First GT40 to be crashed? [Archive]

Lou Girardin

24th January 2006, 14:53

Some plonker in Auckland crashed his new GT40. Stuffed it into a tree hard enough to write it off (bent in the middle).
He said he pulled out of his driveway and lost control trying "to avoid a speeding car".:laugh:
Are we trying to set a 'most supercars written off per capita' record?

bugjuice

24th January 2006, 14:56

Fishy

24th January 2006, 14:57

Here are a few pics.... The owners name is Tim Watkins whover he is?

deathstar

24th January 2006, 14:59

coming on $400k isn't it? or more?

Coyote

24th January 2006, 14:59

Poor car :weep:

Qkchk

24th January 2006, 15:05

There was one in the Mazda/Ford headquarters showroom on Plunket Ave, Manukau. Not sure if it still there but you can see it if you drive into their carpark up to the main door................. was lucky enough to see it in the flesh as per photo.........

As it SHOULD be..........

Grahameeboy

24th January 2006, 15:09

Unhappy Insurer.......he he

Buster

24th January 2006, 15:12

Darryboy

24th January 2006, 15:13

What is it with wrecking exotics in NZ on rubbish days?

justsomeguy

24th January 2006, 15:14

yeah, saw that on the news last night.
What made me laugh, is that Jeremy Clarkson almost didn't get one, and that you had to be on Ford's 'I really really really want one' list, and they pick you.. And then he goes and does that..
Anyone can get a Lambo, but how many GT40s are in NZ? Let alone this side of the world..
Jeremy wanted the first one ever to come into the UK - he did get it in the end after a bit of pleading.....

I think the issue with GT40 ownership has more to do with supply and demand than Enzo style snobbery...... there is enough demand in the US alone to avoid having to bother with other markets.

What a waste....... :no:

bugjuice

24th January 2006, 15:25

Qkchk

24th January 2006, 15:30

weeeeeee quick adjustments to the colour..
Thanks, Buggy. It seems I cant tell the quality of me own photos......With our computer monitor on the blink, I can't even tell if there is anything red/yellow or green in that pic......... all Ive got is a blue tinge!! :cry: (Hmmm a new 20" LCD would be nice.....)

Drunken Monkey

24th January 2006, 15:30

Do these guys think a big wallet automaticly makes them good drivers?? I bet that car was going to spend its life "commuting" , never to see a racetrack, which could have avoided that situation. I feel sorry for the driver.

I'll take that bet. It was owned and driven by, as mentioned above, Tim Watkins, one of the country's top drag racers. He is not a plonker, Lou. I've seen Tim run many of his street cars on the racetrack, including his Lambo. But hey, whatever makes you feel superior.

coming on $400k isn't it? or more?

$457K, not that I know the details of the finance... :whistle:

...but how many GT40s are in NZ? ..

There were 2, buggy, now there's only one. - Ford GTs, that is. Don't know how many Ford Mark IIIs or GT40 replicas there are...

justsomeguy

24th January 2006, 15:34

I'll take that bet. It was owned and driven by, as mentioned above, Tim Watkins, one of the country's top drag racers. He is not a plonker, Lou. I've seen Tim run many of his street cars on the racetrack, including his Lambo. But hey, whatever makes you feel superior.

$457K, not that I know the details of the finance... :whistle:

Really??? Then wonder what made him crash...... any more news on that??

Typical of the media to hide the fact that he was a bit of a driver - so that we get the idea/impression that he's just a rich fool. - "Owned by some company director".......

Drunken Monkey

24th January 2006, 15:37

Really??? Then wonder what made him crash...... any more news on that??
....

I haven't had a chat to him yet, will find out more info this weekend.

Buster

24th January 2006, 15:41

Just shows how unpredictable those cars are then.

Lou Girardin

24th January 2006, 15:47

He is not a plonker, Lou. I've seen Tim run many of his street cars on the racetrack, including his Lambo. But hey, whatever makes you feel superior.

..

I would have thought that writing off your GT40 pulling out of your driveway is distinctly plonkerish. But hell, I haven't met him, he's probably salt of the earth.

Motu

24th January 2006, 15:48

Buster

24th January 2006, 15:53

I would have thought that writing off your GT40 pulling out of your driveway is distinctly plonkerish. But hell, I haven't met him, he's probably salt of the earth.
Amen brother.

justsomeguy

24th January 2006, 15:57

There is only one car in the world that I really want,and that is a GT40...although I'd prefer an original one - and this guy smacks one up! No sustained loss of traction there - I'd say he got too much.

Have you sat in one(original model) Motu - the hype dies down real quick.

Your knees stop you from turning the wheel easily, you cannot physically see the pedals -even if you wanted to while sitting down. Rearwards and sideways visibilty is a joke and you can barely see out the front - oh and the roof is pressing on your head too, operating the gear lever to your right is a cramped awkward affair.... then there's the heat and noise -- Huge respect goes out to the Le Mans winners.

Postie

24th January 2006, 16:03

At the end of the day, its still only a ford..... so who cares.
plus i think you'll find its not a GT40, rather just a Ford GT.

Drunken Monkey

24th January 2006, 16:07

...Your knees stop you from turning the wheel easily, you cannot physically see the pedals -even if you wanted to while sitting down. Rearwards and sideways visibilty is a joke and you can barely see out the front - oh and the roof is pressing on your head too, operating the gear lever to your right is a cramped awkward affair.... then there's the heat and noise -- ...

