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Sniper
18th January 2006, 12:16
Im a newb to stunting, but the thrill of doing a stoppie/endo kinda excites me. At the moment I can get the rear wheel about the foot off the deck. Whats the secret to a good stoppie/endo and eventually a rolling stoppie/endo?

Grahameeboy
18th January 2006, 12:22
Im a newb to stunting, but the thrill of doing a stoppie/endo kinda excites me. At the moment I can get the rear wheel about the foot off the deck. Whats the secret to a good stoppie/endo and eventually a rolling stoppie/endo?

doing less posties = more time to do stoppies....he he

**R1**
18th January 2006, 12:23
Im a newb to stunting, but the thrill of doing a stoppie/endo kinda excites me. At the moment I can get the rear wheel about the foot off the deck. Whats the secret to a good stoppie/endo and eventually a rolling stoppie/endo?no secret, just practice....well you can let some air out of the front tyre, if you want to get serious, and good stcky rubber helps (you have to trust your front tyre)...

Mooch
18th January 2006, 12:35
Get yourself a BMX bike to learn the control / modulation of the front brake. Start off at learning stoppies with a low height. Grab the front brake quickly and then release some of the pressure, back wheel should now be nicely off the ground. Release and squeeze brake level for soft landing. Once you get used to the feel and control of the front brake then progress to the CBR. Change your front brake lines to braided for better feel. Of course this type of thing should be done on closed roads.

Fishy
18th January 2006, 12:39
Yeah having trust in your tyre is a big thing, I can do them fine when I come to a stop but am to chicken to try rolling ones... always think the front is gonna lock up on me.

Sniper
18th January 2006, 12:48
no secret, just practice....well you can let some air out of the front tyre, if you want to get serious, and good stcky rubber helps (you have to trust your front tyre)...

The plan is a new GPR 70 soon. Apparently they are the best for my bike.

madboy
18th January 2006, 12:52
Yeah, don't do what I did one day... up the street, almost to my place, whacked on the front brake, front tyre locks, bike starts going down in that millisecond kinda way, off the brake, straighten up, back on the brake but overshot the turn in to my driveway by about a metre... had to do the ride of shame up to the end of the street past the neighbours, u-turn, back down and into driveway.

First, touch the brake to pre-tension it, THEN whack it on...

Korea
18th January 2006, 12:57
I'm no expert but...
I grip the tank with my knees and move my weight a little forward.
Don't just suddenly grab a hand-full of front brake - do it quickly but progressively.
As the back comes up, release a little to keep it rolling.
Higher you go, the less brake you need.

JWALKER
18th January 2006, 14:20
i must give due credit to snip, he is dedicated at practicing to get it better and better, and they are starting to get quite good.

i will throw in my two cents for ya anway mate. someone said to me the one of the critical parts in doing stoppie, is shifting your weight forward at the right time when braking, to help with the momentium

Sniper
18th January 2006, 17:32
Thanks J. Yea the last one I did ended up taking my breath away.

kels
18th January 2006, 17:34
Sniper...buddy I really have to ask! Is that how you did your arm in?

Sniper
18th January 2006, 22:18
Nope Kels, it really was MissSniper breaking it.

JWALKER
19th January 2006, 06:44
Sniper...buddy I really have to ask! Is that how you did your arm in?

nah, but he nearly broke something else on his last stoppie.

kels
19th January 2006, 10:23
Nope Kels, it really was MissSniper breaking it.
Shit...remind me never to piss her off!!!

Coyote
19th January 2006, 10:52
Take Mooch's advise and practice on a push bike first. I've got pretty good on my MTB (untill Scoots Magoo broke it). You learn the basic idea of how to do it like pumping the brakes and postioning your body weight. Might be a good idea to wear some gloves as you'll be falling on your hands a lot

larriken
21st January 2006, 15:03
I am still pretty crap at them but it is really about confidence and just having a go. Start small and just keep doing them over and over. Front bike on, feel it biting, weight forward abit like you lifting up, and just keep doing it. Like I say, I am pretty average at them but it is exciting when after an hour or two you are doing some pretty sweet ones.

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loosebruce
23rd January 2006, 00:01
Yeah start on a MTB, i can hook mine skywrads on the front at 70kph+ to a stop, good when you've got an 8 inch rotor being bitten by a 4 pot hydrualic caliper, it's pretty much the same deal on a motorbike.

Few things, get heat into tyre before hand, having the front lock and tuck at 140kph is not much fun believe me.
Be real progressive and smooth on the brake, you want to start braking heavily (as if you are braking for corner hard) get weight on the front tyre, shift your body weight forward and squeeze the brake a little bit harder kinda like your're bouncing your weight forward, it'll start to come up, then it's just a matter of practice and more practice. prolly 60-80kph is a nice speed to start off for rollers.
A good road surface is nice as well and does well for confidence to start off with, be aware to if the wheel does lock get off the brake asap and it'll come right.
If you find that the bike keeps going sideways on you, you can help by keeping your head up and looking dead ahead, weight shifting in stoppies to turn you basiclly shift your weight and steer to the opposite of where you want to go, also tapping the back brake can kick the rear up another few inches.
As for flipping it, unfortnily like a wheelie with the back brake, you dont have a hell of a lot to save your arse.
I've started getting some coasters going on the GSXR then it blew up and now i'm stuck on the TL, it's okay bike, but real heavy and brakes have no where near the feedback the GSXR as, but coasters are a wicked feeling, scary as fuck though.

Sniper
15th February 2006, 14:17
Plan on upgrading my brakes soon. Will fitting braided lines and higher spec brake pads give me a better feel of what the bike is doing or is it mainly a guessing job.

I have started practising rolling stoppies but I think I will get a shitter bike to practise on first.

Korea
15th February 2006, 15:47
I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but actually going a bit faster seems to be helping me a lot with rolling stoppies.
Originally I was coming to a stop (from about 30kmph) and lifting the back on the poxy Exiv125, but with a bit of extra speed the rolling bit is coming along more naturally (still only talking about 50kmph~ish).
I've only got a single pot, single disc setup, but some braided lines are in the works...

Stoppie Pic taken a while back: Work in progress; less than a foot off the ground at this stage... :crybaby:

flash
15th February 2006, 16:02
does doing stopies wreak the back suspenion at all?, or the real wheel bearings or the wheel, etc?

Korea
15th February 2006, 16:33
Well, after a lot of abuse, my front brakes have gone a bit wooden and they don't have the bite they used to.
But I'm sure some new braided lines, liberal brake bleeding and some new pads will sort that out.
As for the suspension, the come-down for me isn't too much worse than going over a judder bar at speed, but then again the bike wasn't made for stoppies.
I've been pretty hard on the front suspension coming down from botched wheelies lately - can't be good for the fork seals and internals...

onearmedbandit
15th February 2006, 20:04
JWALKER should be able to help you Sniper. Was talking to him the other day and he says he can get them 3 feet off the ground. Not bad for a guy who has only been riding for such a short amount of time. You guys should start a Christchurch stunt club!!

far queue
15th February 2006, 20:25
I have started practising rolling stoppies but I think I will get a shitter bike to practise on first.

I was surprised to see you doing stoppies the other night - I wasn't expecting it. They looked cool though. You were very consistent with them all achieving about the same height - around 12". Well done.


does doing stopies wreak the back suspenion at all?, or the real wheel bearings or the wheel, etc?

I wondered this the other night too. The bike landed with quite a bang and the suspension didn't seem to absorb much of it. What will it be like as you get higher?

Sniper
16th February 2006, 09:04
JWALKER should be able to help you Sniper. Was talking to him the other day and he says he can get them 3 feet off the ground. Not bad for a guy who has only been riding for such a short amount of time. You guys should start a Christchurch stunt club!!

Yea......... right. You should see them. He is coming along nicely but he is still learning. As am I. I'll get some pics of us together cause a stunt club in CHCH isn't such a bad idea. I just need to get my hands on Brens bike....... :blip:

Thanks Far Queue. Im getting them higher and higher, but those were just little ones. I wasn't going to do the usual 4 foot or 12o clock stoppies when the newbies were around. :doobey: