Southern KBs heading to Glenorchy

[T.W.R]

This morning I had the pleasure of spying the Southern KBs heading to the Glenorchy rally :yeah:
I was heading towards ChCh in my 4x4 just north of the Rakaia Bridges & passed the crew at the southern end of the Passing bays between rakaia & bankside, I gave them a flash of the headlights & a wave;)

There were roughly a dozen in the group &:rofl: all seemed to be following Rashika or maybe the boys were just watching her rear?:shifty:

But there was one thing i must comment on & maybe i'll rattle a few cages from them when they get back & possibly see this, but :angry2: the were all packed together with no real safety buffer between any of the bikes & at a distance they actually looked like 2 trucks coming towards me, now i know that SH1 between ChCh & Rakaia is a boring as shit ( 58kms, 2 sweepers, 2 S-bends) but its notoriously dangerous piece of road for accidents etc especially past dunsandal.

And riding in a pack with a sizable number even if everyone knows eachothers riding style etc, especially on a substantial trip the safety of the group should be paramount & following distances should be open & uncongested :angry2: Honestly if one of the leading bikes had gone down for some reason it would have taken 3-4 with it, or sent them into the scrub or into the path of vehicles heading the opposite direction & i really wouldn't want to have been peeling a fellow KBer out from under my Landcruisers Bull-Bar or having to attended to one smeared over the front of a car:crazy:

Remember theres safety in numbers when in a pack of bikes, but that safety doesn't have to be compremised by riding in a tight pack, a number of bike together has pressence on the road use it & enjoy the space ;)

[Fordy]

Wasn't there, didn't see what you saw, don't know who went down this morning.

On the ride to Arthurs Pass there was no bunching, and a reasonable stagger formation with the usual swapping left to right positioning every now and then. A good point well made, although a view passing on the other carriageway doesn't necessarily mean everyone is guilty of bunching :)

Hope those that may have been a bit close read and learn - remember the 2 second rule or 1 if staggered and can plan escape route.

[T.W.R]

Yeah I'll admit i haven't had the pleasure of attending a KB run yet due to the rebuild of my bike, so can't comment on how other rides & events go.

with this mornings passing the only KBers i recognised were Rashika & possibly ZZR & Jimmie only due to the distinction of their bikes & as i said Rashika was at the head of the group, and ZZR & Jimmie were towards the rear alongside of what looked to be a early GPZ1100. and having read what time they were leaving BP Rolleston, it was definately them
Possibly they were starting to bunch up ready for turning off at Rakaia ( which i presume they did to take the inland route via Thomson's track) but the over half the bunch you could have covered with the preverbial postage stamp.
and with the tedious nature of that road accidents happen easily, as it was they were only 1km south of where a biker got cleaned up early last year.

I'm not trying to play the holyer than thou attitude but in a group situation like that it only takes one small incident to create a major mess

[TonyB]

Riding back from Glenorchy today the following distances were fine. In fact at times there were 100m or more between us. The only times we bunched up were when the leader slowed- it can take a while to register that the gap is closing if the leader has merely slowed a bit rather than shutting off or braking.
I'd say rashika just slowed for the bridge and the group bunched up. Would be easy to do when they would have just gone over the rail overpass as some people were probably playing catchup. Wasn't there though.

[geoffc]

Riding back from Glenorchy today ........

Hi and welcome back! :Good ride no doubt:
Hope you all enjoyed the rally. The weather here in Oamaru was good. Did you fair ok as well?
Love to hear a bit about the ride & rally. Bound to be some good stories to tell.:yeah:
Cheers
Geoff

[T.W.R]

I'd say rashika just slowed for the bridge and the group bunched up. Would be easy to do when they would have just gone over the rail overpass as some people were probably playing catchup.

glad you guys had a good time down there & the weather didn't play up to much on the return journey.

the bunching incident was way before the railway over-pass, it was the southern end of the bankside passing-bays.

the rail bridge is deceptive. a group shouldn't even consider being close together going over it.

[Rashika]

This morning I had the pleasure of spying the Southern KBs heading to the Glenorchy rally :yeah:
I was heading towards ChCh in my 4x4 just north of the Rakaia Bridges & passed the crew at the southern end of the Passing bays between rakaia & bankside, I gave them a flash of the headlights & a wave;)

There were roughly a dozen in the group &:rofl: all seemed to be following Rashika or maybe the boys were just watching her rear?:shifty:

