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SlashWylde
23rd January 2006, 22:10
Here's an interesting thing that happened to me on the way to the Kumeu show:

As you may know I'm an avid fan of Zakk Wylde and his music. Mr. Wylde has a band called 'Black Label Society' and sells a patch sets from his website which you can buy and sew on to a leather vest to show your appreciation for the band. So of course I bought myself a patch set and had them sewn on to a vest last year and have been wearing them to metal gigs and ocasionally on rides. Mine is the same as that in the attached pic.

I wore my leathers and BLS vest to the BDO on Friday and had a great time, got lots of positive comments about BLS and my look in gereral: All Good.

Following hot on the heels of this I decided to wear the vest to the Kumeu show cause I was in the mood. Riding out there I was changing lanes in the first part of SH16 as it leaves the city when I was passed at speed by a patched-up member of a MC gang, who suddenly slowed down and gave me a really aggressive and sustained round of 'Fuck you' finger raising, before hooning off into the distance "ooh dear" I thought, "this doesn't bode well" but carried on to the show as I was.

45mins or so later on I got to within about 1km of the show entrance and was stopped waiting in traffic when the same dude suddenly appeared at my side on his bike and demanded to know "What the FUCK is that on your back?!" I tried to tell him BLS is a metal band but he took off to the show entrance.

"OK" I thought "I'd better take this off and stow it in my saddle bags or I could get in real trouble"

Aaanyway, after that all went well, I diddn't get lynched and lived to tell the (long-winded) tale.

Question is why was he so aggressive? OK I'm not that naive. I know the BLS logo looks like a gang patch but theres no regional chapter (like Auckland or Porirua etc), or M/C written on it anywhere. Why is my vest any different to say, an Iron Maiden or GnR patch set? Or is it a case of bash the guy who looks like a rival gand member and ask questions later? Am I a dumb arse for wearing it outside of Heavy Metal circles and am I likely to get in really deep shit for wearing it whilst on my bike?

NotaGoth
23rd January 2006, 22:19
Most people wouldn't even know who BLS is firstly. Headhunters. BLS. Headhunters. BLS. You can only begin to wonder what he must have thought you were "supporting."

SlashWylde
23rd January 2006, 22:26
Yeeeah, I know. *sigh* that's the trouble with being enlightened; you see things from a multi-faceted point of veiw. Actually, I was in Napier last Labour weekend to see a mates band play at the 'Rack & Ruin' and rode down with the vest on. Not long after I got to the club the manager asked me to put the vest on under my T-shirt while I was near the front bar as they have gang problems in Napier and he has a house policy of no patches. He knew who BLS were but had to enforce a 'one rule for all' policy. Guess it was just luck I wasn't spotted whilst wandering the streets too.

Pathos
23rd January 2006, 22:38
LMFAO

hehehe... I suppose if you want to look like a gang member you have to be ready to be treated like one. If you aren't wearing their patch on their turf It fits a lot better in your rucksack. I suppose he was pretty sure it wasn't a real gang patch otherwise he wouldn't have bothered asking.

SlashWylde
23rd January 2006, 22:43
True... but like I said, I wasn't trying to look like a gang member...just expressing my appreciation for one of my favourite bands. It's all a moot point really, as the vest obviously looks too much like a gang one so I think I'll just take the hint & wear it to the occasional gig. Seems a shame that one has to censor ones own behaviour to fit in with others attitudes, but that's part of being human I guess....

Mr Skid
23rd January 2006, 23:04
I wore my leathers and BLS vest to the BDO on FridayThis concerns me more than any gang related agression.

thehollowmen
23rd January 2006, 23:16
I do get a bit of stick on occassion for my "killing as organised sport" gear.

Pathos
23rd January 2006, 23:48
Seems a shame that one has to censor ones own behaviour to fit in with others attitudes, but that's part of being human I guess....

Look these are gangs we are talking about...losers that have nothing better to do than act tough. In some cases animal is a better terminology.

Brian d marge
24th January 2006, 00:48
Gangs, Savages.. period, Just losers who cant cut it in real life.
I would prefer to honest and broke than bent with money
BUT
you were wearing a top and bottom rocker ! I know where this came from , ( both sides ) Unfortuantly the savages in NZ arent flexible enough to accomodate the style of Patch worn by others ( dey had 2 ern da patch bro ! ...I cant even spell what they would say !!)
I remember going to some motorhead concerts and some biker bands back in England in the early eightys ( anyone remember Dumpys Rusty nuts???) they wore the centre patch and either a top rocker or a bottom rocker ,,,cant remember which ,,,but I think it was different to the The Hells Angel type ( who i think have claims on that top and bottom rocker style )
Then the fashion has crept in ....
Personally I wouldnt wear it unless you want savages ( who get confused easily ,,usually after the second or third word ) resorting to their primal instints ...hit it untill pain goes away ( the pain being the sence of confusion in their pea like brain)

Stephen
click here (http://vnvmcgaa.muddywolf.net/patch.html)for an article onthe history of patches ( best i could find quickly)

buellbabe
24th January 2006, 06:11
DUDE! Quite simply it looks like a Patch. Are you really that surprised? There is a rigidly adhered to ettiquette amongst the various gangs and they all "control" ( in their little worlds anyway! ) different parts of town and country. If you wanna start up yr own patched club you have to seek permission from other clubs. If you don't ... well ...its yr funeral!
A few years back HOG ( Harley Owners Group ) members started putting big back patches on their jackets and paid the price, some of the patches were forcibly removed. It sux but thats the way it is, personally I don't have any patches on my jkts, I am incognito with no apparent affilliations to any club/gang. I reckon thats why I have been able to mix freely with all types for so many years!
BTW its a cool patch but wearing it while riding is gonna attract attention!:yes: :rockon:

Troll
24th January 2006, 06:27
( anyone remember Dumpys Rusty nuts???)
Stephen
click here (http://vnvmcgaa.muddywolf.net/patch.html)for an article onthe history of patches ( best i could find quickly)


Dumpys rusty nuts "£$$ing brilliant and I think he is still going

Patchs and NZ, the two just do not mix, knew a bunch of guys about 10 years ago they had a great club going and tried to go back patch, they lasted less than a week

Gang scene in NZ is still back in the 60's with the British European and American only scene unlike other countries that have less restrictive outlooks

JWALKER
24th January 2006, 06:50
unfortunatly thats the gang mentality, sorry man. i grew up with my dad in one of them and most of them think if you got a image on your back they automatically assume its gang-related. its stupid i know, but, then again a few of them cant seem to tell the differance

bungbung
24th January 2006, 07:32
"Black Label Bike Club" is a NYC bicycle gang/club/collective specialising in freak bikes.

Check out this short film:

http://homepage.mac.com/rachelmeyrick/iMovieTheater8.html

Fishy
24th January 2006, 07:40
Why didn't you just get off your bike and kick the sh*t out of him? He was probably high on P at the time and may not even remember you the next day.

scumdog
24th January 2006, 08:18
Hmmm, I wonder how the various CMCs (Christian Motorcycle Club) handle it?
Zed?

buellbabe
24th January 2006, 08:42
Hmmm, I wonder how the various CMCs (Christian Motorcycle Club) handle it?


I think you'll find that there are some things that even Biker Scum respect.

spudchucka
24th January 2006, 10:50
Question is why was he so aggressive?
The patch that he wears is his way of publicly saying, "I'm a rapist, a theif and a burglar. I peddle drugs to your kids and I don't give a fuck who suffers as a result. I'm a violent thug and I earned this patch by beating the crap out of innocent people for no reason at all other than to impress other violent pricks like me".

Remember that when some fool tells you its just a club, not a gang.

vs04
24th January 2006, 11:12
Does anybody know what the attitude is toward monogram patches/chest patches from these gangs.When my wife and i bought our bike it was at the same time as friends of ours and we decided to have a small monogram patch done,just a bit of fun but it has a skull on it[no rockers],iv,e been thinking of late that maybe it was,nt such a good idea and am thinking of removing it.I have know problems with the triumph owners monogram that we wear on our jackets and vests as most of the bike gangs/clubs know what we,re about and there,s no hassel.:ride:

Colapop
24th January 2006, 11:28
Insecurity - that's why he was so aggressive. You ever seen gang members say "yeah sure I don't know who you are but come on in anyway"? Gang members like to believe that they live by a code that involves 'Utu', turf and loyalty. They don't - they're just a different form of animal. The reality is you were seen as a new unknown dog on the block. Dogs and gangs are hirachial (sp) and when they meet a new one it's be the boss or the bitch.

Dazza
24th January 2006, 12:24
24539 I certainly would didn't wear it out in Public:ar15:

sunhuntin
24th January 2006, 12:30
maybe he thought you could have been part of an independant group?

my old man is a member of the IRB, an ontario MC. he wears both top and bottom rockers, as do the rest of the boys...even the old ladies sometimes wear club shirts. the IRB was established in the 70s, formed by a bunch of guys who just liked to get together and ride as a group. the parties they used to hold, i was told, would have members from other clubs showing up [angels and a few others i cant remember, lol] last few years, theyve started being more involved with the angels, and i can see that about 90% of the members will be patching over, with the remainder throwing in their patches and quitting entirely....glenn will be one of those. when they first started, all they had to identify themselves was a small pin about 2-3cms long. only in recent years did they get patches. i would post a pic, but doubt thats allowed. glenn gave me one of thier pins, along with his leather vest. i wear them every so often.

the guys i met in those 6 months were some of the roughest looking guys around, but they were all perfect gentlemen. i know if id fallen down drunk with no top on, id be dragged into a tent to sleep it off. easy. the gang members here must be different. hells angels, i have top respect for. the others, i dont bother them, they dont bother me, lol.

Holy Roller
24th January 2006, 12:34
My old vest had a Rider For Christ patch on the back. 15 years of wearing it I haven't had any probs. Guess its because I dont claim a location or an MC. These days I just have a plain white cross on the back of my jacket. With the Ulysses its the rockers that are the problem so Ulysses Austraila have ordered their members not to wear one or be expelled from the club. Though NZ Ulysses todate have not made a similar requirement.

Might actually dig out the old vest for Parachute since the last time I wore it was at the old site.

DMNTD
24th January 2006, 12:45
The patch that he wears is his way of publicly saying, "I'm a rapist, a theif and a burglar. I peddle drugs to your kids and I don't give a fuck who suffers as a result. I'm a violent thug and I earned this patch by beating the crap out of innocent people for no reason at all other than to impress other violent pricks like me".

Green bling:niceone:
I have respect for a stand-alone type not some bitch arsed wannabe following ordering from the "head" bitch. I don't know,maybe safety in numbers eh? And yes I have fronted my opinions to more than a few.
By no means do am I "broad brushing" it either...a collective of like minded legit peeps are ka pai in my opinion.

Finn
24th January 2006, 13:20
Question is why was he so aggressive?

Answer: Bad parenting.

scumdog
24th January 2006, 13:25
24539 I certainly would didn't wear it out in Public:ar15:

Does that mean you drive a break-down truck (you know, Ka Toa) and why do you have a picture of Wlly E. Coyote from the Roadrunner cartoon on your back???:blink:

Brian d marge
24th January 2006, 14:16
Dumpys rusty nuts "£$$ing brilliant and I think he is still going


Yes I wouldnt mind seeing them again , They were a good time ...
Stephen

jahmin
24th January 2006, 15:09
Excuse my naivety, but are rockers the banner type things above/below the patch that usually say the name of the gang/group/whatever?

scumdog
24th January 2006, 15:11
Excuse my naivety, but are rockers the banner type things above/below the patch that usually say the name of the gang/group/whatever?

