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Lou Girardin

24th January 2006, 07:15

I've always thought two kinds of people become cops; the officious, power mad type and the hoon.
I met one of the latter last night. I merged from the Union St on-ramp into the left lane, waited for Mr Hoon in a M/way car to pass in the right lane then slotted in behind him. He was doing 55 - 60 k's, the traffic ahead was pulling away so when a gap opened between him and a truck in the left lane I indicated (naturally) nailed it and moved left.
Bugger me if the sod didn't move left and block me! I gave him the raised ' what the fuck do you think you're doing' arm signal and switched back to the right lane, pulled alongside him and gave him the "withering stare", which doesn't work too well with a tinted visor.
The cheeky bastid turned to me with this shit eating grin on his dial.
Shit, if he wants to play, he should meet me off duty up on 16.

Fishy

24th January 2006, 07:19

Stick it to em Lou, should have carefully removed one of his mirrors with your foot then lost him in the traffic :Punk:

MisterD

24th January 2006, 07:26

I've always thought two kinds of people become cops; the officious, power mad type and the hoon.

What about the public spirited types who just want to serve their communities?:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

*sic

24th January 2006, 07:48

What about the public spirited types who just want to serve their communities?:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

man thats the best line of crap ive heard in ages!

thats a myth aint it?..

MisterD

24th January 2006, 08:10

man thats the best line of crap ive heard in ages!

thats a myth aint it?..

Were not three rofl smileys enough to convey a sarcastic tone?

scumdog

24th January 2006, 08:13

I've always thought two kinds of people become cops; the officious, power mad type and the hoon.
.

Anguish and torment!
Which catagory did I sign up as??:slap: :doh:

Grahameeboy

24th January 2006, 08:18

Why let it bother you Lou........just get past him later on and leave him to himself.....

MisterD

24th January 2006, 08:28

Anguish and torment!
Which catagory did I sign up as??:slap: :doh:

The officious power mad hoon?

Marmoot

24th January 2006, 08:29

The officious power mad hoon?

damn.,....beaten by 2 minutes :mad:

Lou Girardin

24th January 2006, 08:49

Stick it to em Lou, should have carefully removed one of his mirrors with your foot then lost him in the traffic :Punk:

I'm not that brave, not with a clean shiny rego you can read for miles.

Lou Girardin

24th January 2006, 08:50

Anguish and torment!
Which catagory did I sign up as??:slap: :doh:

It's not obvious?
Check out your fleet.

Mongoose

24th January 2006, 08:51

Wonder where people would imagine Lou slotted in "the officious, power mad type and the hoon."

Fishy

24th January 2006, 09:07

Get it on video Goblin and make several copies and send them in to TVNZ!!

Goblin

24th January 2006, 09:11

Get it on video Goblin and make several copies and send them in to TVNZ!!
Hindsight is 20/20. I wish I had done just that(without giving it to TVNZ tho)For my own personal use...but I dont live there anymore.

scumdog

24th January 2006, 09:15

Get it on video Goblin and make several copies and send them in to TVNZ!!

Aand this would have achieved what?:wait: :whistle:

Fishy

24th January 2006, 09:15

Would be well worth it to go back and wait next Tuesday morning and get some footage though. Oh the exposure of law enforcement officers commiting licence losing offences for fun would be priceless!!

Goblin

24th January 2006, 09:22

Aand this would have achieved what?:wait: :whistle:
Would not have achieved much...other than giving myself a bad name....it's a bit rough when there's lots of laws for civilians and cops seem to be imune to these laws.

Indoo

24th January 2006, 09:24

I've always thought two kinds of people become cops; the officious, power mad type and the hoon.
I.

Whereas you became a traffic cop, real estate agent and salesman for the good of society and the desire to make a difference?

If we went by your book your career path would say a hell of alot about your character.

scumdog

24th January 2006, 09:29

Would not have achieved much...other than giving myself a bad name....it's a bit rough when there's lots of laws for civilians and cops seem to be imune to these laws.

I've got no problem - as long as you were just as willing to film Joe Hoon and send THAT of to TVNZ:yes:

Goblin

24th January 2006, 09:37

I've got no problem - as long as you were just as willing to film Joe Hoon and send THAT of to TVNZ:yes:
I don't even own a camera:rofl: well only an old pentax film camera.

Gotta remember this was more than 7 years ago, most of the said "hoons" probably don't even work in this region anymore.

Mongoose

24th January 2006, 09:43

And said laws were not in existance to the extent they are now.:niceone:

Goblin

24th January 2006, 09:47

Yes Mongoose;)

Lou Girardin

24th January 2006, 10:18

Whereas you became a traffic cop, real estate agent and salesman for the good of society and the desire to make a difference?

If we went by your book your career path would say a hell of alot about your character.

If you were to make judgements on someone you'd never met, it possibly would.

spudchucka

24th January 2006, 10:41

make judgements on someone you'd never met
You do it every day right here for all to read!

Lou Girardin

24th January 2006, 13:41

You do it every day right here for all to read!

I could have said that Indoo sounds like a person who so identifies with his job to the exclusion of all else, and is so insecure about himself that he feels that he has to defend every perceived slight against that job. But I'd probably be wrong.
You'll note that I've never stated my impression of you either Spud.

Mongoose

24th January 2006, 13:58

You met the cop?

Lou Girardin

24th January 2006, 14:22

You met the cop?

Read all the post.

Indoo

24th January 2006, 14:37

If you were to make judgements on someone you'd never met, it possibly would.

And by stating that you believe that anyone who joins the police is either power mad or a hoon your not making judgements on the 8000 or so cops you have never met or will never meet?

Comments like that are about as stupid as me saying that all bike salesmen are greedy pricks, only in it for the money and willing to deceive people to make a sale. The reality is that most do it for a love of bikes and because they like seeing a happy customer ride off on a new bike (of course it could never be that people join the police because they enjoy locking up bad guys and helping people)

I don't take offence Lou, if I did I would have had you and Winja on ignore along time ago. I just wonder what its like to have such a huge chip on your shoulder and the Rodney King type experience you must have had to have caused it.

Grahameeboy

24th January 2006, 14:50

Oh Lou Lou....we all have jobs, most are jobs where we can hide and some, like the Police who are constantly open to shit.

I have worked with complete arseoles at work and they somehow get away with it.....as a Police officer, I guess you only have to make one mistake and you get it in the ear......you only have to read the paper today to see what they put up with.....

Like Indoo says, there are 8,000 guys and gals in the Police and as with any job there will always be a few that will be bad cookies. I guess the question you have to ask yourself Lou is whether you would want to be a Police Officer for a week and I think your answer would be "No"....I could be wrong and am happy to be so.....

Like I said earlier, just let these things go cause the only one getting upset is you and just let arseholes be that cause they want you to get upset.

Mongoose

24th January 2006, 14:58

Just checking to see if you do indeed judge others you have not met

spudchucka

24th January 2006, 15:07

You'll note that I've never stated my impression of you either Spud.
It wouldn't make any difference to me if you did. If you think you are so insightful that you can sum a person up based solely on what they write on an internet forum then I'm afraid I simply wouldn't care what you said about me.

At the start of this thread you implied that I was either power hungry or a hoon because they are the only two types of people that become police officers. The truth is I'm neither but that doesn't stop you from labeling me, does it?

Lou Girardin

24th January 2006, 15:39

For God's sake, why don't the site cops get a sense of humour, or even one of proportion.
Life's not that serious, go for a ride (or buy a bike and go for a ride) it'll cheer you all up.:rolleyes:

scumdog

24th January 2006, 15:42

Hey c'mon - you're not allowed to hold the monopoly of 'site grumpy biker' all to yourself, some of us want a turn too ya know!!:scooter: :Playnice:

Grahameeboy

24th January 2006, 15:46

For God's sake, why don't the site cops get a sense of humour, or even one of proportion.
Life's not that serious, go for a ride (or buy a bike and go for a ride) it'll cheer you all up.:rolleyes:

Lou...sorry mate but you took your time responding and your 'humour' explanation is often an attempt to cover up and get home free card.

You need to pick your 'battles' mate........you went a bit far this time..

This is just an honest but friendly piece of advice......

judgeshock

24th January 2006, 15:49

Shoes on the other foot for a change, how nice.:Police:

Indoo

24th January 2006, 15:50

For God's sake, why don't the site cops get a sense of humour, or even one of proportion.
Life's not that serious, go for a ride (or buy a bike and go for a ride) it'll cheer you all up.:rolleyes:

The irony in that statement Lou is simply painful, can't you feel it?

Its good to see that you realise you made a big enough twat out of yourself to try and retract, but were all the other thousand or so posts you've made ranting and raving about cops jokes as well, or just this one?

Its hard to tell sometimes Louis.

Scouse

24th January 2006, 15:59

I guess the question you have to ask yourself Lou is whether you would want to be a Police Officer for a week and I think your answer would be "No"

And the answer is no because he would not have made the grade. Thats probably why he became a traffic cop cause he was rejected by the Police because he was ether too short or Psychologically unsutable.

Gixxer 4 ever

24th January 2006, 16:00

Arrr cop bashing. But when you need help you soon call em. So often we bag em till we need em. If they are out there giving the cars a thrash from time to time good on em. When they chase the prick that ran your grandmother off the road they just might catch em or not run off the road due to skills gained thrashing it round the back roads. Cops are people and just as so many people waste employers time on here instead of working they in turn thrash the public cars in the dark out of sight of the public. Good on em I say

Lou Girardin

24th January 2006, 16:23

Lou...sorry mate but you took your time responding and your 'humour' explanation is often an attempt to cover up and get home free card.

You need to pick your 'battles' mate........you went a bit far this time..

This is just an honest but friendly piece of advice......

I've gone further than this.

Lou Girardin

24th January 2006, 16:28

The irony in that statement Lou is simply painful, can't you feel it?

Its good to see that you realise you made a big enough twat out of yourself to try and retract, but were all the other thousand or so posts you've made ranting and raving about cops jokes as well, or just this one?

Its hard to tell sometimes Louis.

Did you read the original post? Did you detect the small irony used? Or did I not use enough smilies.
Gee maybe I should report him on *555.

It's funny how Scummy is the only one to react in the same manner as the original post.

But then it's obvious he doesn't take himself so seriously.

SPman

24th January 2006, 16:41

I'd say the majority join the police because they think they can be of some good to society.
....its a pity the reality grinds most of them down........

It's funny how Scummy is the only one to react in the same manner as the original post. Coz he's older and has a better idea of his self worth.?????

Indoo

24th January 2006, 18:13

Did you read the original post? Did you detect the small irony used? Or did I not use enough smilies.
Gee maybe I should report him on *555.

It's funny how Scummy is the only one to react in the same manner as the original post.

But then it's obvious he doesn't take himself so seriously.

Scumdog has skin thicker than Helen Clarks, I don't think its actually possible to offend him.

It's just getting a bit tired Lou, some cops are arseholes, I know I have to work with some, funny thing is they all seem to leave the job or end up on motorways. It's a fact of life and it happens in every profession.

I don't know what has fired you up against cops but at least admit that you have some kind of grudge, one or two posts might be a joke or someone who has just had a bad day, but when almost every of your posts are in the same vein its kinda obvious.

Skyryder

24th January 2006, 19:56

Gixxer 4 ever

24th January 2006, 22:03

Scumdog has skin thicker than Helen Clarks, I don't think its actually possible to offend him. .
Now I do not know Scumdog and it is likely he is immune to this type of attack but I can assure you it gets to some people. Why do we attack the very people we depend on to keep the country from Anakie?
For every action there is a reaction and by constantly attacking people you never know what the result is. If you can't say something good better to say nothing.
If you think the job the cops do is so good try and be one. You could be very good at it....or not.
I have been pissed off with the traffic cops before and vented here but I have realised it is my fault not theirs. Mind you the Escort X50 has helped our relationship. The point is , if you want to change the system attack the policy makers not the people on the ground. Support the people who will put their lives on the line to protect yours.

Grahameeboy

25th January 2006, 06:58

I've gone further than this.

Geeze, further.....well I guess we should be grateful you held back this time!!!.....don't do it again you naughty boy.....we don't expect you to be quiet but there are battles that are not necessary.....many arguments can be won with very little effort, .......Japanese warriors being a perfect example where they traditionally wore a Haka which hides the legs to prevent the opponent from knowing the method of attack/defence.....I don't expect you to wear a skirt but try to keep your legs eh? :kick:

Skyryder

25th January 2006, 09:03

igor

25th January 2006, 09:12

Scumdog has skin thicker than Helen Clarks, I don't think its actually possible to offend him.

It's just getting a bit tired Lou, some cops are arseholes, I know I have to work with some, funny thing is they all seem to leave the job or end up on motorways. It's a fact of life and it happens in every profession.

I don't know what has fired you up against cops but at least admit that you have some kind of grudge, one or two posts might be a joke or someone who has just had a bad day, but when almost every of your posts are in the same vein its kinda obvious.

"Scumdog has skin thicker than Helen Clarks" this should read "Scumdog is thicker than Helen."

"some cops are arseholes" yip this me, but only on a bad day and everyone has a bad day.

and for hose that didn't know Lou used to be a Terrific cop many years ago. He left for some reason only he nose, and like many appears to be _____

on on a different point, some people can't accept my sense of humuor. yes i do have one, but it can be a little hard to read. Email and bulletin boards show no emotion or tone or facial expressions so things can be read many ways, usually the wrong way.

please stop bagging the fuzz as i can't sleep at night

In The Breeze

25th January 2006, 09:23

scumdog

25th January 2006, 10:06

Yes there are two types of driving laws. No correction. There's only one, the one for us and none for the police. They can do what they like knowing that unless there is a 'consequence' of their actions they are imune from prosecution unlike the rest of us.

Skyryder

Sounds like the general public - do what they like up until the consequence looms, - then cry and say 'not fair, not my fault'...... :crybaby: :innocent:

scumdog

25th January 2006, 10:09

"Scumdog has skin thicker than Helen Clarks" this should read "Scumdog is thicker than Helen."

Got to agree - otherwise it would be ME that was Prime Minister!

Now straighten the hump on your back and get back down to the dungeons where you belong.....,

spudchucka

25th January 2006, 10:26

Yes there are two types of driving laws. No correction. There's only one, the one for us and none for the police. They can do what they like knowing that unless there is a 'consequence' of their actions they are imune from prosecution unlike the rest of us.

Skyryder
I'm afraid you are totally wrong. There are many Inspectors and Superintendants that spend every waking hour looking for staff to charge over any little driving misshap. I sometimes wonder if it is part of their performance assessments, (how many staff they have charged, disciplined or booted out of the job).

Lou Girardin

25th January 2006, 11:07

I'm afraid you are totally wrong. There are many Inspectors and Superintendants that spend every waking hour looking for staff to charge over any little driving misshap. I sometimes wonder if it is part of their performance assessments, (how many staff they have charged, disciplined or booted out of the job).

And therein lies your current problems. But it's nothing new, there's always been
supervisors like that. There's one still in the Motorways unit.

Marmoot

25th January 2006, 13:23

Lou Girardin

25th January 2006, 14:39

and who supervise the supervisors? and who supervise the supervisors of the supervisors?

Eventually, it comes down to public as the ultimate supervisors. Alas, they cannot do anything unless a million of them becomes witnesses.

A lot of the old hands were induced to leave so they could pay for INCIS.
Or at least not persuaded to stay.
The public is less likely to forgive and forget cop transgressions now. That's one reason for the angst.

Finn

25th January 2006, 14:44

Finn

25th January 2006, 14:56

A lot of the old hands were induced to leave so they could pay for INCIS.

And with it a lot of experience and knowledge. Yeah that INCIS project was a complete stuff up. Why on earth would the Police want to develop their own half assed system when there were proven, out of box solutions already implemented around the world? And of course IBM just took their (our) money.

The consequences of INCIS were and still are enormous.

Lou Girardin

25th January 2006, 15:59

Well now you know how we feel cause that's exactly what you're doing to us.

But that's different, because it's for our own good.:rofl:

Skyryder

25th January 2006, 16:07

I'm afraid you are totally wrong. There are many Inspectors and Superintendants that spend every waking hour looking for staff to charge over any little driving misshap. I sometimes wonder if it is part of their performance assessments, (how many staff they have charged, disciplined or booted out of the job).

Any stats on this? Or or they given an option to resign?

And why have I not heard a thing from Road Watch about the bike cop going through a red light? The cop that cut off Lou seemed pretty confident that there would be no recriminations because of his actions.

Skyryder

spudchucka

25th January 2006, 16:24

Any stats on this? Or or they given an option to resign?

And why have I not heard a thing from Road Watch about the bike cop going through a red light? The cop that cut off Lou seemed pretty confident that there would be no recriminations because of his actions.

Skyryder
No, I don't have any stats. Its not something that gets made available to those at the bottom of the food chain. However, I have many collegues that have been shafted over shit that most people wouldn't even get pulled over for.

A cop who has a minor ding in a patrol car has to wait around for the file to go through the heirachy, (usually to Inspector level at least), before they know if they will face charges, then there is the standard PCA and internal discipline to follow. A civilian in the same circumstances wouldn't be scrutinised by anything more than a beat constable who often times isn't going to bother charging somebody with careless for minor stuff simply because of the additional work load it would cause them.

Cops facing serious charges are sometimes encouraged to resign, other times they decide for themselves that it is the best option for them in the circumstances. A minor offence like careless wouldn't normally cost the cop their job.

I can't offer any kind of an answer for the rest of your post.

Skyryder

25th January 2006, 16:37

Well Spud I do sympathise. Over officious bosses are a pain in the arse in any employment. It's just from where most of the public sits we see the opposite. Most public statments (that's about all we can go on) by police concerning inappropiatge behavour are muffled by legal jargon or else they make excuses for their collegues. I hope you don't want examples as I'm having trouble enough finding a site with the LTA Amendments at present.

Skyryder

spudchucka

26th January 2006, 08:10

Well Spud I do sympathise. Over officious bosses are a pain in the arse in any employment.Don't get me wrong, I'm all for keeping the police as clean as possible. Its just when you have bosses that are highly motivated to roger you over something really pathetic that it sours your whole outlook on the job. You then begin to question why you bother doing what you do, makes you bitter towards the job and ultimately effects the effort an individual cop puts into their work.

It's just from where most of the public sits we see the opposite.Thats why I usually try to offer the flip side of the story. Sadly most of the nay sayers just think its because I'm blindly following whatever the current police mantra on that particular subject is.

Most public statments (that's about all we can go on) by police concerning inappropiatge behavour are muffled by legal jargon or else they make excuses for their collegues. I hope you don't want examples as I'm having trouble enough finding a site with the LTA Amendments at present. Refer to some of the recent posts regarding media reporting of police matters. They are unreliable at best and if the police aired all the gory details of every disciplinary matter then the media would have a field day with it.

Look at the porn gate scandal, when you examined it in detail it was nothing to make news over. Around 300 staff had objectionable material in their e-mail accounts. As I recall only 6 had material that would result in some sort of disciplinary action other than the mandatory counseling session that all those involved were required to attend. The police management screwed up by going public with it and the media scoffed it up like hungry hogs. If the result of an internal investigation meant that 6 staff members were charged over the incident the media wouldn't have had the opportunity to colour the entire police organisation as porn watching perverts the way they did.

Consequently the police need to be very carefull with the information made available to the media and the media is the publics main source of information in relation to police matters.

Mongoose

26th January 2006, 09:10

Scumdog has skin thicker than Helen Clarks, I don't think its actually possible to offend him.

.

Ever think that it is because he is so thick he aint worked out when someone is trying to abuse/offend him?:weird: :rofl:

Grahameeboy

26th January 2006, 09:20

But that's different, because it's for our own good.:rofl:

Our survey said......rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Kickaha

26th January 2006, 18:03

Look at the porn gate scandal, when you examined it in detail it was nothing to make news over. Around 300 staff had objectionable material in their e-mail accounts. As I recall only 6 had material that would result in some sort of disciplinary action other than the mandatory counseling session that all those involved were required to attend..

Ah yes A policeman I know got nailed for having one topless pic of Paris Hilton
although anyone who wants that mutts pic needs counseling anyway