Dr Stephen Lewis - UN Special Envoy.

[terbang]

I've heard some bigoted crap here before, but this is the most unfounded piece of bullshit I think I've ever heard on here.

You obviously have never been to these places (that you refer to) or at least bothered to do some basic research before forming such outlandish and inhumane views - because you haven't the vaguest idea what the hell you're talking about.

Thankfully bigots like you are very much in the minority, with the majority of people in the world able to demonstrate compassion, or at least know the facts before forming balanced opinions.


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Biff I couldn't agree more and it stunns me to read some of these posts here in the 21st century.

I have spent a fair bit of time working contracts in the third world and like a lot of others it does change your views. I believe knowledge is power and all I see here from quite a few posters is ignorance (makes you look like complete dicks). If people are going to flap their jaws about something that they have no or limited exprience in then they will easily be exposed for what they really are, Ignoramus.
I suggest some of you guys here get out and see a bit more of the world for yourselves rather than what is offered on CNN & BBC and I guarantee your views will change.
The only reason you guys get inflamed by such ads on TV over those that drivel on selling insurance or perhaps fizzy drinks with stupid phrases ETC is that, deep down (we all know), your sense of humanity has been pricked and you are feeling uncomfortable with your own guilt.

[Lias]

Genuine poverty in New Zealand? Give me a fucking break.
Poverty on the same scale as the 3rd world? No, we dont.. But we surely do have poverty in this country. Seen any homeless people lately? Seen streetkids sleeping in the parks? Seen families living in houses without electricity? Seen the demand for foodbanks etc? Seen the number of families who rely on charity meals at xmas time? Seen how many people the sallies etc clothe, feed, and care for on a yearly basis?
Poverty in another nation, especially a 3rd world nation is NOT OUR CONCERN. As a nation, our first and only concern is the citizens of our country, and until every single citizen lives comfortably ,there should be not once cent of aid for anyone overseas. Even then, the aid should go to our allies and fellow commonwealth nations before it goes anywhere else.
I'm perfectly serious in my wish for aid groups like TearFund, World Vision etc to be made illegal in NZ, they do NOTHING for our country, and exist just to suck funds from our economy into hands of people whom this nation owes nothing. The organisers should be rounded up, jailed for theft, then deported to live in the countries they seem to love so much.

[MisterD]

Poverty in another nation, especially a 3rd world nation is NOT OUR CONCERN. As a nation, our first and only concern is the citizens of our country

Bollocks, of course it's our concern. If you think that bad stuff stays localised you're deluding yourself, why do you think there are so many people trying to get out of third world countries and grab a slice of our comfy first-world lives?

It's cheaper to help them out where they are, than house them here.

I just get p-ed off with being lectured by rich celebrities on what I should do with my money...

[Lias]

It's cheaper to help them out where they are, than house them here.

Its cheaper still to not give them a goddamn cent!

[terbang]

Poverty in another nation, especially a 3rd world nation is NOT OUR CONCERN.

Individual->Family->Town->County->Nation->PLANET

Open your eyes Lias you generally have to die if you want to leave it.

If you think we have poverty in NZ a couple of grand in arfares (more than a lot of people earn in a lifetime) will allow you to see real pverty. Guaranteed to change your views.

[Lias]

Individual->Family->Town->County->Nation->PLANET

Open your eyes Lias you generally have to die if you want to leave it.

If you think we have poverty in NZ a couple of grand in arfares (more than a lot of people earn in a lifetime) will allow you to see real pverty. Guaranteed to change your views.
Family->Friends->Nation is more like it, certainly I, and most people I know feel no responability for the planet as a whole, but then again I'm a nationalist, as are most of my friends. I'm no more concerned about children dieing in Africa than I am about leaves falling off a tree, they mean nothing to me.

[Jamezo]

Very Bad Things happen when people forget that they are human beings first, and citizens of a country second. That is all.

[terbang]

Family->Friends->Nation is more like it, certainly I, and most people I know feel no responability for the planet as a whole, but then again I'm a nationalist, as are most of my friends. I'm no more concerned about children dieing in Africa than I am about leaves falling off a tree, they mean nothing to me.