But there was one thing i must comment on & maybe i'll rattle a few cages from them when they get back & possibly see this, but :angry2: the were all packed together with no real safety buffer between any of the bikes & at a distance they actually looked like 2 trucks coming towards me, now i know that SH1 between ChCh & Rakaia is a boring as shit ( 58kms, 2 sweepers, 2 S-bends) but its notoriously dangerous piece of road for accidents etc especially past dunsandal.
well the rally was great, riding was damn good.
Its funny I cant actually remember ever being in the front of the group, on the main road anyway, Dangerous usually leads.....yeah yeah...its a bloke thing okay? :yeah:
from what i could tell everyone rode well, not even a hint of bad stuff from anyone, and I'm impressed by that. And we did swap around positions a fair bit, so i followed most people at some time, its always fun to learn all the number plates in the group ;) And holy shit Sniper, does that CBR250 wind up at times, like a bloody plane taking off :Punk:
10 riders in all, most of us have riden together a fair bit now. We always travel staggered esp on the main road, and that can always look close from other drivers point of view, and pretty much stick to the 100km... just doesn't pay to do stupid stuff along there as TWR says.
Personally I always give lots of room, whether it be to cars or bikes, and I was comfortable with how the others were riding... believe me if i see shit I WILL mention it.... and I did see some but not with our group I'm happy to say.
We covered aprox 1100 km of amazingly varied Terrain with mostly the same riders, just added a few along the way, with some atrocious winds and a little rain coming back....and the only instance I had a moment was near Tekapo when about to past a bus who thought it would be cool to pull over to my lane at the same time (not to pass anything mind you, just cos a car was parked there)....damn wish they'd use their eyes and check for indicators/traffic...fktards.
But hey that is what happens, just have to be prepared for anything. :yeah:

[Sniper]

And holy shit Sniper, does that CBR250 wind up at times, like a bloody plane taking off :Punk:

;) :shifty: Im sworn to secrecy. :shutup: But thanks :hug:

[miSTa]

I have just one comment to make - at no time in the entire weekend did I feel that my riding put anyone at risk nor any other persons riding put me at risk. The following distances were just fine and the staggered riding formation was shit hot. This was the third time I've been out with these guys and would have no hesitation in doing it again.

[scumdog]

I'm with ZZR here, I ride like a nana and I'm pretty safety conscious - I rode with this crew from "Cromill" to Glenorchy and back to Frankton and some of the time the riding conditions were appalling on the way back into Q'town yet I had no problem with any of the KBers riding.

The ONLY bit I saw where my thoughts were "hmmm, I wouldn't have done that!!" was near Gibbston area when somebody (who shall remain nameless in case it WASN'T them) pulled out to pass a car or two - and was in the centre of the opposite lane going up-hill towards a crest AND was on the wrong side of the yellow no-passing line.:crazy:

[idb]

Well I'm bloody glad I didn't come back with you maniacs then!

[scumdog]

Well I'm bloody glad I didn't come back with you maniacs then!

Especially not on the red bike eh? eh?:shifty:

[idb]

Especially not on the red bike eh? eh?:shifty:
Please be gentle, I'm still sulking.................

[Kickaha]

The ONLY bit I saw where my thoughts were "hmmm, I wouldn't have done that!!" was near Gibbston area when somebody (who shall remain nameless in case it WASN'T them) pulled out to pass a car or two - and was in the centre of the opposite lane going up-hill towards a crest AND was on the wrong side of the yellow no-passing line.:crazy:


You should have stopped them and given them a ticket :Police:

on second thoughts I guess you wouldn't catch them on your Harley :lol:

[scumdog]

You should have stopped them and given them a ticket :Police:

on second thoughts I guess you wouldn't catch them on your Harley :lol:

S'ok, I had (unknown to them) Deputised the whole KB group so I had a lot of back-up!!!

And efen uss Harley riderss haff vays of catchink these dancherous riterss....

[FlyingDutchMan]

I was quite impressed with the riding behavious of all in our group. I have gone on group rides with other people and been surprized that someone didn't bin it. I did see someone get lights flashed at him though :shifty:

[dangerous]

But there was one thing i must comment on & maybe i'll rattle a few cages from them when they get back & possibly see this, but :angry2: the were all packed together with no real safety buffer between any of the bikes & at a distance they actually looked like 2 trucks coming towards me
Now my 1st thought to this thread was that you TWR are trying to get a reaction..... but no maybe you did see something, but posting it like this is bullshit.

I saw no one do any dumb shit at all... look at the pics that have been posted and you will see that there are no close following, gezz, how about you come for a ride with us before making such comments.... if we were this close then I asure you ther would be a reason for it a situation that you are not explaining to well.

I consider myself to be one of the more 'dangerous' riders in that group and I only had one move mentioned to me and it was a fair call.

I am a critacal bastard at the best of times as far as riding goes... and I have to say all riders impressed me.

[Kickaha]

Now my 1st thought to this thread was that you TWR are trying to get a reaction..... but no maybe you did see something, but posting it like this is bullshit.



Why is it bullshit? he posted about what he saw and you're just being a grumpy cunt because you like to think you are a good rider and can't stand criticism :finger:

gee this must be what those people who crossed the centreline you got up felt like :lol:

[dangerous]

Why is it bullshit? he posted about what he saw and you're just being a grumpy cunt because you like to think you are a good rider and can't stand criticism :finger:

gee this must be what those people who crossed the centreline you got up felt like :lol:
yeah what ever......


Have I posted pics of us riding on the wrong side of the rd?
Were we riding irresponsibly?
were we actually doing what TWR says the crossing the center line people were doing what I was commenting on, theres no proof we were, and I am saying there will be a reason that TWR thinks we were riding to close

Have you read the comments from the other riders in our group.... or are you just being an arse cos you are good at it???

[Kickaha]

yeah what ever......



your signature says it all really :finger:

[Silage]

Good call TWR, it is OK to say it as you saw it.

