Speeding

[sennandy]

I have just had a fine thru the door here in Scotland from a recent trip to NZ for speeding, bloody 111kmh in a 100 what a load of sh1t, are they this strict?

Anyway, does anyone know if this will carry to points on my licence when I get there and what is score before bans etc.

I have been fined $80 is this standard.

Andy

[Odin]

Yes they fill there quota with anyone they can nab. I have had 3 speeding tickets all at the 80$ mark. 114 in a 100 zone, 62 in a 50 zone and 112 in a 100 zone. Its just an extra road tax.

Did though have the pleasure of being "flashed" head on the other day. just wished i'd had the pressent of mind to smile and wave as i was on my bike and theres no chance they'll find me. :blah:

Sucks.

As to demerit points... no idear really.

[Sniper]

Yes the demerit points will be waiting for you return. As for the fine..... you gave them your address???

[TLDV8]

I have been fined $80 is this standard.

Andy

Were you expecting a prize ? :rofl:

That will be 10 demerit points to you Sir.

[Grahameeboy]

Yes the demerit points will be waiting for you return. As for the fine..... you gave them your address???

Are you sure?.....I was still on my UK licence and got a ticket and the points were not waiting when I got my NZ licence......sorry me again!!!

[Sniper]

Ok, I was under the impression it was different cause someone else I know ended up with the 20 demerits waiting for them and being transferred to their license when they got here.

I work in a rental car company and we get at least 6 or 7 germans a year asking us how to get their license back cause they thought the the 100 sign meant minimum speed. Aparrently they can still drive back home but for the time being in NZ they have to stay off the road. Always fun we we have to get OUR cars out of the impound lot.

[TLDV8]

Are you sure?.....I was still on my UK licence and got a ticket and the points were not waiting when I got my NZ licence......sorry me again!!!

Actually that makes sense if you are on a non resident license....if someone was to then get a NZ license later on,i can't see them dragging up old demerits to put on it.?
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The catch with the $80 being,take to long to pay it and it is added to at an alarming rate.

[Lou Girardin]

I have just had a fine thru the door here in Scotland from a recent trip to NZ for speeding, bloody 111kmh in a 100 what a load of sh1t, are they this strict?

Anyway, does anyone know if this will carry to points on my licence when I get there and what is score before bans etc.

I have been fined $80 is this standard.

Andy

Another encounter with our traffic nazis, welcome to our world.
BTW be thankful, that fine has saved your life.:violin:

[Grahameeboy]

Actually that makes sense if you are on a non resident license....if someone was to then get a NZ license later on,i can't see them dragging up old demerits to put on it.?

You will get me in trubs with Sniper now.....where is my passport.....!!!!

[sennandy]

Sniper: the bloody hire company gave them my address won't be using them again.

TLDV8: Yes I was expecting prizes because points make prizes, do they not?

Grahameeboy: I hope you are right as I don't want to have points before I even move not a good start.

What is the max points, I take it you get 10 for each speeding fine,how long do they say on!

They sound as nice as the rozzers we have here.

[Grahameeboy]

Ok, I was under the impression it was different cause someone else I know ended up with the 20 demerits waiting for them and being transferred to their license when they got here.

I work in a rental car company and we get at least 6 or 7 germans a year asking us how to get their license back cause they thought the the 100 sign meant minimum speed. Aparrently they can still drive back home but for the time being in NZ they have to stay off the road. Always fun we we have to get OUR cars out of the impound lot.

I must have been lucky.....still cannot work out how they hold the points for non-residents.....but looks like these German geezers were on Autobahn mode when caught hence their licences were taken off them.........

[sennandy]

I was caught speeding on Isle of Man and when I moved there and changed my licence there was three points waiting for me, my fine was also double residents

[Grahameeboy]

Sniper: the bloody hire company gave them my address won't be using them again.

TLDV8: Yes I was expecting prizes because points make prizes, do they not?

Grahameeboy: I hope you are right as I don't want to have points before I even move not a good start.

What is the max points, I take it you get 10 for each speeding fine,how long do they say on!

They sound as nice as the rozzers we have here.

My address is 46 Kiwi Road, Devonport if I am wrong......you can get your own back for the Jacobites....

I love Scotland......London boy but have bagged 101 Munro's........all the Kiwi guys are going "eerrrhhhhh what is a Munro?"......just the trip up is a killer eh and you get to a station and you have to jump off as the platform is too short...happy 'Bothy' days......getting mussels and having a feed.......pine pine but lucky I am in NZ.......

[scumdog]

Ok, I was under the impression it was different cause someone else I know ended up with the 20 demerits waiting for them and being transferred to their license when they got here.

I work in a rental car company and we get at least 6 or 7 germans a year asking us how to get their license back cause they thought the the 100 sign meant minimum speed. Aparrently they can still drive back home but for the time being in NZ they have to stay off the road. Always fun we we have to get OUR cars out of the impound lot.

Do rental outfits explain speed limits, double-yellow lines, etc to 'foriegners' renting their cars?? If not I would say it would be a good thing to start doing - and oh, also let them know about the loss of licence for 50kmh over the speed limit and to pull over and STOP when followed by a cop car that has a siren on and blue and red flashing lights going.

Isreaile: "Oh, I never stopped because in Isreal the Police drive everywhere with their lights and sirens going"

Unspecified: "Ah, yerrow rines? means is motorway, yes?

Also unspecified: "By goom, ah thought that were mahles an hour, don't know mooch abaht this kilometer thing" - yeah right!

[Grahameeboy]

I was caught speeding on Isle of Man and when I moved there and changed my licence there was three points waiting for me, my fine was also double residents

Sounds like Interpol have a file on you mate.........he he

[scumdog]

Sniper: the bloody hire company gave them my address won't be using them again.

They sound as nice as the rozzers we have here.

They will ALL give your home address - they have to.

And yes, we're all as nice as your rozzers over there!!

[Sniper]

Sniper: the bloody hire company gave them my address won't be using them again..

Ok, my turn to get my hackles up a wee bit. The amount of time I hear this bloody argument is starting to annoy me, but here it goes.

So you hire a car from a rental car company. Thats fine.
You get a speeding ticket in said rental car: Thats cool
You don't pay the said fine from said car and you leave the country :thats OK

But you honestly expect that when the cops come knocking for us to pay your fine we will???? I think that might be expecting too much. You sign a contract that says you will be liable for any costs incurred during your hire including fines. I can understand the annoyance at getting a fine in the mail but shit...... blaming the fact that it arrived through your door on the rental company? Thats not cool. :thud:

To put it in laymans terms. I can across and visited you. You lent me your bike and I happened to get a fine on it. Would you be happy if I gave you the fine and said, "Hey its your bike so the fine is your responsibility" :nono:

EDIT: I can understand you won't use the rental company again, but the reason you give is pretty Shitty mate.

[Sniper]

Do rental outfits explain speed limits, double-yellow lines, etc to 'foriegners' renting their cars?? If not I would say it would be a good thing to start doing - and oh, also let them know about the loss of licence for 50kmh over the speed limit and to pull over and STOP when followed by a cop car that has a siren on and blue and red flashing lights going.

Isreaile: "Oh, I never stopped because in Isreal the Police drive everywhere with their lights and sirens going"


Everyone gets an AA pamphlet in their car explaining (in 7 langauges) our rules in NZ. Also, don't get me started on the fucken Isrealies! :bash:

[Grahameeboy]

Ok, my turn to get my hackles up a wee bit. The amount of time I hear this bloody argument is starting to annoy me, but here it goes.

So you hire a car from a rental car company. Thats fine.
You get a speeding ticket in said rental car: Thats cool
You don't pay the said fine from said car and you leave the country :thats OK

But you honestly expect that when the cops come knocking for us to pay your fine we will???? I think that might be expecting too much. You sign a contract that says you will be liable for any costs incurred during your hire including fines. I can understand the annoyance at getting a fine in the mail but shit...... blaming the fact that it arrived through your door on the rental company? Thats not cool. :thud:

To put it in laymans terms. I can across and visited you. You lent me your bike and I happened to get a fine on it. Would you be happy if I gave you the fine and said, "Hey its your bike so the fine is your responsibility" :nono:

EDIT: I can understand you won't use the rental company again, but the reason you give is pretty Shitty mate.

