hooked second [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

Zed

12th January 2006, 21:41

All i can say is that.... found balance, and hooked second...... AND didnt run out of revs muahahaha.... :innocent:Practise makes perfect TS...feels good dunnit. Oh, and i did my first standup 2day!! :Punk:

onearmedbandit

12th January 2006, 22:55

Welcome to the club. Now that you have passed mr 1st gear why don;t you try mr 3rd, and maybe mr 4th. All very good gears. Well done, it is a truely awesome feeling.

cowpoos

12th January 2006, 23:06

Welcome to the club. Now that you have passed mr 1st gear why don;t you try mr 3rd, and maybe mr 4th. All very good gears. Well done, it is a truely awesome feeling.

bet you can't do it with one arm tied behind your back....[P/T]

White trash

13th January 2006, 08:15

Get back to me when the speedo's reading 247 in 4th boy-oh.

Actually, well done mate, it's all a mental hurdle.

bugjuice

13th January 2006, 08:46

awesome........ now share the secret??
yeah, ditto..

some stupid shit that's got in my head, is a nice ol' tank slap on landing. That's putting me off about a quarter. The other 3/4s is loopin it

**R1**

13th January 2006, 09:03

yeah, ditto..

some stupid shit that's got in my head, is a nice ol' tank slap on landing. That's putting me off about a quarter. The other 3/4s is loopin iti've had a few of those, your bike got a dampner? anything over 220ish is not nice to land....crossed up!!! A good dampner makes the world of difference......as for looping it, you need to go a whole lot backwards to loop a bike, as long as you are holding on and dont panic when it feels like its going over you should be able to smash ya tail light....

onearmedbandit

13th January 2006, 09:09

bet you can't do it with one arm tied behind your back....[P/T]

Which arm.......

bugjuice

13th January 2006, 09:11

no, don't have a damper yet. It's on the to-do list..
as for goin over, I'd rather not smash the tail light, but I have seen people get all the way over and stop, and carry on etc, which always impresses me. I'd like to do that one day, but right now, I just got to work on my 2 1/2 inches

Grahameeboy

13th January 2006, 09:25

I just got to work on my 2 1/2 inches[/QUOTE]

Can your girlfriend help on that one??

bugjuice

13th January 2006, 09:27

not always..

ManDownUnder

13th January 2006, 09:29

not always..

stop looking at me like that... I put on that rubber suit for diving - and NOTHING else...

Grahameeboy

13th January 2006, 09:30

not always..

well if she is not good enough I need some work doing around the house!!!!!

ManDownUnder

13th January 2006, 09:38

OK - ignorance flag being waved here... "hooked second" means what exactly (I can imagine, but I'd rather actually know).

And why is it such an achievement? I not saying it isn't, I just don't know :blink:
MDU

bugjuice

13th January 2006, 09:42

hooked second = engaged second gear.
it's a big deal, cos the front wheel was way up in the air at the time. So that involves keeping the bike up long enough for the (I assume) clutchless shift from first to second

and no, she won't clean your house :bleh:

onearmedbandit

13th January 2006, 09:44

For some people changing gear on the back wheel is quite a challenge, something to be proud of once you've acheived it. For some of us it just happens naturally.

DMNTD

13th January 2006, 09:50

For some people changing gear on the back wheel is quite a challenge, something to be proud of once you've acheived it. For some of us it just happens naturally.
Yep and I'd be the former of the two at this stage. Power stands are no worries obviously but doing them "on purpose" is something I do need/want to learn. Something with learning on my new bike has me concerned but have organised a practice with another "learner" too.
Results to be posted ;) :corn:

**R1**

13th January 2006, 09:56

Yep and I'd be the former of the two at this stage. Power stands are no worries obviously but doing them "on purpose" is something I do need/want to learn. Something with learning on my new bike has me concerned but have organised a practice with another "learner" too.
Results to be posted ;) :corn: Blind leading the blind?? might not be such a good idea

DMNTD

13th January 2006, 10:01

Blind leading the blind?? might not be such a good idea
Yeah but the pic's should be the goods!:slap:
Seriously though,we'll be taking it slowly and in stages and do have some good instruction from someone without L plates:yes:

DEATH_INC.

13th January 2006, 10:07

Looks like the competition's hotting up!
Good on ya TS I'll look forward to riding with ya again....

Biff

13th January 2006, 10:50

I've officially retired from even attempting a 'proper' wheelstand on my current machine (other than getting it up on the power in 1st). I got the fker up nice n sweet the other day/week - the best I'd ever managed on the Bird. I almost hooked second but shat out at the last minute. Then I landed the thing, and I swear it came down harder than a spotty teenager after a night on Elephant strength herbals. It scared the shit out of me, and almost flicked me off with the violent head shake.

And I looked like a twat trying, because they were so lame.

Fishy

13th January 2006, 10:58

Ever tried clutching it up in second at about 65-90km/hr?

bugjuice

13th January 2006, 11:13

do it all the time, good fun :yeah:

**R1**

13th January 2006, 11:18

Ever tried clutching it up in second at about 65-90km/hr?LOL mine pops up at 140 with no clutch...so im not keen on cluthing it up at 65-90 it comes up at that speed no probs in first, in the right conditions i can lift the front in 3rd at around 165...

sugilite

13th January 2006, 11:50

yeah, ditto..

some stupid shit that's got in my head, is a nice ol' tank slap on landing. That's putting me off about a quarter. The other 3/4s is loopin it

The tank slap is caused by the front wheel coming up spinning at about say 20 kmh, then after you have gone through a few gears and put it back down, your poor old front wheel has to go from 20 kmh to 220+ kmh in a nano second. yeah, a dampener helps, but the main thing I found to eradicate this problem is, roll of the throttle then as the bike passes out of the balancing point, you roll the throttle on hard just before the front makes contact and the bike seems to force the wheel to catch up with out tank slapping. Great puffs of smoke will then waft through the fairing, nice! :done:

Momentum

13th January 2006, 11:51

Atlest you guys have the power to get the front up in first.

I dont have that let alone trying to hook 2nd when up :no:

Fishy

13th January 2006, 12:06

LOL mine pops up at 140 with no clutch...so im not keen on cluthing it up at 65-90 it comes up at that speed no probs in first, in the right conditions i can lift the front in 3rd at around 165...

Yeah we know R1's are mono machines, I was meaning Biff on the Blackbird who is having trouble getting it up.

sAsLEX

13th January 2006, 12:07

Atlest you guys have the power to get the front up in first.

I dont have that let alone trying to hook 2nd when up :no:

YOur bike will get the front up, never did it myself but saw many do it on the aussy forums with video and picture evidence

hell I know of a certain postie who can get the ct110 up

Fishy

13th January 2006, 12:12

Atlest you guys have the power to get the front up in first.

I dont have that let alone trying to hook 2nd when up :no:

I had a CBR250RR about 11 years ago and you can most definitely get the wheel up mate just practice, I almost flipped one around the water front one day. With a passenger you can hook second and keep it up for a we while. I also put a bigger rear sprocket on mine which helped.

Fishy

13th January 2006, 12:16

Here is photographic proof...

[URL="http://www.bikepics.com/honda/cbr250/97/pics.asp"]

Biff

13th January 2006, 12:40

Ever tried clutching it up in second at about 65-90km/hr?

Nope. Only in 1st.
Possibly worth a try sometime.
Ta.

Zed

13th January 2006, 12:46

Nope. Only in 1st.
Possibly worth a try sometime.
Ta.The Bird likes clutch in 2nd over 'carefully chosen' hill crests, but on the flat road it is a mission because of the weight factor...i found. :spudflip:

**R1**

13th January 2006, 12:51

Nope. Only in 1st.
Possibly worth a try sometime.
Ta.yeah it will, not that i would know:shifty: I think i need another go, for reserch perposes of course...then i can give you some constructive help rather than "just give it heaps of gas"

Momentum

13th January 2006, 18:02

I had a CBR250RR about 11 years ago and you can most definitely get the wheel up mate just practice, I almost flipped one around the water front one day. With a passenger you can hook second and keep it up for a we while. I also put a bigger rear sprocket on mine which helped.

what are some tip on getting it up with out changing the sproket

Fishy

13th January 2006, 18:47

Try taking off from standstill with fairly high revs (around 9000rpm - they redline at 19000rpm if I remember rightly) slipping the clutch as if you were going for a fast take off. As you have the clutch slipped out about 3/4 of the way and you will be doing around 30km/h slip the clutch back in again then out fully quickly and at the same time give it a good amount of throttle. Having a passenger really does help but this will work solo. Just practice mate it can be done.

Two Smoker

13th January 2006, 19:32

Im by no means good at wheelies, but practice occasionally (i think ive only done 20-30 wheelies in total on the 600) I can change gears no worries, but usually i do it too soon and the front drops to about 2 feet off the ground where i just run out of revs.... Its all about practice.... I might do some on next friday.... but it looks like i will be practicing going fast around puke first... Trash man, your high 1:04 is going DOWN....

NodMan

13th January 2006, 19:33

All i can say is that.... found balance, and hooked second...... AND didnt run out of revs muahahaha.... :innocent:

Good to hear dude!!!
just dont do it down the dragstrip!!!
I seem to remember seeing three gears skyward on the ole GSX black piper on Champion strip ...whole run (1/4 mile) on rear wheel BUT it did shit to me times... like about 1 full second SLOWER than usual run...(boys reckon grannny in her Morri 1000 would be quicker)

catch ya soon dude...take it ya found ya race bike safely back home after wanganui??? Nod

HDTboy

13th January 2006, 19:40

what are some tip on getting it up with out changing the sproket
Lend it to me :blip:

Congrats TS :niceone:

DEATH_INC.

13th January 2006, 19:55

in the right conditions i can lift the front in 3rd at around 165...
Waddaya mean 'in the right conditions'??? even me ancient old gixx 750 can do that...... :Pokey:

DEATH_INC.

13th January 2006, 19:57

Good to hear dude!!!
just dont do it down the dragstrip!!!
I seem to remember seeing three gears skyward on the ole GSX black piper on Champion strip ...whole run (1/4 mile) on rear wheel BUT it did shit to me times... like about 1 full second SLOWER than usual run...(boys reckon grannny in her Morri 1000 would be quicker)
I managed a 12.5 (I think it was) on the 12 on the rear all the way down.
The bastards won't let ya do it anymore though....:mad:

SlowHand

13th January 2006, 21:50

Waddaya mean 'in the right conditions'??? even me ancient old gixx 750 can do that...... :Pokey:

I thought you yourself sir was the right condition? :not:
But then even Arnie can miss a muscle while flexing. :spudwhat:

loosebruce

13th January 2006, 23:55

Nice one chris, where were you on tuesday matey, could've come strut ya stuff with us other looneys. Sorted that rear shock out yet? you might wanna do that beofre you take trashys 1.04 down.

Zed big ups on the stand up, when did you do that?

As much as i love the TL, like dumping the clutch in 2nd at 45-55kph, i still miss the effortlessness of the GSXR (and the smoothness), and the ability to embarrse boy racers by pulling the front up at over licence losing speed and still out accleateing them.

Zed

14th January 2006, 00:20

Zed big ups on the stand up, when did you do that?I think it was Wednesday on my way to work, the day after your pizza/stunt night. Think u inspired me actually Brucie boy, after your excitement about doing one! :eek:

Practise, practise, and more practise is needed...

Two Smoker

14th January 2006, 09:19

Good to hear dude!!!
just dont do it down the dragstrip!!!
I seem to remember seeing three gears skyward on the ole GSX black piper on Champion strip ...whole run (1/4 mile) on rear wheel BUT it did shit to me times... like about 1 full second SLOWER than usual run...(boys reckon grannny in her Morri 1000 would be quicker)

catch ya soon dude...take it ya found ya race bike safely back home after wanganui??? Nod

Cheers Nod, found out the back safe and sound :niceone:

Two Smoker

14th January 2006, 09:20

Sorted that rear shock out yet? you might wanna do that beofre you take trashys 1.04 down.

Going to spend the whole day playing with the suspension... but i think it will be a million times better than the ZXR standard anyway hehehe

inlinefour

14th January 2006, 15:29

I can't or won't do them on the CBR, but on the TT I'll wheel stand through to 4th gear. Might have something to do with the consequences of a crash and financial loss associated with. I'll wait here for the smart remarks. :corn:

Zed

26th February 2006, 20:53

All i can say is that.... found balance, and hooked second...... AND didnt run out of revs muahahaha.... :innocent:I found out today just why I have never been able to change gears while wheelying - because I havn't been trying hard enough! So I felt inspired to go out and practise today with some very pleasing results...at the end of the day I had sucessfully hooked 2nd a good dozen times from 1st and started hooking third (did it once thru 1st, 2nd, 3rd) before I ran out of time, felt real good being able to hold the bike in the air thru the gears for a considerable distance! The key is lifting the front up to just the right height to be able to ease off the throttle for a millisecond, as the front starts coming down, and hook the gear! :spudflip:

I'm wrapped with my progress, and I'm still yet to change the gearing, so it should be a heap easier once the new chain & sprockets (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=25178)arrive!

bugjuice

26th February 2006, 20:58

awesome!!!! i so need practice...

Two Smoker

26th February 2006, 21:03

I found out today just why I have never been able to change gears while wheelying - because I havn't been trying hard enough! So I felt inspired to go out and practise today with some very pleasing results...at the end of the day I had sucessfully hooked 2nd a good dozen times from 1st and started hooking third (did it once thru 1st, 2nd, 3rd) before I ran out of time, felt real good being able to hold the bike in the air thru the gears for a considerable distance! The key is lifting the front up to just the right height to be able to ease off the throttle for a millisecond, as the front starts coming down, and hook the gear! :spudflip:

I'm wrapped with my progress, and I'm still yet to change the gearing, so it should be a heap easier once the new chain & sprockets (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=25178)arrive!

Wicked stuff mate :niceone: all it takes is practice.... which is what i need... All my bikes are race pattern now, so need to learn again :(

Motoracer

26th February 2006, 22:23

Woohoo!! That's awesome! We need to go on some road rides again Matt, then you can show me your wheelies! :)

DMNTD

27th February 2006, 08:26

The key is lifting the front up to just the right height to be able to ease off the throttle for a millisecond, as the front starts coming down, and hook the gear! :spudflip:

Good onya Zed :niceone: Now when are you gonna come up these ways again and teach this mere mortal?? :rolleyes:

Shaun

27th February 2006, 08:35

Wicked stuff mate :niceone: all it takes is practice.... which is what i need... All my bikes are race pattern now, so need to learn again :(

I suppose you will be sending me a set of those foot pegs back some time soon

Zed

27th February 2006, 09:20

Good onya Zed :niceone: Now when are you gonna come up these ways again and teach this mere mortal?? :rolleyes:
I was up your way ALL Saturday dude, rode up to Paparoa and turned right onto those awesome back roads all the way through to Kaikohe, then to Opo for lunch and back thru the forrest to Dargaville then back south, clocked up around 650kms! Will let u know next time i'm coming up!! :2thumbsup

bugjuice

27th February 2006, 09:23

don't you guys get the feeling that you're going off the back?

that's my biggest issue... atm

DMNTD

27th February 2006, 09:24

I was up your way ALL Saturday dude, rode up to Paparoa and turned right onto those awesome back roads all the way through to Kaikohe, then to Opo for lunch and back thru the forrest to Dargaville then back south, clocked up around 650kms! Will let u know next time i'm coming up!! :2thumbsup

Ya what!! :spudgrr:
All good mate I was washing my hair anyway :no:
Mint roads eh! It's terrible having them all there way over...well just outside my gate :bleh:
Would be good for a catch up next time for a ride and give me a learn'n I need

Agree with Buggie here....gives me the shits,at this stage!

Zed

27th February 2006, 09:34

don't you guys get the feeling that you're going off the back?

that's my biggest issue... atmYou're bringing it up too high and prolly too fast then...small steps bud. I spent some time yesterday practising just pulling it up in 1st to the right height (approx 1.5 mtrs) until I was comfortable with that, then hooking 2nd seemed a breeze, and with a bit more practise in throttle control it became smoother and smoother till I felt it was time to start on hooking 3rd...on my short ride to work this morning i pulled a shortish wheelie to see if I had retained my new found skills, and yep 1st, 2nd woo hoo! :spudguita

bugjuice

27th February 2006, 09:53

Zed

27th February 2006, 10:24

what's stupid, is I can understand and 'think' how it's done. I can figure that bit out, and the feeling of the balance and minor throttle changes.. all fine. I can do that. I just keep getting the shits getting up there.. I do need practice. I need to find some quiet long stretch/car park and just spend an hour doing it.. and get used to the feeling. I used to be a lot better than I am now, I've gone backwards some how.The old dilemma of knowing the theory but finding the practical difficult huh!

I think there should come a point, after copious amounts of practise, where it starts to *feel* natural and you don't have to give it much thought. If this hasn't happened at the stage you are at presently with your wheelies then I would recommend to stop doing them or else the inevitable will happen...if the natural feeling/ability has been achieved then you just need more practise to develop it.

Stunts are not for everyone, just like in most sports there has to be some natural ability/talent to begin with in order to do well and excel!

SPman

27th February 2006, 17:49

Welcome to the club. Now that you have passed mr 1st gear why don;t you try mr 3rd, and maybe mr 4th. All very good gears. Well done, it is a truely awesome feeling.
Yeah - Dover will tell you all about it.............:whistle:

enigma51

27th February 2006, 18:11

I cant wheelie O yeah thats right you actualy have to try

Toast

30th April 2006, 20:20

YEAH! :D

I did it tonight too...my first time...

I've always considered myself more of a cornering dude and not a wheelier, but after hooking in to second and carrying it that little bit further, I got a glimpse of why dudes practice them so much and enjoy carrying them for miles.

It was still a pretty shite wheelie by the standard I've seen from dudes like Zed, dss3, and that John fella...but it's definitely a start, and I've had my eyes opened to the joys of carrying the bike on the back wheel...

The fact that it overshadowed, in my mind, a good hour of carving through some very nice corners says it all. Better start buying fork seals in dual sets.

beyond

30th April 2006, 20:24

:gob: :gob:

You guys are all supposed to be experts and you've only just found second gear on your bikes?????

:gob: :nya: :killingme :killingme :killingme :rofl: :rofl: :Pokey:

Zed

30th April 2006, 21:30

YEAH! :D

I did it tonight too...my first time...

...Better start buying fork seals in dual sets.Sounds like you're *hooked* in more ways than one Toastman. :2thumbsup

Toast

30th April 2006, 21:39

:gob: :gob:

You guys are all supposed to be experts and you've only just found second gear on your bikes?????

:gob: :nya: :killingme :killingme :killingme :rofl: :rofl: :Pokey:

Yeah, well...those new sprotbikes ones will lose you your licence in first on the highway anyway so there's never really been a point...this hooking second thing is reflective of an increased environmental awareness amongst bikers of late...we're trying to save valuable fossil fuels and reduce emissions...there, now you understand.

Brett

30th April 2006, 22:53

I can get the ZXR up onto the back wheel perfectly fine, the problem comes in getting it well balanced enough to attempt to hook another gear. 250cc just aint enough power to play with. Just gotta keep trying i guess...
Suspension set ups help heaps. I just cant get either my cousins CBR 250 rr or my brothers ZXR 250c to wheelie. I think suspension and life left in clutch plays a huge part in getting small bikes to lift...am i right?

Two Smoker

1st May 2006, 08:20

:gob: :gob:

You guys are all supposed to be experts and you've only just found second gear on your bikes?????

:gob: :nya: :killingme :killingme :killingme :rofl: :rofl: :Pokey:

Ive only just been riding for just over 2 years... And come to the track and see what you can do.... Ive also never said im an expert at wheelies... Plus im slow on the track at riding too... Geez did i bite or what...

beyond

1st May 2006, 08:44

Ive only just been riding for just over 2 years... And come to the track and see what you can do.... Ive also never said im an expert at wheelies... Plus im slow on the track at riding too...

:) I was taking the micky mate :) :) Second gear as in second gear while ordinary riding. The only wheelies I do are unintentional.

R6_kid

1st May 2006, 10:48

:) I was taking the micky mate :) :) Second gear as in second gear while ordinary riding. The only wheelies I do are unintentional.

thats because the combined weight of you and your bike is just over half a ton :nya:

beyond

1st May 2006, 12:41

thats because the combined weight of you and your bike is just over half a ton :nya:

:) Mate, I must of put on some serious weight then. Bike, fueled up and ready to roll at 250kg and me at 85kg. Oh, my gear, another 10kgs.

By the way, there's guys in the UK that pull stoppies on the 1400 and huge wheelies, even in third gear. One guy even wheelies it with his legs hanging over the bars and sitting on the tank. Not for me. Don't fancy having a quarter of a ton land on me vitals when I flip it. :)