In this case? Yes

But then there's rockers on engines, riding on old Triumphs, etc etc

SlashWylde
24th January 2006, 16:42
click here (http://vnvmcgaa.muddywolf.net/patch.html)for an article onthe history of patches ( best i could find quickly)

Thanks man, very helpful. Bling awarded.

SlashWylde
24th January 2006, 16:59
Interesting posts made by some folks here. Thanks for responding. I've never really thought much about MC gangs as their activities don't interest me but after reflecting on this experience I can see why what I considered a seemingly innocent bit of fun was a major error in the wider scheme of things and why it was taken so seriously by that gang member. I was wearing what appeared to be a new and unknown/unsanctioned set of colours. I was (presumably) on his gangs turf, or at the very least presented a threat to his society, and by appearing at an event wearing such was making a very bold public statement.

They obviously have their own social ettiquete and rules governing their interactions with other gangs and the colours are evidently much more than a costume or identifying designation.

I don't think that I'll be wearing it out in public anymore except maybe to metal gigs, especially considering my location. It's not that important that I wanna risk getting assaulted over. For some reason I still find the idea of wearing a band logo on my vest over my bike jacket appealing so I may hunt down a GnR patch set or a Slash one. I dunno. It's all pretty stupid really considering the origins of patches anyway.

scumdog
24th January 2006, 17:18
It would be good if we all wore patches - it would take the 'sting' out of gangs wearing them eh?
Nobody would take any notice of them any more.

Waylander
24th January 2006, 17:21
Fuck 'em man. I plan on having a badass looking dragon stitched into the back of my next jacket.

Jackrat
24th January 2006, 17:34
Fuck 'em man. I plan on having a badass looking dragon stitched into the back of my next jacket.

Maybe you'll get the chance to tell your FF mates that when you go over to support their show next month.
Why you'd support those cunts is beyond me but that's your call I guess.:wacko:
Don't leave ya' bike in the wrong place while your there mate,I hear Viragos burn real well.

notme
24th January 2006, 17:36
My 0.01107 Euro......


Me and Slash had this discussion after the event (being flatmates and all) - I can see all sides but my overriding (no pun intended) instinct would be to not risk wearing something that to me, even knowing what it is, looks like a gang patch.
Especially on a dude riding a motorcycle.
Especially a crusier.
Especially with a skull as (a major) part of the patch.
And especially with the words "Black label society" on it, which could be anything....unlike for example Holy Roller's "Rider for Christ" patch which is obvious.

Call it experience, lack of Naiveté , or just growing up in many different countries around the world, but there are some things you just don't do, like walk around south central L.A. with a blue/red bandanna hanging out of your pocket<o:p></o:p>, or asking "when are the backstreet boys on?" in the mosh during Mudvayne at the Big Day Out, or riding with what looks like a gang patch through Otara, then West Auckland.......:Pokey:

I'm a patched member of this BADASS group of hombres called kiwibiker.....and I've never had a problem, even tho the patch is on the back of my leathers. Fortunately, because the patch has no rockers, is bright frickin' yellow, and clearly defines itself as this website, it's obvious even to the fucktards that it's not a gang thing. :slap:

Skyryder
24th January 2006, 17:38
One thing I like is anonymity. Put a patch on your back and you stand out like an erection in a harem.

Skyryder

notme
24th January 2006, 17:43
Oh yeah part 2 of my story - a day later I had my own gang run in.....

There they were, lounging in the shade out near the beach, just after a 15km/h or so corner, with their bikes proudly on display.
I came around the corner on the RR, saw them, saw the staredown and the derogatory looks at this sprotbiker begin, and thought "FUKK THE LOTTA YA!"

So I gave it some stick, passed them at about 90 in first (at least HALF of my total wheel count was on the road...), them proceeded to make my way up the next 2k or so of nice straight road at.....er...exactly the speed limit officer <_<.

Those minichoppers didn't know what had hit 'em.

APPLE
24th January 2006, 17:52
Take some Really good advice from me slash?dont wear it again?your lookn 4 trouble if your gonna wear that,on or off the bike,worst case senario?a gang member could follow you home,find out were you live......and?? well who knows wot could happen?i mean even tho its a rock band emblem,fellas dont look at that,all they c is another gang to beat on.?ive been around gangs half of my life mate,aint worth dyin ova or beatin up 4 a patch?thats not,a patch?......

notme
24th January 2006, 17:58
Take some Really good advice from me slash?dont wear it again?your lookn 4 trouble if your gonna wear that,on or off the bike,worst case senario?a gang member could follow you home,find out were you live......and?? well who knows wot could happen?i mean even tho its a rock band emblem,fellas dont look at that,all they c is another gang to beat on.?ive been around gangs half of my life mate,aint worth dyin ova or beatin up 4 a patch?thats not,a patch?......

:shit: !!!!!!!!!!


That's where I live!!!!!!

Troll
24th January 2006, 18:34
Why didn't you just get off your bike and kick the sh*t out of him? He was probably high on P at the time and may not even remember you the next day.

thats a really intelligent suggestion

selectedgrub
24th January 2006, 19:17
This a pic of one of my jacket, It not so much the image too but the fact it's got the NZ rocker, It dome fastens off. Would only wear it unfast overseas Laconia, Sturgis eg. Also in fact your Black&White Heavy metal patch is in Devils henchmen "Colors". The NZ on my jacket is in the "Harley" orange. It still considered an insult to 1%ers I suppose. Just for information and advise to be careful of what kind of things to wear unfortunately.

Swoop
24th January 2006, 19:29
Does anyone recognise this MC group...

I wonder "what happens next"......

selectedgrub
24th January 2006, 19:39
[QUOTE=Swoop]Does anyone recognise this MC group... [QUOTE]

Bandidos

Indoo
24th January 2006, 20:13
Interesting posts made by some folks here. Thanks for responding. I've never really thought much about MC gangs as their activities don't interest me but after reflecting on this experience I can see why what I considered a seemingly innocent bit of fun was a major error in the wider scheme of things and why it was taken so seriously by the HH member. I was wearing what appeared to be a new and unknown/unsanctioned set of colours. I was (presumably) on his gangs turf, or at the very least presented a threat to his society, and by appearing at an event wearing such was making a very bold public statement.

They obviously have their own social ettiquete and rules governing their interactions with other gangs and the colours are evidently much more that a costume or identifying designation..

Its a shame that he made you think that way, you should be free to have whatever patch you want on your back providing its not that of an organised criminal group.

The HH are nothing more than an organised group of cowards, they have no quandry with including child rapists, murderers and other peices of shit in there ranks.

They will all talk big when they have about 50 odd of there butbuddies behind them, but thats about the extent of it.

Indoo
24th January 2006, 20:20
Maybe you'll get the chance to tell your FF mates that when you go over to support their show next month.
Why you'd support those cunts is beyond me but that's your call I guess.:wacko:
Don't leave ya' bike in the wrong place while your there mate,I hear Viragos burn real well.

Wow mate, I actually had a decent opinion of you, prior to this. Gangs that peddle drugs and people who condone them deserve nothing but contempt.

Grow some balls.

El Dopa
24th January 2006, 20:36
Wow mate, I actually had a decent opinion of you, prior to this. Gangs that peddle drugs and people who condone them deserve nothing but contempt.

Grow some balls.

Uh, why don't you try CAREFULLY reading the post again......

El Dopa
24th January 2006, 20:38
The patch that he wears is his way of publicly saying, "I'm a rapist, a theif and a burglar. I peddle drugs to your kids and I don't give a fuck who suffers as a result. I'm a violent thug and I earned this patch by beating the crap out of innocent people for no reason at all other than to impress other violent pricks like me".

Remember that when some fool tells you its just a club, not a gang.

The headhunters emmed to have quite a large but discreet presence at the Kumeu car show.

They were selling raffle tickets for a bike, to raise funds for 'gyms', 'kindys', 'orphanages', 'little kitten sanctuaries', etc

El Dopa
24th January 2006, 20:41
Excuse my naivety, but are rockers the banner type things above/below the patch that usually say the name of the gang/group/whatever?

The main gang logo goes in the middle. The upper rocker is the club name. the lower rocker is the location. E.g. 'Headhunters' (top), 'Auckland' (bottom).

Prospects are only allowed to wear the lower rocker until they become fully patched.

Waylander
24th January 2006, 20:51
Wow mate, I actually had a decent opinion of you, prior to this. Gangs that peddle drugs and people who condone them deserve nothing but contempt.

Grow some balls.

As Eldopa said. Read the post more carefully. It was a piss take aimed at me cause I am going to a bike show on the 4th that is apparently run by gang members.

Do I support them and thier ideals? Fuck no. Do I want to take the oportunity to look at somewicked custom bikes? Fuck yes.

Indoo
24th January 2006, 20:59
Sorry man my bad, I stupidly missed the rather obvious piss take from that post. I've dealt with a few tools from that gang and missed reading comprehension 101.

SlashWylde
24th January 2006, 21:17
Its a shame that he made you think that way, you should be free to have whatever patch you want on your back providing its not that of an organised criminal group.

Well yes in an ideal world that might be true, but realistically some gangs are made up of some really heavy dudes who just don't think the same way other folk do. They have their own set of rules which they live by, and I don't want to mess with them. I'm not looking for trouble.

WINJA
24th January 2006, 21:52
It would be good if we all wore patches - it would take the 'sting' out of gangs wearing them eh?
Nobody would take any notice of them any more.
DOES DAINESE COUNT , ME AND LOTS OF OTHERS HAVE THIS ON THE BACK OF OUR JACKETS , YEAH IM A BAD ARSE I THREW A CHEWING GUM WRAPPER OUT MY CAR WINDOW

Waylander
24th January 2006, 21:56
Have been asked to remove certain names from the thread. No more gang names ok peaple.

And Jackrat, thank you very much for possibly ruining what would have been a great day enjoying my passion for bikes.

metric
24th January 2006, 22:24
As Eldopa said. Read the post more carefully. It was a piss take aimed at me cause I am going to a bike show on the 4th that is apparently run by gang members.

Do I support them and thier ideals? Fuck no. Do I want to take the oportunity to look at somewicked custom bikes? Fuck yes.

tell me that isn't the Auckland Motorcycle Show? and if it is, it's "supposedly" run by who?

Waylander
24th January 2006, 22:37
No, it's the Tauranga show.

Jackrat
25th January 2006, 04:00
Have been asked to remove certain names from the thread. No more gang names ok peaple.

And Jackrat, thank you very much for possibly ruining what would have been a great day enjoying my passion for bikes.

No worries fella,you keep our head in the sand.
They need people like you to survive.

SVrunner
25th January 2006, 06:02
You did the right thing taking it off.
I have heard that the none removal of the of patch & rocker will result in removal by force.
Better to walk away with your life.

Ixion
25th January 2006, 08:08
All of which begs the question of why society is prepared to put up with being exploited by these neanderthal baboons. Drug dealing, violence, rape and lots of other stuff, you say? So, why don't the cops take them out? I thought that was what we had a police force for? I'm certain the cops wouldn't object. Wouldn't be hard, give me a dozen coppers with balls, and a couple of big trucks and some RSJs and I'd chase 'em up and down the country until they were either in gaol for life or left the country.They wouldn't have time for any drug dealing or other such before the trucks burst through their walls again. So where are the soft cocks who have given the order to leave them alone?