Lias the "N" in the acronym NAZI stood for "National" (English) and we all know where Nationalism went there..!

[terbang]

I, and most people I know feel no responability for the planet as a whole.
I'm no more concerned about children dieing in Africa than I am about leaves falling off a tree, they mean nothing to me.

Fucking unbelievable for one so young..Were doomed here dunnunder...

So therefore Lias (correct me if I am misunderstanding you) if New Zealand were to be attacked by another Nation or be faced with a Natural disaster that threatened you and your friends lives and thrust you into extreme poverty (because it would) you wouldn't want other countries (those people of our planet) to offer any assistance because they should feel no responsibility for what happens on our planet?
We rely on the rest of the world for our livelihood, we don't have oil/mineral rescources and rely on our produce/tourism traded to the rest of the world to maintain our quality of life. We are just a wee Island way down under with a very small population that could not sustain your lifestyle if we went it alone.
The rest of the world could probably do without us Kiwi's (some don't even know we exist) but at present we certainly can't do without them. So it is an investment in our own interest to show some interest in the way the world is.

[Indiana_Jones]

Lias the "N" in the acronym NAZI stood for "National" (English) and we all know where Nationalism went there..!

Funny you should mention that, I'm reading 'mein kampf' at the moment, and some of Hitler's views make sense to me including how he goes on about lack of national pride.

I don't see many schools with NZ flags and singing the national anthem every assembly :clap: hiel!

-Indy

[Jamezo]

Funny you should mention that, I'm reading 'mein kampf' at the moment, and some of Hitler's views make sense to me including how he goes on about lack of national pride.

I don't see many schools with NZ flags and singing the national anthem every assembly :clap: hiel!

-Indy

Nationalism is just another tool of the borgouise, to get working people to deny the interests of their common man in favour of that of the state-capitalist sector.

Feel free to be proud of what a great place we have here, but learn to look past the banner-waving and rhetoric, and look at the way nationalism affects the relationship between citizens and formal power structures.

[Lias]

So therefore Lias (correct me if I am misunderstanding you) if New Zealand were to be attacked by another Nation or be faced with a Natural disaster that threatened you and your friends lives and thrust you into extreme poverty you wouldn't want other countries (those people of our planet) to offer any assistance because they should feel no responsibility for what happens on our planet?
I would not expect any aid from those nations that are not our allies. Other nations owe us nothing.

People tend to lump all Nationalists in with the Nazis, but I much prefer to take Switzerland as an example. Switzerland is in many ways the ultimate Nationalist state. They have no desires to expand outside their borders, but they will defend their borders with exceptional viguour. They have a HUGE milita (aprox 1/5th of the population) with all males 18-49 being required to do military service , and only a madman would try and invade them.

[terbang]

Yup know all about the Swiss, flew for their national airline for a year, Lived in Basel and I just have to agree with Billy Conelys sentiments that they are just "Yodeling NAZI's". Switzerland was an absolute nobody country before WW2 that now has a healthy banking economy because they have all the Jewish (now dead from the gas chamber) wealth and all the stolen by NAZI German (now dead from Nuremburg trials) wealth in their banking system and they aint letting it go. I'm sure that they are looking after a stash from just about every despot and crook the world has seen in the past 60 years.
I have met far more pleasant people with genuine smiles and less stress living in the third world than I ever met living in Schweiz.
Looks like they are just about to get to keep Saddams money.

Define our allies there as well?

[Biff]

They have a HUGE milita (aprox 1/5th of the population) with all males 18-49 being required to do military service , and only a madman would try and invade them.


The only overseas missions they undertake are at the Vatican.

Gotta love those clown costumes.

[terbang]

Funny you should mention that, I'm reading 'mein kampf' at the moment, and some of Hitler's views make sense to me including how he goes on about lack of national pride.

I don't see many schools with NZ flags and singing the national anthem every assembly :clap: hiel!

-Indy

Yeah I have also read Mein Kampf and whilst making a few points of interest it really just seemed to degenerate into a lot of hatred and raving with a continual theme of dislike for the jews.
Try the rise and fall of the Third Reich, William Shirer..
Another perspective written by a German that will give a chilling account of where such nationalism can go..
I don't think that we NZers, as a new nation, have really found out where we are yet and are still in a formative stage to be able to experience such nationalism and we are also a mix bag of European, Asian and Polynesian people..