There were a few occasions when the group bunched up a bit, but these were brief and rare and always occur in group riding to some extent. Most of the time we were staggered with sufficient gaps. I only saw one oncoming car flash someone after an overtaking manoever and thought that there was no issue really. Once onto Thompsons Track the speed picked up a "little" and everyone was well strung out (in the proper sense). I was near the back most of the time (more comfortable there) and kept near Cal who I have ridden a bit with. Didn't see anything that I though was dodgy. What gets up my nose on group rides is people ripping past each other. This increases the bike to bike danger immensely (imho), but there was none of that on this ride.

Overall I was totally impressed with the riding behaviour of all, including idb in stealth mode :rolleyes: .

[T.W.R]

well some spineless person Bad repped me over this thread, and looking at the recent posts its easy to pick who aye Dangerous:wavey:
and if you had fully read the original posts properly you would have taken note that it wasn't aimed at being dig at anyone personally :weird:

now if i'd been prepared for what i did see i would have taken a picture just as i did when i saw R1aaron & his bike on moorhouse ave just after he'd painted it. and the picture would have varified what i saw.

now as Rashika said in her post/reply she never rides the front of the group, but the lead bunch of bikes were so close together i thought she was at the front, thats how tightly packed you lot were, the lead pack were that close together that it (as i stated) looked like 2 trucks from a distance.

the reason i posted the thread originally wasn't ( as i said) a dig at the group but more so to highlight a bit of roadcraft especially when as in the circumstances on a tour or travelling to rallies. I travel the main south between home & ChCh 5-6 days a week and have been for the last 16yrs & have seen some horrific accidents & have attended to some of those accidents. and for an instance even the bloody bikies ( roadknights/devil's henchmen) don't even travel that tightly bunched when their running back & forth between timaru & ChCh.

And Dangerous just one thing as a return to your childish red rep, if you are as Rashika said, the predominant ride leader on various events you need to start thinking more of the group safety than your own ego, having spent time in different motorcycle groups the effective people in a group ride are the ride leader & the tailend charlie!
realistically the only ones in the bunch that were riding at considerate distances were Jimmie,ZZR & the fella on the red GPZ as they were all slightly distanced from the rest of the pack & riding in a staggered formation.

and if you's had been riding at considerate spacings then you would have seen me flash my lights & wave as yous went past.

[T.W.R]

yeah what ever......


Have I posted pics of us riding on the wrong side of the rd?
Were we riding irresponsibly?
were we actually doing what TWR says the crossing the center line people were doing what I was commenting on, theres no proof we were, and I am saying there will be a reason that TWR thinks we were riding to close

Have you read the comments from the other riders in our group.... or are you just being an arse cos you are good at it???

:Oi: OK your starting to piss me off Dangerous, read thing thoroughly before you rant, i didn't once mention you were riding over the centre line, what i did say was , if someone had gone down for any reason, the only escape routes for the following bikes would either have been into the path of on-coming traffic or into the scrub on the side of the road & trust me the proxemics of the lead group would have caused that :clap:

you all had that section of the main south to yourselves when you all went past, & thats what i couldn't understand, KMs of free space why bunch up into a wolfpack

[dangerous]

well some spineless person Bad repped me over this thread, and looking at the recent posts its easy to pick who aye Dangerous
What the hell are you on about...... are you not a senior member?? (can you not see who posted you the red rep???)

I DID and I am glad that I did... I do not consider myself spinless.... so please explain your RETURNED RED REP... YOU red reping me back JUST cos I RED reped you.... is that not childish?????
You have 566 posts you should be able to see me, I assumed you were a senior member (200 posts is what is needed)

if your going to red rep do it properly & show yourself, and before your start putting the hackles up & being defensive read thing properly first next time. T.W.R
BTW I never sign rep as I thought all could see like I can see yours.



now if i'd been prepared for what i did see i would have taken a picture
How can you accurately see anything when doing 100k towards us traveling at 100k???????


(as i stated) looked like 2 trucks from a distance.
well doh... we were staggered so you would see 2 headlights, and from a distance you could tell how many mm there was between us huh???


And Dangerous just one thing as a return to your childish red rep, if you are as Rashika said, the predominant ride leader on various events you need to start thinking more of the group safety than your own ego, having spent time in different motorcycle groups the effective people in a group ride are the ride leader & the tailend charlie!
Ok... now this makes me laugh, YOU dont offend me with such comments. I know how I ride and those that do and have ridden with me know how I ride.... so these words of yours are like water of a ducks back...... anything else you would like to share???

Ps: I red reped you because I and I alone did not AGREE with what you were saying, that is a neg in my books, fun isent it :2thumbsup

PPS: Anyone on this trip if they have any qualms with me not being a responsible leader, spit it out now... I've got big shoulders

[dangerous]

:Oi: OK your starting to piss me off Dangerous, read thing thoroughly before you rant, i didn't once mention you were riding over the centre line
Settle down fella...... That is a quote from KICKAHA's comments NOT yours :clap:

[T.W.R]

What the hell are you on about...... are you not a senior member?? (can you not see who posted you the red rep???)

I DID and I am glad that I did... I do not consider myself spinless.... so please explain your RETURNED RED REP... YOU red reping me back JUST cos I RED reped you.... is that not childish?????
You have 566 posts you should be able to see me, I assumed you were a senior member (200 posts is what is needed)

BTW I never sign rep as I thought all could see like I can see yours.


