3 news now - biker caught at 300k???

[marty]

just seen the shorts - it'll be on in a minute.

[Slingshot]

just seen the shorts - it'll be on in a minute.

It's going to be on ONE too. I'm gonna record it and I'll see if I can post it for those that may miss it.

It does sound like a Tui add though....300Ks, Yeah Right!

[madboy]

Dammit... I'm still at work. Come on... update me please!!!

[onearmedbandit]

Not on yet, and I have to go out in a few.

[madboy]

Not on yet, and I have to out in a few.You finally coming out aye?

[Slingshot]

Quote from the officer...and the fastest speed that I have heard of was 330Ks and it was a motorbike.

What a load of absolute shit!!!

It's fucking propaganda!!


I'll see if I can now figure out how to burn to DVD then rip it and post it to here!

[Sniper]

Cheers slingshot, it would be good to watch

[Karma]

Hope they got my good side ;)

[marty]

actually i know aaron really well - he was a cop in cambridge and took a promotion to alex. he's pretty straight up, and wouldn't say it unless he meant it. have you ever actually bveen out on a highway patrol slingshot? yopu'd be surprised just how fast lots of people are riding/driving...

[Big Chim]

have i missed it yet?

[sAsLEX]

yopu'd be surprised just how fast lots of people are riding/driving...

So how may bikes break the Land Speed record on the average patrol?

[k14]

yeah just on 1. 330kph on a road bike is bs. unless it was a turbo busa, but i highly doubt that. maybe it was scumdog on his harley :rofl:

[justsomeguy]

I'll see if I can now figure out how to burn to DVD then rip it and post it to here!

Thank You:yes:

300 on the road ? Don't tell me Death got the old 200Hp monster out of the shed.........

[onearmedbandit]

You finally coming out aye?

Funny cunt! I left the computer quickly to check tv1 so didn't bother checking.

Caught some of it on 1, haven't seen it on 3 yet. Hayabusa in gold with masking tape over the plate. "I was painting the bike Officer" was his story.

[MidnightMike]

Mmmm must have been painting it the colour, bullshit!

[Slingshot]

actually i know aaron really well - he was a cop in cambridge and took a promotion to alex. he's pretty straight up, and wouldn't say it unless he meant it. have you ever actually bveen out on a highway patrol slingshot? yopu'd be surprised just how fast lots of people are riding/driving...

No, I was more thinking of the 1/4 mile sprints where the fastest rider did 299.something on a K4or5 Gixxer1K that had had quite a bit of tweaking done to it.
330ks just seems like a figure plucked out of the air. I could be proved wrong but I also seem to remember not so long ago hearing about the court hearing for the rider that had achieved the ticket for the fastest speed and it was in the 200s.

[madboy]

I can't wait to get home and check the news footage. Now that'd be a story and a half. I'm a little confused as to how he got caught, but I don't have any info at all beyond this thread so will reserve comment.

[marty]

classic that the naughty taped over plate was on a 'busa!!!

[MidnightMike]

classic that the naughty taped over plate was on a 'busa!!!

It would even be funnier if their was an L plate on the back too :bleh:

[Toast]

Has it been on tv3 yet?

[onearmedbandit]

Did I miss it on 3??

[Sniper]

Yes Toast........

[onearmedbandit]

It would even be funnier if their was an L plate on the back too :bleh:

It would be even funnier if there was a KiwiBiker sticker on the back.

[Toast]

It would be even funnier if there was a KiwiBiker sticker on the back.

Actually that would possibly mean that future KB rides are accompanied by an unwanted police escort...but would've been a laugh all the same...

Gutted I missed it...if someone can post, would be much appreciative.

[Marmoot]

actually i know aaron really well - he was a cop in cambridge and took a promotion to alex. he's pretty straight up, and wouldn't say it unless he meant it.

I guess it comes down to what question the interviewer/reporter fronted up to the innocent constable.

Yes, if the bike has KB sticker it would be interesting. :blink:
We might make the next 20/20

[Riff Raff]

Damn I missed the news. It wasn't Quasi out test riding a Busa, was it?

[Big Chim]

http://www.tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411749/651083

from the TV one site, no pics though damm it

[Skyryder]

I saw the item on One. I find it interesting that these comments by the Highway Patrol are now news just one day after both TV One and TV Three reported the change from fifty k's down to forty k's. It appears to me that todays news item (Wed 18 Jan 05 ) is nothing more than a publicity exercise to justify the downgrading of speed for a instant $500 fine and loss of licence at the roadside. There was no news that the police are both judge and jury in this
. Nor were any safety issues raised of citizens being left to fend for themselves on the roadside.
Where are the civil libertarians when you need them? And believe me guys we need them now. Maybe, we may have to do it ourselves

Skyryder

[hXc]

It would be even funnier if there was a KiwiBiker sticker on the back.

Where's Qkchk???

[James Deuce]

It's just propaganda along the lines of the recently announced need to have infants immunised against Mens-B for the 4th time.

Anyone remember that Pharmac screwed up and bought a lower concentration Mens-B vaccine about 6 months ago?

Same shiznit, different grok-period man.

[Rhino]

I saw the TV1 item and it showed the 'Busa going past the car and said in the commentary that he had been clocked at 142 kph. They then stated that this was a $500 ticket and (as of Monday) a 28 day loss of license.

[GSVR]

Is this your bike ? 142kph ? did you forget to connect 2 spark plugs after the paintjob?

[hXc]

Even my bike is capable of 142kph...But if I forgot to connect 2 plugs, it wouldn't be going anywhere unless I'm pushing!

[Patch]

With all this "get the speeding hoon" racquet going on, I say fight fire with fire. Might be a good time to get a half decent radar detector, couple of laser jammers and then cruise past 'em all - smiling an :finger: :finger:

Fuckin' government bastards, what a cheek, tax me, fine me, then spend me money on piss :angry2: Where's Guy Fawkes when ya need him :cry:

[Toast]

Failing to stop for police is an ongoing issue - motorcyclists are aware, and some take advantage of, a police pursuit policy that errs on the side of caution.

"Safety in the public and staff takes precedence over apprehending an offender. So if there's a risk to anyone's safety, you would pull out," says Inspector Carey Griffiths.

And it's exactly that which the speedsters are relying on.


Propaganda alright...and hypocritical at that...I've seen how safe the cops can behave (not all of them, ofcourse) during a pursuit.

[James Deuce]

..Where's Guy Fawkes when ya need him :cry:

An Italian mercenary from a unit with the motto: "Who Cares Who Wins?"

Yeah, he'd be helpful.

[Slingshot]

OK, here's the TV1 item...I'd be interested to hear how different the TV3 item was...if anyone recorded it, how about posting a copy.

[Matt Bleck]

Someone's always gotta fuck it up for everyone else!!!

Next thing you know we'll be labeled boy racers!

[Big Chim]

OK, here's the TV1 item...I'd be interested to hear how different the TV3 item was...if anyone recorded it, how about posting a copy.


Damm i wanted to see some racing

[Big Chim]

They put bags over the number plates, they fold the number plates up in an l shape so they can't be read," says Priebie.
.


Sooooooo thats how you do it !!! wondered about that

[hXc]

I personally think it's bullshit. They have absolutely no proof to say that someone was alledgedly doing 330kph

[Jantar]

It's going to be on ONE too. I'm gonna record it and I'll see if I can post it for those that may miss it.

It does sound like a Tui add though....300Ks, Yeah Right!

It was a 'busa. The rider is a local rider who was preparing it for the sprints here at Alex.

[James Deuce]

Anecdotal evidence is all that is required to convince a populace inured to the supreme joy that is riding motorcycles.

It now serves us right when someone dies.

[James Deuce]

Needs to get the Laser checked. There are about 20 Busas worldwide that can crack 330km/hr and none of them lack a turbo.

[Hitcher]

I smell a rat. A big pungently fermenting rodent. The road safety nazis want the open road speed limit reduced to 90kmh. They don't like bikes much either. This story plus all of the recent bullshit about road tolls, during the news "silly season", has set my conspiracy antennae all a quiver.

And the state broadcaster is complicit. This is not a news story. There is no evidence, only some cop doing a piece to camera where he says he heard once that some bike was clocked at 330kmh. That may be exactly what he heard. So?

Front number plates for bikes, new boy racers laws and a 90kmh open road speed limit by Christmas.

[Sparky Bills]

Mmmmmmmm.. Painting my bike..... Thats a great excuse!

[James Deuce]

http://www.qsl.net/n5mya/testdata.html

190mph is 305km/hr

[ZorsT]

Front number plates for bikes, new boy racers laws and a 90kmh open road speed limit by Christmas.

You forgot about the increase of motorists failing to stop for police, and the decline of road safety as a result

[James Deuce]

And just in case it isn't getting there, the following article describes the proportional relationship between horsepower and drag, and how horsepower requirements quickly become astronomical to boost a 'busa past its maximum of 190mph or 305km/hr, to 200mph, or 327km/hr and beyond. 400 horsepower for 227mph or 365km/hr.

http://superstreetbike.com/features/122_0336_max/

[gav]

Be that bloody Burt Munro bugger........or the ghost of.....

[Bonez]

I smell a rat. A big pungently fermenting rodent. The road safety nazis want the open road speed limit reduced to 90kmh. Nah it's suzuki publicity stunt to get us all on GN250s. :bash:

[ducatilover]

Even my bike is capable of 142kph...But if I forgot to connect 2 plugs, it wouldn't be going anywhere unless I'm pushing!
aha! so it was you! even mine would still run without 2 plugs.... ahhhh the luxury of twin spark....:innocent:

330? thats a wee bit over the top aint it?

[madboy]

Thank you Slingshot. I look forward to watching the rerun of 3 News on Sky at 8.30 for their take.

Comment on the TV1 article/item... clearly I'm a great big f***ing cream puff, cos this stuff about the 5O pulling out when it gets too dangerous hasn't come into play in any pursuit "my mate" has been involved in. NEVER. They've pulled out after they've lost the bike, but they've NEVER pulled out cos of the danger element. And the f***ers misrepresented the situation to comms too so that comms didn't tell them to pull out either. And those mofos question our morals? It's all a great big farking game to them.

So fellas, I can assure you that in order to get a pursuit pulled you need to do more than 200km/h into oncoming traffic, more than 180km/h in a 50 zone, and it would definitely help if you lanesplit at above 250k. School zones anyone?

[James Deuce]

I agree Dynamytus, it's not individual memebrs of the Police force, Human Beings that they are that dislike motorcycles, rather it is the faceless entities of LTNZ and ACC that are most likely manipulating the flow of information regarding dangerous speeding motorcycles.

The Police are the public Human Face of the campaign. Unfortunately for them.

Though I do agree with Hitcher's premise that there is a plan to increase the road toll by decreasing the speed limit to 90km/hr. The road toll was nasty when the speed limit dropped to 80km/hr, and it took forever to get anywhere.

[Marmoot]

Man you aint smelling a rat, you smelling your ass; there aint no way that "cops dont like bikes much". I dont know anyone i work with who targets motorcycles, most cops dont bother with them more for the fact that by the time they turn around they are gone. All of our traffic unit's in central have cops that ride bikes, among some of the bikes they own is a CBR600RR, ZX-12R, blackbird, busa and a R1. There are normally 10-30 bikes parked at central at any one time not incuding Police BMW's.

It's not the cops that I'm worried about. It's the politicians and "Joe Public".

[WINJA]

Needs to get the Laser checked. There are about 20 Busas worldwide that can crack 330km/hr and none of them lack a turbo.
AMCN GOT 302(2002) KMH AND 311KMH (99)OUT OF STOCK ONES WITH THEIR STALKER , BUT THAT EXTRA 20KMH IS FUCKEN HARD

[James Deuce]

Yep that's right WINJA - If you have a look above I've provided a link for every magazine that's done speed testing in a 'busa and what they got out of them.