Mein kampf was one of the tools that Adolf Hitler used to appeal to a large portion of German society and actually rammed it down their throats. The Germans had recently lost WW1 and amongst other were obviously in a vulnerable state and so all the national pride bla bla bla apealed where it is clear, in hindsight, that Hitler had another agenda. History has proven that such nationalism has a very destructive and dark side to it and must be watched closely and that the rantings in Mein kampf were just that, Rantings of a crazy Austrian that took Germany into infamy. The book is a collectors piece as it played a part in a very prominant period in Modern History and thats where it should stay and not in the bookshelf as its relevance to 21st century life is irellevant.

[StoneChucker]

Nope.. not me.

New Immigrants into the country are not eligable for the dole or anything really (student loans, whatever) for their first two years residence.During the application you have to prove you can look after yourself, but if the worst happens and my entire family loses all our jobs then the government just buys us a ticket back to the UK I think. :crazy:
Wrong, partly. I got a student loan 6 months after I got here, and was entitled to the benefit (which I did not take, and never have taken). I arrived AFTER I got permanent residency, as we sorted that out before arriving, the safest way to do it. If you arrive here in NZ and plan to sort everything out thereafter, you need to prove (amoung many other things) that you can support yourself for the duration. Also, immigrants generally are able to support themselves, as they are usually only let into the country if they have skills that are beneficial to NZ. I'm not talking about assylum seakers, that's another matter. I'm not sure how you immigrated, or at what point you're at with it, but as soon as you get permanent residency (and obviously citizenship after 3 years of having permanent residency) you're eligible for the benefit, and all other entitlements that NZ citizens get.


But we surely do have poverty in this country. Seen any homeless people lately? Seen streetkids sleeping in the parks? Seen families living in houses without electricity? Seen the demand for foodbanks etc? Seen the number of families who rely on charity meals at xmas time? Seen how many people the sallies etc clothe, feed, and care for on a yearly basis?
Poverty in another nation, especially a 3rd world nation is NOT OUR CONCERN. I'm perfectly serious in my wish for aid groups like TearFund, World Vision etc to be made illegal in NZ, they do NOTHING for our country, and exist just to suck funds from our economy into hands of people whom this nation owes nothing. The organisers should be rounded up, jailed for theft, then deported to live in the countries they seem to love so much.
The homeless in this country surely must be citizens, or residents. They are entitled to the benefit. Lots do receive it, but prefer to waste it on drink/drugs. There are rooms to rent, and food/water/clothing in NZ which one could have, all affordable with the benefit. It wouldn't be flash, but you wouldn't be homeless. If you really wanted to, you can work yourself up the ladder slowly. Street kids run away from their parents/guardians and choose to live and steal on the street. If they weren't so "staunch" and acting tough in gangs, with education they could turn their life around too. It sounds far fetched? I'm sure I could live on the dole, and slowly work my way to a basic but comfortable existance. As for having no electricity, a good option would be to stop drinking, smoking, gambling and/or drugging. It's all about priorities. Am I wrong? Hell I could be out of touch, but it seems this way to me. You may think that's easy to say but it's different in life? I agree, but if you really hated the streets, cold, lack of food, etc, you have the choice. It is not poverty if you choose where you live, and what you do. I personally know someone who started cleaning, and worked their way up in the company to a very good job which is sufficient to maintain a comfortable existence for the rest of their life, if they so choose. This was through hard work, enthusiasm, respect(which a hell of alot of so called poverty stricken people don't have, or even understand) and ambition

I partially agree with banning some charity groups. Only the honest/effective charities should exist. I would be much happier if the money I donated (less fair administration/resources charges) went straight to the family I sponsored, or to the school/food providers that they deal with. The world is in too much of a crises to bring about considerable change, in my opinion. Too many countries are too greedy and superficial to realise their insane lust for power and wealth is destroying what little we have left. I think our generation, and possibly one or two more are enjoying the best of what the world has to offer. I doubt the world will be as open/enjoyable in 50 years as it was in the past.