Goblin
25th January 2006, 08:29
Who asked you to remove gang names??? What a crock of shit. Get some balls and put the names back

61 FBM .......

In The Breeze
25th January 2006, 08:47
Im not a fan of gangs at all but have known a few active members that weren't drug dealers or rapists. Some so called gangs are attempting to clean their image up but no doubt there will always be the mongrels in the pack. To me a gang patch is a target,you will get put into a box by others. Pity though when someone simply wants to show their appreciation for a band though
Gangs suck,a patch is a patch

Motu
25th January 2006, 09:39
There were Cops with balls - on Waiheke Island one time a bike gang came over,the local Cop went down to the vehicular ferry wharf and told them to turn the ferry around and go back,he didn't want them on the island.This cop also did remedial therapy after hours and out of uniform with kids he thought stepped out of line,he was hugely respected,and his word was Law.

The earlier gangs,late 60s,early 70s,were a bit different than what came in the late 70s - I still have good mates from those days who lived nothing more than a riotous life style and maybe scared a few old ladies,most are well respected members of society.But there were certainly bad eggs,no doubt about it,and they helped turn the gangs into the organised criminals that they have been the last 30 yrs.

WINJA
25th January 2006, 09:41
All of which begs the question of why society is prepared to put up with being exploited by these neanderthal baboons. Drug dealing, violence, rape and lots of other stuff, you say? So, why don't the cops take them out? I thought that was what we had a police force for? I'm certain the cops wouldn't object. Wouldn't be hard, give me a dozen coppers with balls, and a couple of big trucks and some RSJs and I'd chase 'em up and down the country until they were either in gaol for life or left the country.They wouldn't have time for any drug dealing or other such before the trucks burst through their walls again. So where are the soft cocks who have given the order to leave them alone?
ITS SAFER FOR THE PIGS TO GIVE TICKETS TO JOE PUNCHCLOCK FOR 5KMH OVER THAN HARRASS GANG MEMBERS , JUST SHOWS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE POLICE FORCE IS LIKE THESE DAYS "CHICKEN SHIT" . I SAW A NSW COP WITH SOME CRED , SOME GANG MEMBERS PARKED IN A RED ZONE AND DISMOUNTED , A COP WALKED UP UNCLIPPED THE BIT THAT HOLDS THE GUN IN THE HOLSTER AND SAID , I KNOW YOU POOFS ARENT STOPPING THERE, WITH OUT A WORD THEY GOT ON THEIR BIKES AND SLOWLY RODE OFF , WHILE THE COP WAS STILL STANDING THERE A YOUNG DUDE STOPS RIGHT WHERE THE BIKEYS WERE PARKED GOT OUT OF HIS CAR AND WALKED OFF , AND THE COP DID NOTHING ,I THINK HE WAS MAKING A POINT TO THE GANG MEMBERS "YOUR NOT WELCOME HERE , I WONT TOLERATE SHIT":Police: RESPECT

scumdog
25th January 2006, 09:59
ITS SAFER FOR THE PIGS TO GIVE TICKETS TO JOE PUNCHCLOCK FOR 5KMH OVER THAN HARRASS GANG MEMBERS , JUST SHOWS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE POLICE FORCE IS LIKE THESE DAYS "CHICKEN SHIT" . I SAW A NSW COP WITH SOME CRED , SOME GANG MEMBERS PARKED IN A RED ZONE AND DISMOUNTED , A COP WALKED UP UNCLIPPED THE BIT THAT HOLDS THE GUN IN THE HOLSTER AND SAID , I KNOW YOU POOFS ARENT STOPPING THERE, WITH OUT A WORD THEY GOT ON THEIR BIKES AND SLOWLY RODE OFF , WHILE THE COP WAS STILL STANDING THERE A YOUNG DUDE STOPS RIGHT WHERE THE BIKEYS WERE PARKED GOT OUT OF HIS CAR AND WALKED OFF , AND THE COP DID NOTHING ,I THINK HE WAS MAKING A POINT TO THE GANG MEMBERS "YOUR NOT WELCOME HERE , I WONT TOLERATE SHIT":Police: RESPECT

You story lost it's effect when it got to the part UNCLIPPED THE BIT THAT HOLDS THE GUN IN THE HOLSTER.......
Like we're always going to do THAT in NZ!!


And I bet it really cramped their 'P' sales for that day eh?

buellbabe
25th January 2006, 10:07
I agree in general with what has been said about Gangs but there are actually some smaller Gangs/Clubs here in NZ that have zero tolerance for 'P' and will give the boot to any member associated with the shit.
:clap: :2guns:

spudchucka
25th January 2006, 10:14
The headhunters emmed to have quite a large but discreet presence at the Kumeu car show.

They were selling raffle tickets for a bike, to raise funds for 'gyms', 'kindys', 'orphanages', 'little kitten sanctuaries', etc
Just their version of propaganda and it helps them when they are trying to convince their mummies that it really is just a club.

scumdog
25th January 2006, 10:21
I agree in general with what has been said about Gangs but there are actually some smaller Gangs/Clubs here in NZ that have zero tolerance for 'P' and will give the boot to any member associated with the shit.
:clap: :2guns:

Sounds all very noble but in a lot of cases it's still o.k. to steal/assault/sell cannabis etc in their eyes!

Most of the time their reaction to 'P' is a fear of what heat the 'P' user might bring on thier 'club' from both Police and other gangs....

Pablo Uganda
25th January 2006, 10:46
When you think about it........its quite ridiculous all the fuss over badges, rockers or whatever on jackets.

Just seems stupid to me.

HenryDorsetCase
25th January 2006, 14:20
" with no apparent affilliations to any club/gang.

the use of the word "apparent" in that paragraph is fascinating. Please continue.

I applaud your bike choice too. I loved the Buell I test rode recently.

buellbabe
25th January 2006, 14:30
the use of the word "apparent" in that paragraph is fascinating. Please continue.

I applaud your bike choice too. I loved the Buell I test rode recently.

Back in the days... I knew guys in the Filthy Few, Highways and Angels (and they all hated each other! ) plus a few other minor clubs... I've never worn a patch and never had any trouble mixing with different people. Mindyou there were buggerall ladies on bikes 20 yrs ago letalone on a Harley so I think the respect factor may have come from that!:devil2: :innocent:

socialites
25th January 2006, 15:45
Hmmm, I wonder how the various CMCs (Christian Motorcycle Club) handle it?
Zed?
Have ridden with a few CMC Members before and they dont ever seem to get any grief. Was also a member of a "so called bike club" for about 3 months here in NZ (African Eagles) and they too wore patches and still do infact. In those three months I never got grief with the patch thing, and attended a few bike rallies wearing the patch (as it was expected of me to do so), but personally, I think the patch thing is utter crap, dont need it and cant see why ppl wear it unless they trying to make a gang statement. My opinion only....

WINJA
25th January 2006, 17:48
Was also a member of a "so called bike club" for about 3 months here in NZ (African Eagles) and they too wore patches and still do infact. In those three months I never got grief with the patch thing, and attended a few bike rallies wearing the patch (as it was expected of me to do so), but personally, I think the patch thing is utter crap, dont need it and cant see why ppl wear it unless they trying to make a gang statement. My opinion only....
WHITE AFRICANS LIKE SEGREGATION , THAT PATCH IS JUST THEIR WAY OF SAYING WERE BETTER THAN YOU AND YOU HAVE TO BE OF A CERTAIN RACE TO JOIN OUR CLUB, I BET THEY STAND AROUND TALKING ABOUT DIRTY KEFERS AND FLAT NOSES ETC ETC

El Dopa
25th January 2006, 18:21
All of which begs the question of why society is prepared to put up with being exploited by these neanderthal baboons. Drug dealing, violence, rape and lots of other stuff, you say? So, why don't the cops take them out? I thought that was what we had a police force for? I'm certain the cops wouldn't object. Wouldn't be hard, give me a dozen coppers with balls, and a couple of big trucks and some RSJs and I'd chase 'em up and down the country until they were either in gaol for life or left the country.They wouldn't have time for any drug dealing or other such before the trucks burst through their walls again. So where are the soft cocks who have given the order to leave them alone?

Because:

1) They have a lot of money to spend on unscrupulous lawyers to fight court cases.

2) A lack of witnesses prepared to testify, for various reasons (gang affiliation, intimidation, etc) which makes sucessful prosecutions difficult.

3) support from their networks and a bad attitude above and beyond what joe public has, which gives them the stomach for long trials.

4) not much fear of jail time.

5) a legal system in the western world which grants necessary freedoms to 99% of the polulation, but as a consequence of which is not geared up to deal with 1%ers who abuse theose freedoms


Just their version of propaganda and it helps them when they are trying to convince their mummies that it really is just a club.

Which is why the 'good causes' were in inverted commas.

spudchucka
26th January 2006, 07:50
1) They have a lot of money to spend on unscrupulous lawyers to fight court cases.
I have met a number of patched gang members who are themselves unscrupulous lawyers.

outlawtorn
26th January 2006, 08:21
All of which begs the question of why society is prepared to put up with being exploited by these neanderthal baboons. Drug dealing, violence, rape and lots of other stuff, you say? So, why don't the cops take them out? I thought that was what we had a police force for? I'm certain the cops wouldn't object. Wouldn't be hard, give me a dozen coppers with balls, and a couple of big trucks and some RSJs and I'd chase 'em up and down the country until they were either in gaol for life or left the country.They wouldn't have time for any drug dealing or other such before the trucks burst through their walls again. So where are the soft cocks who have given the order to leave them alone?
Vote Ixion for chief copper of NZ!!!
Well said mate

outlawtorn
26th January 2006, 08:26
WHITE AFRICANS LIKE SEGREGATION , THAT PATCH IS JUST THEIR WAY OF SAYING WERE BETTER THAN YOU AND YOU HAVE TO BE OF A CERTAIN RACE TO JOIN OUR CLUB, I BET THEY STAND AROUND TALKING ABOUT DIRTY KEFERS AND FLAT NOSES ETC ETC
Dude, don't start that kind of shit here, and don't EVER fucking paint all South Africans with the same brush!! I left that country because of close minded cunts like that and for people like you to automattcally assume we are all like that only serves to make matters worse!!
Grow the fuck up and open your fucking mind!!

WINJA
26th January 2006, 08:47
Dude, don't start that kind of shit here, and don't EVER fucking paint all South Africans with the same brush!! I left that country because of close minded cunts like that and for people like you to automattcally assume we are all like that only serves to make matters worse!!
Grow the fuck up and open your fucking mind!!
ITS JUST MY OPINION BASED ON WHAT IVE SEEN IN THE WORK PLACE PARTICULARLY AND SOCIALLY RE SOUTH AFRICANS , I KNOW ONE WHO I THINK IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT AS FOR MOST OF YOU I MET WELL ILL TAR YOU WITH THE SAME BRUSH , A MOTORCYCLE CLUB BASED ON RACE DOESNT THAT SAY SOMETHING .
LOOK AT IT FROM MY POINT OF VIEW YOU GUYS LEFT A COUNTRY YOU FUCKED WITH RACIAL INTOLLERANCE COME TO MY COUNTRY AND EVERY FUCKEN DAY I HEAR A SAFI RIPPIN ON DARKER PEOPLE IN FRONT OF ME AND MY MOTHER IS BLACK WITH A HUGE AFFRO. FUNNY THING IS THE SAFI'S NEVER SAID ANYTHING OUTA PLACE IN FRONT OF THE KING SIZED ISLANDER AT WORK WHO LOOKED LIKE A ISLANDER .

outlawtorn
26th January 2006, 08:51
ITS JUST MY OPINION BASED ON WHAT IVE SEEN IN THE WORK PLACE PARTICULARLY AND SOCIALLY RE SOUTH AFRICANS , I KNOW ONE WHO I THINK IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT AS FOR MOST OF YOU I MET WELL ILL TAR YOU WITH THE SAME BRUSH , A MOTORCYCLE CLUB BASED ON RACE DOESNT THAT SAY SOMETHING .
LOOK AT IT FROM MY POINT OF VIEW YOU GUYS LEFT A COUNTRY YOU FUCKED WITH RACIAL INTOLLERANCE COME TO MY COUNTRY AND EVERY FUCKEN DAY I HEAR A SAFI RIPPIN ON DARKER PEOPLE IN FRONT OF ME AND MY MOTHER IS BLACK WITH A HUGE AFFRO. FUNNY THING IS THE SAFI'S NEVER SAID ANYTHING OUTA PLACE IN FRONT OF THE KING SIZED ISLANDER AT WORK WHO LOOKED LIKE A ISLANDER .
As per the African Eagles web page:

"The African Eagles Motor Cycle Club was set up for like minded members who want to get together to ride and socialize with other bikers with similar interests. We are an informal, social club built on a foundation of ex-African members. Our emblem includes a caricature of an African Eagle and indicates the countries our founding members originally came from, but our ‘Africanism’ is simply our beginning! Our club is not exclusively ex-African and we welcome contact from any biker interested in meeting our members. "

So the club isn't based on race you ignorant prick! Do a bit of background research before you make a pratt of yourself in front of everyone here.

Like I said before, don't tar us all with the same brush, there are plenty of South Africans on KB and I know loads of them outside the biking community and I've never met one who started ripping of blacks or any other race for that matter. Funny thing is, twice now I have met white kiwi's who have started telling me racist jokes as soon as they find out where I come from, then I have to be awkward and tell them that I ain't interested in hearing them. So Winja, to quote something on telly, know me before you judge me!

WINJA
26th January 2006, 17:07
As per the African Eagles web page:

"The African Eagles Motor Cycle Club was set up for like minded members who want to get together to ride and socialize with other bikers with similar interests. We are an informal, social club built on a foundation of ex-African members. Our emblem includes a caricature of an African Eagle and indicates the countries our founding members originally came from, but our ‘Africanism’ is simply our beginning! Our club is not exclusively ex-African and we welcome contact from any biker interested in meeting our members. "

!
I THINK THE KKK HAVE A SIMILAR POSITIVE MESSAGE ON THEIR WEBSITE

outlawtorn
26th January 2006, 20:00
I THINK THE KKK HAVE A SIMILAR POSITIVE MESSAGE ON THEIR WEBSITE
so narrow minded and also very immature.....good luck with the rest of your life buddy, one day we'll meet.....

WINJA
26th January 2006, 20:36
:whocares: :cry: :cry:
so narrow minded and also very immature.....good luck with the rest of your life buddy, one day we'll meet.....

sennandy
28th January 2006, 03:10
I was in a club when I lived on the Isle of Man, some of you who have been to the Isle of Man may know them the Moddey Dhoo MCC, well we all wore and they still do wear a back patch, I decided to put top and bottom rockers on mine and we all thought it looked good so it became a club thing.

40,000 bikers go to the Isle of Man every year for TT, and lots of so called gangs, we used to get requests from them if they could wear their patches and we didn't mind as we were a club for drinking then riding bikes and also having fun, but mainly drinking and having fun.

We got on well with everyone had great fun in the process, I have attached a copy of the patch, which was wore on the back. We went to rallies such as Bull Dog Bash, Rock n Blues and always asked if we could wear our patches and were never turned down, that is the way with these people all they want is power, give them a little respect and they love it.

Over here is not really ment to be as bad as things are over there with the bike gangs etc. anymore,

I must admit though they do put on the best rallies around and I for one will be attending them when I get to Kiwi land, less my cut off, which I will get framed.

Andy

24791

TLDV8
28th January 2006, 08:36
I didn't read the whole thread........ Japanese Cruiser rider with patch...patched dickhead on a HD no doubt... not hard to see where the problem was ????..some things will never change and it doesn't take a novel to spell it out.

Motoracer
28th January 2006, 09:19
When Pyrocam organised that city ride that time and I came to show off on my push bike, I saw you SW, from the back with your patched jacket... "I was like, HO who's that gang member dude?" Then you extend your hand to me for a high five cause you recognised me and I didn't even come close to you as I was scared, till I saw who you were under the lid. :laugh:

vs04
29th January 2006, 06:12
Here,s a thought.If this gang member took such a disliking to sw patch then way didnt he do something about it instead of giving the finger and been abusive.Oh yeah thats right,he didnt have twenty of his mates to back him up.Says it all really dose,nt it.

SlashWylde
29th January 2006, 10:11
When Pyrocam organised that city ride that time and I came to show off on my push bike, I saw you SW, from the back with your patched jacket... "I was like, HO who's that gang member dude?" Then you extend your hand to me for a high five cause you recognised me and I didn't even come close to you as I was scared, till I saw who you were under the lid. :laugh:

LOL I remember that! I wondered why you gave me a funny look and were a bit stand-offish. Shows how oblivious I was to my own look. :slap:

SlashWylde
29th January 2006, 10:13
...40,000 bikers go to the Isle of Man every year for TT, and lots of so called gangs, we used to get requests from them if they could wear their patches and we didn't mind as we were a club for drinking then riding bikes and also having fun, but mainly drinking and having fun.

We got on well with everyone had great fun in the process...

That's cool man. Wish we had a more accepting scene here.

Patrick
29th January 2006, 13:11
All of which begs the question of why society is prepared to put up with being exploited by these neanderthal baboons. Drug dealing, violence, rape and lots of other stuff, you say? So, why don't the cops take them out? I thought that was what we had a police force for? I'm certain the cops wouldn't object. Wouldn't be hard, give me a dozen coppers with balls, and a couple of big trucks and some RSJs and I'd chase 'em up and down the country until they were either in gaol for life or left the country.They wouldn't have time for any drug dealing or other such before the trucks burst through their walls again. So where are the soft cocks who have given the order to leave them alone?

Gideon TAIT in the 70s did just that...booted in doors in the small hours and roughed them up leaving with ultimatums..."We'll be back..." or summit similar to the Terminator quote.

Sadly, tree hugging cardie wearers made laws to ensure the absolutely guilty were fully protected from Gideons boys. Some call it the Bill Of Rights Act 1990.

There was recently something like it at a prison with a flying squad who sorted out "difficult prisoners" and that too was stomped out...damn shame on both fronts really.

Beaut call though...gotta love that... :2thumbsup :clap: :woohoo:

Jackrat
29th January 2006, 19:30
That's cool man. Wish we had a more accepting scene here.

SW the patch set you have has actualy been behind a number murders and beatings in the USA just resently.There's been a lot of traffic about it on the "outsiders news" web site.
I suggest you go there an do a search.
What's happened is that the Outlaws MC colors are very similar and their members have been staking out the concerts of this band that sells them.
They've been forcably removing them from fans and in a couple of cases people have lost their lives.I think they were stabbed.
When you say you wish the scene here was more accepting,I agree but you wouldn't get away with it in any of the other countrys I've visted either.
Personaly I think your patch set looks cool but some wallys like to read things into situations that just arn't there.
Lesson learnt huh.
Cheers an rock on.

SlashWylde
30th January 2006, 16:27
Thanks for that JR. Did a bit of searching, didn't find any info describing murders but yeah there was a few posts on Bikernews.net and quite a long thread about the Manchester show on Bikersweb.co.uk

Pretty heavy.

I checked out some pictures of the gang in question and yes there is a strong resemblance between theirs and the BLS patch set.

Given that there is a well established chapter of this particular MC in NZ I ain't gonna be caught wearing my patch set out on a ride. I'll stick to wearing it when I'm on stage with all my mates around me where it belongs.

Waylander
31st January 2006, 17:40
Meh, have had a few run ins with the FF here in Tauranga. Get along with them well and they leave me alone for the most part dispite me riding a jappa. It's the other gang that I'm havin' trouble with. Found my bike pushed over the other day.

Finn
31st January 2006, 17:58
It's the other gang that I'm havin' trouble with. Found my bike pushed over the other day.

Yeah the retired folk in Tauranga sure get nasty at times.

Scorpygirl
31st January 2006, 18:03
Meh, have had a few run ins with the FF here in Tauranga. Get along with them well and they leave me alone for the most part dispite me riding a jappa. It's the other gang that I'm havin' trouble with. Found my bike pushed over the other day.

Watch the "Golden Oldies" gang mate, they are lethal on those mobility scooters. :shit: They will knock your bike over in a flash and not look back! :killingme

mstriumph
31st January 2006, 18:47
so narrow minded and also very immature.....good luck with the rest of your life buddy, one day we'll meet.....

- actually, i think he won that one?

marion [british/nz lived in RSA 12 years] -

.......but can't say i'm not rascist as i don't much like the french ... well, that is, apart from the french along the coast of normandie 'cause we are more or less related ..... and, of course, totally excluding mr froggyfrenchman and any other bike-type persons of french persuasion or extraction who may frequent this site .....

- erm - think wat i am trying to say is "lighten up" ??

:rofl: sorry - couldn't resist it .... ... "lighten up" chortle, chortle....

SlashWylde
1st February 2006, 17:08
...but can't say i'm not rascist as i don't much like the french ... well, that is, apart from the french along the coast of normandie 'cause we are more or less related ..... and, of course, totally excluding mr froggyfrenchman and any other bike-type persons of french persuasion or extraction who may frequent this site ....

Ça me fait un grand plaisir madamoiselle triumph!! :msn-wink:

A tout à l'heure...

mstriumph
1st February 2006, 17:20
.......or people who have french windows ... or like french pastries ....

or

or.......

Waylander
1st February 2006, 17:22
Yeah the retired folk in Tauranga sure get nasty at times.

Watch the "Golden Oldies" gang mate, they are lethal on those mobility scooters. :shit: They will knock your bike over in a flash and not look back! :killingme

I thought that old hag in with the zimmer frame looked shady....




Ça me fait un grand plaisir madamoiselle triumph!! :msn-wink:

A tout à l'heure...

Huh?

Ixion
1st February 2006, 18:32
..



Huh?

'Tis French. They never learned to talk proper. Goodie, does this mean that I can hi-jack this thread into another Latin pissing contest?

terbang
1st February 2006, 19:18
Anyone for Indonesian.? German.?

Shadows
1st February 2006, 23:01
I dunno. How can you be so naive? You wear a patch that looks like a patch that somebody wearing a patch could easily get upset about and you obviously are trying to portray the patch wearing gangster image because the similarity is definately no accident, plus you're riding a bike, any bike will do but what you are on would help to perpetuate this "wannabe" image you're going for... and then you get all upset when you get hassled by a real patch wearing gang member??? Yeah okay a lot of these guys are clowns but most of them also had to go through a whole heap of shit to earn both their patches and acceptance into a group that more often then not exists exclusively in a world that rarely encroaches on the rest of "normal" society anyway. It means something to these guys, and all you did was sew it on.
Way to get both sides against you I reckon. I'm surprised you weren't beaten with little old ladies' handbags because you would have offended the shit out of them as well.
Stand back and take a look at the while picture dude. And FFS take the jacket off unless you are prepared to live up to the image. I suspect that this guy read a whole lot more from your appearance than "ug, a patch, must get aggro", in fact I suspect he saw straight through it, something almost nobody here seems to recognise or give him credit for, probably because of their years of mainstream society conditioning which says "gang member = bad, no brain". Otherwise the story would have likely turned out a whole lot different. It sounds like he was giving you a warning, and you heeded it without even realising you were just doing as he was suggesting in his own uncouth way.
Yes you were a dumbass for wearing it.

SlashWylde
2nd February 2006, 17:35
Well actually I'm not naive, I acknowledged from the first post that the patch set looks like a MC set. My point was that it doesn't have an MC logo or regional affilliation hence my inquiry.

Where did I say I'm trying to portray a "wannabe" gangster image? Nowhere. What I said was that I was wearing the emblem of one of my favourite bands. I enjoyed doing this because it is part of the iconography of this particular group, I am a big fan of Zakk Wylde (hence my KB moniker) and I belive I own one of the only BLS patch sets in the country. Vain I know but we all are to a greater or lesser extent - at least I acknowledge mine.

What I did say is that "I've never really thought much about MC gangs as their activities don't interest me" Before posting this thread I didn't know how their culture works or their system for attaining acceptance into the gang family and the awarding of a patch set. Now I do.

I have stood back and looked at the whole picture and I've already stated that I won't wear the vest on the bike or in general public areas.

I recognise that I got off lightly considering the social gravity of my actions and in fact I'm grateful to the gang member who with 8 simple words, but no use of fists, explained instantly to me that what I was doing was not acceptable and prompted me to learn why - hence this thread.

Do me a favour and actually read the thread before making your scathing and ill-informed remarks.

SARGE
2nd February 2006, 17:52
Why didn't you just get off your bike and kick the sh*t out of him? He was probably high on P at the time and may not even remember you the next day.


i woulda.....

WINJA
2nd February 2006, 18:05
i woulda.....NO YOU WOULDNT CAUSE THEY DONT PICK ON NUTTERS LIKE YOU

Shadows
2nd February 2006, 23:41
Do me a favour and actually read the thread before making your scathing and ill-informed remarks.

Yes I did read the thread and I also read between the lines.
Scathing maybe, for that I'll apologise if it upset you that much.
Sorry. You asked the question, I answered it as I saw it.

Ill-informed? I wasn't the one who thought it would be okay to wear a look-alike gang patch out in public especially on a bike!
Whats next, selling bacon sandwiches outside a synagogue? Trying to smuggle a boogie board bag full of pot into Indonesia? Wrapping yourself in copper wire and running around in a thunderstorm?

Holy Roller
3rd February 2006, 15:55
Wrapping yourself in copper wire and running around in a thunderstorm?

Now that IS something to try:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The_Dover
3rd February 2006, 16:05
Whats next, selling bacon sandwiches outside a synagogue?

Now you mention it Sarge and I were going to do a sausage sizzle outside the local mosque on September 11th to raise money to buy George W. bombs for his war on terror.:ar15:

Every two million sausages sold buys another cruise missile.

Come on fat boy, you can manage another..........

SlashWylde
3rd February 2006, 16:15
Yes I did read the thread and I also read between the lines.
Scathing maybe, for that I'll apologise if it upset you that much.
Sorry. You asked the question, I answered it as I saw it.

Ill-informed? I wasn't the one who thought it would be okay to wear a look-alike gang patch out in public especially on a bike!
Whats next, selling bacon sandwiches outside a synagogue? Trying to smuggle a boogie board bag full of pot into Indonesia? Wrapping yourself in copper wire and running around in a thunderstorm?

LOL it takes a lot more than that to upset me. Guess I was a bit irritable tho. And you did make some valid points...

Aaanyway, I reckon this topic has been well & truly bashed to death, lessons learned etc.

*bump*

Shadows
3rd February 2006, 18:56
Now you mention it Sarge and I were going to do a sausage sizzle outside the local mosque on September 11th to raise money to buy George W. bombs for his war on terror.:ar15:

Every two million sausages sold buys another cruise missile.

Come on fat boy, you can manage another..........

Excellent idea. I'm in. I'll flog a whole heap of tea towels from work, we can wrap them around our heads and nobody will suspect a thing!

Scouse
3rd February 2006, 19:36
Excellent idea. I'm in. I'll flog a whole heap of tea towels from work, we can wrap them around our heads and nobody will suspect a thing!
What about a ham sandwich stall outside a synergog err Jew Church

Shadows
3rd February 2006, 20:02
LOL it takes a lot more than that to upset me. Guess I was a bit irritable tho. And you did make some valid points...

Aaanyway, I reckon this topic has been well & truly bashed to death, lessons learned etc.

*bump*

No worries, be careful out there man.

montsta56
13th February 2006, 18:34
you should have smacked him, most of those guy's think there harder than they actually are:ar15:

Jackrat
14th February 2006, 19:38
you should have smacked him, most of those guy's think there harder than they actually are:ar15:

But what if he's one of the ones that is ??.:pinch:

Shadows
14th February 2006, 20:14
But what if he's one of the ones that is ??.:pinch:

Then you break your hand.

Lias
15th February 2006, 14:04
Then he breaks the rest of your bones.

Oh and that TOA -Aotearoa patch.. wasnt that the "fictional" *cough* blackpower *cough* gang from once were warriors/what became of the broken hearted?

Dazza
15th February 2006, 14:42
Oh and that TOA -Aotearoa patch.. wasnt that the "fictional" *cough* blackpower *cough* gang from once were warriors/what became of the broken hearted?[/QUOTE]
Your sharp,it was a piss take. Fictional-yes,Once were Warriors-yes,Black Power-no.Mate of mine who did the leather work for Lord Of the Rings and Last Samari found it in props (orginal was a spray painted cloth item) and decided to make it out of leather and did a bloody good job,wore it to a Gangster party,was very consious not to wear it on the Street for all of the above reasons,didn't wanted to get stabbed by some dumbarse !!!;)

MissFitz
16th February 2006, 09:17
:brick: "Rapists, theives, burglar, peddles dugs to kids" I'm so saddened that my first post here has to be in response to someone who has made ignorant comments.......Hubbys a patched member who has worked all his life, never been to jail, dos'nt raise a finger let alone rape someone!, would'nt steal cause he knows what its like to have something stolen, and would never peddle drugs to kids.......hes a kind man, with a passion for bikes & riding with his friends whos hes been riding with for ova 15 years!, hes a great dad & grandad and would bend over backwards to help anyone in need. ***Remember what you see might not be what you get***

buellbabe
16th February 2006, 09:24
ONYA! Some balance... I too know patched members who are some of the nicest blokes in my circle of friends and they always go out of their way to look after me.

Paul in NZ
16th February 2006, 09:39
Good onya for posting! Nice to have a contrary opinion.

I've always thought that good people are good people and arseholes are arseholes, sadly they don't come labelled for easy identification but they show themselves by their actions, not their clothing....

Statistically, I'd say that there are more non patched arseholes out there than patched ones and if I look back, I've had far more harm done to me personally by people wearing business suits than people in cut off's.. Not to say that a lot of gangs do harbour evil doers (lets face it, not all the news reports can be that wrong)

So... Treat everyone fairly until they crap on you and then.... Well, "By their actions you will know them'....

SwanTiger
16th February 2006, 10:27
Slash, you should of just got off the bike, ripped off your helmet and screamed "What the fuck bitch?" and proceeded to bash him with your helmet.

You could always change your leathers, number plate and repaint your bike aftwards. You'd neeed to.

Plastic Surgery wouldn't go amiss either.

PROBLEM SOLVED !!

scumdog
16th February 2006, 11:06
Slash, you should of just got off the bike, ripped off your helmet and screamed "What the fuck bitch?" and proceeded to bash him with your helmet.

You could always change your leathers, number plate and repaint your bike aftwards. You'd neeed to.

Plastic Surgery wouldn't go amiss either.

PROBLEM SOLVED !!

Always amazing how those that just want to be left alone "cos we ain't doing no harm to nobody" can't leave others alone??:scratch:

Paul in NZ
16th February 2006, 11:15
Always amazing how those that just want to be left alone "cos we ain't doing no harm to nobody" can't leave others alone??:scratch:

Yes, true, but you could apply that thinking to most of the corporates as well.... :buggerd:

ManDownUnder
16th February 2006, 11:26
Just think of it as a brand war... with blood thrown in.

Yeah - wear something that can be interpreted as a patch, and "not one of us" and you'll ghet shit for it.

Sad but true.

HenryDorsetCase
16th February 2006, 11:36
Whats next, selling bacon sandwiches outside a synagogue? Trying to smuggle a boogie board bag full of pot into Indonesia? Wrapping yourself in copper wire and running around in a thunderstorm?

Hey can I get a couple of bacon sandwiches with extra relish and a can of Coke to go?

cheers.

Shadows
16th February 2006, 23:45
Sure. Can you make me one too? :blip:

Ixion
17th February 2006, 09:40
Can you do egg and cress ?

okill
17th December 2006, 12:58
is it not illegal to promote a criminal organization? down here in kapiti i know they bust you for wearing anything that looks like a gang patch.

ironhed
19th December 2006, 08:14
dude zakk wylde is fu#$in awsome
but unfortunatley you live in new zealand where you have no right to individualityor freedom of expression as for the gangs well u cant blame em realy it looks like a patch,if any thing you were lucky there are a people who wont act all tough and abuse you but just put a knife in ya ribs
remember not all gangs were created equal

mitchilin
19th December 2006, 20:16
About ten years ago in Dargaville a guy got shot for wearing a Lion Red tee-shirt.(Some of the details may be a little off,it was a while ago)Some local Black Power thought he was Mongrel Mob and they killed him.My missus won't let me wear red if we go down the line.It's not worth the aggro.I won't even wear my Kawasaki black jersey cause of idiots looking for trouble.

Biggles2000
25th December 2006, 21:18
Don't do it man. I can't see any reason why you would want to be mastaken for a gang member. Its not worth landing yourself in the kind of trouble, like Mitchilin said "its not worth the aggro".

cynna
25th December 2006, 22:27
i have a few band t shirts that could be mistaken for gang affiliations - i always get some idiot wanting to have a go - especially at the blues bar


if u wear something like the bls society patch then u must expect some sort of flak. probably more so from the police.......

SlashWylde
27th December 2006, 11:48
Damm...nearly a year on and this thread is still goin. :laugh:

I appreciate the advise folks but rest assured, I only wear the vest a couple times a year at gigs where the other patrons know what it's all about. Like for example the BLS show a few months back. Rest of the time it has pride of place on my bedroom wall as a piece of treasured rock memorabilia.

Aitch
27th December 2006, 15:12
In Aus have instructed their members not to wear their club 'patches' with the top and bottom rockers because one of the Aussie gangs has promised to do great damage to anyone seen wearing them. To the Aussies gangs (and presumably any other gangs) it is a gross transgression of their "code" to wear rockers without actually belonging to a gang!!!!!!
A sad example of how a pile of lowlife thugs can impose their will on ordinary folks.........

woodybee
28th December 2006, 09:22
Cripes, just shows how much the ill-educated cant see further than the end of their handlebars eh!

What a shame that this still goes on, I am just sewin a patch on the back of my jacket, and if some of these "aggressive types" point the finger at me, then the laugh will be on them,......"Are you sitting comfortable children? as I shall explain why."

The caption "Are you stitting comfortably" comes from my past as a kid growing up in the UK, it introduced 'childrens hour' on TV and as such we'd all sit down in font of the TV and watch things like (this wont mean anything to Kiwis), Magic Roundabout, Captain Pugwash, (now I know why I have an avid interest in Priates!!)Jackanory, blimey the list goes on.

Anyway, the Magic Roundabout, must have surely been based on someones antics in the 60's (flower power etc.,) as they devised a number of whacky characters, there was the dopey (or looking back knowing what I know now!!) doped up Rabbit called Dillon, Brian the Snail, Florence a chick and my favourite this geezer with a round red face, and a moustache, who was positioned on a big coiled spring, and everytimee he said something he spring off into the distance. A rather groovy character I thought) The name of this Iconic gent is Zebedee!!

So, when I was up in Auckland recently, I saw the said Zebedee Patch sitting up in Patchwork heaven on the wall and simply had to but it, so clapped my hands, purchased the patch and theen went about the challenging task of adhering the said patch onto my jacket.

I firstly went and tried to iron it on, and stuffed (burnt a hole) on my patch (so the patch will now have another patch to disguise the burnt bit!) and nearly killed my mates iron.

I purchased a leather sewing needle and now have hands like an experiment for a student studying acupunture, but havent as yet hit any pleasure domes on my hands to release good feelings, only feeling of frustration, as its taking so long to sew the pigging thing on.

So if a big burly biker wants to act aggressive over my zebedee patch, then I shall no doubt fall off my triumph in fits of giggles, as who could get aggressive over a childrens charater.

Having said that though Zebedee has plasters on his face, which could be construed to make him look like a bruiser.

So thought you would like to share my tale on my patch!! bit of weird story but there you go.

Coi 4 now dude,

Woodybee AKA Jan. HAPPY NEW YEAR, or rather happy in between bit !!:rockon: :Punk:

PS wish someone would change my "Sccooterboy" thing, as I am a chcick, not a chap!

Shadows
28th December 2006, 09:31
The caption "Are you sitting comfortably?" comes from my past as a kid growing up in the UK, it introduced 'childrens' hour' on TV and as such we'd all sit down in front of the TV and watch things like (this wont mean anything to Kiwis), Magic Roundabout, Captain Pugwash, (now I know why I have an avid interest in Priates!!)Jackanory, blimey the list goes on.

I think we had all of those shows. I certainly remember The Magic Roundabout. I thought it was queer even back then!

Waylander
28th December 2006, 22:24
Damm...nearly a year on and this thread is still goin. :laugh:

I appreciate the advise folks but rest assured, I only wear the vest a couple times a year at gigs where the other patrons know what it's all about. Like for example the BLS show a few months back. Rest of the time it has pride of place on my bedroom wall as a piece of treasured rock memorabilia.
I still want to wear it at some point.

Toaster
29th December 2006, 13:09
DUDE! Quite simply it looks like a Patch. Are you really that surprised? There is a rigidly adhered to ettiquette amongst the various gangs and they all "control" ( in their little worlds anyway! ) ...
BTW its a cool patch but wearing it while riding is gonna attract attention!:yes: :rockon:

Agreed on all fronts. Some cop bikers looked at using blue knights patches (international police riders club), but that would have been opening a real can of worms.... you can't realistically expect gang members to not get annoyed about similar 'takeoffs' as they work damn hard at breaking the law to earn their patches.

suzuki21
29th December 2006, 13:50
Its a shame how childish gangs are. I even get the evils wearing a shirt with a fiery skull on the back, yes the Metallica one. We should be able to wear what we like, as for gangs "earning" their patch, we work to EARN MONEY to pay for our clothes. Well done on the BLS jacket, I considered getting one at the concert but thought of possible repercusions from wearing it so got the doom crew top instead. Did you know Zakk won best dressed and most valuable guitarist at the recent rock gods awards?
Wanganui has problems with the Slack powa and hells onions, the power are even attacking old people on hogs as everyone riding a harley is a gang member right?

outlawtorn
3rd January 2007, 07:43
I've been wearing my denim jacket over my leather jacket now for a long time, with my MetallicA "Master Of Puppets" backpatch and so far no one has given me the slightest amount of shit, I know the day will come when there will be shit, but I refuse to be intimidated by some low life thugs......:rockon:

jrandom
3rd January 2007, 08:38
I want a jacket with a backpatch that says "OSCAR WILDE APPRECIATION SOCIETY" around a logo of a limp wrist.

Chisanga
3rd January 2007, 09:28
I want a jacket with a backpatch that says "OSCAR WILDE APPRECIATION SOCIETY" around a logo of a limp wrist.

After a long stint in jail i'm sure most gang members are de facto members of the "OSCAR WILDE APPRECIATION SOCIETY" whether they know it or not :p

davereid
3rd January 2007, 09:30
What I cant understand is why the halfwits put their patch on their back. If it was mirror image, stuck to their bellys I might see it ....

notme
3rd January 2007, 09:40
I've been wearing my denim jacket over my leather jacket now for a long time, with my MetallicA "Master Of Puppets" backpatch and so far no one has given me the slightest amount of shit, I know the day will come when there will be shit, but I refuse to be intimidated by some low life thugs......:rockon:

I'm sure even the dregs of society such as gang members and lawyers know who MetallicA are though....wheras BLS are a teeny bit less well known :rockon:

Chisanga
3rd January 2007, 09:45
I'm sure even the dregs of society such as gang members and lawyers know who MetallicA are though....wheras BLS are a teeny bit less well known :rockon:

You are assuming literacy (for both gang members AND lawyers) :Punk:

Waylander
3rd January 2007, 10:01
I'm sure even the dregs of society such as gang members and lawyers know who MetallicA are though....wheras BLS are a teeny bit less well known :rockon:
Couple of my work mates don't know who Metallica is.

I'll soon remedy that though.

cynna
3rd January 2007, 11:01
you would probably get shit from anyone wearing a metalica patch - its not the 80s anymore

outlawtorn
3rd January 2007, 21:30
you would probably get shit from anyone wearing a metalica patch - its not the 80s anymore

dammit - no one told me!!!!! :shit: I thought Billy Idol was keeping rather quiet!

Insanity_rules
4th January 2007, 08:20
I want a jacket with a backpatch that says "OSCAR WILDE APPRECIATION SOCIETY" around a logo of a limp wrist.

You HAVE to post a pic if you do, that would be sooo funny.

SlashWylde
4th January 2007, 09:56
Its a shame how childish gangs are. I even get the evils wearing a shirt with a fiery skull on the back, yes the Metallica one. We should be able to wear what we like, as for gangs "earning" their patch, we work to EARN MONEY to pay for our clothes.

Amen to that.


Well done on the BLS jacket, I considered getting one at the concert but thought of possible repercusions from wearing it so got the doom crew top instead. Did you know Zakk won best dressed and most valuable guitarist at the recent rock gods awards?

Ah well, you can still buy a patch set or ready patched denim vest from the BLS store online. 'S wot I did.

And yeah I read that news about the rock awards, 'on ya Zakk...bleed Black Label!


Wanganui has problems with the Slack powa and hells onions, the power are even attacking old people on hogs as everyone riding a harley is a gang member right?

Oh, of course they are. Was contemplating buying a VROC patch for my leather jacket (if I had the money...) being an avowed Vulcan owner and rider. Would be interesting to see if I got any stick from the local MC gangs in my area. Incidentally, the local chapters usually give me a friendly nod when passing by or stopped at the lights. See, not all Harley riding badasses are snobs :msn-wink:

Lias
9th January 2007, 14:53
3 piece patches were created by outlaw MC's to differentiate themselves from normal bikers, so I can understand somewhat why they object to ANY 3 piece patch, because in their eyes any 3 piece patch says your an outlaw too.

Some info at:
http://newfoundlandbiker.com/Etiquette/history3patch.htm

SlashWylde
5th March 2007, 15:36
This (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10427095&ref=rss)Herald article makes for interesting reading.

"Flaunting of the gang paraphernalia is an act of intimidation and any bylaw which gives the authorities the ability to limit or even, hopefully, eliminate such obvious paraphernalia is a small but significant step towards reclaiming the streets for law-abiding New Zealanders." - New Zealand Police Association president Greg O'Connor.

OK, cool, sounds like a positive step towards controlling gang behavior. Question in my mind is: who gets to decide which patches are those worn by criminal outlaw gangs, and which are the ones worn by legitimate motorcycle clubs, and therefore which should be banned? Who decides what constitutes gang paraphernalia?

I'm off to a Hatebreed concert tonight. You can guarantee there is gonna be a large number of aggro looking youth pouring into the city wearing Hatebreed T-shirts. Does that mean we constitute a gang? If so are we not allowed to wear our T-shirts in public? Where does it end?

The attached patch belonging to a large and fearsome MC springs to mind..... ;-)

SlashWylde
5th March 2007, 15:48
Or how about this one...? Is an eagle OK?

SlashWylde
5th March 2007, 15:51
Or my personal favorite...

scumdog
5th March 2007, 15:52
The above two are a one-piece patch vs the three-piece 'outlaw' patches, therein lies the difference.

SlashWylde
5th March 2007, 15:57
The above two are a one-piece patch vs the three-piece 'outlaw' patches, therein lies the difference.

True. You, know that, I know that, but does the average Kiwi? I seem to recall in this very thread a member recounting a story of how a lady came into an AA office or some such shaking with fear because her car had hit a scary leather-clad biker wearing a gang patch. When pressed for details she revealed that the name of the gang was the Ulysses MC, much to the amusement of all present.

I'm not going to nitpick over trivial details, and I'm certainly not in support of criminal gangs, but my point is that when the powers that be start telling us what we can and can't wear then we've got a problem.

The other part of the issue is the interpretation of such a law. The general subject falls under the heading of "Patches Worn by Bikers". So say that sometime down the track when I'm wandering around in town with my Vulcan Riders Owners Club patch on my vest, wearing all my leathers, and an officer of the law sees my patch and stops me. Who's to say that he won't use his interpretation of the law banning gang patches to move me on or give me a hard time?

A similar scenario exists allready in many malls around the country where 'hoodies' are banned. Say I'm out for a jog. It's cold and I'm wearing my tracksuit with hoodie covering my head. I get thirsty, and since I'm going past the local mall I decide to go in to find a bottle of water. Mr Security Guard sees my hoodie and pulls me up for breaking the rules. See where I'm going with this...

Motu
5th March 2007, 16:03
[QUOTE=SlashWylde; You can guarantee there is gonna be a large number of aggro looking youth pouring into the city wearing Hatebreed T-shirts. Does that mean we constitute a gang? [/QUOTE]

You are lucky you didn't live in the wild '70's - that would be considered unlawful assembly....and there was a law against that.If you worn dirty clothes and didn't cut your hair...and rode a motorcycle with a few mates you were open for harasment by the Cops.But we didn't complain....was part of the game.

NordieBoy
5th March 2007, 16:05
The above two are a one-piece patch vs the three-piece 'outlaw' patches, therein lies the difference.

Yep, just like a 1 piece swimsuit vs a 3 piece 'outlaw' swimsuit.

:yes:

SlashWylde
5th March 2007, 16:16
You are lucky you didn't live in the wild '70's - that would be considered unlawful assembly....and there was a law against that.If you worn dirty clothes and didn't cut your hair...and rode a motorcycle with a few mates you were open for harasment by the Cops.But we didn't complain....was part of the game.

Interesting. Sounds like we live in more liberal times then, at least as far as these issues are concerned.

Anyway I'm not wanting to sound paranoid about the proposed bill, and I'd like to think in this country such a law would be soundly thought-out, but it made me think out loud about some of the issues surrounding such legislation.

Jabez
5th March 2007, 19:18
True. You, know that, I know that, but does the average Kiwi? I seem to recall in this very thread a member recounting a story of how a lady came into an AA office or some such shaking with fear because her car had hit a scary leather-clad biker wearing a gang patch. When pressed for details she revealed that the name of the gang was the Ulysses MC, much to the amusement of all present.

I'm not going to nitpick over trivial details, and I'm certainly not in support of criminal gangs, but my point is that when the powers that be start telling us what we can and can't wear then we've got a problem.

The other part of the issue is the interpretation of such a law. The general subject falls under the heading of "Patches Worn by Bikers". So say that sometime down the track when I'm wandering around in town with my Vulcan Riders Owners Club patch on my vest, wearing all my leathers, and an officer of the law sees my patch and stops me. Who's to say that he won't use his interpretation of the law banning gang patches to move me on or give me a hard time?

A similar scenario exists allready in many malls around the country where 'hoodies' are banned. Say I'm out for a jog. It's cold and I'm wearing my tracksuit with hoodie covering my head. I get thirsty, and since I'm going past the local mall I decide to go in to find a bottle of water. Mr Security Guard sees my hoodie and pulls me up for breaking the rules. See where I'm going with this...

um....What would a cop do when he pulled me for wearing my Colours??:innocent:

sunhuntin
5th March 2007, 19:22
Interesting. Sounds like we live in more liberal times then, at least as far as these issues are concerned.

Anyway I'm not wanting to sound paranoid about the proposed bill, and I'd like to think in this country such a law would be soundly thought-out, but it made me think out loud about some of the issues surrounding such legislation.

im against the whole idea. i like the patches for the simple fact it makes id easy in case something goes wrong. like that huge war here last year, the moves of each person was easy to identify cos of the patches, rather than hearing "this greasy guy did this to this greasy guy, who was also kicked by this other greasy guy"
there are a decent number of gang run ins here, which is bad thing, but the patches make catching and convicting easier.

Smorg
5th March 2007, 19:23
[URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10427095&ref=rss"]
I'm off to a Hatebreed concert tonight. You can guarantee there is gonna be a large number of aggro looking youth pouring into the city;-)

YOu serious? kids that listen to death metal are usually the most meek looking people ever

Bonez
5th March 2007, 20:04
DOES DAINESE COUNT , ME AND LOTS OF OTHERS HAVE THIS ON THE BACK OF OUR JACKETS , YEAH IM A BAD ARSE I THREW A CHEWING GUM WRAPPER OUT MY CAR WINDOWTry a banana peel next time.

Loopy
5th March 2007, 22:16
Is anyone else sick of this whole 'biker gang' thing. The term gang should not be a term used to describe people like ourselves who have a passion for motorcycling and enjoy riding with our peers. The word gang to me pertains to the streets where young fucks get off with beating people up for the hell of it because they have nothing else better to do and the like that we have seen in the news recently. This term I feel should not be linked to the biker community. Many of us are members of motorcycle clubs, social groups, regional and national chapters, and have at some point been associated with other biker 'gangs' because of a run they might have been holding or because of friends and or business. But what the Herald and other media groups fail to recognise is that although these 'gangs' have had bad press in the past most of them now give back to the community. You very rarely read in the paper about an event a 'gang' or 'club' has hosted for a charity, or the programmes that they set up for children after school, or gymns they run. Perhaps the media could focus on that instead of branding us all and all of our clubs as 'gangs'? Perhaps they coud do some good with their media reports and go look for answers as to why all these young punk teenage wannabe gang members keep getting away with beating up and killing people on our streets and then all they get is a smack on the hand? How many murders and brutal assaults have there been in South Auckland in the last 6months? They should be focussing their attention on something worthwhile!

outlawtorn
6th March 2007, 10:24
Or how about this one...? Is an eagle OK?

aaahhh, those bloody saffers, always causing shit in Auckland, what with their Browns Bay South African festival, flinging their biltong all over the place and tempting young kiwi ladies with their boerewors....it's all just terrible!!!

sunhuntin
6th March 2007, 11:27
Perhaps they coud do some good with their media reports and go look for answers as to why all these young punk teenage wannabe gang members keep getting away with beating up and killing people on our streets and then all they get is a smack on the hand? How many murders and brutal assaults have there been in South Auckland in the last 6months? They should be focussing their attention on something worthwhile!

agreed... the big rumble here a year ago was front page news for weeks... yet the toy run held by ulysses and the triumph club doesnt even get a mention. neither do any of their other charity runs through out the year.

actually, the first triumph charity ride i took part in, there was shit slung cos the monies raised were deposited into the nominated account, then it was found they wouldnt go where they were meant to. the money was withdrawn, and hand delivered to the recipient in auckland hospital. then the people who took their time, bikes and money to auckland, were accused of stealing the moolah to spend on their bikes. :shutup:

SlashWylde
6th March 2007, 11:48
YOu serious? kids that listen to death metal are usually the most meek looking people ever

This is sometimes true. Thing is, Hatebreed aren't a death metal band. They are a hardcore punk/metalcore band. Point is, such a band attracts a different crowd to a death metal gig which commponly attracts younger types who dress-up and wear lots of make-up etc. I was there last night, and to re-iterate my point, many of the male punters were fairly staunch looking dudes, plenty of shaved heads and long goatees - better for moshing you see...

Anyway, back on topic...

mstriumph
6th March 2007, 11:59
agreed... the big rumble here a year ago was front page news for weeks... yet the toy run held by ulysses and the triumph club doesnt even get a mention. neither do any of their other charity runs through out the year.

actually, the first triumph charity ride i took part in, there was shit slung cos the monies raised were deposited into the nominated account, then it was found they wouldnt go where they were meant to. the money was withdrawn, and hand delivered to the recipient in auckland hospital. then the people who took their time, bikes and money to auckland, were accused of stealing the moolah to spend on their bikes. :shutup:

it is one of the sad facts of life that good people doing good stuff for good reasons just ISN'T 'news' ..........

it is another sad fact that recipient of charity money think they have the right to do what the hell they like with contributions irrespective of what they've SAID they will do with them ............. GOVERNMENT??!! :shutup: ]

anyway - good on the triumph mob for having the backbone to DO something about it and make sure the donations got into the right hands rather than just bleating about it [pity they couldn't have forseen the backlash and got publicity out there to counter it 'though .......]

sunhuntin
6th March 2007, 19:30
it is one of the sad facts of life that good people doing good stuff for good reasons just ISN'T 'news' ..........

it is another sad fact that recipient of charity money think they have the right to do what the hell they like with contributions irrespective of what they've SAID they will do with them ............. GOVERNMENT??!! :shutup: ]

anyway - good on the triumph mob for having the backbone to DO something about it and make sure the donations got into the right hands rather than just bleating about it [pity they couldn't have forseen the backlash and got publicity out there to counter it 'though .......]

yeh. was for a local woman who had a heart transplant. the money went towards helping her partner and young kids with accomodation in auckland. the local HOG chapter also took part [i rode bitch with a road captain of theirs] was a huge gathering, and well worth it.
ive attended each of the charity runs every year since [except 2004, when i was overseas] and the publicity hasnt increased.

s8306
6th March 2007, 20:07
yeh. was for a local woman who had a heart transplant. the money went towards helping her partner and young kids with accomodation in auckland. the local HOG chapter also took part [i rode bitch with a road captain of theirs] was a huge gathering, and well worth it.
ive attended each of the charity runs every year since [except 2004, when i was overseas] and the publicity hasnt increased.

We normally do a write up in one of the local rags before the event and after stateing how much money was raised and to what recipient it goes to.Last year it was the brain injury trust and we raised $3500 on the day which was well recieved.

sunhuntin
6th March 2007, 20:18
We normally do a write up in one of the local rags before the event and after stateing how much money was raised and to what recipient it goes to.Last year it was the brain injury trust and we raised $3500 on the day which was well recieved.

yeh....good day, other than the rain. lol. :scooter:

peasea
7th March 2007, 12:42
DUDE! Quite simply it looks like a Patch. Are you really that surprised? There is a rigidly adhered to ettiquette amongst the various gangs and they all "control" ( in their little worlds anyway! ) different parts of town and country. If you wanna start up yr own patched club you have to seek permission from other clubs. If you don't ... well ...its yr funeral!
A few years back HOG ( Harley Owners Group ) members started putting big back patches on their jackets and paid the price, some of the patches were forcibly removed. It sux but thats the way it is, personally I don't have any patches on my jkts, I am incognito with no apparent affilliations to any club/gang. I reckon thats why I have been able to mix freely with all types for so many years!
BTW its a cool patch but wearing it while riding is gonna attract attention!:yes: :rockon:

Quite right, incognito works. We go pretty much anywhere, anytime. I have just a couple of small patches on my jacket, one being a kiwi flag, about the size of a ciggie packet and a similarly-sized one denoting the model of my bike. Two things I'm proud of. It's a hell of a shame that motorcycle clubs have so often turned into gangs. The letters MC now turn people off.

MissFitz
8th March 2007, 12:40
Agreed on all fronts. Some cop bikers looked at using blue knights patches (international police riders club), but that would have been opening a real can of worms.... you can't realistically expect gang members to not get annoyed about similar 'takeoffs' as they work damn hard at breaking the law to earn their patches.

Hey hang on a sec, my man never broke the law to earn his colours, it was hard work, years and loyalty that got him where he his today. You cant tar all patch members with the same brush, each group has its own ideals and rules. I hate him being stereotyped as a bad one like many others out there, hes basically grown up in his scene with his mates who have now become just like extended family in our house. Im all for M.Laws banning patches from the city centre due to indimidation but as anyone with half a brain knows patches are to be worn on bikes, not in cars or on foot hanging around shops!

idleidolidyll
8th March 2007, 12:44
i see there is a move to ban gang patches in wanganui: more power to them

gang patches are worn as a symbol of pride and unity, take it away

BTW: i don't discriminate; christian 'gangs' too, dykes on bikes, ulysseus club gang etc etc

i wonder why the maori party is opposing htis?

The_Dover
8th March 2007, 12:53
YOu serious? kids that listen to death metal are usually the most meek looking people ever

Have you seen NO4SKN formerly known as TITWANK???

He's the hardest looking 13 year old girl I've ever seen.

scumdog
8th March 2007, 13:02
Agreed on all fronts. Some cop bikers looked at using blue knights patches (international police riders club), but that would have been opening a real can of worms.... you can't realistically expect gang members to not get annoyed about similar 'takeoffs' as they work damn hard at breaking the law to earn their patches.


It DID open a can of worms - hence why the guy trying to get Blue Knights started in NZ dropped the idea.

Those with a bit of clout with the shiney-bums in Bullshit Castle convinced the shiney-bums that Blue Knights were a bunch of Hells Angels look-a-likes who hated women etc etc. (Despite the head Blue Knight in the US being a woman).
Blue Knights are well known and respected in the USA, they are more like BRONZ (ie organise bike-ride training, do charity runs etc) than the Filthy Few but not good enough for NZ according to some..
"It would ruin the publice perception of Police" - yeah, like there ain't one or two REAL issues already doing that!!

idleidolidyll
8th March 2007, 13:05
quote=scumdog;966934] yeah, like there ain't one or two REAL issues already doing that!![/quote]

like tax collection disguised as road safety while robbery and thft go largely unattended?

like police abuse and the fact that police are policed by the police?

i for one have no respect

Smorg
8th March 2007, 13:08
Have you seen NO4SKN formerly known as TITWANK???

He's the hardest looking 13 year old girl I've ever seen.

Harder than this guy? http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=786079&postcount=422

scumdog
8th March 2007, 13:09
quote=scumdog;966934] yeah, like there ain't one or two REAL issues already doing that!!

like tax collection disguised as road safety while robbery and thft go largely unattended?

like police abuse and the fact that police are policed by the police?

i for one have no respect[/QUOTE]

Hmm, I'm sure I'll cope without your respect.........:rolleyes:

mstriumph
8th March 2007, 13:11
....................BTW: i don't discriminate; christian 'gangs' too, dykes on bikes, ulysseus club gang etc etc.......................




and the Country Women's Association - don't forget them!! The CWA is not only sexist but also an organized gang dedicated to chrochet-for-all and thrusting tea and scones on anyone who even remotely comes within thrusting distance at public gatherings!!

idleidolidyll
8th March 2007, 13:14
and the Country Women's Association - don't forget them!! The CWA is not only sexist but also an organized gang dedicated to chrochet-for-all and thrusting tea and scones on anyone who even remotely comes within thrusting distance at public gatherings!!

ahh, i see you've grokked the fullness of it

while we're at it, lets get rid of the political gangs too......the red ties and the blue ties and the green ties and the brown ties etc

and the police is nothing but a gang too albeit a gang legitimised by bastard politicians to impose arbitrary laws on us poor citizens....................

mstriumph
8th March 2007, 13:16
....................and the police is nothing but a gang too albeit a gang legitimised by bastard politicians to impose arbitrary laws on us poor citizens.................... and WE have to pay for their BIKES!!! :angry: .....

scumdog
8th March 2007, 13:21
ahh, i see you've grokked the fullness of it

and the police is nothing but a gang too albeit a gang legitimised by bastard politicians to impose arbitrary laws on us poor citizens....................

And for sure the 'poor citizens' could uphold the ' laws WAAAY better the the present gang.......AND in a less arbitrary way too...:whistle:

idleidolidyll
8th March 2007, 13:22
And for sure the 'poor citizens' could uphold the ' laws WAAAY better the the present gang.......AND in a less arbitrary way too...:whistle:

i doubt it'd be much worse

scumdog
8th March 2007, 13:27
i doubt it'd be much worse

Then you must be very 'young'.

(As in being aware how the world and humans function).

idleidolidyll
8th March 2007, 13:31
Then you must be very young.

on the contrary, i was at eden park when police thugs attacked, i have been ticketed by police for driving too slow (25mph in a 30mph), i've seen our political cops 'protect' the leaders of abusive foreign countries by taking away all our rights to protest, i've seen cops smoke dope then the same cops bust dope smokers, i've been burgled and waited for DAYS to be visited but driven up the road to receive a tax fine for breaking arbitrary 'laws'; i could go on and on and on................fuck, i've even got rellies in the gang

respect is earned, coppers haven't earned much in my book

idleidolidyll
8th March 2007, 13:33
besides scumdog, i thought you didn't give a shit that i have little respect for the pigs?

if that's the case why are you going on and on?

scumdog
8th March 2007, 13:35
on the contrary, i was at eden park when police thugs attacked, i have been ticketed by police for driving too slow (25mph in a 30mph), i've seen our political cops 'protect' the leaders of abusive foreign countries by taking away all our rights to protest, i've seen cops smoke dope then the same cops bust dope smokers, i've been burgled and waited for DAYS to be visited but driven up the road to receive a tax fine for breaking arbitrary 'laws'; i could go on and on and on................fuck, i've even got rellies in the gang

respect is earned, coppers haven't earned much in my book

Hmmm, well that's the way life is - and a lot of the stuff you mention is stuff away in your past and the Police environment has evolved since then, time to put it behind you...

BTW: Not saying NZ is perfect when it comes to its Police but try and think of a country where the Police are a lot better than in NZ - not too many out there I can tell you.

scumdog
8th March 2007, 13:38
besides scumdog, i thought you didn't give a shit that i have little respect for the pigs?

if that's the case why are you going on and on?

Never said I 'don't give a shit' BUT just trying to lessen the vitriol in your blood by trying to give an even less negative approach to things.

And the going on and on thing? Pot-Kettle-Black imho...

idleidolidyll
8th March 2007, 13:42
in the past?
oh come on scumdog, it was only recently that the police were used by govt to remove our right to protest the premiere of China and visiting scum from the USA and Britain.
It aint long ago that a man was slaughtered for breaking windows and then the coppers did the usual whitewash on the case.

i'll believe in the police again when cynical tax collection is put aside in favour of coppers in the community (and not just in cars), coppers walking the suburbs where the burglaries and most violence occurs.

until then you'll just have to learn to live with my disrespect and that of many thousands of others

idleidolidyll
8th March 2007, 13:45
And the going on and on thing? Pot-Kettle-Black imho...

dude, grab some reality. I wasn't the one saying I didn't give a shit about the disrespect, you were.................and then you went on and on and on and on and still you continue.

My line is that I DO give a shit about our cops and how they are used and abused and how they in turn use and abuse.

scumdog
8th March 2007, 13:51
in the past?
oh come on scumdog, it was only recently that the police were used by govt to remove our right to protest the premiere of China and visiting scum from the USA and Britain.
It aint long ago that a man was slaughtered for breaking windows and then the coppers did the usual whitewash on the case.

i'll believe in the police again when cynical tax collection is put aside in favour of coppers in the community (and not just in cars), coppers walking the suburbs where the burglaries and most violence occurs.

until then you'll just have to learn to live with my disrespect and that of many thousands of others

I thought you were meaning stuff that had affected you personally in the earlier post - how has any of the events in THIS post affected you personally??

Life is too short to worry about stuff like the above - and a little less of the emotional 'a man was slaughtered for breaking windows' would help your arguments.

Vote in a Government that will make Police fall into line with how you feel they should be and I guess you will live in Utopia and we both will be happy..

Until then I'll just have to shrug my shoulders and live with the disrespect of you and many thousand others because I'm not paid enough to worry about it.

idleidolidyll
8th March 2007, 14:04
no scumdog, life is NOT too short to worry about the restriction of our rights by the very people who are tasked with policing our rights.

as for the 'emotional' behind the man slaughtered for breaking windows, of course that's an emotional issue and so is the whitewash that followed.

fuck all that, i live in NZ and I don't want to live in amerika or any facsimilie of it

you may think we should meekly obey and passively do nothing as our rights are abused and our police are turned into political tools in the speed/cannabis/protest issues and more but i say fuck that, passive submissives get nothing done, the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

scumdog
8th March 2007, 14:13
Good luck with finding a squeaky wheel that works - I've been around long enough to realise there is no really effective squeaky wheel.

And the broken windows man? In the same circumstances I'd have done the same without batting an eye, - all the loser had to do was drop his golf club and he'd still be alive. (Darwin rocks!!)

(BTW I too have had unfair run-ins with the law when I was younger, I've managed to put it behind me.)

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree with our life philosophies and attitudes.

idleidolidyll
8th March 2007, 14:37
And the broken windows man? In the same circumstances I'd have done the same without batting an eye, - all the loser had to do was drop his golf club and he'd still be alive. (Darwin rocks!!)



"drop the golf club or we'll kill you for breaking windows", and you defend that?!

we'll never see eye to eye, the closer our coppers get to yank coppers, the worse they behave

avgas
8th March 2007, 14:40
"drop the golf club or we'll kill you for breaking windows", and you defend that?!

we'll never see eye to eye, the closer our coppers get to yank coppers, the worse they behave

Hell yes - break my windows and stay armed your asking for a killing.
I believe Darwin was onto something.

Toaster
8th March 2007, 15:38
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Mate I completely agree. I was one of the guys interested in joining. I couldn't believe the stupid reaction from on high - typical of non-bikers to be so stupid. I did a fair bit of background reading - that was all they had to do and would have realised there was nothing to fear. Bloody P.C. brigade gone mad again.

scumdog
8th March 2007, 15:44
"drop the golf club or we'll kill you for breaking windows", and you defend that?!

we'll never see eye to eye, the closer our coppers get to yank coppers, the worse they behave

The end result was nothing to do with the breaking of the windows so stop trolling.

Even if he had not broken ANY windows his actions in the last few seconds before he was shot was enough to earn him a bullet.

But the topic has been done to death and the 'the cop should have/could have/suppose to have' crowd will whine on for eternity, reliving something they need to get behind them.

idleidolidyll
8th March 2007, 15:46
opinions are like coppers......................:Punk:

idleidolidyll
8th March 2007, 15:51
i'm sensing a pattern here; everything nasty the cops have done should just be "put in the past"

ok, i get it now

are your shoulders sore?

scumdog
8th March 2007, 16:02
i'm sensing a pattern here; everything nasty the cops have done should just be "put in the past"

ok, i get it now

are your shoulders sore?

Yep, my left one is, after putting a box of 180grain 308's into a picture of Burtons face it IS aching a tad!


But regurgitating the past for no other reason than you're not happy with it is not going to improve anything in your life - but if you can use the past to improve the future? THEN you've got my attention!

Shadows
8th March 2007, 16:07
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idleidolidyll
8th March 2007, 16:07
i can't believe you said that scumdog, i've always considered you an intelligent guy

if we DON'T learn from the past we're in deep shit

THAT is why we shouldn't forget it and 'just put it away'

in a way i agree with tasers, at least rogue cops who can't think of a non lethal response are less likely to have the opportunity

that said, i don't trust all cops to use them ethically

anyone who thinks some cop/s won't abuse people with tasers, has rocks in their head.
now we have em, it's just a matter of time

Toaster
8th March 2007, 16:13
:brick: ***Remember what you see might not be what you get***

Welcome to KB. Good to hear a different perspective. Sounds like a nice couple to meet and have a coffee with then! You planning to join any KB rides?

Toaster
8th March 2007, 16:17
The end result was nothing to do with the breaking of the windows so stop trolling.

Even if he had not broken ANY windows his actions in the last few seconds before he was shot was enough to earn him a bullet.

But the topic has been done to death and the 'the cop should have/could have/suppose to have' crowd will whine on for eternity, reliving something they need to get behind them.

Ah yes, again you are on the money Scumdog. I'm sick of hearing people bring the old story up when they sit there without the full facts and judge from their armchair.

scumdog
8th March 2007, 16:20
i can't believe you said that scumdog, i've always considered you an intelligent guy

if we DON'T learn from the past we're in deep shit

THAT is why we shouldn't forget it and 'just put it away'

in a way i agree with tasers, at least rogue cops who can't think of a non lethal response are less likely to have the opportunity

that said, i don't trust all cops to use them ethically

anyone who thinks some cop/s won't abuse people with tasers, has rocks in their head.
now we have em, it's just a matter of time

Hah! EXACTLY what I was hinting at - as a result of Waitara we now have Tasers.
Before we only had pepper-spray - or bullets, now we have an intermediate level of force, almost more effective just by the mere sight of it.
But still the nay-sayers don't want Tazers, do they WANT another Waitara?

idleidolidyll
8th March 2007, 16:26
Hah! EXACTLY what I was hinting at - as a result of Waitara we now have Tasers.
Before we only had pepper-spray - or bullets, now we have an intermediate level of force, almost more effective just by the mere sight of it.
But still the nay-sayers don't want Tazers, do they WANT another Waitara?

seems to me the police pr man is crap eh

that greg o'connor bloke is fulla shit

yep, although i know tasers are gonna be abused, it's better than a death sentence

but this is a circular argument because i reckon more cops with guns was bollocks in the first place; escalation is a reality, look at amerika; 12000 gun murders a year, death by cop etc

not my idea of progress

dmouse
7th April 2007, 15:51
i had a bad off one day in 04 and my tr6r landed in my chest and split my spleen in two broke six ribs and buggerd my liver and bladder and this was in rush hour traffic no one else was involved but no one stopped to help plenty of rubber neckers and my triumph was still spinning in circles not to far from me, i had to get back on the bike and get home to get help about 7k`s i made it and i still see there faces going past in my dreams, cops rekon it was because i was in black leathers, so if i was wearing shorts and a shirt maybe they would of stopped but i doubt it if i would of lived to tell, now i ride a 98 fatboy custom and still wear the right gear for the job with just hog patches as before but i dont expect any help unless its another biker and yes i wave or nod to all bikers as we all have the same expectations my 2 cents worth anyway