what Do You want

[darren]

after reading some of these emails it is interesting to see
peoples views on where and what they want out of club 250.

Some people are happy some are not
we cant keep everyone happy this is true
but, please give me your thoughts on what you would like to see

do you want just a ride every 2 weeks
do you want a ride once a month
do you want more of a socia atmosphere where
we go for a ride and then out somwhere
like tea, bowling, movies

give me your thoughts people
where would you like to go for a ride? :whistle:
what do you want to do

Darren

[Wenier]

i think the main part is to have a ride where u turn up all gased up at the meeting point go to the location your going to and then stop for 30-60mins for talking and food. then head back to where you can meet up and do something or go home depending on the amount of time u have that day. hope that helps :)

[darren]

the problem is if we did this the slower riders
would just catch up and the faster riders would be ready to head off
again.

its fine for you guys that want to go at speeds of up to 130-140K
but what about the slower riders?

remember this is what the club was about
people just to get out and ride at there own pace,
250s starters and bigger bikes as well.

does this mean that anyone who does not like riding at 110K plus
should not come?

Darren

[darren]

in fact

what would happen if we capp the speed at 110K's
would any of you turn up

interesting thought, I personally would prefere a capp on speed

darren

[riffer]

interesting thought, I personally would prefere a capp on speed
Know where you're coming from there darren ... I was thinking I should stay away from some of these KB rides now I'm on 90 demerits.

If you're going for a nice slow-ish cruse I may join you guys

[james]

thats the problem dude there are to many ideas of slowish cruise,is it 70ks
100ks,140ks

[jrandom]

thats the problem dude there are to many ideas of slowish cruise,is it 70ks
100ks,140ks

It's easy. If you want a ride that'll keep everyone happy just specify that it'll stay within 10kph of the posted limits. The rocket pilots will stay away and nobody on small bikes will feel threatened.

Me, I just get really frustrated on the FXR around other bikes, it keeps up to 120-ish but acceleration after that is a matter of keeping my head down and hoping the road stays flat.

[Wenier]

It is easier to go at ur own pace, you will end up wit seperate groups of different level riders but you all meet up at a certain place and leave at a certain time say 30 or more mins after the last people have got there. In this time the fastest ppl who get there first can do wut eva, (say ur at top of the takas, the fast guys can go down and up one side again if they want or socialise for alot longer).

[Ms Piggy]

Hey Darren,
Even though I am currently out of action (boo hoo!) my understanding was that the idea that you & Stu initially came up with was for the 250 club to be aimed at newer riders. Am I wrong? I thought the point of it was so that we could go out riding with others who were more or less at our pace and not feel pressured to ride fast or feel bad about being a bit slower.

Yeah I know everyone doesn't want to cruise, but putting a time restrictions on when we are supposed to be somewhere, how long we should stay and restricting stops could lead to unnecessary pressure. I think capping the speed could be a good idea, my little beast wouldn't go faster much than 120 anyway and to be honest at this stage I wouldn't want to.

I think it would cause slower riders (like me) to feel stink about holding others up and it could even create a situation where riders feel pressured to ride faster than they should be ie. outside their capabilities and we all know that, that is dangerous for eveyone.

Like you say, you can't please all the people all the time, so I reckon you should go with your original idea and there will be some that don't like it but that's cool, they'll find others to ride with :niceone:

[Wenier]

Hey Darren,
Even though I am currently out of action (boo hoo!) my understanding was that the idea that you & Stu initially came up with was for the 250 club to be aimed at newer riders. Am I wrong? I thought the point of it was so that we could go out riding with others who were more or less at our pace and not feel pressured to ride fast or feel bad about being a bit slower.

Yeah I know everyone doesn't want to cruise, but putting a time restrictions on when we are supposed to be somewhere, how long we should stay and restricting stops could lead to unnecessary pressure. I think capping the speed could be a good idea, my little beast wouldn't go faster much than 120 anyway and to be honest at this stage I wouldn't want to.

I think it would cause slower riders (like me) to feel stink about holding others up and it could even create a situation where riders feel pressured to ride faster than they should be ie. outside their capabilities and we all know that, that is dangerous for eveyone.

Like you say, you can't please all the people all the time, so I reckon you should go with your original idea and there will be some that don't like it but that's cool, they'll find others to ride with :niceone:

if u see i have said that the faster ones will have to occupy themselves because i didnt say they all get there certain time it was all leave at a certain time.

[darren]

nothing has changed nor will it!

the idea is simple and straight forward everyone is welcome and yes it is for 250's learners and all. We stop allot for a simple reason the second person from the front stops and
waites till the end rider rides through, this is done for safety reasons we want know one falling off, or left behind.

there is no pressure to ride fast- this will never change!

for eg I was travelling at a average of 90k's and some times 70ks
if faster bikes want to go for it than so be it.

a point to remember is what James said also I saw 250 riders riding over 130k's not just the big bikes so lets not ever think that the bigger bikes are stopping us in any way.
everyones idea of cruising is different and yes a k capp would not work.

the first issue here is safety then fun!

keep up the input

darren

[Ms Piggy]

if u see i have said that the faster ones will have to occupy themselves because i didnt say they all get there certain time it was all leave at a certain time.

Ahhhhhhhhhh...apologies for misunderstanding this.

However wouldn't "leave at a certain time" still cause there to be a time restriction and more so on slower riders? That's if you are meaning leave from the meet up point rather than the departure point..errrr, does that make sense?!

I dunno...as long as we all have good fun riding I guess that's the main thang :cool:

[Wenier]

ah u all meet at the next point then a set time from when the last person arrives u all leave again is wut i was saying. so if ppl turn up at this point at 10 and the last person arrives at 10.30 and the time to be spent is 30mins u all leave at 11

[darren]

all good points people,

and I agree with the part about staying at a point until
the last rider comes in and then make it say 30min or 45min
stop and then we head off again.

I will bring this up with Stu and Richard from TSS.

any other remarks?

Darren :bash:

[james]

yeah everyone have a cool day.

[James Deuce]

It's a good idea to make the last rider a "sweep". Someone relatively experienced with a cell-phone, first aid kit, and tools to help manage any messes that may happen along the way. It means a potentially boring ride for someone, but could prove to be a life saver. You could rotate the duty around.

Before anyone makes any comments, shit happens and its better to plan for it than ignore the fact it ever happens.

[aff-man]

Right on brotha :rockon: :rockon:

[Jay widda 150]

ok look and pay attention,

as i understand this group is so that people can go for a ride with people who share similar interests ie enjoy motorcycling. now you guys are fucking darren off by going... waa waa we want to go racing along the streets. waa waa i want to do 50kph along state highway 1. for fucks sake if you guys cant even stay in a group to enjoy your ride you are clearly not interested in riding in a group. the whole point of this is if you are less confident you can save yourself looking like a dick and riding around in circles and join other guys in a ride and if you are wanting to race i hear there are some tracks up aucks to hoon on. sorry to add yet another opinion but seriously this is out of hand.

comments please.

[Firefight]

[QUOTE=Jim2]It's a good idea to make the last rider a "sweep". Someone relatively experienced with a cell-phone, first aid kit, and tools to help manage any messes that may happen along the way. It means a potentially boring ride for someone, but could prove to be a life saver. You could rotate the duty around.

Before anyone makes any comments, shit happens and its better to plan for it than ignore the fact it ever happens.[/QUOTE


Yep thats a good idea Jim, the group I ride with always have a substantial first aid kit, tools and water, however we normally ride at our own comfort levels(give or take a few kays)but wait for others at points along the way, and if need be double back to check.

Firefight :crazy:

[Ms Piggy]

now you guys are fucking darren off by ...

...sorry to add yet another opinion but seriously this is out of hand.

comments please.

Ummmmm...I thought the whole idea was to give Darren some ideas of what we want and to banter it about a bit.

Darren - did you guys not end up having a discussion a few weeks back? Just wondering why this is still an issue? Btw - I appreciate you efforts even though I haven't been along yet :yes:

Basically (once I can again!) I'd just like to go out riding with others who like ridng! :niceone: I really don't mind if people go faster than me...well most will anyway. And as far as having meeting points goes, yup that's a good idea and as far as capping the speed goes...well, ok, maybe a not so good idea.

:whocares: As long as we're all having fun and if ya not don't come.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeasy!

[Wenier]

ok look and pay attention,

as i understand this group is so that people can go for a ride with people who share similar interests ie enjoy motorcycling. now you guys are fucking darren off by going... waa waa we want to go racing along the streets. waa waa i want to do 50kph along state highway 1. for fucks sake if you guys cant even stay in a group to enjoy your ride you are clearly not interested in riding in a group. the whole point of this is if you are less confident you can save yourself looking like a dick and riding around in circles and join other guys in a ride and if you are wanting to race i hear there are some tracks up aucks to hoon on. sorry to add yet another opinion but seriously this is out of hand.

comments please.

It is not possible to stay it groups thats why it will jus b easier if ya start and groups will form and then meet at certain locations like i have been saying all along!

[mangell6]

Just a thought

Because of the successful prosecution of an "organiser" of an event that was held in Christchurch a number of "bike clubs" have started reading out a list of 'protocols' and 'responsibilities' that apply to everyone who takes part in their rides BEFORE they start riding off.

Now I am NOT suggesting that this occurs, but what I am saying that is that all riders should ride at a pace they are currently comfortable with. Over time your speed will increases and you end up knowing that one more ticket and I don't ride for three months.

Basic rules that I and a number of groups that I ride with have are simple and most are done without thinking about them. Before leaving agree on a meeting place where you will stop and chat, agree where the next stop will be to all regroup before continuing on. The 'tailend person' cleans up and everyone takes turns, even the "fastest" riders - its called team work and group togetherness (shit I could be a socialworker or a politician).

And always remember that the journey is the most important bit as the end of the journey is where you stop and chat and go over the trip.

Travelling 'at speed' can still be done within te rules above and the "me" attitude doesn't work in a group situation.

Just my thoughts.

Mike

[Ms Piggy]

Hey Darren,
Ummm...has there been any decisions made as to what's ahppening with the 250 Club? Are we gonna meet up to have a discussion?

Cheers Cathy :apint: