Powers of the Director

[Skyryder]

just been looking at the new clauses in the Land Transport Act.


Take a look at this.

2.9 Functions and powers of the Director

2.9(1) Clause 9.2 of the principal Rule is amended by revoking subclause (1), and substituting the following subclause:

"The Director may approve variable, minimum and 90 km/h speed limits and change, or modify the application of, permanent, holiday, variable and minimum speed limits."


Not hard to read the reasoning behind this. In one of my earlier posts I said that the Government is being governed by those that the Government is paid to govern. Here's the proof.


This is now law guys. So the effect of this is...........if as a result the Government recieves a lower than calculated revinue from speeding fines the director can change, or modify the application of, permanent, holiday, variable and minimum speed limits." so as to ensure and maintain the status quo of accounts. Of course this will never be the reason. No doubt Andy and his cronies will come up with some bureaucratic bullshit to justify the "lowering of speed limits," and therefore ensuring the continuation ot this 'road tax.'

Anyone want to start a book on this? What odds will you give me.


Skyryder

[Colapop]

That's pretty good research and all. Thank you for bringing that to our attention (excuse me I'm not trying to be sarcastic)

Ummm do you read legislation ... for fun??

[Skyryder]

That's pretty good research and all. Thank you for bringing that to our attention (excuse me I'm not trying to be sarcastic)

Ummm do you read legislation ... for fun??

Nope. Only when I'm pissed off about something and I'm pissed off about this instant loss of licence thing. This shit has been out and about for some time but like most kiwis I'd never heard about it untill or understood the implications untill it is too late. I am at present trying to find anything in the Human Rights Act that may have some bearing. So if anyone wants to help..............much aprecaited. It would need to be something where the restriction of travel is garueeted under the Act. Any helpers here? We all need a "ROADSIDE DEFENCE."

Incedently your licence is the property of the Director.

I hold the view that to be forced to surrender your current licence, by those who have his authority to do so then they must do so within the bounds of other legislation. Hence my interest in the Human Rights Act and the Freedom of travel. The interesting thing here is that, is your loss of transport 'loss of freedom" to travel when you can walk? Distance might have something to say on this. For argument if the loss of licence was say a short distance to your place of dwelling or your intended destination then clearly the freedom of travel may not be seen to be impinged, but if for arguemnts sake you were on tour and some distance from safety then I would argue that yes there has been a loss of freedom to Travel. This is what I'm looking for. A Roadside Defence. I'm not getting caught unprepared the second time.



Skyryder

[number33]

Who the fuck is "The director" ?? And what's the bastards address?

[Bonez]

Once upon a time I had a life time drivers licence.............................

[Fatjim]

i got 2 points to make here.

firstly, having a drivers license and being allowed on NZ roads should be seen as a priviledge, not a right. If your going to endanger other people, piss off.

Secondly, this revenue gathering is bullshit. you really think Mizzzzzz Clark really cars about this when she can balance the books in plenty of other ways? Get this into your heads, the gummint has commited to reducing the road toll to below 300 a year by 2010. They are going to miss this because they have failed to change drivers habits. they are now in panic mode and will do anything to reach this no. Now the only offences that are "easily" policed are speeding and drunk driving, that is why it concentrated on. It is near impossible to police such things as keeping left, pulling over for faster traffic, etc.

In additon, the accident stats are a self fullfilling prophecy. It's PC to blame speed when in fact its poor driving in other ways because the gummint is concentrating on speed. And because the stats now point to speed as a major cause of accidents then the gummint is compelled to target speed.


Unfortunately, the way to reduce the road toll is long term and expensive. So the gummint will fail, but not before throwing everything at it, so they can say they tried everything.

What I think will reduce the road toll (warning, not PC)

1. Increase the minimum age to 25. Many drivers are simply not mature enough untill then. i would rather the roads are safe than pander to the desires of those under 25 to drive.
2. Train drivers to drive safely & consideratly. How many of us now the road code even though we have lisences? how many consider other drivers before themselves? How many drive like they are invisable?
3. build roads that are safe to start with, not dangerous roads, and then fix them (eg the Kaitoke foothills, which will need a median barrier before too long).
4. Sort the legal system out so that its convicts the guilty and aquits the innocent with some level of accuracy, not the lottery we have now. Lawyers and judges with their view that the system is more important than the results has ruined any chance that the justice system will ever deserve its name.


In addition I'd like to see National standards of descretion for the Police. Also, fit all police cars with cameras/microphones and make this evidence available to those accused.

[thealmightytaco]

1. Increase the minimum age to 25. Many drivers are simply not mature enough untill then. i would rather the roads are safe than pander to the desires of those under 25 to drive.

I for the most part agree with you jim, but this part is screaming with old man wants it for himself.
EDIT: Not that I'm tryin' to offend ya and call you an old man, but it has that ring to it. Much respect. Back to the explanation...

You leave it this late in life to learn to drive and chances are many will never pick it up, their lives busy with every other bloody thing that comes along at this age. And those that have always wanted to hoon will still do it, minus about 10% of their hormonal show off urge but they'll still do it. They've only matured by now because they've got it out of their system and have now learnt all the necessary finesse involved in driving, you're just delaying the pain.
Tis better to start early and get the practise in, especially with parents around who can help out and take you for practises all you want. They just need better ways to teach the new ones, compulsory defensive driving courses etc, a lesson a week and then the parents can take 'em out for practises the rest of the week.
Otherwise you'll have 25yr old folks getting one drive in a week amongst theirs and their elders working lives, forgetting about it all week till it comes round again, and they'll be the worst farkin' drivers the world ever saw.

[Toast]

It's been said a million times..revenue gathering bastards, more runners, etc.

[Skyryder]

Who the fuck is "The director" ?? And what's the bastards address?

No idea. That's the bit they leave out.

Skyryder

[Colapop]

The Director is most likely to be the Minister of Transport. You'll find that in practically all legislation in NZ that somewhere in it there is a clause that states something to that effect ie at the end of the day the gumminmint owns or has the right to do whatever it feels is in the public interest. An example of this also is Transit or Transpower. Both organisations have the right to compulsorily aquire your land with minimal compensation for the public good. That means if you have land that they want and don't dettle amicably with them, they'll take it.
All for the greater good - like the road rules/law. While there are people who do or believe they have the skills to ride/drive faster than the posted speed limit there aare those who do not. The law is there to protect all. As the saying goes you can please some of the people some of the time but you cannot please all of the people all of the time (or something like that).

[Skyryder]

Thanks for that CP. I'm just wondering why they don't use Minister instead. It used to be that the Minister was ultimatley responsible for the way his Ministry was run, but since Rodgernomics Ministerial responsibility seems to be on parr with the Do Do bird: extinct.

Skyryder

[riffer]

Ministerial responsibility/personal responsibility

it's all gone mate. It's always someone else's fault now.

That's one of the reasons we end up having our lives legislated and controlled.

How many sheep are there in New Zealand again?

[Ixion]

The Director is most likely to be the Minister of Transport. ...

Nope. The Director of Land Transport Safety is a Mr David Wright, since 2001, when he replaced Mr Reg Barrett. Mr Wright came to the position from Richmond Limited, a major New Zealand meat processing and exporting company, where he spearheaded the company's entry into the venison procurement, processing and marketing area .He has held a range of international marketing, research and development, and technical positions within the meat industry. So obviously he knows all about road safety. :angry2:

Haven't Richmond gone bust ?

[number33]

If we can get information on when the "Director" is home alone, then we can do something constructive towards sensible road rules. Blackmail, bribery and extortion could be possible, but I'd prefer the electric cattle prod torture technique myself. Even the good ole baseball bat - simple but effective. Ya gotta fight fire with fire...

[merv]

LTSA merged with Transfund in December 2004 to be Land Transport NZ and the new CEO (who by legislation acts as the Director) is Wayne Donnelly (formerly of Transfund and formerly of Rodney District Council). David Wright is no longer there.

Remember the politicians make the laws, not the Ministry or Land Transport NZ. Sure bureaucrats provide information to Parliament, but Parliament decides on the laws and we all have a chance through the select committee process to be heard. Do they listen? Not to everything.

The Minister of Transport (David Parker) and the Minister of Transport Safety (Harry Duynhoven) are the guys calling the shots from what I can see. The bureacrats in the agencies just administer the law.

[Colapop]

Ultimately at the end of the line is Aunty Hellacious - join the queue. She's got broad shoulders she'll cope.

[Lou Girardin]

Sorry to tell you all, the power to set speed limits has always been the Director of LTNZ's province. You didn't really think that Parliament debates each new speed limit did you?
Nothing new here.
More to the point is the proliferation of long term 'temporary' speed limits for no good reason.

[Pixie]

Sorry to tell you all, the power to set speed limits has always been the Director of LTNZ's province. You didn't really think that Parliament debates each new speed limit did you?
Nothing new here.
More to the point is the proliferation of long term 'temporary' speed limits for no good reason.
Doesn't the new 40 kmh over law have an exception whereby the point at which one has his licence suspended on a temporary speed limit road, is still 50 kmh over?

[spudchucka]

Doesn't the new 40 kmh over law have an exception whereby the point at which one has his licence suspended on a temporary speed limit road, is still 50 kmh over?
Temporary speed zones are still +51 kph before losing your licence. The new change applies to permanent speed zones only.

[Lou Girardin]

Temporary speed zones are still +51 kph before losing your licence. The new change applies to permanent speed zones only.

Is it not as dangerous to do 41 over through roadworks spud?

[MSTRS]

Is it not as dangerous to do 41 over through roadworks spud?
Who said that there were roadworks happening between the signs? Often, there is nothing there BUT the signs. *Read as SPEEDTRAP*. Ka-ching!! Thank you, next please.

[spudchucka]

Is it not as dangerous to do 41 over through roadworks spud?
Yeah, probably but I don't make the rules, do I?

[Lou Girardin]

I'm stunned by your candour Spud, do you ever wonder about doing the bidding of the gene pool rejects that set your policies?

[ManDownUnder]

Incedently your licence is the property of the Director.
Skyryder

Skyrider - I have bad news for you...

YOU (yes you - as in your body mind and soul) are the property of the government.

They can decide what to do with you any old time they want. They can send you to war, (or to prison - your choice).

They can order your death.

They permanently own the land your house is on (you don't own it, you have a lease on it in perpetuity).

It's not good news, but it's also not new.

Have a nice day :-)

[Skyryder]

Skyrider - I have bad news for you...

YOU (yes you - as in your body mind and soul) are the property of the government.

They can decide what to do with you any old time they want. They can send you to war, (or to prison - your choice).

They can order your death.

They permanently own the land your house is on (you don't own it, you have a lease on it in perpetuity).

It's not good news, but it's also not new.

Have a nice day :-)

Tell me something I don't know.