7. AMCN - AUSTRALIAN MOTORCYCLE NEWS May 2000

Top speed.
Hayabusa = 302 kph
Zx-12R = 297 kph

400m (1/4 mile).
Hayabusa = 10.5 sec.
Zx12R = 10.7 sec.

400m top speed.
Hayabusa = 228.2km/h.
Zx12R = 223km/h.

0-100km/h.
Hayabusa = 3.17 sec
Zx12R = 3.49 sec

0-160km/h (0-100mph).
Hayabusa = 5.7 sec.
Zx12 = 6.02 sec.

20-180kmh.
Hayabusa = 6.17 seconds
Zx12 = 6.43 seconds

Quotes and storyline

[smokeyging]

At 330 K.P.H I’d be questioning the accuracy of the radar detector. Wouldn’t that open up a can of worms for all the speedsters? a G P S apparently isn’t completely accurate, so at 330k there’s good chance radar isn’t accurate neither.

[WINJA]

I smell a rat. A big pungently fermenting rodent. The road safety nazis want the open road speed limit reduced to 90kmh. They don't like bikes much either. This story plus all of the recent bullshit about road tolls, during the news "silly season", has set my conspiracy antennae all a quiver.

And the state broadcaster is complicit. This is not a news story. There is no evidence, only some cop doing a piece to camera where he says he heard once that some bike was clocked at 330kmh. That may be exactly what he heard. So?

Front number plates for bikes, new boy racers laws and a 90kmh open road speed limit by Christmas.
+1.........

[Jantar]

At 330 K.P.H I’d be questioning the accuracy of the radar detector. Wouldn’t that open up a can of worms for all the speedsters? a G P S apparently isn’t completely accurate, so at 330k there’s good chance radar isn’t accurate neither.

When the story first started circulating down here about a rider being clocked at 330 kmh a local Busa rider admited (not to the cops of course) that he had been testing his Busa at the time in preparation for the drags. Although the cop claimed 330 kmh, the rider stated that his speedo was showing 299 kmh. At the sprints a few days later his official speed was recorded at 298 kmh. Radar accuracy? Speedo accuaracy? At those speeds who cares? Crash and you're dead, stop and you lose your licence.

[James Deuce]

The worry Jantar is that the laser was 10% out. Laser has been touted as the most accurate speed measuring device in the Police arsenal. There will be people walking who were doing an actual speed under 140km/hr, if this guy is still using the same uncalibrated laser gun.

[madboy]

Jim, you cannot question the police. They are right. You are wrong. Don't let facts or reality get in the way here. Now repeat after me - "Cops are never wrong."

[Speedracer]

http://www.radar.co.nz/nz/report5.html
looks interesting

"The effective range of laser and it's performance are reduced by heavy rain, smoke, fog and any other airborne pollutants. Laser is difficult to used at night, some headlights and driving lights give off substantial infra-red light, this reduces the performance of the laser substantially. Targeting vehicles at night is very difficult, the laser beam is not visible, and the operator is looking into the flare of vehicle headlights."

It also mentions that laser detection measures distance to an object, and then measures distance over time to get a speed...
so if your local cop has a shaky hand you're buggered.

[Jantar]

The worry Jantar is that the laser was 10% out. Laser has been touted as the most accurate speed measuring device in the Police arsenal. There will be people walking who were doing an actual speed under 140km/hr, if this guy is still using the same uncalibrated laser gun.

I believe it was radar, not laser.

[Swoop]

Good tv1 presentation... Up to their normal level of bullshit and governmental propaganda.
:brick:

[inlinefour]

Good tv1 presentation... Up to their normal level of bullshit and governmental propaganda.
:brick:

Look at what they tried to do with the radio waves back in the days that radio hauraki had to go out offshore. Nothing has really changed on the TV and its still owned by the crown. Secret agenda? I'd say so...

[James Deuce]

I believe it was radar, not laser.

Sorry about that. "Someone" else mentioned laser.

Nonetheless, that's an incorrectly calibrated radar unit capable of removing the license from an admittedly less than innocent party, but one not judged to have been deserving of that fate by the "new" legislation.

[thehollowmen]

Although this is done almost instantly, using the interferance from the reflected beam of light... over the disance of a few nm.
Shakey hand won't make much difference, unless he's aiming at the person coming up behind you


http://www.radar.co.nz/nz/report5.html
looks interesting

(snip)
It also mentions that laser detection measures distance to an object, and then measures distance over time to get a speed...
so if your local cop has a shaky hand you're buggered.

[Marmoot]

debating whether laser or radar has innacuracies is a moot point.

The main concern here in this thread is (1) how media can be so biased and become a mere propaganda tool, and (2) what kind of bastards we have sitting in the beehive eating our tax money only to generate mindless knee-jerk and blatantly-biased regulations.

Also, I've tried listening to parliamentary debate sessions in the radio and watching some parliamentary sessions on TV........damn I was eating my heart out........Is that how my tax money is being spent???? Paying these clowns that debate whether "the question should be 'has' rather than 'had'" etc?
Yes, where is Guy Fawkes when you need him.............

[James Deuce]

Sorry im a little confused...why is the laser calibrated wrong? there are two lasers used as well here is the other one http://www.autovelox.net/img/Kustom-Signals-Pro-Laser-1.jpg

Because there is NO way a standard, normally aspirated Suzuki Hayabusa can hit 330 km/hr. The maximum quoted speed in the tests performed by a large proportion of the motorcycling press over a period of years is 305-307 km/hr. As stated in another article I posted, a 'busa needs an extra 65 HP over stock to get to 327km/hr.

Therefore the radar or laser unit was reading 9.2-10% high.

[Lou Girardin]

To my knowledge, Stalker laser or radar doesn't read to 330. (I'll check the specs at home)
Nor will a stock 'Busa do it.
Another cop with the shakes from sugar withdrawal was reading a 3 instead of a 1.
This is a softening up tactic for some future policy.
BTW TVNZ is owned by the Govt, is it not?

[sAsLEX]

the rider stated that his speedo was showing 299 kmh.
Most modern bike speedos stop at 299. Watch GR and you see him hit 299 and the speedo stay there even though the bikes revs increase.

[**R1**]

why the fuk did he stop?

and a suzuki doing 330:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: pt

[Lou Girardin]

Stalkers are accurate to plus/minus 1.6 km/h. However, the operator may not be too concerned about correct operating procedure.

[HenryDorsetCase]

this is an aside, but I remember someone saying to me at the time the pleece were amalgamated with MoT black and whites "But how will we know who to hate now"

I believe that the decline in the general pubic's respect for the pleece can be traced directly to the first time a constable pulled over a motorist and taxed them.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Who here has contacted the State news organ (TASS) and attempted to correct the lies in that article? if someone drafts a press release I will present the fucking thing to them.

this cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged.

[Pixie]

locked him on his laser, didnt believe the speed, smacked the laser,.
Must be a technical expert as well as a expert liar.
He must have forgot to check what the NZ land speed record for bikes is and how difficult it was to achieve it.

But then again, if you track a LIDAR down a section of stationary armco,you'll get a speed reading.

[Pixie]

Nah it would be accurate in the right conditions. My backround is a Maritime Master (Drove high speed ferries), and have done a few courses on radar in my time and the principle of radar. It is pretty damn accurate if there are no other distracting factors, like rain or another vehicle close by (the radar waves will be able to distinguish the difference but not the unit/operator).

Heres a point.. if its raining, not light drizzle, then the radar doesnt work properly, because the radar just reflects back off the rain.This is called rain clutter.
So when its raining hard, its riding hard... he he
The radars used in shipping are vastly more sophisticated than speed checking radar

[Pixie]

I dont know anyone i work with who targets motorcycles,
Read Nash's column in last months Kiwi Rider.
Cop stopped Nash instead of the Volvo that was in the passing lane,because he was on a bike.

[sAsLEX]

Read Nash's column in last months Kiwi Rider.
Cop stopped Nash instead of the Volvo that was in the passing lane,because he was on a bike.

please paraphrase the article, did he get ticketed?

[Pixie]

No.If I remember correctly he made the cop feel like a total twat and got let off.
Like Lou's *555 complaint

[madboy]

Fellas, the rights/wrongs/accuracy of the devices are irrelevant. The facts are that in court, yes COURT, you will need either a really expensive lawyer or a lot of luck to prove that whatever the officer SAID you were doing was wrong. Your word against theirs doesn't cut it.

And it is ultimately in COURT where you will need to challenge any of this. The Govt don't care. The media don't care. The cop on the roadside doesn't care when he/she/it takes your license away. You need to go to COURT to get that overturned.

I might not trust cops, you might not trust cops, we might not trust their gear, but the COURTS trust cops and their gear.

Moral of the story - run as fast as you can, as often as you can, and WHEN you get caught just take it like the good bitches that the state wants us to be.

[spudchucka]

So fellas, I can assure you that in order to get a pursuit pulled you need to do more than 200km/h into oncoming traffic, more than 180km/h in a 50 zone, and it would definitely help if you lanesplit at above 250k. School zones anyone?
You're a clown!

[spudchucka]

Nah it would be accurate in the right conditions. My backround is a Maritime Master (Drove high speed ferries), and have done a few courses on radar in my time and the principle of radar. It is pretty damn accurate if there are no other distracting factors, like rain or another vehicle close by (the radar waves will be able to distinguish the difference but not the unit/operator).

Heres a point.. if its raining, not light drizzle, then the radar doesnt work properly, because the radar just reflects back off the rain.This is called rain clutter.
So when its raining hard, its riding hard... he he
The only problem I've ever had with radar in rain is that it sometimes struggles to get the patrol ground speed, (because of puddles I guess), however if it gets a ground speed it will get the target speed too.

[spudchucka]

Stalkers are accurate to plus/minus 1.6 km/h. However, the operator may not be too concerned about correct operating procedure.
Explain please.

[sAsLEX]

it will get the target speed too.

it will return a speed no doubt, but speed of what?

[marty]

you'd struggle to hold the laser on a bike approaching at 300km/h - especially a slippery one like a busa. with a handheld range of 500m in good coinditions, at 300km/h, which is 80 meters/second, so he had 6 seconds to track, check, track, check, see ya......

current NZ land speed record for bikes is?

[Zapf]

Heres a point.. if its raining, not light drizzle, then the radar doesnt work properly, because the radar just reflects back off the rain.This is called rain clutter.
So when its raining hard, its riding hard... he he

I noticed that... you never see speed koumera's / HP / Prod cars operating in the pouring rain...

[marty]

can't find the nz land speed record, but searching google finds numerous production speeds for busa's at timed speed events are all around the 195-200mph mark (200mph being 320km/h)

[marty]

you're right speedmedic - the clutter is from too much reflection in the rain, and you need a patrol speed before the target speed is aquired

[marty]

and if i painted my busa, it won't be in that fugly bronze....

[spudchucka]

it will return a speed no doubt, but speed of what?
I don't turn the bloody thing on unless there is a car in the beam.

[Lou Girardin]

Explain please.

I've seen a very casual approach to identifying the actual offender. Then there's the discrepancies that incorrect use of laser guns can cause.
And there's the old favourite - cosine error, which can work for or against the taxpayer.
But, what the hell, quota's a bit low for the day. All the "hard core" speeders are at home, whaddaya gonna do?

[Lou Girardin]

I don't turn the bloody thing on unless there is a car in the beam.

That may be so. But is the speed you see accurate? Or is it affected by the rain?
Same goes for laser, even smoke and heat shimmer can affect them.

[sAsLEX]

I don't turn the bloody thing on unless there is a car in the beam.

what I was reffering to is the fact the rain could trigger a high reading from difficulty of getting a good return to assertain patrol speed, then you ping some poor soul driving towards you in the rain for 1xx kmh and he has no recourse to get off said ticket.

[spudchucka]

No the reason it is struggling to get patrol speed is, the unit is getting clutter back to the receiver. The radar is reflecting off the rain (not puddles) and sending mixed messages back to the patrol car.
It works by constanly emitting a radar pulse and receiving a consistent return... reflecting off surroundings (buildings, trees, the ground ahead... anything stationary). When an oncoming vehicle comes into the radar range it detects a speed differential between the patrol speed and target speed. Both are displayed on your unit.
If you are having trouble in the rain geting a patrol speed then the target speed will certainly not be very accurate, as they use the same radar pulse for both. (Thats also why you have a "fastest" button.)
Mate, you don't need to tell me how the damn thing works.

It won't display anything on the readout if the ground speed isn't established first. When it has read an incorrect ground speed it has been quite obvious and almost always reads considerably lower than the true speed. Other times it will add the target and patrol speeds together and give you a way out reading thats obviously ridiculous.

In stationary mode rain doesn't seem to have any detrimental effect on the radar at all.

[spudchucka]

what I was reffering to is the fact the rain could trigger a high reading from difficulty of getting a good return to assertain patrol speed, then you ping some poor soul driving towards you in the rain for 1xx kmh and he has no recourse to get off said ticket.
See my post after yours. The errors noted in rainy conditions are quite obvious. If you are getting errors you just turn the thing off untill the weather improves.

[EZAS]

Like it matters, I got a 140kmh from an undercover on my 600. Tried to look in the window to check for an equipment, saw nothing so over took on the left, then weaved my way up the motorway. Saw the lights, knew I was on the reserve so I pulled over.

"you were doing between 130 and 140kmh", ticket was for 140kmh. No evidence but if it goes to court, who are they gonna believe? If a cop says you did it, and you dispute it .. yeah .. sure they'll believe a 24 year old on a 600cc sports bike.

[James Deuce]

can't find the nz land speed record, but searching google finds numerous production speeds for busa's at timed speed events are all around the 195-200mph mark (200mph being 320km/h)

A standard 'busa that will do 200mph is a VERY rare thing. Out of all the tests that I posted the link for, concatenated from years of tests and many of the World's best Motorcycle Magazine's only one his 200.2mph and that was Bike in 1999. You will note that they were using the wind to their advantage in that story too.

Most other magazines struggled to get to 192 on average. 200 mph is 327km/hr. Which means that the speed allegedly recorded by the anecdotal cop is hugely unlikely.

[riffer]

Other times it will add the target and patrol speeds together and give you a way out reading thats obviously ridiculous.


Most other magazines struggled to get to 192 on average. 200 mph is 327km/hr. Which means that the speed allegedly recorded by the anecdotal cop is hugely unlikely.

Now maybe I'm wrong, but do you think there's anything that could be drawn from these two statements that just MIGHT explain what's going on here?

[curious george]

Who gives a shit?
If you're pinged and stopped, you were going to fast.
If the laser recorded speed says 120, and you were 115, your bad.
Given ideal conditions, what's the margin of error?

[James Deuce]

LIke I said before George, if you are doing a real 129km/hr and that particular unit pings you, you are walking.

[Matt Bleck]

Like it matters, I got a 140kmh from an undercover on my 600. Tried to look in the window to check for an equipment, saw nothing so over took on the left, then weaved my way up the motorway. Saw the lights, knew I was on the reserve so I pulled over.

"you were doing between 130 and 140kmh", ticket was for 140kmh. No evidence but if it goes to court, who are they gonna believe? If a cop says you did it, and you dispute it .. yeah .. sure they'll believe a 24 year old on a 600cc sports bike.

I have always been givin the opportunity to check the clocked speed.

I didn't think they could guess your speed :mellow:

[riffer]

Yes, but what if you were doing 120, and the police car 100, and they say you were doing 220?

Could it happen?

[Slingshot]

Yes, but what if you were doing 120, and the police car 100, and they say you were doing 220?

Could it happen?

Anything's possible.

I had a dream about this last night...I'd attached my video camera to the tank and had the speedo on video, it clearly showed that I was doing the speed limit but I got a ticket for 3,829Kmph and 18 trillion demerit points.
I took the system to court and defended myself and won, the media coverage was huge! I became instantly famous and went on to defend other motorists.

[cowboyz]

Anything's possible.

I had a dream about this last night...I'd attached my video camera to the tank and had the speedo on video, it clearly showed that I was doing the speed limit but I got a ticket for 3,829Kmph and 18 trillion demerit points.
I took the system to court and defended myself and won, the media coverage was huge! I became instantly famous and went on to defend other motorists.


Yes, 3829k/hr. I just pulled out from the shops, accelerated and 4 seconds later I was in the middle of the tasman sea.........

Take out the armour and put on floaties

[madboy]

I wouldn't have disputed that ticket... I would've plead guilty. The amount of kudos, free sex and ego stroking you'd get from being the fastest guy on a bike by 3,500km/h would be worth the 9 month disqualification and $1000 fine and NEVER getting insurance again.

[marty]

i've made a complaint to the broadcasting standards authority about this 'news' item, as it has obviously been staged, and it was poorly reported, poorly researched, and the information contained in it was not substantiated, or even backed up by any charges being laid.

[Skyryder]

Don't think the issue here is whether it's lasar, radar, wet, fine, puddles on road etc. The simple fact is that the instant loss of licence means just that not only for us bikers but all those that use the roads...........and this on the say of a police officer. Now I personally don't give a shit if it's forty K's over or ten k's over when you lose your licence. I am concerned that the law has not allowed the driver time enough to get home. Instead it leaves a road user stranded at the side of the road that may be in a city or town but could equally be some place out in the wop wops. It is illegal for school bus drivers to remove unruley students from their buses even though the driver may have cause to believe that the students behavour may endanger his passanger or other road users. There is a very good reason for this.........roads are dangerous places for pedestrians and school bus drivers are required by law to take the student to the desiganted drop off point that is the closest to their homes. THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE. But the politicians in their infinite wisdom have deemed otherwise and that our roads no matter where are perfectly safe for adult pedestrians.

I have in the past, before going into battle, asked my self two question.

Am I right??
Can I win??

The answer is Yes to both of them. And now the scary part is how. That's the bit I am now grappling with.

Skyryder

[justsomeguy]

I'm pretty sure that unless you've done something to really :angry2:them the cops will give you a lift to someplace safe from where you can make arrangements.

Besides - you choose whether you place yourself in that situation - it's pretty hard to do 40k's over the limit "by mistake".

[WINJA]

it's pretty hard to do 40k's over the limit "by mistake".
NOT WHEN FULTON HOGAN HAVE BEEN LAZY AND DIDNT PUT SIGNS UP ON A SIDE STREET SOMEONE LOSES THEIR LICENCE CAUSE THE PIG IS TO LAZY TO GO SEE THAT THE SIGNS ARENT THERE. THATS WHY WE NEED TO HAVE A COURT TO DECIDE B4 PUNISHMENT IS DEALT

[justsomeguy]

NOT WHEN FULTON HOGAN HAVE BEEN LAZY AND DIDNT PUT SIGNS UP ON A SIDE STREET SOMEONE LOSES THEIR LICENCE CAUSE THE PIG IS TO LAZY TO GO SEE THAT THE SIGNS ARENT THERE. THATS WHY WE NEED TO HAVE A COURT TO DECIDE B4 PUNISHMENT IS DEALT

That's not being lazy - that's a blatant bloody speed trap. The oinks know where the signs should be and where they aren't.

[Kickaha]

current NZ land speed record for bikes is?

It is 307.447kmh set by John Hepburn on a Hayabusa at Edendale, Febuary 5th, 2000 ( that is for the flying quarter )

His best one way pass was 310kmh

[Skyryder]

I'm pretty sure that unless you've done something to really :angry2:them the cops will give you a lift to someplace safe from where you can make arrangements.

Besides - you choose whether you place yourself in that situation - it's pretty hard to do 40k's over the limit "by mistake".

You are right it is pretty hard to do that speed by mistake. I can remeber a time when I was travelling nice and law abiding behind a trailor just South of Amberly, cruising just a tad below 100 and enjoying the ride. There were three cars ahead of the trailor and a stream of cars behind. Everybody just minding their own buisness. Now this trailor was loaded up to the gunnels with firewood and lo and behold it hit a bump in the road and off comes a couple of pieces of fire wood bouncing along that I narrowly avoided. I would hate to think what would have happened it I had gone to ground............so to speak. Well not too sure what you would do but me I'm not hanging around for anothe peice to come bouncing off. Now as I said there were three cars ahead of the trailor so in effect I had four cars and a trailor to get past. under normal circumstances I would have got closer to the trailor so as to get out and make my run as fast as possible but due to the unstable load I was unable to do this. I had cars up my arse as it was. Well I'll make it short. To get out of this dangerous situation I was into the 160+. Even then under the old loss of licence regime I would have been stranded. I deliberatly broke the speeding laws because some fool had an unsafe load. Now before you make any excuses and say that the cops would take that into account I came across police at the vehicle weigh station and rep[orted to them what had happened. They pulled the trailor up and after talking to the driver allowed him to continue. So if I was pinged I leave my bike on the side the road and this guy is allowed to drive on. TRUE STORY MY FRIEND TRUE STORY. I'd wager that most here at some time in their rideing carreer could tell of a simular incedent where it is neccessary to speed to get out of a dangerous situation.


Skyryder

[cowboyz]

To start with, I dont think I ride that fast. There are plenty of guys who ride faster than I do. I ride a 15 year old 600. I don't think it is hard to do 140 at all. A nice day, cruising, sun on your back, striaght road and 140 just creeps up on you. (probably why I have so much trouble with speeding tickets). Now as I said, my bike is 15 years old. Probably something like 70-80 HP. I just only imagine how these late model 100+ HP 600s stay under 140.

[Firefight]

i've made a complaint to the broadcasting standards authority about this 'news'


good on you Marty maybe if we all did that, can you send me an addy or a link.I will make a complaint as well.

F/F


oh yeah I know its:Offtopic: but did you here about the B737/500 incident at Houston on monday ? I think it was a Continental Aircraft.

[riffer]

How many other people are sitting here thinking that there's someone out there who saw last night's piece on TV1 and are saying to themselves "Okay, the bar's been set at 330. How do I beat it?"

:oi-grr: sits and waits for the inevitable TV1 piece on rider on new ZX14 topping 350 on the Canterbury Straights...

[Lou Girardin]

Na Lou im pretty sure that the hawk, stalker and prolasers all will read to a maximum ok 999km/hr. I got told that by one of the I&T boys who was taking a prolaser down to get it calibrated.

There was a big hoo ha when they first got them of cops pointing them at aircraft (they were told off) so they can detect speeds well in excess off 300km/hr).

The laser is lightspeed to it can take any object its pointed at and get a reading off it almost straight away (the prolaser is FAR superior to the new stalker) it doesnt matter how fast teh object is as long as it has it long enough to get a lock.

I've just checked Stalker spec sheets. Radar reads to 299 km/h, Lidar reads to 481 km/h.
So, which one checked the 'Busa at 330?

[Toast]

How many other people are sitting here thinking that there's someone out there who saw last night's piece on TV1 and are saying to themselves "Okay, the bar's been set at 330. How do I beat it?"

:oi-grr: sits and waits for the inevitable TV1 piece on rider on new ZX14 topping 350 on the Canterbury Straights...

hahaha...gotta keep the competitive spirit alive.

[curious george]

LIke I said before George, if you are doing a real 129km/hr and that particular unit pings you, you are walking.
I assume that means they clocked you at 140kmh+ in a 100kph zone?
Thar's quite a margn of error, one I suspect would not be possible.
Every piece of kit has it errors, I would have thought the radars/lazers to be much tighter than that, even under the worst conditions/operators.

One of the cops here might know, or somebody who has read up on them, what's the measurable limits, and the acceptable margin of error?

[scumdog]

Now I personally don't give a shit if it's forty K's over or ten k's over when you lose your licence. I am concerned that the law has not allowed the driver time enough to get home. Instead it leaves a road user stranded at the side of the road that may be in a city or town but could equally be some place out in the wop wops.
Skyryder

Yeah, well ya shoulda thought about that before ya decided to haul-ass with both hands cowboy!!

I get that all the time with drunk drivers:
What about my car while you take me back to the station"?

"Well sir, if things go O.K. it will still be there for one of your sober mates to pick up when you let them know the situation".

"Oh, that's o.k. - but what if things don't go O.K.?

"Well, you could return to a missing car - or one that's a smouldering wreck at the side of the road"

"Shee-it! that's no good! Man I'm in the shit if that happens!"

"Yeah, well I guess you forgot about THAT bit when you decided to drive off home drunk, bad luck!!

F'rkn loser - always SOMEBODY elses fault.

[WINJA]

Yeah, well ya shoulda thought about that before ya decided to haul-ass with both hands cowboy!!

I get that all the time with drunk drivers:
What about my car while you take me back to the station"?

"Well sir, if things go O.K. it will still be there for one of your sober mates to pick up when you let them know the situation".

"Oh, that's o.k. - but what if things don't go O.K.?

"Well, you could return to a missing car - or one that's a smouldering wreck at the side of the road"

"Shee-it! that's no good! Man I'm in the shit if that happens!"

"Yeah, well I guess you forgot about THAT bit when you decided to drive off home drunk, bad luck!!

F'rkn loser - always SOMEBODY elses fault.
IT IS YOUR FAULT IF HIS CAR IS LEFT IN A SITUATION WHERE IT MAY BE INTERFERED WITH ,WHO CARES IF HE BROKE THE LAW , DOESNT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO HELP OUT OTHER CRIMINALS , ARE YOU TO STUPID TO SEE THAT

[Gremlin]

F'rkn loser - always SOMEBODY elses fault.
isn't it obvious?? Tis your fault. He wouldn't have had a problem if you hadn't pulled him over...:shifty:


[p/t]

[number33]

These nerdy cunts who dreamt up this 40kph shit - who the fuck are they really? I can picture the strange fuckers now - gormless toadies with horn rimmed glasses, and wearing starched white shirts with crusty yellow sweat stains under their arms. They'll be sitting in their cubicles, jerking and twisting their clammy necks back and forth - robot like. Approving and rubber-stamping all types of new bullshit rules for 2006 and beyond. Ah yes the toadies continue their greasy fucken shit. Looks like it'll be suicidle full-throttle runners for a lot of us sooner or later.

[Marmoot]

i've made a complaint to the broadcasting standards authority about this 'news' item, as it has obviously been staged, and it was poorly reported, poorly researched, and the information contained in it was not substantiated, or even backed up by any charges being laid.

Good on ya Marty.
Hearsay is definitely not news, and definitely not supposed to be on a 6 o'clock, unless it is backed by properly-researched facts.

If I have an address and know what a complaint letter looks like, I might modify it here and there and pop one into the authority as well.

Media is getting more and more madness everyday.

[skidMark]

i recall a video of ghost rider in which you have an in bike cam showing a speedo at about 298 clicks then comes ghosty flying past in a wheelie prob doing well over 350 ....explain that one to me...

lol

good on the bugger but how does a cop

a)read a plate at that speed

b)catch him

i mean honestly

[Skyryder]

Yeah, well ya shoulda thought about that before ya decided to haul-ass with both hands cowboy!!

I get that all the time with drunk drivers:
What about my car while you take me back to the station"?

"Well sir, if things go O.K. it will still be there for one of your sober mates to pick up when you let them know the situation".

"Oh, that's o.k. - but what if things don't go O.K.?

"Well, you could return to a missing car - or one that's a smouldering wreck at the side of the road"

"Shee-it! that's no good! Man I'm in the shit if that happens!"

"Yeah, well I guess you forgot about THAT bit when you decided to drive off home drunk, bad luck!!

F'rkn loser - always SOMEBODY elses fault.


The analogy of the drunk driver is not applicable for the following reason. The drunk driver leaves his car/bike on the side of the road because they are a danger not only to themselves but also to other road users. The same applies if a vehicle is deemed unsafe.

The instant loss of licence is another story. It is enforced as a punishment with the result that the law enforcment officer now places the driver in a situation that may result in injury. There is no reason as to why the driver can not proceed safely. THAT IS NOT THE CASE WITH DRUNK DRIVERS OR UNSAFE VEHICLES. Why can you not see this SD.

I have some difficulty that those who are responsible to oversee the safty of our citizens on the highways can justify a punishment that places a person at risk. That those who profess that they have the safty of road users in their interests and now justify leaving people stranded on our highways are in my opinion the worst kind of hypocrites. But when you consider that the PM and her cabinet are on record as saying that it is acceptable for ministerial convoys to travel at speed (170+)and that it is safe to do so and a judge advises in his court that one of the convicted drivers should appeal their conviction then I put it you that there is clearly a law for them (that's you SD) and another for the rest of us.

There is a simple solution to this that is equally effective. That is a given time frame (say within 48 hours from the issue of notice) where their licence must be surrended to the Police. That gives the person time to get home no matter where he/she is in New Zealand and at the same time acts as a speeding deterent.

What is it going to take before common sense rears it head on this issue? Some stranded driver killed by a hit and run, a woman raped on the side of the road even murdered.

At the moment this county is not being governed by the Government but by bureaucrats that the Government is paid, with our taxes to govern. Our politico's sit blindly in their select committees listen to advice and simply rubber stamp it so that they can get to Bellimies for Happy Hour.

What the Police, LTNZ and the Politicians in this country need is a fucken good wake up call. A mass rally on the steps of Parliment with a few thousand bikers reving their engines in protest just might be the way to do it. Might not acheive much but at least for a few hours there will be a 'real' Party in Parliment.

Skyryder

[250learna]

That clip on one fu**s me off. My old man drives a cab, and i lost count of how many times he has told me that hes seen cops fly through intersactions at night and cause accidents, which could have been avoided if they realy put safty over hooning around in their holdens...dont get me wrong I know most of you fellas are alrite, but same can be said for bikers. Few badies give everyone the bad name, the difference is that we admit we arent perfect, but with police they pretend to be perfect while generalising on few extreme cases to justify their harsh speeding laws. :nono:

[James Deuce]

Blah, blah, blah, rant, rant, rant

Is this the REAL Skyryder speaking, or the virtual construct who delights in deceit and antagonism? I thought you didn't present any part of your "real" persona on Internet forums.

[James Deuce]

...... but with police they pretend to be perfect while generalising on few extreme cases to justify their harsh speeding laws. :nono:

They aren't "their" laws. Those laws are ours. They are the direct result of decisions WE make in the polling booth.

[Skyryder]

Is this the REAL Skyryder speaking, or the virtual construct who delights in deceit and antagonism? I thought you didn't present any part of your "real" persona on Internet forums.

Originally Posted by Skyryder
Blah, blah, blah, rant, rant, rant

Tell me J2 where did you get the above quote that you attribute to me. Oh don't tell me. You made it up. But being a moderator you have the control to do that. Unless you can show where you got my quote from I will PM Spank and ask that you be removed from this authority on the grounds that you can not be trusted to act in a responsible manner to members posts.

Seem to recall something about you accusing me of ambushing you. Guess hypocrosy is alive and well in your house.

Oh and by the way the rules changed a while back so now 'you' can expect to see the real me. Don't usually state the obvious but in your case it seems I need to.

So once again where's the quote from Jimmy.

Skyryder

[Lou Girardin]

These nerdy cunts who dreamt up this 40kph shit - who the fuck are they really? I can picture the strange fuckers now - gormless toadies with horn rimmed glasses, and wearing starched white shirts with crusty yellow sweat stains under their arms. They'll be sitting in their cubicles, jerking and twisting their clammy necks back and forth - robot like. Approving and rubber-stamping all types of new bullshit rules for 2006 and beyond. Ah yes the toadies continue their greasy fucken shit. Looks like it'll be suicidle full-throttle runners for a lot of us sooner or later.

Precisely, I've met them.

[Lou Girardin]

NOT WHEN FULTON HOGAN HAVE BEEN LAZY AND DIDNT PUT SIGNS UP ON A SIDE STREET SOMEONE LOSES THEIR LICENCE CAUSE THE PIG IS TO LAZY TO GO SEE THAT THE SIGNS ARENT THERE. THATS WHY WE NEED TO HAVE A COURT TO DECIDE B4 PUNISHMENT IS DEALT

Then the speed limit is not enforceable.

[sAsLEX]

Unless you can show where you got my quote from I will PM Spank and ask that my profile be changed so I am a 13 year old girl!

Its fairly simple to alter qoutes, try it.


Besides - you choose whether you place yourself in that situation - it's pretty hard to do 40k's over the limit "by mistake".

It would actually be very easy to creep over 40, hmmm how about the motorway? there is a lot of 80 zones on the MW and it aint hard to driveon a MW at 120 now is it.

I know family of four driving down to auckland to see dying granma, miss the 80k sign at bridge cause of screaming kiddies, roll down the far side of the bridge and inadvertantly creep over 120. Not hard to do at all!

[skelstar]

I had a dream about this last night...and went on to defend other motorists.
Jeez! Did you look like Julia Roberts? Go Erin Brokovich!!!

[WINJA]

Then the speed limit is not enforecable.
TRY TELLING THAT TO THE PIG THAT JUST TOOK YOUR LICENCE

[sAsLEX]

TRY TELLING THAT TO THE PIG THAT JUST TOOK YOUR LICENCE

Plus you have no recourse, you have to sit on the side of the road and wait for a taxi as it is an instant thing, no defence you are guilty until proven innocent which can take years in our useless justice system.

[judgeshock]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: This thread has just made my day.

Absolutely amusing

[Clockwork]

They aren't "their" laws. Those laws are ours. They are the direct result of decisions WE make in the polling booth.

I don't recall any politcal party publishing these laws in their manifesto. I'm inclined to agree with the proposition that these rules are conceived by bureaucrats (and the Police Exceutive) and get rubber stamped by whichever party is in power at the time.

[skelstar]

I don't recall any politcal party publishing these laws in their manifesto.
Probably because no-one made it an election issue.

[EZAS]

No1 party ever does make it an issue, not that they ever stand by what they say anyway ... Like National's ... "where going to introduce 5,000 more policeman" so they just migrate traffic with the regulard/REAL police force. All the cops who had been ranked up in traffic were given the same rank when they joined the REAL cops.

As for anyone who states, Labour are raising the costs of tickets, National aren't so heavy on fines ... get REAL. Do you honestly think that National would LOWER the costs of tickets?
"I'm inclined to agree with the proposition that these rules are conceived by bureaucrats (and the Police Exceutive) and get rubber stamped by whichever party is in power at the time." - COULDNT AGREE MORE!!

[Marley]

I like the way that if you don't concentrate too closely, the news clip leaves you with the impression that motorcylists often do wheelies with no hands, lying on the bike with feet covering the number plate, and usually at 330 km/h.

[cowpoos]

Its easy to do modify posts and you don't need to be a mod skyryder...just PM me and I'll learn ya :Police:

Skyryder

boo............

[Lou Girardin]

TRY TELLING THAT TO THE PIG THAT JUST TOOK YOUR LICENCE

Then he can explain it in civil court, to your lawyer.
Or you can just bite a bigger chunk of pillow and hope he's a premature type.

[Storm]

motorcylists often do wheelies with no hands, lying on the bike with feet covering the number plate, and usually at 330 km/h.

What, dont you ?

[SVrunner]

So if Suzuki no do 330

What bike can do over 300 that is registered for road?? & provide proof!!

[DMNTD]

...What bike can do over 300 that is registered for road?? & provide proof!!

Have had mine reaing 297kmph with a bit left.
If ya want proof ya had better keep up or loan me a camera setup mate,no worries :wait:

[Slingshot]

Have had mine reaing 297kmph with a bit left.
If ya want proof ya had better keep up or loan me a camera setup mate,no worries :wait:

What the speedo is telling you is a completely different story to the actual speed you'd doing and generally speaking, the faster you go the more inaccurate the speedo gets.
So your 297 on the speedo was probably in reality more like 270ish at a guess, of course, your speedo may be perfectly calibrated at all speeds and if this is the case then I'm sorry.

[ducatilover]

I like the way that if you don't concentrate too closely, the news clip leaves you with the impression that motorcylists often do wheelies with no hands, lying on the bike with feet covering the number plate, and usually at 330 km/h.
cant prove it..... you couldnt see my number plate:woohoo:

[DMNTD]

What the speedo is telling you is a completely different story to the actual speed you'd doing and generally speaking, the faster you go the more inaccurate the speedo gets.
So your 297 on the speedo was probably in reality more like 270ish at a guess, of course, your speedo may be perfectly calibrated at all speeds and if this is the case then I'm sorry.
Quite possibley right sir...bit sad for a new bike though if that is the case :baby:
Did feel like it though! :woohoo: :ride:

[Lou Girardin]

Recently, on a closed road etc etc, I had the Bandit just over 200 k's.
Shame the accurate bike speedo I'd fitted only showed 175.
I lost 3 inches of penis length right then, now I'm countersunk.

[handy_dog]

I don't turn the bloody thing on unless there is a car in the beam.
Not very sporting of you :Pokey:

[cowpoos]

I lost 3 inches of penis length right then.

I bet your theripest has some stories to tell :wait:

[handy_dog]

What the Police, LTNZ and the Politicians in this country need is a fucken good wake up call. A mass rally on the steps of Parliment with a few thousand bikers reving their engines in protest just might be the way to do it. Might not acheive much but at least for a few hours there will be a 'real' Party in Parliment.

Skyryder[/QUOTE]

Shame the last person who went to Parliment, with the intention of doing an honest days work, was Guy Faulks.........:doctor:

[Clockwork]

Probably because no-one made it an election issue.
No manifesto, no mandate!! :Oi:

[marty]

here tis:

http://www.bsa.govt.nz/makingcomplaints.htm

[Marley]

... wheelies with no hands, lying on the bike with feet covering the number plate, and usually at 330 km/h.

What, dont you ?

I saw somebody attempting that a while back, on a New Lynn side street at night. They had some sort of cbr triple-r stunt bike I think, not too sure, but it seemed to have been highly modified.

[Skyryder]

Is this the REAL Skyryder speaking, or the virtual construct who delights in deceit and antagonism? I thought you didn't present any part of your "real" persona on Internet forums.

I've just had one of my posts on you removed from the forum. Seems when I call it like it is your friends in high places come and save you. So where's the quote from J2 or do you have to hide behind the forum moderators.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: This thread has just made my day.

Absolutely amusing

That is until you are left stranded.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

They aren't "their" laws. Those laws are ours. They are the direct result of decisions WE make in the polling booth.

What planet do you live on J2. The only thing the polling booth does is to give us a Government. Nothing else. Perhaps you can provide the documentation that shows how the law is a result of the decision that I make. For strangly enough I seem to have lost it.:finger:

Skyryder

[Hitcher]

The first (up-country) edition of the Saturday 20 January DominionPost carries a feature article by David McLoughlin that quotes a South Canterbury Policeman as saying the fastest recorded speed he was aware of was for a motorcycle travelling at 350kmh. This statement is incorrect and has been corrected for subsequent editions of the paper as 250kmh.

However I suspect there will be a few up-country readers who will be misinformed by this.

[Skyryder]

The first (up-country) edition of the Saturday 20 January DominionPost carries a feature article by David McLoughlin that quotes a South Canterbury Policeman as saying the fastest recorded speed he was aware of was for a motorcycle travelling at 350kmh. This statement is incorrect and has been corrected for subsequent editions of the paper as 250kmh.

However I suspect there will be a few up-country readers who will be misinformed by this.

And because of this there are now, thanks to TV One and Three, thousands of kiwis who see the changed instant loss of licence speed justified.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

Then he can explain it in civil court, to your lawyer.
.

That's assuming you can afford to hire a COMPETENT lawyer to take your case!:motu:

[scumdog]

And because of this there are now, thanks to TV One and Three, thousands of kiwis who see the changed instant loss of licence speed justified.

Skyryder

Well, they must be bozos that you know - as far as I'M concerned there are none! - even the average Joe has more sense than to take that seriously.

[Toast]

They aren't "their" laws. Those laws are ours. They are the direct result of decisions WE make in the polling booth.

That may be theoretically true...but I don't believe it's reasonable, as there's no way that you can accurately predict how a chosen party (let alone a coalition of them) will really act when they become a Government. Especially on an issue like enforcement of a morally just speeding policy...so complaint about the law in this case is totally justified...plus it would be political suicide to go against the already mass-media and govt. advertising generated hype.

[scumdog]

The instant loss of licence is another story. It is enforced as a punishment with the result that the law enforcment officer now places the driver in a situation that may result in injury. There is no reason as to why the driver can not proceed safely. THAT IS NOT THE CASE WITH DRUNK DRIVERS OR UNSAFE VEHICLES. Why can you not see this SD.

Skyryder

A drunk driver MAY have had poor judgement, somebody doing 140kph+ MUST have had SOME awareness of their speed.

"No reason why the driver can not proceed safely" - Yeah right! Imagine: "After we caught him doing 155kph we gave him his ticket and we said he could ride off home but he took off at 200kph and hit the mini-bus with 11 9 year olds in it, we're sorry but we never realise he would speed again after we caught him"

Headlines: "Police let crazed speed-maniac ride off and kill three young children on bible-class trip"

[stevedee]

Rock and a hard place, there will be no resolution to this , the arguments will go on till the cows come home. The Law is an Ass, and the only people that obey the Law, ...pay the fines, obey it, discuss it, think about it, are us, law abiding people. The people the Laws are created for (the head cases), continue on, ignore it and for the most part.... laugh at us....Nothing changes. They in effect cause more stringent Laws for the rest of us. They pay no fines, they loose no licenses because they never had one or lost it long ago, the system no longer applies to them, ....just Joe Mugg like us. I ain't got an answer.

[WINJA]

A drunk driver MAY have had poor judgement, somebody doing 140kph+ MUST have had SOME awareness of their speed.

"No reason why the driver can not proceed safely" - Yeah right! Imagine: "After we caught him doing 155kph we gave him his ticket and we said he could ride off home but he took off at 200kph and hit the mini-bus with 11 9 year olds in it, we're sorry but we never realise he would speed again after we caught him"

Headlines: "Police let crazed speed-maniac ride off and kill three young children on bible-class trip"
PITY THE LEGAL SYSTEM DIDNT SAY THIS ABOUT TAFFE HOTENE THE FIRST TIME , YOUR FULLA SHIT SCUM AND YOUR BELIEVING YOUR BOSSES LIES , JUST PROVES YOU GUYS ON THE COAL FACE ARE THE BAD GUYS. SOMEONE WHO JUST GOT A WHOPPER FINE WILL BE MOST LIKELY TO BEHAVE AFTERWARDS . IF IT REALLY WAS DANGEROUS ALL THE COPS IN HELENS MOTORCADE WOULDA LOST THEIR JOBS ,THOSE FUCKWITT PIGS THAT DRIVE DANGEROUSLY WOULD BE FIRED .
REALLY YOU GUYS ARE DOING A SHIT JOB , HANDING OUT TICKETS IS THE PUSSYS OPTION

[Clockwork]

A drunk driver MAY have had poor judgement, somebody doing 140kph+ MUST have had SOME awareness of their speed.

"No reason why the driver can not proceed safely" - Yeah right! Imagine: "After we caught him doing 155kph we gave him his ticket and we said he could ride off home but he took off at 200kph and hit the mini-bus with 11 9 year olds in it, we're sorry but we never realise he would speed again after we caught him"

Headlines: "Police let crazed speed-maniac ride off and kill three young children on bible-class trip"

You can apply that argument to anyone that's caught speeding!! or indeed anyone doing anything. Surely you're not advocating punishing people before they commit an offence?

:Police: :Police:"He looks dodgy, let's arrest him, he's bound to be planning something." :stoogie:

[scumdog]

PITY THE LEGAL SYSTEM DIDNT SAY THIS ABOUT TAFFE HOTENE THE FIRST TIME , YOUR FULLA SHIT SCUM AND YOUR BELIEVING YOUR BOSSES LIES , JUST PROVES YOU GUYS ON THE COAL FACE ARE THE BAD GUYS. SOMEONE WHO JUST GOT A WHOPPER FINE WILL BE MOST LIKELY TO BEHAVE AFTERWARDS . IF IT REALLY WAS DANGEROUS ALL THE COPS IN HELENS MOTORCADE WOULDA LOST THEIR JOBS ,THOSE FUCKWITT PIGS THAT DRIVE DANGEROUSLY WOULD BE FIRED .
REALLY YOU GUYS ARE DOING A SHIT JOB , HANDING OUT TICKETS IS THE PUSSYS OPTION

But YOU pay me to do it:motu:

[crshbndct]

To whom it may concern:

I would like to raise a formal complaint regarding the item on one news regarding extreme speeding, which was brought to my attention on 21/01/06. The item dealt with Speeding but in my opinion it contravened no less than seven of the Broadcasting Standards Authority Standards:
1)2c
2)4a
3)5a
4)5b
5)5c
6)5d
7)5e.

I will explain each of these.

1) The standard states: "Programmes should not depict or describe techniques of crime in a manner which invites imitation."

It clearly shows the manner in which a speeding motorcyclist used a tape to cover his license plate in a way that would be easy to imitate.

2)The Standard states: "Programmes which deal with political matters, current affairs, and questions of a controversial nature, must show balance and impartiality."

It did not get any opinions from motorcyclists, nor did the fact that the itme was on speeders deal with any car drivers, thereby implying that motorcyclists were the worst speeders.

3) - 7) For convenience, I will incluse all of standard 5 here.

5a Significant errors of fact should be corrected at the earliest opportunity.

5b Broadcasters should refrain from broadcasting material which is misleading or unnecessarily alarms viewers.

5c Broadcasters must ensure that the editorial independence and integrity of news and current affairs is maintained.

5d Factual reports on the one hand, and opinion, analysis and comment on the other, should be clearly distinguishable.

5e Broadcasters must take all reasonable steps to ensure at all times that the information sources for news, current affairs and documentaries are reliable.

3) A significant error of fact was included in this article, as the fastest recorded speed on a motorcycle is ???? as recorded by ???? on ?????????, riding a heavily modified?????????. There is no motorcycle in the country that is capable of 330kmh. These facts can be explained, but for purposes of this complaint lets suffice to say that claiming that a motorcycle did 330km/h is similiar to claiming that a car has done 500km/h on a public road.