How can you accurately see anything when doing 100k towards us traveling at 100k???????


well doh... we were staggered so you would so 2 or so headlights, and from a distance you could tell how many mm there was between us huh???

Ok... now this makes me laugh, YOU dont offend me with such comments. I know how I ride and those that do and have ridden with me know how I ride.... so these words of yours are like water of a ducks back...... anything else you would like to share???

Ps: I red reped you because I and I alone did not AGREE with what you were saying, that is a neg in my books, fun isent it :2thumbsup

PPS: Anyone on this trip if they have any qualms with me not being a responsible leader, spit it out now... I've got big shoulders


yeah yeah what ever go beat your chest by yourself:tugger:

& FYI its 200 post & 125 days ( which is about a week away)
ha not just sign your reps ? i do i don't have anything to hide.


as for accuracy of seeing things DOH that piece of road is over 3km long from where it straightens to the Bankside dip, plenty of time to judge what is to be seen & then as we passed you were no further than 3m away so thats fairly close i think do you ?


And don't try instigate a slinging match, all i did was put something on screen that i'd say to your face anyhow I wasn't trying to offend you & theres no need for you to get all defensive.

and as for the reps i couldn't really give a flying fuck they aren't going to effect my life in any from or instance, but by the way i recieved more greens for the thread & funnily enough your the only red:niceone:

[manuboy]

There were a few occasions when the group bunched up a bit, but these were brief and rare and always occur in group riding to some extent.

This is about the only common sense comment on this page so far. Surely.

At least 6 of the riders in that group that i know of have 10+ years riding and their roadcraft is pretty much beyond reproach. I've ridden with all of them and to be fair the pace is sometimes a bit ebb and flow that results in closing up until everybody slots back.

Thats partially why i slowed up on even the day group rides - maintaining the concentration and watching out for everybody else was lessening my enjoyment - but it's a still a good safe bunch to ride in - as a bottom line you can count the indidents thay've had in the last couple of years on one hand...

But hey - there should always be room for a little constructive criticism AYE D!

[dangerous]

But hey - there should always be room for a little constructive criticism AYE D!
Fuck yes :Punk:

yeah yeah what ever go beat your chest by yourself:tugger:

LMFAO


& FYI its 200 post & 125 days ( which is about a week away)
ha not just sign your reps ? i do i don't have anything to hide.
neither do I.... LISTEN UP EVERBODY I DANGEROUS RED REPED WTF... opps I MEAN TWR


And don't try instigate a slinging match
Why not.... bring it on man.... I'm just warming up, you do relise I'm a ginga dont ya :whistle:


and as for the reps i couldn't really give a flying fuck they aren't going to effect my life in any from or instance, but by the way i recieved more greens for the thread & funnily enough your the only red:niceone:
well thats not apparent in you returning RED rep :nya:

Well good on ya for the greens..... ohh hang on you dont give a flying fuk do ya :oi-grr:

[T.W.R]

Fuck yes :Punk:

LMFAO

neither do I.... LISTEN UP EVERBODY I DANGEROUS RED REPED WTF... opps I MEAN TWR

Why not.... bring it on man.... I'm just warming up, you do relise I'm a ginga dont ya :whistle:

well thats not apparent in you returning RED rep :nya:

Well good on ya for the greens..... ohh hang on you dont give a flying fuk do ya :oi-grr:

fuck your childish cunt :crybaby: and if you can't stand a bit of constructive criticism, grow up :bash:

[dangerous]

fuck your childish cunt :crybaby: and if you can't stand a bit of constructive criticism, grow up :bash:
hehehehehe.......... its not me loosing my rag and name calling TWR

MAN read my reply to Manuboy...... FUCK YES I love constructive criticism.... and I dont wana grow up Mr NAME CALLER :niceone:

Hey I GTG to bed... can we continue this tomorrow please, you are fun to play with

[Virago]

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[gav]

:brick:
FFS TWR obviously you take the red rep personally, look at your reaction!! Check what the rep indicates "I disapprove with this post" thats all, disapprove. Dangermouse obviously disagrees with your post as he's stated, thats all, he disagrees with your post. (Oh, and so do I!) Thats all the reputation button is for, approve or disapprove. Its not that bloody hard is it? No wonder people are losing interest in this site...........

[idb]

Overall I was totally impressed with the riding behaviour of all, including idb in stealth mode :rolleyes: .
Cheers Jimmie, I was MUCH quieter on the old dunger the next day, I promise.

[T.W.R]

Yeah i was waiting for you to put your 5c in gav, you've just got a flea up your arse from a month or so ago.

As i said i couldn't give a monkey's about the reps or the points system that goes with it, & go einstein for knowing what their for, but its the comments that go with it.

Part the statement that the posting of the thread originally was "unnecessary" was pathetic, explain why its unnecessary?, something was seen & exposed, if they don't like it tough, what are they trying to hide.

Now as a fact, i posted a thread commenting on what i saw & in respect to a bit of roadcraft in relation to that sort of event as a general statement of safety & not a pick at any particular person.
So don't try & turn things around & make me look the villain for doing so. have a browse through old ride threads & the bins that have happened on these & how there have been close calls because of the spacing of associated bikes.

With the amount of accidents & the recent fatality, there should be more emphasis on safety on the road & conducting rides etc.
If people start jumping up & down and reacting in a negative manner towards it then more fool them! and taking the attitude that oh nothing happened & everything went OK isn't the way to be.

I'll defend anything i put up in a good cause when its attacked by someone who was involved & is insecure enough to think its a personal dig.

[dangerous]

Part the statement that the posting of the thread originally was "unnecessary" was pathetic, explain why its unnecessary?, something was seen & exposed, if they don't like it tough, what are they trying to hide.

Unnecessary...... yeah why, cos you are portraying that what you think you sore (and if you did see then there will be an acceptable reason for it) is how we ride all the time... it is not and I will defend my riding and I will defend my mates riding, you know doubt have no friends if you go around calling people c@#ts.

Like I said I criticise my and others riding as I take pride in it :headbang: so once again I will defend the accusations that you spout. :apumpin:

[Rashika]

Cheers Jimmie, I was MUCH quieter on the old dunger the next day, I promise.
and I didn't even notice the noise.....hmm surprising really given that we were all only a hairs breadth apart. :shifty: PT

Yeah i was waiting for you to put your 5c in gav, you've just got a flea up your arse from a month or so ago.
That aint going ta win you friends mate... he was giving an opinion only, and having been on a few rides he has more knowledge of our riding than you do in the 5 seconds you saw us all.



Part the statement that the posting of the thread originally was "unnecessary" was pathetic, explain why its unnecessary?, something was seen & exposed, if they don't like it tough, what are they trying to hide.
We have been simply responding to you....there was nothing "exposed" as you say, as there was no wrong


Now as a fact, i posted a thread commenting on what i saw & in respect to a bit of roadcraft in relation to that sort of event as a general statement of safety & not a pick at any particular person.
So don't try & turn things around & make me look the villain for doing so. have a browse through old ride threads & the bins that have happened on these & how there have been close calls because of the spacing of associated bikes.

With the amount of accidents & the recent fatality, there should be more emphasis on safety on the road & conducting rides etc.
If people start jumping up & down and reacting in a negative manner towards it then more fool them! and taking the attitude that oh nothing happened & everything went OK isn't the way to be.
problem being mate that THERE WAS NO ISSUE to those who were there.... YOUR OPINION was that there was not enough space, YOUR OPINION ONLY. Taken from a car going opposite direction at speed.
No-one is trying to make you look the villian... D is playing ya, cant ya see that?
And the recent fatality as you call it ...I'm assuming you mean the KBr, was simply thru inexperience, and prob a bit of bad luck, and that will keep happening no matter how much we hope it doesn't. Nothing to do with your thread, so ya prob shouldn't bring in it.

[T.W.R]

D & Rashika your still taking this as a personal thing which it isn't!!!!
I wish I had taken a photo to show the circumstances of it, as an example of what i was trying to put across.

If you can't except being used as an example sorry! and relating to accidents & S.Cs fatality (admittedly he was alone when that happened) but if someone stands-up & trys to shed a bit of light on avoiding incidents in different enviroments why try and extinguish it.

Put it this way: in a group ride, if your in the bunch you should ( by rights) only have to be concerned about 2bikes in front of you & 1 following & yourself. Not 3 or 4 in front & half a dozen filling your mirrors ( your not on a racetrack ).

[scumdog]

Listen shag, you MAYBE did see what was a bunch of riders riding too close together BUT it may have been the only time that day they were like that and could have been caused by a momentary slowing-down of the front rider, often it takes a few seconds before everybody realises that has happened and reacted accordingly.

I'm always slowing down to adjust my sunnies/adjust my skull mask/straighten my tassles or whatever - it's rare a bunch isn't unconsciously expanding/contracting like a giant caterpillar as it travels - even on a straight traffic-free road.

You said what you saw - others don't agree - end of story, nothing to see here, move on please.

[Sniper]

Guys, calm down. TWR made a point of what he saw. Dangerous offered his veiwpoint. You both got shitty because of red rep. Its not a biggie. No need to get nasty. End of 7 sentances.

[Rashika]

D & Rashika your still taking this as a personal thing which it isn't!!!!
ummm nope I haven't ...haven't sworn or even remotely tossed my toys yet, you would definately notice that :spudflip: just responding to what you have said.


If you can't except being used as an example sorry! and relating to accidents & S.Cs fatality (admittedly he was alone when that happened) but if someone stands-up & trys to shed a bit of light on avoiding incidents in different enviroments why try and extinguish it.

Put it this way: in a group ride, if your in the bunch you should ( by rights) only have to be concerned about 2bikes in front of you & 1 following & yourself. Not 3 or 4 in front & half a dozen filling your mirrors ( your not on a racetrack ).
I have no probs being used as an example IF there was something WRONG. But when nothing is wrong it seems to defeat any purpose at all...does the opposite in fact... riles people up and makes the original point moot and forgotton.
e.g. S.Cs fatality... and him being on his own, has exactly WHAT to do with group riding?
So how far spacewise do YOU think you need to be to avoid hitting an accident that happens in front of you? 5-10-15-20-25-30 metres?
And earlier you mentioned that your only option is to go off the road or to the other lane....that is going to be your ONLY option whatever happens, you aint suddenly going to be able to sprout wings. In a group I am always concerned with whoever is in front and behind, be it bike or car. If suddenly the space changes i will adjust as much as i can safely, and I have seen the other riders in the group do the same.
Like I said before you saw a VERY brief moment in time....I have no idea which moment it was so cant say for sure what may have been happening. We then rode for another 10 hours or so over the next 3 days.....and strangely managed to stay alive.... not even any close calls between riders, so the whole arguement seems to be moot.
I DO agree the riders need to be aware of the space between them....I wanna stay alive too you know :woohoo: ...but you prob need to use an exanple to really works to demonstrate it...
HEY even better go for a ride with us, see from the inside rather than the outer. We dont hold grudges...well I dont, dunno about the ginga bastard :p

[dangerous]

D & Rashika your still taking this as a personal thing which it isn't!!!!
Re read my posts... mate I said I never took it personaly, UNTILL you lost the debate and called me a childish cunt..... go figger :slap: which reminds me..... more red rep comming your way for that abuse, I'll try and remember to sign it this time...... mind you you dont give a shit anyway aye :pinch:

[T.W.R]

:Oi: Rashika, your still viewing it from a personal perspective, look beyond that for a minute.
you ask what i consider safe following distances; work this 100kmh = 100000m per 60minutes, that equals 1666.7m per minute & in turn that equals 27.8m per second.:yeah:

When i saw the group you were all with in the distance between the road markers (100m) for the whole group, which if yous had been evenly spaced 10m per bike, :scratch: mmm almost a third of the distance you'd travel in one second.

So theoretically for an instance say D or yourself had gone done for any reason that means at least half the group would have either ploughed right over the top of yous or had to play chicken with the on coming cars or headed into the rough ground.

and for the record following distances are supposed to be 2sec on the open road or at a point where the following vehicle can stop safely without hitting the vehicle in front of it.

As i first said it, the thread may just rattle cages but christ, D & yourself are acting like its a targeted attack on your riding, open your eyes to the big picture & don't be so insecure to think that way.
I don't care if anyone holds a grudge it isn't my problem whether their a ginga or not, wop de shit :baby:

it may have been the only instance of congested formation of the group during the whole weekend but it was seen GET OVER IT! it was only used as an example toughen up a bit & don't be so personally insecure

[T.W.R]

Re read my posts... mate I said I never took it personaly, UNTILL you lost the debate and called me a childish cunt..... go figger :slap: which reminds me..... more red rep comming your way for that abuse, I'll try and remember to sign it this time...... mind you you dont give a shit anyway aye :pinch:

Yeah good on ya D just seen it :rofl: and i'll save you some grace by not saying what your comment was with it, it just confrims what i said & who said it was a debate? oh thats right you did :niceone:

go on give me another one :moon:

[Rashika]

:Oi: Rashika, your still viewing it from a personal perspective, look beyond that for a minute.
you ask what i consider safe following distances; work this 100kmh = 100000m per 60minutes, that equals 1666.7m per minute & in turn that equals 27.8m per second.:yeah:

When i saw the group you were all with in the distance between the road markers (100m) for the whole group, which if yous had been evenly spaced 10m per bike, :scratch: mmm almost a third of the distance you'd travel in one second.

So theoretically for an instance say D or yourself had gone done for any reason that means at least half the group would have either ploughed right over the top of yous or had to play chicken with the on coming cars or headed into the rough ground.

and for the record following distances are supposed to be 2sec on the open road or at a point where the following vehicle can stop safely without hitting the vehicle in front of it.

As i first said it, the thread may just rattle cages but christ, D & yourself are acting like its a targeted attack on your riding, open your eyes to the big picture & don't be so insecure to think that way.
I don't care if anyone holds a grudge it isn't my problem whether their a ginga or not, wop de shit :baby:

it may have been the only instance of congested formation of the group during the whole weekend but it was seen GET OVER IT! it was only used as an example toughen up a bit & don't be so personally insecure

IN case you haven't noticed I have been "looking beyond" what you have been saying for a number of posts, between the putting people down bits that is(and I aint refering to me at all, in case you thought I was, my self esteem is damn fine thanks mate, dont be concerned for me ;) ) ..... but now I am starting to get slightly pissed off.

1. Original topic: so the bikes were 100 metres apart huh; 10 bikes STAGGERED, (just in case you missed that wee minor detail) = 5 bikes behind each other at 20 metres apart. Fuck i can even add, damn good for a chick.

2. I dont have issue with how I ride, nor any of the others with us and that includes spacing, FULL STOP. Not had any complaints from others either. Given that you have never and now I hope NEVER do ride with me, you wont ever be able to confirm it in person... ah well your loss and CERTAINLY my gain :niceone:

3. Was thinking that maybe you are actually someone that does want to help....proven wrong again...you just seem to want to keep stirring with all your provocative posts. There are ways to post that doesn't involve called people "childish cunts" and "having a flea up your arse"...just what sort of things are you expecting to get back from that sorta shit? I see you have yet to learn that...perhaps too late I feel.

4. The only one that seems to have issues here with any of the posts from anyone on this thread is you. I tried to lighten the feeling of the thread and even , god forbid, get it back On topic, but nope, a childish piece of bullshit "wop de shit :baby: " back from you.

I see that you simply are one of those people who is not prepared to listen, and will only respond negatively to any comment so thats about it for me. Cheers mate, the VERY first piece of red rep i have EVER handed out.....enjoy! :done:
And you being so NON childish, I'm sure i wont be getting red rep in return....:Punk:

give ya half and hour shall I?

[T.W.R]

1. Original topic: so the bikes were 100 metres apart huh; 10 bikes STAGGERED, (just in case you missed that wee minor detail) = 5 bikes behind each other at 20 metres apart. Fuck i can even add, damn good for a chick.



thats the thing you guys WEREN'T in staggered formation apart from Jimmie,ZZR & the bloke on the red GPZ. there was a fair gap between Jimmie,ZZR & the red GPZ and the rest of you lot.

and yet again you missed it, i said if you'd been spaced evenly 10m apart. from the following bike doesn't matter whether its staggered or not its still 10m, its still distance between you & the next bike be it in front or behind, staggered or indian-file.

[Silage]

Hey as you all know I am a perfect rider...

After all this "discussion" I still have no trouble with anyone on here.
- Not with TWR who in initiating this discussion just was making an observation
- Not with Dangerous or Rashika who I have never observed doing anything dodgy on the road
- Not with any of the riders on the Glenorchy trip who made great riding buddies and company over pizza and beer

And I will happily ride with ANY of them again, even if it is at the back struggling to keep up. Time to move on guys.

[Suzi Q]

I spoke to D today and he has said that he just likes to wind everyone up. I was of course of the opinion that he was over reacting to TWR's comments, also, as D was in front how could he possibly know if we were all riding too close!!! Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion and we take from that what we want and let the rest go.

I have to say if all you guys ever do is wind each other up then i don't really want to be part of this pathetic little game.

[manuboy]

Damn fine pissy fight by the southerners - whaddya reckon Jim2?

All i can say is i'm stoked i wasn't there - this dangerous group riding is how people get hurt and it happens all to easy by the sounds. No need to endanger eachother unessasarily. I'm sure the group will be watching this from now on (except D - he's a stubborn SOB).

On the other hand i'm glad ol TWR hasn't seen the boys on the charge on the Akaroa GP - he'd shit his dackers i reckon. I've categorically seen (and performed) blind corner passing, 1m gaps to the bike in front at speed, 5th gear redlines (work it out), and in **R1**'s case a fair bit of back wheel action and sustained loss of traction, and in at least 1 case somebody drank a can of C.D's - and it was all good!!!

[miSTa]

Hey as you all know I am a perfect rider...

After all this "discussion" I still have no trouble with anyone on here.
- Not with TWR who in initiating this discussion just was making an observation
- Not with Dangerous or Rashika who I have never observed doing anything dodgy on the road
- Not with any of the riders on the Glenorchy trip who made great riding buddies and company over pizza and beer

And I will happily ride with ANY of them again, even if it is at the back struggling to keep up. Time to move on guys.

Gotta agree with Jimmie here on all counts, but T.W.R, mate, in your first post you said "maybe i'll rattle a few cages" well you did kind but you didn't seem to like the responses you got - kinda naive I think.

Anyway I've seen enough of this thread.

[T.W.R]

Oh Manuboy don't worry bud, the old run to Akaroa is where i used to do most of my riding that & the summit rd & the bays are all home teritory to me.
i spent every weekend & most evenings doing the various options of all those roads and was a regular amongst the masses the used to frequent the smugglers & wheatsheaf in the mid to late 80s & early 90s. the guys i rode with when we were less concious of the consequences of our actions would cut out the akaroa run from central ChCh (Barbadoes st to be exact) in sub 45mins (we nicknamed them suicide runs) most of the runs were on old jappers and italian musclebikes not the lean missles of current times.
And for a bit of useless info even the Glenorchy rally i attended that a few times. when it was known as the remarkables rally & at the old site, before it got moved to its current location.

Yeah ZZR i haven't been perturbed by the reactions from R & D but i actually think it slightly amusing that they did react they way have, as i said at various stages nothing was or has been meant as a personal dig. the thread was intended to highlight a bit of roadcraft while conducting such events, its just unfortunate that offence was taken. possibly the biggest misconception was through the title of the thread ( my bad) but it did incite interest & how often are threads with some meaning over looked because the title doesn't grab attention.

[Bren_chch]

Hey T.W.R... i know what u mean mate, i only rode with them once... never again, all bunched up and shit, overtaking at scary times, i'm not in to that shit!

each to there own!

[Jantar]

SD, idb and I joined the christchurch riders from Cromwell to Queenstown. I generally found the standard of riding to be very good with only one passing manouver that may have been a bit suspect. The group riding was staggered and I estimated a two - three second gap between the riders in the same part of the lane. Yes that is only one - one and a half seconds between one rider and the next, but because they are staggered its like being in separate lanes.

At Glenorchy we were talking about kb rides in general, and commenting on how it appears to be accepted that North Island rides usaully have one or two bins per event, but in the South Island its almost unheard of. Why is this? :scratch:

[T.W.R]

Hey T.W.R... i know what u mean mate, i only rode with them once... never again, all bunched up and shit, overtaking at scary times, i'm not in to that shit!

each to there own!

Ha theres a time & place for everything, but as ya say each to their own.

the Old days of when i was doing the regular runs to Akaroa Christ my mates & i we'd roar up beside one & other & hit the other guys kill switch just for laughs ( fuckin dumb thing to do lookin back now in retrospect ) or push someone so hard into a blind corner they'd end up doing ivan mauger imitations on the wrong side of the road ( all idiot shit from being young & dumb & no fear) i tell you having an old CB900 crossed up in a full lock side ain't that pleasant or getting the kill switch on a laverda 1200 hit at 160kmh just about puts you over the bars, rubbing shoulders with ya mate two abreast going around the motukarara sweeper is a thrill at 160 plus though.


getting age & long distance experience under the belt modifys the thinking & approach to riding after a while.
what i saw the other day may very well have been the only time the crew were tightly packed & maybe everyone felt safe which is all well n good, but there weren't any condemnations meant by the thread it was just highlighting an observation on a bit of Roadcraft for others & junior riders

[scumdog]

I concur with Jantar, I would like to add that on the twisty bits everybody seemed to drop back into single-file automaticaly.(sp)

I'm reasonably safety conscious and ride like a nana and had no problems - despite meeting this moley-crue for the first time (mostly) just before riding into the Kawarau Gorge with them - NO problems!.:2thumbsup

[idb]

You're all talking about me aren't you?
You're always talking about me!
Everyone's always talking about me!
Why don't you stop?!
Stop, stop, stop, stop!!!!

[dangerous]

getting age & long distance experience under the belt modifys the thinking & approach to riding after a while.
As you havent meet any of us and havent ridden with us here a insite to the group on the day.
60% over 40yrs old
30% late 30's
10% mid 20's (1 person) :cool:


what i might have seen the other day may very well have been the only time the crew were tightly packed & maybe everyone felt safe which is all well n good
Thank you, pity you didn't say that in your 1st post. :yes:

[Bren_chch]

ok i just had a threatening PM from the guy on the guzzi, cant remember his real name! Sorry i dont bow to threats... your the worst out of them all!

:oi-grr:

[k14]

Hey T.W.R... i know what u mean mate, i only rode with them once... never again, all bunched up and shit, overtaking at scary times, i'm not in to that shit!

each to there own!
Yeah know what you mean mate, they're the reason I sold my road bike, scared me shitless :rofl:

[Rashika]

Yeah know what you mean mate, they're the reason I sold my road bike, scared me shitless :rofl:
:baby: :laugh:

ok i just had a threatening PM from the guy on the guzzi, cant remember his real name! Sorry i dont bow to threats... your the worst out of them all!
:oi-grr:
geezzz what kinda blokes are ya both to give up cos of some dodgy Eyetie bugger :baby: :baby: :rolleyes:

[Kickaha]

ok i just had a threatening PM from the guy on the guzzi, cant remember his real name! Sorry i dont bow to threats... your the worst out of them all!

:oi-grr:



Yeah know what you mean mate, they're the reason I sold my road bike, scared me shitless :rofl:


Yeah me to, on the way back from Wanagnui I pretended the XJ wasn't running right just so I could ride by myself, he's just an accident waiting to happen that bloke :yes:

[T.W.R]

As you havent meet any of us and havent ridden with us here a insite to the group on the day.
60% over 40yrs old
30% late 30's
10% mid 20's (1 person) :cool:


Thank you, pity you didn't say that in your 1st post. :yes:


I know roughly what the age compilation of the group thanks, but we could digress into actual amount of years riding then it might be a different story maybe?
myself i've been around motorcycles all my life, and have had my own bikes for 25yrs including racing MX for a while.

yeah well i did, in a roundabout way, its just you took offence for the wrong reasons. its the old perception & projection, while your doing something you percieve is ok, someone observing you doing it sees a different perspective of the same activity. :eyepoke: it ain't a major, it was meant to highlight bits for others not actually anyone within the group but it may have made a few think.

[miSTa]

10% mid 20's (1 person) :cool:

Hey thanks D, that's the nicest thing someone has said about me all year :love:

[FlyingDutchMan]

Hey thanks D, that's the nicest thing someone has said about me all year :love:

:Oi: thats me! I'm not 30+

[Silage]

Off the grass you old farts, D knows I am just outta nappies (usually keep some in reserve for KB rides). Got my learners at 5 and been on my full for 24 years (not).

[scumdog]

Right! Pick on the old guy ya bastids!!

I'll show you, I'll get into 4th one day then look out!

[miSTa]

So you finally got that incontinence problem solved then Jimmie? Good on ya mate :clap: :clap:

FDM - but how do we know you're not 30+? Can you prove it? :shifty:

[Silage]

I specialise in incompetance.

[Skyryder]

I'm one of the Pig Islands old tuggers. Been riding off an on for years: bikes that is, like the ones with two wheels.........mostly.:scooter: Nothing worse than a combined pile up. And easily avoidable. On the track you slide.......on the road you STOP. That's the difference. Learn and live.


Skyryder

[scumdog]

Ah well, we'll just have to show how safety conscious on the way to the Woodstock - luckily I'm not riding to there with you rabble!!!:innocent:

[dangerous]

Ah well, we'll just have to show how safety conscious on the way to the Woodstock - luckily I'm not riding to there with you rabble!!!:innocent:
No.... you get in enuff trouble all on ya own :oi-grr: