fucking hondas!!!!!!!

[Sketchy_Racer]

WHO THE WOULD WANT TO OWN ONE!!

pheww calm..

sorry,

but as yas know ive been rebuilding my CBR cause it had a blown head gasket. while i was there i though i would do a valve grind to make sure they were sealing, soo having the valves out i thpught i would changer the valve stem seals cause taking them out screws them up. So fisrs off Honda Japan charge $17 per a seal..... it dont sound too bad but i need 16 of the fuckers so it gets expensive (well for me it is)

After ordering them, and sawyers in wellington being complete fuck tards pissing me around ( Thats Hazel to all tha know her ) i finnaly got them YAY!!

put the engine back together and bolt into frame all good!! plug everything in put carbs, ex, airbox, etc etc on

got to start it......................

hmmmmm it doesnt seem to want to fire............

hmmmmmmmm somethings not right..........

hmmmmmmmmmmm it has no spark.........


i have searched and checked every little plug and fuse on the bike to make sure that they are all good but nooooo Its a Honda and its fucking gay.

i gave up for the night and thought that it would be a good time to stop before i got all stroppy and started breaking stuff.

tomorrow im gonna check the pulse unit, and the CDI or spark unit as they call it.

if anyone has any bright ideas as why it wont go please shout em out.

oh and yes i had spark before i pulled it apart, as the engine was running.

cheers guys,

Glenn

[Motu]

Um,if it was going before you pulled it apart I'm pretty sure it would be something you did....elementary...

[Bonez]

kill switch

[Sketchy_Racer]

yes i know....

but you know how every thing seems to shit itself after being moved.

or is just me??

[Sketchy_Racer]

yes i have checked that bonez...... it works unfortuanly

[Bonez]

yes i have checked that bonez...... it works unfortuanlySo switch it to the position it doesn't work :bash:

[Bonez]

Try not to loose any sleep over it. You'll most likely pick up what the problem is
in the morning,the bikes probably decided had it's had it's bit of fun and hopefully has decided to play nice :)

[Sketchy_Racer]

yea probably....... it always seems to go that way for me :argh:

[terbang]

Get a Suzuki..!

[*sic]

Get a Suzuki..!

amazing.


you'll sort it, working on it will give you love soon.

[Sketchy_Racer]

yep terbang, thats the solution.....

All three of my Suzkis are running perfectly although they have been subject to complete and utter thrashing and are all going perfectly, cause they are suzukis ;)

[MidnightMike]

yep terbang, thats the solution.....

All three of my Suzkis are running perfectly although they have been subject to complete and utter thrashing and are all going perfectly, cause they are suzukis ;)

Haha Go the zooks! :Punk:

[FlyingDutchMan]

First thing get a multimeter and check that Ignition unit is getting power. If not then trace the wiring back (use the wiring diagram!), until you get to the point were there is power, and see whats gone wrong where. Might just be somthing you haven't plugged together. If it does have power then check the coild are plugged in and that the spark plugs leads are attached properly.

[ducatilover]

hump the exhaust, hondas demand irrelevamt attention and i think humping is completely irrelevent. same thing happend to my bros650 when i got it:no: and it wasnt just cos it ran outa petrol either:scratch:

[metric]

best of luck mate

[bladez]

the same thing happend to my cbr gave the carbs a clean and rejeted put new plugs and ran good after that :rolleyes:

[Big Chim]

yep terbang, thats the solution.....

All three of my Suzkis are running perfectly


Yeah but have you taken the suzuki's apart as well<_<

Got to compare apples with apples

[Sketchy_Racer]

nope i aint ever pulled my suzys apart.....

even when my Suzuki scooter seized, i didnt pull it apart.....

i waited 5 min, jumped on the kickstarter, and away happy.

the reason it seized was becouse the oil line split open.

It astounds me as to why this scooter is still going?? i give it death and it keeps going!!!!!!!!!!!

[SPORK]

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[Cibby]

WHO THE WOULD WANT TO OWN ONE!!



hmmmm i blame you....

Hondas are wonderful :love:

[ducatilover]

hmmmm i blame you....

Hondas are wonderful :love:
damn straight!

its just cos theyre technologically advanced that mere suzy riders are incapable of comprehending their complexity... although im an ex suzy rider;)

[flash]

everything i thought about has flew out the door...

a kid younger than me that can fully disassemble a bike, fix it and get it to sorta work ranks high in my books.... :first: :yes: :corn: :corn: :clap:

[Coyote]

Phff, my Suzuki is really slow and in pieces half the time. My Honda might've been in a gargre for ages in pieces as well but at least it was fast. I miss it

As for $17 per seal, the powervalves on my bike are $300 each and it needs 2

[SPORK]

everything i thought about has flew out the door...

a kid younger than me that can fully disassemble a bike, fix it and get it to sorta work ranks high in my books.... :first: :yes: :corn: :corn: :clap:
But, it worked, he disassembled it, then it didn't work! Still better than I could do though, so blah to me.

[Big Chim]

But, it worked, he disassembled it, then it didn't work! Still better than I could do though, so blah to me.

I have to agree there full marks to RG100

[bladez]

a bike is a bike they all have probs i have owned a few suzukis yamahas and kawaskis and hondas and have found things wrong with all of them the honda i have now snaped a piston 1 month after buying it ground up rebuild goes good now so just look for the light at the end of the tunnel and smile latter:yes:

[Coyote]

But, it worked, he disassembled it, then it didn't work! Still better than I could do though, so blah to me.
Disassembling stuff can also be quite hard, especially when you're dealing with a 30 year old bike that's been left in the rain its whole life letting its soft screws rust in place

[XP@]

Got it going yet?
My 600 wouldn't start after I took the fairing off to re paint it...
Nope it wasn't the mix of paint, but an almost plugged in connector... plugged in properly it started 1st pop :-)

[Sketchy_Racer]

Hey guys...

thanks for all the good comments, and to the "other guys" get faaarked

yes it does run now w00t ,,

but, it is haveing trouble starting, and when it does start, it is soooo low on power you can hardly ride it.

When i try to start it on the electric start, it backfires really really bad out the exaust and the carbs, which to me suggests ignition timing. But i cannot see how as the ignition timing has not been changed at all. And i am 100% certain that it is not the cam timing. It has new plugs as well ($68 worth)

the guys a Hi Torque Cycles are gonna pick the bike up for me next week and have a geez at it for me to see what they think in there perfect mechanical skill.

Oh and if ya ever need any thing motorcycle in kapiti,

HI TORQUE CYCLES

RIGHT NEXT TO MOBILE GAS STATION, BEFORE THE LIGHTS HEADING NORTH.

cheers, RG100!!

[FlyingDutchMan]

Hey guys...

thanks for all the good comments, and to the "other guys" get faaarked

yes it does run now w00t ,,

but, it is haveing trouble starting, and when it does start, it is soooo low on power you can hardly ride it.

When i try to start it on the electric start, it backfires really really bad out the exaust and the carbs, which to me suggests ignition timing. But i cannot see how as the ignition timing has not been changed at all. And i am 100% certain that it is not the cam timing. It has new plugs as well ($68 worth)

the guys a Hi Torque Cycles are gonna pick the bike up for me next week and have a geez at it for me to see what they think in there perfect mechanical skill.

Oh and if ya ever need any thing motorcycle in kapiti,

HI TORQUE CYCLES

RIGHT NEXT TO MOBILE GAS STATION, BEFORE THE LIGHTS HEADING NORTH.

cheers, RG100!!


It won't be the ignition timing - the ignition unit will either work or it won't - and if it works, it will be correctly. What could have happened is you've connected the spark plug leads incorrectly. The left coil pack (while sitting on bike faing the forwards) should goto Plugs 1 & 4, while the right coil pack should goto plugs 2&3.

[oldrider]

nope i aint ever pulled my suzys apart.....
I think you have answered all your questions in the above text.:doh:
I think maybe you owe Mr Honda an apology. :whistle: Cheers John.

[inlinefour]

How its all the bike's fault. Does not matter what brand it is, in this case a Honda. Probably find that the actual problem is a result of how it was put back together, maybe. Problem is because its a Honda, yea right. It amazes me how, someone can strip a bike, put it together and still find a reason why its not going that does not involve them. I saw a prime example of it yesterday. Bike shop says the engine in a mate's scooter has run dry on oil, but even though he rebuilt it, its still the bike shops fault?
RG100, send the bike to someone who can sort it, sounds like it needs a tune & check. Might actually find the actual problem is minor. Stop complaining and get it sorted mate.:sherlock:

[bladez]

Hey guys...

Oh and if ya ever need any thing motorcycle in kapiti,

HI TORQUE CYCLES

RIGHT NEXT TO MOBILE GAS STATION, BEFORE THE LIGHTS HEADING NORTH.

cheers, RG100!!
yes i would agree with ya on that dave and phil are bloody good with there bikes and they said that they will have a dyno by june - july yeaha :Punk:

[Zed]

Nah RG100 you got it wrong bud, sounds like it's just your Honda, in fact it could just be you!? :confused:

[Sketchy_Racer]

Ok Ok i admit defeat,

I know im the one whos got it wrong, I rebuilt it because it had a blown head gasket. Thats why i pulled it apart.

and yes i know its not cause its a honda, its cause im an incompetent bike repairer.

But it does go, so it can only be a little problem. Well everything is right inside.

cheers guys, RG100!!

[Coyote]

Yeah, don't blame the Honda. Everyone know's it's Suzukis that piss you around :p

[crazyxr250rider]

the timings probably 180 degrees out or got the cam sprockets out and every time you recondition a motor Re jet it.

[Bonez]

Are the spark plug leads on the correct cyliners?

[Sniper]

and every time you recondition a motor Re jet it.
It aint a two stroke mate. :rofl:

RG100, sounds electrical, but what XR said could be right. The timing could be out.

[Sketchy_Racer]

hey thanks for the help guys,

i am certain that it is not the cam timing, and no it cannot be 180 degrees out, as it runs a wasted spark. And also i have checked that it is not that, by swapping the cams over 180 egrees.

it does sound electrical to me, it sounds klike the ignition timing is retarded, but it cannot be so yea. Phil at the bike shop says that it is mostlikely the carbs, as they gunk up overthe years and that the seals need to be replaced quitre often.

Cheers, Glenn

[Bonez]

hey thanks for the help guys,

i am certain that it is not the cam timing, and no it cannot be 180 degrees out, as it runs a wasted spark. And also i have checked that it is not that, by swapping the cams over 180 egrees.

it does sound electrical to me, it sounds klike the ignition timing is retarded, but it cannot be so yea. Phil at the bike shop says that it is mostlikely the carbs, as they gunk up overthe years and that the seals need to be replaced quitre often.

Cheers, GlennBut wasn't it running fine before you pulled it down? How long have the carbs been sitting?

[Sketchy_Racer]

not it wasnt running fine before i pulled it down.

now im thinking that you are thinking,

"heres another spotty pimple face teen that is pulling things apart for no reason"

well, i may be spotty faced, but i dont go pulling stuff apart cause "i feel like it',

it had a blown head gasket. it was leaking between the two middle cylinders, causing a pressure screw up. It wouldnt rev past 5000 RPM

it sounds electrical to me, but i am told it will mostlikely be carbs.

it was sittlnig for about 3 months i think?? cant remember.

cheers, Glenn

[Ixion]

If the cam timing was 180 degree out it wouldn't run at all. Either ignition timing or crap in the carbs (varnish or gum probably). Probably the latter. Some of the jets and passages in those tiny carbs are very very small. Or else you've got a bad air leak.

[Bonez]

not it wasnt running fine before i pulled it down.

now im thinking that you are thinking,

"heres another spotty pimple face teen that is pulling things apart for no reason"

well, i may be spotty faced, but i dont go pulling stuff apart cause "i feel like it',

it had a blown head gasket. it was leaking between the two middle cylinders, causing a pressure screw up. It wouldnt rev past 5000 RPM

it sounds electrical to me, but i am told it will mostlikely be carbs.

it was sittlnig for about 3 months i think?? cant remember.

cheers, Glenn
No, I'm not thinking that at all. After all m/c wrenching is a learning expriance. Hell, I still make mistakes. I'll not share the latest episode due to it being a straight fwd RTFM thing. Ridicule from "her indoors" is bad enough without sharing it on the wubballue wubbllue webby thingamegig.:angry2: The reason I suggested leads was that once I got the rh cylinder ones on my old GSX750Ez around the wrong way.

[Coyote]

Well if the carbs are buggered and you're not planning to streetstock race it, EFI-ify it up

[inlinefour]

I know im the one whos got it wrong and yes i know its not cause its a honda
cheers guys, RG100!!


Good luck getting it sorted RG100:niceone:

[Sketchy_Racer]

cheers guys,

It amazes me as to how many people put thought into helping me out.
I will get it sorted, its a matter of time and trouble shooting.

Cheers, RG100!!

[Sniper]

Good luck mate, it can't be too hard.... :niceone:

[XP@]

It really sucks dosent it, you follow the book by the letter, check and re-check everything 10 times, put it all together and ...

you get :third: prize just because it looks good, dosn't go but it looks good. so you put your tail between your legs and putt / trailer / push your way to the bike shop. They then charge you 1hour labour (the backstreet shop) / 12 hours and a fortune in parts (the highstreet shop) to fix a blindingly obvious fault you wouldn't have thought of in a million years.

Good on you for having a go :-) you aint going you learn unless you do.

Your current problems sound a lot, no exactly, like my 600 when i first got it "running" again. they were solved by blowing the carbs (again) and moving the cam around one tooth (this had been checked, re-checked and checked again). Took it out for a test yesterday, am still smiling now. Tomorrow it will, hopefully be on the road and legal - just need to re-register it.

Also had similar on my beemer when I set the cam out by 1 and the inlet manifold had blown at the same time. That was a tad hard to start...

[Sketchy_Racer]

hmm im wondering that.

if its blowing out the inlet, the inlet valves are not closing soon enough.

so if go one tooth back it should make them close sooner..... hmmm maybe not.......

maybe its to the boike shop :no:

ah well ya live n learn

[FlyingDutchMan]

Quick way to check if cams are in the right place: Rotate the crank so that the IN and EX lines on the cam gears are in line with the top of the head (they should be pointing towards each other, or away), and look at the crank alignment mark - if its pointing at the line on the rotor (I can't remember form the top of my head wether its meant to be the T or F mark), then they're spot on.

[Ixion]

One trap for young players - on engines where the timing marks are on the gears or sprockets, they may be valid ONLY if the gear/sprocket is on its original camshaft - ie you can't mix the gears/sprockets up. Not a problem if the marks are on the camshaft itself of course. Moral is, always mark everything and put it back where it came from. I've also known people switch the inlet and exhaust camshafts - which can be VERY confusing.

[sefer]

^^ for instance when I did my cam chain my camshafts were 180 degrees out from what the manual said they should be, very confusing when your putting the thing back together. Luckly I decided to stick with what was working instead of trying to 'fix' it. :D