I am pretty certain that you guys are legally obliged to give details so cannot blame you

[Lou Girardin]

Do rental outfits explain speed limits,t!

Absolutely. I tell 'em our cops are feral and 11 k's over means a ticket. 40 over means summary execution.

[sennandy]

Sniper: in laymans terms if you borrowed my bike one you would have to be my bestest mate and if you got a speding fine I would say I wasn't riding and between me and my 10mates ride each others bikes so give them the ten names and let them pick(in this case they usually through the case out). I do not expect anyone else to pay my fines but if you are offering good man! Getting a fine for being only 11kpm or even 6mph over the limit is cruel. I was joking about the hire company and apologise for the offence taken. I did the crime so I will pay the fine, and as for the AA leaflet come on who reads that sh1t.

Grahameeboy: Only for going fast, though, the funny thing was about ten minutes earlier I passed a cop car on the mountain section at 155mph on a thunderace and got done doing 50mph in a 40zone.

Lou: I wish I was told the getting done limit, but the girl who dealt with me I am sure was the "worlds only known living brain donar"

[sennandy]

They will ALL give your home address - they have to.

And yes, we're all as nice as your rozzers over there!!


Sorry Scumdog are you a rozzer? My mate is a traffic cop we are only friends with him and let him come out with us because he has a getout of jail free card?

[scumdog]

, and as for the AA leaflet come on who reads that sh1t.

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Sure - but think what reading it could save you - fines, demerits, time - even your life!
But then we wouldn't have had your rant to read!

[scumdog]

Sorry Scumdog are you a rozzer? My mate is a traffic cop we are only friends with him and let him come out with us because he has a getout of jail free card?

Nah mate, just masquerading as one - and I only let all the riff-raff, hoi-poloi, rabble, plebs and yobbos ride with me so they feel good!! :msn-wink: :D :lol: :rofl:

[sennandy]

Nah mate, just masquerading as one - and I only let all the riff-raff, hoi-poloi, rabble, plebs and yobbos ride with me so they feel good!! :msn-wink: :D :lol: :rofl:


LOL, ere ere:rofl:

[judgeshock]

This always amuses me, I generally tend to drive on the open road around 105-110. I have been passed cops before and have never had a ticket.

Now the speed limit is 100, obviously there is discretion and police are reasonable people.

Be realistic, you were doing 11ks over the legal limit. Pay the fine and learn.
The law is there and if you choose to ride/drive on the road you know it.

[sennandy]

Sure - but think what reading it could save you - fines, demerits, time - even your life!
But then we wouldn't have had your rant to read!


It has taught me to read it, expensive lesson though!

I thought it was for Alcoholics Association, since I wasn't one I thought it what the hell. lets drive like a looney in a wee 1ltr car?

I blame no one but myself for my sheer criminal speeding, and I will pay my fine, hopefully no one else will have to pay it, unless:violin:

[scumdog]

It has taught me to read it, expensive lesson though!

I thought it was for Alcoholics Association, since I wasn't one I thought it what the hell. lets drive like a looney in a wee 1ltr car?

I blame no one but myself for my sheer criminal speeding, and I will pay my fine, hopefully no one else will have to pay it, unless:violin:

You folded easily - others on this site would have demanded disclosure, the cops qualifications, the radars log and then gone for a gps to 'prove' they weren't speeding!!:yeah: :lol: :rofl:

[Sniper]

Sniper: Getting a fine for being only 11kpm or even 6mph over the limit is cruel. I was joking about the hire company and apologise for the offence taken. I did the crime so I will pay the fine, and as for the AA leaflet come on who reads that sh1t.


Mate, no offence taken. I apologise for getting my hackles up but its just such a common argument it annoys me.


Little secret, to the best of my knowledge, what can they do if you don't pay it......

[spudchucka]

Yes the demerit points will be waiting for you return. As for the fine..... you gave them your address???
Just assuming that he was in a rental vehicle I'd say that the fine has been forwarded to him by the rental company. They are unlikely to rent you a vehicle without an address.

[Sniper]

If he spoke to the officer direct and got the fine in his hand then they would have his details. If it was a camera fine, it would come to us first.

[kiwifruit]

i've been fined plenty of times for being slightly over the limit
111 in a 100 was the latest.
was travelling on a backroad at a very sedate pace (100-120)
2 highway cars came flying up behind me (they would have been doing
140plus),
baaa, what can ya do?

why were u speeding? they ask
i was speding? i ask

its not like you can do anything about it at the time.......
but
you can take it to court and make them prove the accuacy of the equipment etc.
Which its what im doing ;)

[Gremlin]

What is the max points, I take it you get 10 for each speeding fine,how long do they say on!
100, then lose license for 3 months, if I'm correct.

And it isn't 10 for each breach, breaches can go up to 25-50 points (more and more over the speed limit will also cost more), and they can apply multiple breaches at a time.

Least the country is beautiful :ride:

[calmone]

Just to add to the debate although most points have been covered. I am a Franchise Owner for one of the large American Rental Car operators in New Zealand.We always explain speed limits to our customers, most say if they speed and get caught they will pay. If we receive an infringement notice from a speed camera for one of our cars we notify the Police by letter telling them who the Hirer was at the time of the infringement. If we do not do this we can be liable for the fine as the vehicle owner. As I understand it most people are now chased for the money owing for fines even overseas. As you will apprecate over the Summer periods lots of speeding tourists return lots of $ to the Govt coffers.

[Swoop]

... I thought it what the hell. lets drive like a looney in a wee 1ltr car?

I blame no one but myself for my sheer criminal speeding...
Careful.... you might end up with criminal background - and then you know what happens...
DEPORTATION to the prison colony of Australia!!!:shit: ;)

(I'm sure that you still need criminal convictions to get IN there...)

[marty]

sounds like a camera ticket. no points (demerits) incurred for those. you could either pay the 30 quid, never to be heard from again, or write to the address on the letter (the Infringement Bureau), asking for a photo of the alleged offence, and full discovery of all evidence that would be produced at a hearing - you are entitled to it for free. if they decide to continue after you've asked for all that, then at least you're only 30 quid down, and at least you've put it off for a bit.

[marty]

and if you think that being pinged for 11k over is tough, don't go driving on the east coast of the west island - 5k over is the norm there

[thealmightytaco]

I thought you only got demerits from being pulled over, pretty certain a camera only results in a monetary penalty, no demerits.

[sennandy]

It was a camera and it was sent to me direct from the NZ Police, the cheeky bastards, put a pre-pay envolope inside and said to reply using it, doesn't really work when you are in UK, a NZ pre paid envelope.

So I think I will reduce the fine to suit and they can :chase: for the rest.

(these smilies are the best collection I have seen)

[Lou Girardin]

It was a camera and it was sent to me direct from the NZ Police, the cheeky bastards, put a pre-pay envolope inside and said to reply using it, doesn't really work when you are in UK, a NZ pre paid envelope.

So I think I will reduce the fine to suit and they can :chase: for the rest.

(these smilies are the best collection I have seen)

Send it back anyway, take photographic evidence of doing so.

[Sniper]

Yep as Lou said. Send it back to them requesting photographic evidence and also an overseas pre-paid envelope

[judgeshock]

How about pay the bill and accept that you were at fault :ride:

[Lou Girardin]

How about pay the bill and accept that you were at fault :ride:

How about making them work for their tax dollar.:innocent:

[Pixie]

111 in a 100 was the latest.
was travelling on a backroad at a very sedate pace (100-120)
2 highway cars came flying up behind me (they would have been doing
140plus),

So they did 140 plus to geive you a ticket for the "unsafe speed" of 111 ?
Did they then give each other tickets for 140?
Bloody Hypocrites

[emaN]

How about pay the bill and accept that you were at fault :ride:

'cos if everyone did that things'll never change....?
apathetic kiwis? who, us?

[judgeshock]

Not sure whether we want things to change to higher speed limits? There has to be a speed limit thats considered safe.

At the end of the day we all got our licences knowing the rules, we may not agree with them. Maybe the rules aren't always correct or realistic.

Untill they have been debated and changed, we all still know the current rules.

[emaN]

At the end of the day we all got our licences knowing the rules, we may not agree with them. Maybe the rules aren't always correct or realistic.


can't fault you there...

[marty]

So they did 140 plus to geive you a ticket for the "unsafe speed" of 111 ?
Did they then give each other tickets for 140?
Bloody Hypocrites

hey i know, just use cameras everywhere! that'll stop the police 'breaking the law' to catch you! everyone on here who whinges when cops break the law should be happy with that.

[scumdog]

So they did 140 plus to geive you a ticket for the "unsafe speed" of 111 ?
Did they then give each other tickets for 140?
Bloody Hypocrites

No shit Sherlock!?

Well, would never thought of it that way:whistle: :innocent: (Tuis moment here)



Nice troll!!!

[shadow]

Not sure whether we want things to change to higher speed limits? There has to be a speed limit thats considered safe.

At the end of the day we all got our licences knowing the rules, we may not agree with them. Maybe the rules aren't always correct or realistic.

Untill they have been debated and changed, we all still know the current rules.


oh yeah how loud can your bike be, i didnt read that one when i got my licence and is there a db reading. at the decrestion of the police isnt it, oh well in go the baffles stealth mode lol

you would think its more important to watch for cages and the road than worrying about the few mm you moved ya throttle to creep up to 111ks its a bullshit law(i mean the way it is policed) especially when you cant even pass going a bit quicker. and the money seems to go towards more cop cars, than pull in bays for slower traffic

[scumdog]

I see in the local paper that a biker was clocked at 220kmh - but not stopped - probably TonyB getting to the Glenorchy rally!
And another stopped for doing 158kmh:( he lost his licence on the spot.

And another that passed a cop-car like it was standing still (it wasn't, it was doing 100kmh) Dangerous?? was it you?

The spokesman said he had no doubt that these riders were good riders but pointed out that at the higher speed if things went a little wrong it would all go pear-shaped pretty quick and that it could endanger other innocent road users. (plus as we know, the rest of the road users had enough trouble seeing bikes at 100 let alone 200+)

[riffer]

Good point Scumdog.

However in today's Dominion Post I notice that there's a front page article about the carnage" on the road.

In particular, two accidents in the weekend seem, on the face of it, to be the result of excessive speed for the conditions.

Police spokesperson has said (no name mentioned) that the Police will be considering enfiocing the speed limit even more strictly from now on.

My concern is, that, the enforcing of the speed limit will affect "mum and dad" drivers who inadvertedly exceed 110km/hr, rather than concentrating on those who openly and dangerously flaut the speed limits.

I believe it's a lot like drunk drivers. We could lower the alcohol limit all we like and they won't stop driving.

Do you believe the police will enforce the 100 more strictly or enforce the dangerous drivers more strictly, or it a case of "when you see bad behaviour you will do something about it"?

I'd hate to be in you guys position ...

[Lou Girardin]

It's always speeding isn't it, because it's simple and easy to campaign against, regardless of the truth.
Anyone who regularly uses that piece of road would know that it's bloody difficult to speed in a cage on a Sunday full of holiday traffic. Stupidity, frustration, incompetence were probably bigger factors.
He probably thought he was bullet-proof in his 'safe' Merc.

[marty]

actually it's not always speeding lou. that's just what you interpret it to be, and that's the easiest (read - least amount of effort into thinking up trolls for) thing to comment on. eba limits are being reduced, manner of driving offences are carrying more weight (boy racers amendment for example), and at the end of the day, big brother can't watch over idiot drivers all the time, as by default they'd be watching all of us, being idiots or just enjoying our sunday coro/22/kawhia/wairarapa rides, and you wouldn't want that would you?

it's just sad that bullet proof merc dude had to take someone else when he was trying to prove his point.

[Lou Girardin]

So why don't the cops set up surveillance of these high risk areas and pull the offenders down the road. You know, like speed traps in tunnels f'instance.
Of course you'd only write a handful of manner dangerous or careless tickets in a day, so the revenue stream wouldn't be that high. But on the other hand you might put some people off the road who deserve it, which would be a pleasant change.

[SVrunner]

i've been fined plenty of times for being slightly over the limit
111 in a 100 was the latest.
was travelling on a backroad at a very sedate pace (100-120)
2 highway cars came flying up behind me (they would have been doing
140plus),
baaa, what can ya do?

why were u speeding? they ask
i was speding? i ask

its not like you can do anything about it at the time.......
but
you can take it to court and make them prove the accuacy of the equipment etc.
Which its what im doing ;)

Who cares what speed they were doing!!
They were racing each other, which is even worse than speed.

[gixermike]

Not sure if any of you are intersted, but there's a lot going on in the uk at the moment about the accuracy of Laser speed guns on bikes...www.motorcyclenew.com carries the arguments etc..it's being used to challenge several court cases over here at the moment.

Best fun this year was an advancd rider training day with the police in heavy rain, being goaded to overtake a police car in traffic who was doing the limit (60mph / 100kph) with the instructor on his bike hot on my tail in the wet at about 90mph (140K)....don't think I'd try it without the police bike following though!!

[Sniper]

Thanks gixermike

[Lou Girardin]

I was amused by a Police talking head's comments that they're targeting the "hard core" few drivers that speed.
The last few years have seen hundreds of thousands of speeding tickets issued each year.
That's some huge fucking hard core.

[Rashika]

I see in the local paper that a biker was clocked at 220kmh - but not stopped - probably TonyB getting to the Glenorchy rally!
And another stopped for doing 158kmh:( he lost his licence on the spot.

And another that passed a cop-car like it was standing still (it wasn't, it was doing 100kmh) Dangerous?? was it you?

The spokesman said he had no doubt that these riders were good riders but pointed out that at the higher speed if things went a little wrong it would all go pear-shaped pretty quick and that it could endanger other innocent road users. (plus as we know, the rest of the road users had enough trouble seeing bikes at 100 let alone 200+)
I'm curious... just what are the stats for accidents caused thru speed and what sort of speeds, and type of vehicles? Is there anywhere to look for this info?

[Lou Girardin]

I'm curious... just what are the stats for accidents caused thru speed and what sort of speeds, and type of vehicles? Is there anywhere to look for this info?

The oft quoted figure by the road safety authorities (NZ, Aust, UK) is around 30%. When analyised by independant sources, accidents caused by people exceeding the speed limit runs around 7% - 9%.
The rest are, too fast for the conditions, following too close, inattention, etc.
But it suits the cause to lump them all in with speed.

[Rashika]

The oft quoted figure by the road safety authorities (NZ, Aust, UK) is around 30%. When analyised by independant sources, accidents caused by people exceeding the speed limit runs around 7% - 9%.
The rest are, too fast for the conditions, following too close, inattention, etc.
But it suits the cause to lump them all in with speed.
Interesting. :scratch:
So there is nowhere you can go to look this stuff up?

[Suzi Q]

If he spoke to the officer direct and got the fine in his hand then they would have his details. If it was a camera fine, it would come to us first.


If he was pulled over he will get demerits, if it was a speed camera there will be no demerits.:shifty:

[sennandy]

If he was pulled over he will get demerits, if it was a speed camera there will be no demerits.:shifty:


Easy way is just to pay thefine and be on my way, that is such a better system than here in the uk, we get "points" for everything. I am on 6 at the moment for speeding, 12 and licence goes back to DVLA. Got them all in the bloody car which is the worst of it. Lucky I am moving soon.

We get 3 points usually for speeding. After 3 years they are removed from your licence, how long do your "demerits" take to be removed?