4)Stating that these speeds have been achieved is misleading and alarming as it is not possible that it could have happened, and i personally was alarmed when i first heard it.

5)


i cant be fucked finishiing it now but i will later, and fix all teh gramma and atrocious sentence structure and send it in.

[thehollowmen]

I went into McIver and Vietch the suzuki dealers in dunedin yesterday.

They've got three hyabusas on the floor, one has been sold since the TV show and they've got four sets of buyers scrapping over the other two.

:-D
best advertising they never had

[EZAS]

Yeah I liked the tape thing ... Was gonna try it last night but forgot to buy some tape before we left for the midnight motorway blat.

[cowpoos]

But YOU pay me to do it:motu:

no we don't....the government pay you...we pay them...
and we hope that in paying the government we will get a return on our investment...by having cops that show up to crime scene's and acctually do the work that should be done...solving real crimes...

cops are always winging about hav not enough cops on the force...shit with your guys public image I'm not surprised...and theres plenty of ya cruzing around boy racing in big auz tin cans doing sweet fuck all...why arn't you doing some real police work...if pulling my sis over for doing 112kmph on a dead straight road that stays straight for about 12kms is justifiable work to you...you need to pull ya head in...its just pathetic really

[cowpoos]

i cant be fucked finishiing it now but i will later, and fix all teh gramma and atrocious sentence structure and send it in.

rep dispatched

[scumdog]

...if pulling my sis over for doing 112kmph on a dead straight road that stays straight for about 12kms is justifiable work to you...you need to pull ya head in...its just pathetic really

Never met your sister, speeding or not.

There seems to be too many 'IFs' in a lot of posting on this and other similar threads methinks, - fantasy and B/S reign eh?

[shcabbeh]

Hmm, I thought the tuned 'busas only reached that kind of speed on like, designated airfield strips and things. I just can't imagine someone having the balls to do that on a NZ road.

Also, from what I've read (correct me if I'm wrong) cracking the 300km/h barrier on a bike is a big thing, as it's really difficult. Throw in the fact that it supposedly happened on a road being monitored by police, so clearly there would have been other traffic.

I dunno, something just doesn't add up for me..nobody could be that stupid, could they?

( Plus, the cop on the video looks like an utter douche bag. I think that needs to be taken into account. ;D )

[scumdog]

Hmm, I thought the tuned 'busas only reached that kind of speed on like, designated airfield strips and things. I just can't imagine someone having the balls to do that on a NZ road.

Also, from what I've read (correct me if I'm wrong) cracking the 300km/h barrier on a bike is a big thing, as it's really difficult. Throw in the fact that it supposedly happened on a road being monitored by police, so clearly there would have been other traffic.

I dunno, something just doesn't add up for me..nobody could be that stupid, could they?

( Plus, the cop on the video looks like an utter douche bag. I think that needs to be taken into account. ;D )

Some looooong downhill straights near Twizel (and some other places) add a little tail-wind and you can get some pretty impressive speeds (so I've been told:whistle: )
And at times you could be the only vehicle on that piece of road.
Not saying 300+ DID happen - not saying it didn't either.

[crazyxr250rider]

yeah just on 1. 330kph on a road bike is bs. unless it was a turbo busa, but i highly doubt that. maybe it was scumdog on his harley :rofl:GSX-R1000 top speed 334kph...:whistle:

[crazyxr250rider]

at least thats what KR say anyway....

[scumdog]

You can apply that argument to anyone that's caught speeding!! or indeed anyone doing anything. Surely you're not advocating punishing people before they commit an offence?

:Police: :Police:"He looks dodgy, let's arrest him, he's bound to be planning something." :stoogie:

Well the media and to some extent the public appear to want us to do that (see latest North & South mag) and expect Police to have a 100% accurate and reliable crystal ball.

All very well for them with their 20/20 hindsight, makes you wonder how any of them have accidents of any sort themselves?;)

Re you scenario above, arrest him and you'll never know if he would have done something evil - sort of catch 22 eh?:weird:

[scumdog]

yeah just on 1. 330kph on a road bike is bs. unless it was a turbo busa, but i highly doubt that. maybe it was scumdog on his harley :rofl:

Nah mate, too law abiding these days, NOW a few years ago....:crazy: :msn-wink: :msn-wink:

[oldrider]

I believe this is all part of LTSA buildup to make out they are doing something constructive about the road toll and it's cause "speeding". (In their opinion)
They are an inept lot of pricks (IMO).I also think it's old footage reproduced for their benefit at the moment. They (the dickheads) have just had a big meeting on the road toll etc and need to throw a bit more BS around for the unsuspecting public to swallow.
Andy Knackerhead will have another bad haircut and come on telly soon to announce some stupid restriction that they will put on all motorcyclists to combat the dangerous speeding as shown in the clip.
The general public wont be affected so they will clap loudly and say here, here, great idea and vote for these ares-holes again. "PRATTS".
I have just been on a trip to Wellington (Petone) and back. the worst dangerous act I witnessed is failing to keep left. The next worst is drivers pulling out in front of motorcycles (Me) and nearly every one of them was a woman. I was really pissed off with that little carry on. The worst area for that was between Blenheim and Kaikoura, some of them were bloody astounding. They might miss a bike or even a light but a flashing headlight! Not on your Nelly, they are just ignorant bastards.
The rest of the trip was fantastic, loved every moment on my bike. Cheers John.

[El Dopa]

Yeah, well ya shoulda thought about that before ya decided to haul-ass with both hands cowboy!!

F'rkn loser - always SOMEBODY elses fault.


Like I said before George, if you are doing a real 129km/hr and that particular unit pings you, you are walking.

Which is the real worry. I've never driven or riden after drinking. Never have, never will. Going over 100 on the other hand....

Sure, every time I stick the needle over 100, I accept the responsibility that
I am breaking the law and if I am caught, I'll have to take my medicine. This is why I watch the position of the needle with a lot of care at that sort of speed.

HOWEVER, if someone wants to take my licence away, I'd like to know that I was actually doing what I was supposed to be doing - that I am bang to rights. 129 km/h is not exceptionally fast in a LOT of circumstances, and in a lot of circumstances there is no real safety difference - long deserted straights in the middle of nowhere with good visibility for example.

There is a hell of a difference between 33 points and $120, and walking for 28 days, plus screwed insurance.

If I'm going to end up walking, then I'd like to be reasonably sure that:

1) the equipment is reading me accurately.
2) the cop is using it properly.

If I think I'm doing 130, and that's what my acurately calibrated factory speedo is telling me, whipping my licence off me because a dodgy radar/laser said 140 is going to make me pretty pissed off.



I recall a video of ghost rider in which you have an in bike cam showing a speedo at about 298 clicks then comes ghosty flying past in a wheelie prob doing well over 350 ....explain that one to me...


He was on a highly modified 'Busa, NOT stock, and was claiming 499 HP. That is exceptionally high. Most modders will consider 400 HP or thereabouts impressive/noteworthy. An extra 99HP on top of that is getting pretty insane.


Hmm, I thought the tuned 'busas only reached that kind of speed on like, designated airfield strips and things. I just can't imagine someone having the balls to do that on a NZ road.

Also, from what I've read (correct me if I'm wrong) cracking the 300km/h barrier on a bike is a big thing, as it's really difficult.

See post #50

[Skyryder]

A drunk driver MAY have had poor judgement, somebody doing 140kph+ MUST have had SOME awareness of their speed.

"No reason why the driver can not proceed safely" - Yeah right! Imagine: "After we caught him doing 155kph we gave him his ticket and we said he could ride off home but he took off at 200kph and hit the mini-bus with 11 9 year olds in it, we're sorry but we never realise he would speed again after we caught him"

Headlines: "Police let crazed speed-maniac ride off and kill three young children on bible-class trip"

What a load of old crock SD. So now you are blaming the media. Well two can play at that game.

Headlines: "Police make's mother and children walk home: All killed by hit and run driver."

Later.

Headlines: "Father sues Police." It was revealed in court today that the police Officer (name supressed) had recently won his appeal aginst the PM's ministerial motorcade conviction.

The PM was asked if she would be contributing to the officers defence fund. The Prime Minister "No comment"

Come on SD we can all play out worst case scenios. The bottomline in this is that Joe Citizen is left stranded on the side of the road. There can be no justification in this where vehicle or driver impairment is not an issue.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Well, they must be bozos that you know - as far as I'M concerned there are none! - even the average Joe has more sense than to take that seriously.

Not when it comes from the mouth of a serving Police officer. You know as well as I that Police statements carry more additional weight than most. They usually convince TWELVE GOOD MEN AND TRUE and it is not until later that the flaws appear. However I digress.

I would have thought that they would have got there facts right befor issueing this codswallop to the media. But no. This little piece of news was staged managed so as to justify the Police position of the new instant loss of licence speed. Some here have more knowledge of instances of police misinformation than me but will go down as a classic.

Skyryder

[WINJA]

But YOU pay me to do it:motu:
THATS THE ATTITUDE THAT MAKES PEOPLE LIKE ME LAUGH AT COPS LIKE YOU WHEN SOMEONE CROWNS YOU WITH A WHEEL RIM, SURELY YOUVE NOTICED THE LACK OF PUBLIC SYMPATHY AND SUPPORT , I HEARD THE PIGS GET THE PUBLIC THEY DESERVE ,HEARD THAT B4 SCUMMY?

[madboy]

Has anyone thought about whether the law allowing instant loss of license is actually technically sound? I would have thought it would be an afront to our justice system, a system that is supposedly based on the premise of innocent until proven guilty in court. Yet some cop who may or may not have a small dick (incl the chicks) decides your fate on the side of the road without legal representation being consulted, without necessarily establishing an evidential basis more sound than their own opinion. Is this not fundamentally wrong?

Surely someone wealth and powerful will get pinged sooner or later and their $600/hr barrister can look into it for them. But since I can't afford a lawyer, I just stay the hell away from the pigs...

[ducatilover]

Has anyone thought about whether the law allowing instant loss of license is actually technically sound? I would have thought it would be an afront to our justice system, a system that is supposedly based on the premise of innocent until proven guilty in court. Yet some cop who may or may not have a small dick (incl the chicks) decides your fate on the side of the road without legal representation being consulted, without necessarily establishing an evidential basis more sound than their own opinion. Is this not fundamentally wrong?

Surely someone wealth and powerful will get pinged sooner or later and their $600/hr barrister can look into it for them. But since I can't afford a lawyer, I just stay the hell away from the pigs...
are you sayong this cos of my old man loosing his license today?:brick:

[Skyryder]

Has anyone thought about whether the law allowing instant loss of license is actually technically sound? I would have thought it would be an afront to our justice system, a system that is supposedly based on the premise of innocent until proven guilty in court. Yet some cop who may or may not have a small dick (incl the chicks) decides your fate on the side of the road without legal representation being consulted, without necessarily establishing an evidential basis more sound than their own opinion. Is this not fundamentally wrong?

Surely someone wealth and powerful will get pinged sooner or later and their $600/hr barrister can look into it for them. But since I can't afford a lawyer, I just stay the hell away from the pigs...

That's what I thought too. But MARTY posted some piece of legilstion somewhere about the serving of offence notices and that if you refuse to take it is deemed served by the officer telling you of the offence and the consquences of ignoring the offence notice. Something to that effect. Search his posts.

This bullshit would never happen in the States. We allow this to happen because ultimaty we trust the system to act in our interests. This trust is rapidly dissapearing with me.

Skyryder

[madboy]

Well if your old man can afford the lawyer... It's certainly the first thing I'll be talking to my lawyer about if I ever get busted for this. NZ is supposedly a society where laws are enforced by a judiciary following due process. There is no due process in some tax collector deciding you're not riding for 28 days with no more evidence required at that point than their word. It is up to you and your expensive lawyer to prove that they didn't do their job properly. This is against the fundamentals of innocent until proven guilty.

If you are fined, you can challenge that and it is not until the challenge has been dealt with in court that the punishments (if any) become enforceable. You don't have to cough up folding stuff on the side of the road (but you might as well swipe your card through their crack).

Working in insurance, I have had occasion to be involved in litigated cases. The evidential information required to prove fraud is HUGE. The burden of proof lies heavily on the prosecuting party (usually the insurer). Just knowing that someone did something doesn't mean a thing... you have to dot your i's, cross your t's, prove that you did everything right and they were wrong. A cop doesn't need to whip out the goods on the side of the road to prove that you've been a naughty boy. Just their word is sufficient. Cops don't even need to spell to take your license off you for 28 days. And if it gets overturned later in court, you can't give someone 28 days extra license can you?

Not sure if I personally would follow it through with the associated cost and that. I mean, it's not like I'm gonna stop driving/riding or anything. But it would be damn inconvenient if I happened to be travelling for work within that period. It's one thing to drive/ride your own car/bike when you're disq, but I'd be reluctant to lie to a rental company or something.

[scumdog]

THATS THE ATTITUDE THAT MAKES PEOPLE LIKE ME LAUGH AT COPS LIKE YOU WHEN SOMEONE CROWNS YOU WITH A WHEEL RIM, SURELY YOUVE NOTICED THE LACK OF PUBLIC SYMPATHY AND SUPPORT , I HEARD THE PIGS GET THE PUBLIC THEY DESERVE ,HEARD THAT B4 SCUMMY?


I only take notice of people that count...and I didn't take on the job for 'public sympathy' either matey..

[scumdog]

What a load of old crock SD. So now you are blaming the media. Well two can play at that game.

Headlines: "Police make's mother and children walk home: All killed by hit and run driver."

Later.

Headlines: "Father sues Police." [/U]

Skyryder

Yeah, the media wins either way sunshine - they play whatever shite sells their rag and/or TV time, sometimes they include facts and truth..:spudwhat:

And the dozey mother should have been watching her speed anyway!:whistle:

[handy_dog]

[Q[LIST=1]
UOTE=madboy]

Working in insurance, I have had occasion to be involved in litigated cases. The evidential information required to prove fraud is HUGE. The burden of proof lies heavily on the prosecuting party (usually the insurer). Just knowing that someone did something doesn't mean a thing... you have to dot your i's, cross your t's, prove that you did everything right and they were wrong. A cop doesn't need to whip out the goods on the side of the road to prove that you've been a naughty boy. Just their word is sufficient. Cops don't even need to spell to take your license off you for 28 days. And if it gets overturned later in court, you can't give someone 28 days extra license can you?



don't be a wanker. Seems to me you are all tared with the same brush.
Speed cops / insurance Compamies = Profesional Toss Potts

[Beemer]

The first (up-country) edition of the Saturday 20 January DominionPost carries a feature article by David McLoughlin that quotes a South Canterbury Policeman as saying the fastest recorded speed he was aware of was for a motorcycle travelling at 350kmh. This statement is incorrect and has been corrected for subsequent editions of the paper as 250kmh.

However I suspect there will be a few up-country readers who will be misinformed by this.

Yep, saw that and thought "bullshit!" We weren't sure if it was an editing mistake (and we wouldn't cast asparagus on those poor subs!) or the cops had decided to tell even bigger porkies. Shame us country cousins get the first draft of the paper, eh!

[Skyryder]

Yeah, the media wins either way sunshine - they play whatever shite sells their rag and/or TV time, sometimes they include facts and truth..:spudwhat:

And the dozey mother should have been watching her speed anyway!:whistle:

You were the one who first bought the media in this not me. Now you slag them when you are unable to justify your comments. If I remember correctly your comments on them would apply to that Police Officer who spoke on the 330 kpm bike.

As for the dozey mother comment.

Headlines. Motorcade Officer Found Guily. In a rare comment the Jury forman said that jury members had no doubt about the officers guilt after the court had heard his speed detecting device had been deliberately recalibrated in order for the defendant to maintain his contact quota's.


We can all play silly buggers with this SD. But I'm happy to let you win this one.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

You were the one who first bought the media in this not me. Now you slag them when you are unable to justify your comments. If I remember correctly your comments on them would apply to that Police Officer who spoke on the 330 kpm bike.


Skyryder


I'm not sure which comments you mean but as a rule the media 'hunt with the hounds & run with the hare' and put any slant on any subject to suit their needs. (read: sell air-time and/or newspaper).

Cheers

[Skyryder]

Headlines: "Police let crazed speed-maniac ride off and kill three young children on bible-class trip"

Your post SD this thread #177.

"Cheers"

Skyryder

[Ixion]

..

Headlines. Motorcade Officer Found Guily. In a rare comment the Jury forman said that jury members had no doubt about the officers guilt after the court had heard his speed detecting device had been deliberately recalibrated in order for the defendant to maintain his contact quota's.
..

WTF ? I missed that one. Where was that from. So a cop got caught winding up his radar, is that what it's saying? I always suspected that went on, but never knew someone had actually been caught. And if one guy is doing it, you cna bet your bottom dollar he's not the only one (no offence to our resident plod, who I'm sure wouldn't - but even if one in 20 cops does, that's hundreds of shonky radars out there)

[Skyryder]

WTF ? I missed that one. Where was that from. So a cop got caught winding up his radar, is that what it's saying? I always suspected that went on, but never knew someone had actually been caught. And if one guy is doing it, you cna bet your bottom dollar he's not the only one (no offence to our resident plod, who I'm sure wouldn't - but even if one in 20 cops does, that's hundreds of shonky radars out there)

Hey Scumdog

I'll let you explain. This is just getting too complicated for a simple plebian such as myself. :brick:

Skyryder

[Ixion]

Ahh. I think I missed the pisstake. Damn, that's *another* good conspiracy gone to waste.

[madboy]

don't be a wanker. Seems to me you are all tared with the same brush.
Speed cops / insurance Compamies = Profesional Toss PottsHuh? You've lost me now. WTF are you on about? I'm saying the insurer has to PROVE something actually happened, but the cops don't have to prove anything on the side of the road. How does that make us tared with the same brush?

[scumdog]

What a load of old crock SD. So now you are blaming the media. Well two can play at that game.

Headlines: "Police make's mother and children walk home: All killed by hit and run driver."

Later.


Come on SD we can all play out worst case scenios. [/U]

Skyryder

See sunhuntins post #24 on the Bleeding Heart Liberals thread...

[Lou Girardin]

GSX-R1000 top speed 334kph...:whistle:

How deep was the mine shaft?

[Jamezo]

HAY GUYS WHAT IS GOING ON IN HERE???

I AM NEW AT THIS INTERNETS< WHAT IS THIS ABOUT EDITING QUOTINGS AND PARMESAN FETISHES???///

THIS IS THE INTERNATIONAL CHEESE FETISH BULLETIN RIGHT?

GUYZZ???

It's ok poppet.

[Lou Girardin]

Has anyone thought about whether the law allowing instant loss of license is actually technically sound? I would have thought it would be an afront to our justice system, a system that is supposedly based on the premise of innocent until proven guilty in court. Yet some cop who may or may not have a small dick (incl the chicks) decides your fate on the side of the road without legal representation being consulted, without necessarily establishing an evidential basis more sound than their own opinion. Is this not fundamentally wrong?
..

It's funny how there's a total silence when these affronts to our basic rights are proposed, then when it's too late people get up in arms.
Roadside penalty's have been a fact for years now.
The next version being proposed in the UK, is that Prosecutors and the Police will decide cases and fix penalties. No court hearing as such.

[scumdog]

The next version being proposed in the UK, is that Prosecutors and the Police will decide cases and fix penalties. No court hearing as such.

Sort of like tickets??:motu:

[spudchucka]

Why be such a rude cunt about it?. More people reading this forum than just you. Maybe the information was for them too.

Anyway you dont know fuck all about how radar works, i can tell by these comments...


Ground and target speed are established simultaneously.
Rude cunt?

I had some respect for you up untill this post.

[WINJA]

Rude cunt?

I had some respect for you up untill this post.
AT LEAST HE'S GOT A BIKE AND ISNT JUST :cry: :cry: :violin: :violin: :violin: :whocares: BLAH BLAH BLAH

[Skyryder]

See sunhuntins post #24 on the Bleeding Heart Liberals thread...

big headlines the next day "POLICE TRIED TO KILL MY SON" son being the passenger of the car that was being pursued by a marked cop car.
__________________


Just not too sure what your point is. Not having read the article but I am making an asumption that the headlines are a quote from the father. Are you saying that the paper should not have quoted the father. If this is the case then I can think of any number of quotes that should not have been reported simply on the basis that they are not true. The last election would be a fair example.

It may have excaped your notice that the media report what they hear. Editorials on the other hand report the papers opinion, and there is considerable difference. There are, it is true, some papers and media that do a better job than others but if we are going to down the scenioro that you seem to suggest then perhaps you could make a TV presentation and just for record correct the lie that you collegue made on TV 3 about the bike doing 330kph. Now Scumdog it's your move.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

See sunhuntins post #24 on the Bleeding Heart Liberals thread...

big headlines the next day "POLICE TRIED TO KILL MY SON" son being the passenger of the car that was being pursued by a marked cop car.
__________________


Just not too sure what your point is. Not having read the article but I am making an asumption that the headlines are a quote from the father. Are you saying that the paper should not have quoted the father. If this is the case then I can think of any number of quotes that should not have been reported simply on the basis that they are not true. The last election would be a fair example.

It may have excaped your notice that the media report what they hear. Editorials on the other hand report the papers opinion, and there is considerable difference. There are, it is true, some papers and media that do a better job than others but if we are going to down the scenioro that you seem to suggest then perhaps you could make a TV presentation and just for recorord correct the lie that you collegue made of TV 3 about the bike doing 330kph. Now Scumdog it's your move.

Skyrder

[cowpoos]

u posted twice :mega:

[ducatilover]

u own my bike

[cowpoos]

u own my bike

nope texmo owns your bike.... :spudwave:

[Skyryder]

u posted twice :mega:

Was just before the site went down.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

big headlines the next day "POLICE TRIED TO KILL MY SON" son being the passenger of the car that was being pursued by a marked cop car.
__________________


Just not too sure what your point is. Not having read the article but I am making an asumption that the headlines are a quote from the father. Are you saying that the paper should not have quoted the father. If this is the case then I can think of any number of quotes that should not have been reported simply on the basis that they are not true. The last election would be a fair example.

It may have excaped your notice that the media report what they hear. Editorials on the other hand report the papers opinion, and there is considerable difference. There are, it is true, some papers and media that do a better job than others but if we are going to down the scenioro that you seem to suggest then perhaps you could make a TV presentation and just for record correct the lie that you collegue made on TV 3 about the bike doing 330kph. Now Scumdog it's your move.

Skyryder

It was yet another example of how the media blow-up and sensationalise 'news' - and I wonder where they 'hear' that stuff from?
Plus because they 'hear' it doen't make it true, accurate or fact - regardless who they heard it from..
Does any reporter EVER do research of information the have reveived to see if it's true or is it a case of "Shit, that sounds juicy, I'll run it the way I got it, in fact I'll embelish it a bit for impact, research might quash the story so best stay away from fact-finding"

BTW Does anybody know verbatim the words used by the cop on the TV3 presentation re 330kph bike?

[Lou Girardin]

Headlines. Motorcade Officer Found Guily. In a rare comment the Jury forman said that jury members had no doubt about the officers guilt after the court had heard his speed detecting device had been deliberately recalibrated in order for the defendant to maintain his contact quota's.


You can't do it without a lab and specialised technical knowledge. It's easier to lie.
Like the tosser that missed the two loonies overtaking on blind corners near Whangarei and decided our boarder would do instead. He said he checked her at 142 km/h. Both she and her passenger swore that the speedo was at 105. She had seen the cop ahead and made a comment to her passenger about their speed.They were so assertive that he backed down.
But what if she'd said,' " I'm sorry Officer I didn't think I was going that fast". Would he have booked her, possibly made them walk?

[Lou Girardin]

Sort of like tickets??:motu:

No Scummy, general offences that now warrant a hearing. There was no talk of a right of appeal. But I'd be surprised if they go that far.

[spudchucka]

Why be such a rude cunt about it?. More people reading this forum than just you. Maybe the information was for them too.

Anyway you dont know fuck all about how radar works, i can tell by these comments...


Ground and target speed are established simultaneously.
Now that I've had time to think about this I'll reply doing my utmost not to be a rude cunt about it.

You are of course correct, I know fuck all about how radar works. Frankly I'm not interested in knowing anymore than I absolutely have to. I turn it on, I use it, if it doesn't work properly I turn it off. I don't care whether it is puddles on the road, rain drops in the air or a hex by winja that causes it to not work properly during heavy rain. My only concern is that it is working correctly when I want to use it. Beyond that I don't care.

However, target speed can't be established without first establishing patrol ground speed. The speed detection device can't calculate the dopler effect and display a target speed without knowing its own speed first.

Certainly the ground and target speeds are displayed simultaneously once established but the point I was making was that nothing wil be displayed on the readout if the ground speed can't be established for some reason; or it may display an error on the readout.

But who cares what I say about it? I'm just a rude cunt that knows fuck all about how radar works.

[spudchucka]

Now maybe I'm wrong, but do you think there's anything that could be drawn from these two statements that just MIGHT explain what's going on here?
When the radar is stacking the ground and target speeds it only displays in the patrol ground speed window on the readout. If it was to be believed the only person getting a ticket would be the cop because the readout is saying they are doing 198kph. Nothing is displayed in the target window when the radar is experiencing that particular fault.

[scumdog]

When the radar is stacking the ground and target speeds it only displays in the patrol ground speed window on the readout. If it was to be believed the only person getting a ticket would be the cop because the readout is saying they are doing 198kph. Nothing is displayed in the target window when the radar is experiencing that particular fault.

Only seems to happen when both cars are doing about the same speed - normally quite low ones at that.

There is a button to press that clears that error and gives the two vehicles speeds again.

Now waiting for somebody to spout "shit, that's what must have happened when I got done for XXX speed!":wait:

[spudchucka]

I normally just run the internal calibration test again and it seems to work fine again after that.

[Lou Girardin]

I normally just run the internal calibration test again and it seems to work fine again after that.

All this does not give me confidence, too many seems to and normally's.

[scumdog]

All this does not give me confidence, too many seems to and normally's.

I know what you mean - sort of words I get from motorists when I pull them up - those words and a few 'I was just...' thrown in.:rolleyes: :laugh: :rofl: :whistle:


Relax Lou, I'm confident that if I stop you for speeding you'll get a ticket...:rofl: :motu: :pinch:

[Slingshot]

I think now is a good oppurtunity to thank our boys in blue for the contribution they make to these forums.

Where else could you ask a police officer about speed enforcement and it's technology and get honest, from the coal-face replies.

I think we're bloody lucky!!!

[Lou Girardin]

I know what you mean - sort of words I get from motorists when I pull them up - those words and a few 'I was just...' thrown in.:rolleyes: :laugh: :rofl: :whistle:
Relax Lou, I'm confident that if I stop you for speeding you'll get a ticket...:rofl: :motu: :pinch:

If I'm in your patch I'll be two-up and the most law-abiding little biker you've ever seen.
I'm not into terrifying my wife. My kidneys couldn't stand it.

[spudchucka]

All this does not give me confidence, too many seems to and normally's.
No satisfying you is there? Change your handle back to grumpy old biker, you don't seem too happy to me.

Opps, I used that "seem too" phrase again, I guess that normally pisses you off.

[judgeshock]

Well said. :laugh:

[Lou Girardin]

I'm not pissed off Spudly, I'm in a state of zen-like calm.:mellow:

[Skyryder]

It was yet another example of how the media blow-up and sensationalise 'news' - and I wonder where they 'hear' that stuff from?
Plus because they 'hear' it doen't make it true, accurate or fact - regardless who they heard it from..
Does any reporter EVER do research of information the have reveived to see if it's true or is it a case of "Shit, that sounds juicy, I'll run it the way I got it, in fact I'll embelish it a bit for impact, research might quash the story so best stay away from fact-finding"

BTW Does anybody know verbatim the words used by the cop on the TV3 presentation re 330kph bike?

I have no truck with you on this with the exception of facts. Surprsiinlgy most storys are factual. It's the ones that arn't that make the news. They are a buisness and they sell the news to make a profit. It is no differnt than the embellishment of any other product. The point I am making is that if the father actually said that quote to a journo his editor would see that quote and run a headline from it. That does not make the quote untrue, The headline is to grab your attention just like the polish or the chrome on a bike. Read the story. Most don't read the story.........just the headlines or the polish and chrome on a bike.

Skyryder

PS I'd like to know the verbatim words too.

[madboy]

I never saw the 3 news item. The One News item is posted earlier in this thread, and from memory (a few days since I watched it) the cop said something like "the highest speed I've heard of personally in Central Otago is 330k."

And they talked about a NUTTER on a busa doing 142k!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!

[Jantar]

I think now is a good oppurtunity to thank our boys in blue for the contribution they make to these forums.

Where else could you ask a police officer about speed enforcement and it's technology and get honest, from the coal-face replies.

I think we're bloody lucky!!!

Hear hear. I may not always agree with everything they say, but I always appreciate a straight forward answer. :yeah: :Police:

[scumdog]

I never saw the 3 news item. The One News item is posted earlier in this thread, and from memory (a few days since I watched it) the cop said something like "the highest speed I've heard of personally in Central Otago is 330k."

And they talked about a NUTTER on a busa doing 142k!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!


Maybe he 'heard' it from a KBer - there's enough bull-shit flying around here that's for sure.

[Skyryder]

Maybe he 'heard' it from a KBer - there's enough bull-shit flying around here that's for sure.

Excuses excuses. Sorry Scumdog. If the police are going to make a statement through the media the should get it right. Here you were just a few threads ago slagging the media for inaccuracies now its our fault. :calm: :calm:

O'k I know it was a 'tounge in cheek' comment. Just could not resist. :mellow:

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

I smell a rat. A big pungently fermenting rodent. The road safety nazis want the open road speed limit reduced to 90kmh. They don't like bikes much either. This story plus all of the recent bullshit about road tolls, during the news "silly season", has set my conspiracy antennae all a quiver.

And the state broadcaster is complicit. This is not a news story. There is no evidence, only some cop doing a piece to camera where he says he heard once that some bike was clocked at 330kmh. That may be exactly what he heard. So?

Front number plates for bikes, new boy racers laws and a 90kmh open road speed limit by Christmas.

I watched the new item on this site. The cop claims that he 'personly' knows of a bike doing 330k's. Not too sure if his manner of speaking is 'naturaly hesitant' but if not, then it sounded like he could be lying.

Lying

[scumdog]

I watched the new item on this site. The cop claims that he 'personly' knows of a bike doing 330k's. Not too sure if his manner of speaking is 'naturaly hesitant' but if not, then it sounded like he could be lying.

Lying

I 'personly' know of cars that have done more than 330kph - and I'm not lying.

When and what part of what he said was a 'lie'???

[spudchucka]

I never saw the 3 news item. The One News item is posted earlier in this thread, and from memory (a few days since I watched it) the cop said something like "the highest speed I've heard of personally in Central Otago is 330k."

And they talked about a NUTTER on a busa doing 142k!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!
Right so it was hear say, not admissable as evidence I'm afraid folks. Bit differen't if he said "the highest speed I have recorded is 330kph"

[Skyryder]

I 'personly' know of cars that have done more than 330kph - and I'm not lying.

When and what part of what he said was a 'lie'???

Read my post properly SD I did not make a statement that he lied I alluded to the possibilty of that. Big fucking difference. Hope that you can read your detctor more accuratly than reading my posts.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Right so it was hear say, not admissable as evidence I'm afraid folks. Bit differen't if he said "the highest speed I have recorded is 330kph"

I watched the video. This is verbaitm from TV One. In part....................."the highest speed that I know personally is 330 kph ………on a motorbike." Now there are a few officers here so anyone know if this guy was prosecuted. If no evidence is forthcoming the statement could........and I repeat could be a lie.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

Read my post properly SD I did not make a statement that he lied I alluded to the possibilty of that. Big fucking difference. Hope that you can read your detctor more accuratly than reading my posts.

Skyryder

Notice how lie was thus: 'lie' in my post - generally that indicates the word is being used in a loose way, i.e. a general indication of its use and sense, sort of 'alluding' I suppose you could say?
Also notice I did NOT say YOU were lying? or accuse you saying anybody else was lying?

AND yes, I do read my detector more accurately than you spell it!!! heh heh heh!!

Don't get snarky sunshine - it doesn't become you!

[spudchucka]

I watched the video. This is verbaitm from TV One. In part....................."the highest speed that I know personally is 330 kph ………on a motorbike." Now there are a few officers here so anyone know if this guy was prosecuted. If no evidence is forthcoming the statement could........and I repeat could be a lie.

Skyryder
Know personally, like he did it himself or he heard from a mate who said his mate did it. Unless he has direct involvement in the event it is just hear say and a careless statement made to a media hungry for any bit of juicy news.

[scumdog]

I watched the video. This is verbaitm from TV One. In part....................."the highest speed that I know personally is 330 kph ………on a motorbike." Now there are a few officers here so anyone know if this guy was prosecuted. If no evidence is forthcoming the statement could........and I repeat could be a lie.

Skyryder

Or he could have watched it at the Poolburn flying 1/4 mile - and be speaking 'tongue-in-cheek?? :whistle:

[Pixie]

Know personally, like he did it himself or he heard from a mate who said his mate did it. Unless he has direct involvement in the event it is just hear say and a careless statement made to a media hungry for any bit of juicy news.
Or "know" in the biblical sense?

[madboy]

Well I've got this mate who had this roofie-induced one night stand with a chick who knows of this dude who's ex-wife's brother works with the sister of a guy who's cousin has this GN125 that got a full fairing kit added from the factory by the leading tuning house in China, 900hp nitrous kit, bored out to a 1400cc inline-4 with twin turbos. F***er does 500km/h in first gear. Don't believe me? I've got the speed camera photo to prove it. Was clocked on the Wellington mway at 8am last Wednesday. 517km/h! He'd just hooked 2nd, front wheel in the air...

Edit: and in the background of the photo you can see him smoking the pig bike at the same time.

[ducatilover]

Well I've got this mate who had this roofie-induced one night stand with a chick who knows of this dude who's ex-wife's brother works with the sister of a guy who's cousin has this GN125 that got a full fairing kit added from the factory by the leading tuning house in China, 900hp nitrous kit, bored out to a 1400cc inline-4 with twin turbos. F***er does 500km/h in first gear. Don't believe me? I've got the speed camera photo to prove it. Was clocked on the Wellington mway at 8am last Wednesday. 517km/h! He'd just hooked 2nd, front wheel in the air...

Edit: and in the background of the photo you can see him smoking the pig bike at the same time.
sorry to say i sold my gn a while ago<_< :spudwave: