Honda V5 production bike!!!

[Finn]

I saw this on Motorcycledaily.com

"Several European publications have been reporting that Honda is developing a V5-engined 1200cc sports tourer as a replacement for the CBR1100XX Blackbird, to go on sale in 2006. The bike might be called a VFR1200, and it will supposedly feature MotoGP-inspired aerodynamic design.

Rumors say the bike may be the first production model to exceed 200 hp, and if it is marketed as a VFR it would likely receive Honda's next generation of safety features. Honda currently produces bikes with linked brakes and ABS, and there is some speculation that this next-generation "Super VFR" might feature a full traction-control system. "

Google "V5 vfr1200" and there's quite a bit on it. I wonder if the next generation CBR1000rr (possibly due 07) will be V5???

I'D BUY ONE JUST TO SHUT WINJA UP

[spudchucka]

Bloody hell! I bet that'll cost big $$$$$, would be nice though!

[Biff]

I've been hearing stories like this for around 3 years now. According to Honda - it's gossip. But sure as shit there's some truth in there somewhere.

Although there was a report recently that an insider (allegedly some English guy who is Honda's top test rider) has just refused to sign off the Blackbird replacment. Apparently it handled like a dog ( no offence Spud).

I'll believe it when I see it in the flesh. And when I see it I'll buy one (if the missis will let me). Providing it doesn't have any VTEC shite in it.

[nudemetalz]

I wonder if it will have the same raspy noise that the MotoGP bikes have too.
Awesome !!!!

[Korea]

V5 1200 tourer???
Why not just a full GP-spec V5 1000 race-replica so we can all pretend to be Rossi or Hayden or Melandri...
Just kidding, we don't need a V5 excuse - I AM Rossi on the 125 Hyosung!
...and then I wake up...

[TwoSeven]

I doubt honda will every put a v-series engine in the CBR brand. I think it would destroy nearly 20 years of the brand.

They may put a v-series engine in the VFR/VTR brand tho, considering thats what they have traditionally done.

[Damon]

oohhhh!!! that sounds cool, but why would you need 200 ponies on a sports tourer?

[Mental Trousers]

Gah. Just fuck the Fireblade off and make the VFR1000 sprotsboik weapon ffs.

[Finn]

oohhhh!!! that sounds cool, but why would you need 200 ponies on a sports tourer?

Fat misses?

[zadok]

Could be a goer. After all, they have already raced the V5 for the last year now.

[nudemetalz]

and also needs extra poke to tow the trailer....

[Coyote]

Would be awesome if they had one in development

Searched up VFR1200 on google images. Like the blue version, that yellow one looks a bit funny

[Blackbird]

"Several European publications have been reporting that Honda is developing a V5-engined 1200cc sports tourer as a replacement for the CBR1100XX Blackbird, to go on sale in 2006.

It has been widely reported that Honda dealers have been instructed not to sell the new V5 to existing GSX-R, ZX and R1 owners as their willies are too small:buggerd:

[zadok]

It has been widely reported that Honda dealers have been instructed not to sell the new V5 to existing Suzuki, Kawasaki and Yamaha owners as their willies are too small:buggerd:
Oh Oh, now you've done it!:nya:

[WRT]

Two fairly different bikes in those pics there, alarumba. Like them both, love that single sided swingarm.

Wonder if this means they will be making a range of bikes with this engine? Is that too much to hope for?

[Sniper]

Honda put a v5 in a cage, so its more than likely they have experimented it on a bike and a few nutter went out and said its now in production. I wouldn't mind seeing one in the flesh, but owning one would be a different matter

[WRT]

It has been widely reported that Honda dealers have been instructed not to sell the new V5 to existing GSX-R, ZX and R1 owners as their willies are too small:buggerd:

Oh come on now, I'm sure at least some of the Honder Dealers must have respectably sized willies?

[Coyote]

It has been widely reported that Honda dealers have been instructed not to sell the new V5 to existing GSX-R, ZX and R1 owners as their willies are too small:buggerd:
What about CBR owners, since the CBR is slower than the other 3

[Slingshot]

It's time for a new model designation, they're already got:
CBR: Inline 4s
VTR: V-Twin
VFR: Sports Tourer

And they could add:
RC: V5 Race replica

[quickbuck]

Nice one WRT :rofl:
As mentioned before, there is no way a CBR will ever have a V engine. The VF means V Four in VFR, I guess there is a chance it could mean V Five in the future. As most race technology makes it's way to the road, I think there could be more than a small chance Honda bring out a V5 road bike in the near future.
Also as mentioned earlier, I too hope they don't use VTEC. I wish they just left it for the over weight 4 wheel thingies.

[Pwalo]

The NR springs to mind. I'm sure that Honad could build it, but probably only to prove that they could.

Feck, you'd be sure to build up a very good relationship with your mechanic, and bank manager. Just imagine the servicing costs, let alone the purchase and running costs!!!!

I guess you'd get used to slipping the clutch to 100 kph.

[Finn]

The NR springs to mind. I'm sure that Honad could build it, but probably only to prove that they could.

Feck, you'd be sure to build up a very good relationship with your mechanic, and bank manager. Just imagine the servicing costs, let alone the purchase and running costs!!!!

I guess you'd get used to slipping the clutch to 100 kph.

NR or RC, I just hope they build one. As far as the servicing cost goes, heck what's one more spark plug...

[limbimtimwim]

...Google "V5 vfr1200" and there's quite a bit on it. I wonder if the next generation CBR1000rr (possibly due 07) will be V5???I've thought about this already a little. MotoGP isn't going to be 1000cc forever, it is moving to 800cc. Honda picked a V5 because that would be (For them) the optimum configuration for a 1000cc motorcycle engine. But when it moves to 800cc, this probably will not be the case. A V4 or an inline 4 will make more sense again. So we end up with.. ta da! The VFR750R RC30 / RVF RC45 again. Which were very very expensive.

So if it does exist, and is made, I don't think it will occupy the same market spot at the CBR1000RR. But Honda do need a CBR1100 replacement / something to go against the ZX-14. So my guess is, it's a big bike, where people will tolerate a highish price that will come with all those cylinders. But they won't need to throw Honda mega-tech at it, because with at least 1200cc and 5 cylinders, it will make enough power. So the price will be 'high' but not 'insane' like the RC45 was.

Having said that, I promise I will do a dance if there is a new RVF800. But I don't think there will be.

[limbimtimwim]

NR or RC, I just hope they build one. As far as the servicing cost goes, heck what's one more spark plug...You will be crying, because it'll take 'special' plugs..

[k14]

So if it does exist, and is made, I don't think it will occupy the same market spot at the CBR1000RR. But Honda do need a CBR1100 replacement / something to go against the ZX-14. So my guess is, it's a big bike, where people will tolerate a highish price that will come with all those cylinders. But they won't need to throw Honda mega-tech at it, because with at least 1200cc and 5 cylinders, it will make enough power. So the price will be 'high' but not 'insane' like the RC45 was.

Having said that, I promise I will do a dance if there is a new RVF800. But I don't think there will be.
I wouldnt be surprised if they did bring out a 1000cc V5 sprotbike based on the motogp machine. It would be eligeble for world superbikes and could give them an edge over all the other I4 machines. Since the 990cc motogp engine will be basically thrown away after this season that gives honda open rights to use anything from that in a production bike now. If this happened it could see the end of the CBR, hard to know.

A V5 tourer would be good too though.

[Finn]

Honda picked a V5 because that would be (For them) the optimum configuration for a 1000cc motorcycle engine. But when it moves to 800cc, this probably will not be the case.


There's nothing stopping them building an 800cc V5.

[vifferman]

Also as mentioned earlier, I too hope they don't use VTEC. I wish they just left it for the over weight 4 wheel thingies.
The VTec in the current VFR isn't the same as in the cars - it's purely a ploy to meet noise and emissions testing, by making the bike emasucalted at lower revs. The rumoured new version of VTec for bikes is one that will disable two cylinders completely, for quiet, efficient and economic cruising.
What a brilliant idea! Motorcyclists will flock to Honda dealers in their droves to buy this, because after all, all we really want from a bike is mechanical complexity, a high price, low emissions, a quiet engine, and good fuel economy. Especially in a 1200...

[Mental Trousers]

I've thought about this already a little. MotoGP isn't going to be 1000cc forever, it is moving to 800cc. Honda picked a V5 because that would be (For them) the optimum configuration for a 1000cc motorcycle engine. But when it moves to 800cc, this probably will not be the case. A V4 or an inline 4 will make more sense again. So we end up with.. ta da! The VFR750R RC30 / RVF RC45 again. Which were very very expensive.

Honda picked a v5 because it was the best solution given the rule set - a 5 cylinder bike could be the same weight as a 4 cylinder bike. Whereas a 6 cylinder had to carry 10kg more weight.


The VTec in the current VFR isn't the same as in the cars - it's purely a ploy to meet noise and emissions testing, by making the bike emasucalted at lower revs. The rumoured new version of VTec for bikes is one that will disable two cylinders completely, for quiet, efficient and economic cruising.

Theory is that you don't require the power of all 4 cylinders all of the time, so they cut out a couple of cylinders at very low throttle openings - which saves a heap of gas and makes less noise while it's at it. Open the throttle a little though and you get full noise like normal. It's mechanically simple to do because there isn't any extra mechanical bits - it's all done by electrickery. So it is no more complicated that an engine without this form of VTEC or whatever they're going to call it.

[gav]

Why search Google, do a search on here and theres a post dated August 2004 about a rumoured VFR1200! http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=4603&highlight=vfr1200

[limbimtimwim]

A birdie at Honda told me they are actually going to use a Napier Deltic engine. "No valves are awesome" they said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napier_Deltic

As you can see, it's a bit hypnotic and confusing to watch, but I am told the first version will not allow the rider to see inside of the engine while it is running, so this will not be a problem.

Future versions could be made out of glass, however, if customer demand is there.

You heard it here first..!

[WINJA]

honda bringing out another shitter with technogadgets when all most serious bikers at that end of the market want is bulk hp and a good chassis with a reasonable build quality and no big arguements for major warranty issues .
a smart move for honda would be to buy all the dyes and moulds for the 04 zx10 off kawasaki , make the bike a different colour badge it the all new honda 07 blade and be done with it, at least theyll be getting somwhere

[Finn]

honda bringing out another shitter with technogadgets when all most serious bikers at that end of the market want is bulk hp and a good chassis with a reasonable build quality and no big arguements for major warranty issues .
a smart move for honda would be to buy all the dyes and moulds for the 04 zx10 off kawasaki , make the bike a different colour badge it the all new honda 07 blade and be done with it, at least theyll be getting somwhere

Gidday WINJA. I was waiting for your reply... was getting worried about you when you didn't respond...

[ducatilover]

You will be crying, because it'll take 'special' plugs..
mine does....:slap:
i love the idea of a v5 bike though.... it'd weigh more than a toothpick k5 thou i can garuantee that:bleh:

[WINJA]

..... and there is some speculation that this next-generation "Super VFR" might feature a full traction-control system. "


THE CURRENT ONE WHICH YOU HAVE HAS FULL TRACTION CONTROL , ITS CALLED "TO HEAVY AND NO POWER BY HONDA" YEAH JUST LIKE A 1.1 LITRE ESCORT TRY AS YOU MIGHT THOSE WHEELS WONT SPIN

[Biff]

According to Honda UK, "The Blackbird is scheduled to be replaced in the near future."

Apparently it'll paint your roof for you too Winja. Oh - and it's Asian.

I want one. Especially if it loves me long time.