......Wicked!

How a sports car should be!

Postie

24th January 2006, 16:09

sounds like JSG is a hardcore le mans racer, or has had a few of these ford thingies, why did you sell you one JSG?

The_Dover

24th January 2006, 16:09

I got taken for a spin in an original GT40 back in about '97. Uncomfortable as fuck but sounded great.

A bit like fucking an anorexic opera singer, if there is such a thing.

justsomeguy

24th January 2006, 16:18

At the end of the day, its still only a ford..... so who cares.
plus i think you'll find its not a GT40, rather just a Ford GT.

It's not just a Ford you stupid ignorant fool - it's a GT40 the car that showed a big stiff middle finger to that damn snobby ex Alfa Romeo racing engineer called Enzo Ferrari - it was one of the most serious American assaults on the global motoracing scene......... it was........ oh why do I bother......

The car I sat in was at the Lotus Showroom in Kumeu - it was a multi award winning replica with a build price of nearly NZ$200,000 in Concourse condition.... so it was as close to a real GT40 as you can realistically get.

The current car is called a GT as Ford lost the naming rights to the GT40 moniker. The GT is also much larger than the older car and 3 inches taller - which is a lot in sports car dimensions. Also as far as pure bang for buck is concerned it's also one of the best available ever easily beating the GT3 RS and Stradale for value.

Postie

24th January 2006, 16:22

The current car is called a GT as Ford lost the naming rights to the GT40 moniker.

errr yeah, thats what i pointed out, and its still just a crappy Ford, don't care how much its cost or how many fingers its got. The only truely decent Ford is the original GT40, or the Escort Cosworth, all the other's can suck my Holden Tattoed cock

Motu

24th January 2006, 16:25

Huge respect goes out to the Le Mans winners.

Bruce Denny and Chris were Kiwi's mate - it was a proud moment.The 60s were the haydays of New Zealand motorsort.The GT40 has always been my all time favorite car.

The_Dover

24th January 2006, 16:25

all the other's can suck my Holden Tattoed cock

You managed to get six letters on there?? Or was it just the little logo thingy?

Buster

24th January 2006, 16:25

It's not just a Ford you stupid ignorant fool - it's a GT40 the car that showed a big stiff middle finger to that damn snobby ex Alfa Romeo racing engineer called Enzo Ferrari - it was one of the most serious American assaults on the global motoracing scene......... it was........ oh why do I bother......

The car I sat in was at the Lotus Showroom in Kumeu - it was a multi award winning replica with a build price of nearly NZ$200,000 in Concourse condition.... so it was as close to a real GT40 as you can realistically get.

The current car is called a GT as Ford lost the naming rights to the GT40 moniker. The GT is also much larger than the older car and 3 inches taller - which is a lot in sports car dimensions. Also as far as pure bang for buck is concerned it's also one of the best available ever easily beating the GT3 RS and Stradale for value.
By the looks of those pics the GT43 doesnt handle that great.

justsomeguy

24th January 2006, 16:26

......Wicked!

How a sports car should be!

Mid mounted - Water Cooled, 90 Degree, 4736 cc / 289.0 cu in V8 with Weber Carburation -287.1 kw / 385.0 bhp @ 7000 rpm - 423.02 nm / 312 ft lbs @ 5000 rpm -Fibreglass Body over Sheet-Steel Semi-Monocoque w/Square Tube Stiffening - 40.5 inches tall.............ooohhhhhhh:spudflip:

You should have seen him start it up and show us the engine....... oh what an event - first he had to undo the circlips holding down the hatch - then the whole rear lifts up - then whatever those little tanks are slowly fill up with petrol as he fires it up and the whole room rumbles....... ahhhhh ;D

Postie

24th January 2006, 16:27

You managed to get six letters on there?? Or was it just the little logo thingy?

well when its in "relaxed" mode it just says Hold

justsomeguy

24th January 2006, 16:31

By the looks of those pics the GT43 doesnt handle that great.

Wow - you're the first person I know who can tell how well a car handles by looking at a picture of it :not:

justsomeguy

24th January 2006, 16:33

The GT40 has always been my all time favorite car.

I love it too, but am unhealthily obsessed with the Shelby Cobra.

kro

24th January 2006, 16:33

I smell squid, the tin top variety. The ability to acquire a vehicle such as this, does not equate to an ability to drive one.
Sad, like the beautiful Lambo that some shite head trashed in Parnell no that long ago. Damn shame, those GT40's are a peice of bloody artwork.

cousa1

24th January 2006, 16:38

someone should send those pictures to Clarkson. I bet he would have a choice comment or 2 to make

Buster

24th January 2006, 16:39

Wow - you're the first person I know who can tell how well a car handles by looking at a picture of it :not:
So what was it like when you drove it?

justsomeguy

24th January 2006, 16:43

There is only one car in the world that I really want,and that is a GT40...although I'd prefer an original one -

Who's the best local GT40 replica manufacturer??

I've seen a few DRB replicas http://www.drbsportscars.com/ and they look great from a laymans perspective - don't know from a mechanic's eye.

Motu

24th January 2006, 16:44

I love it too, but am unhealthily obsessed with the Shelby Cobra.

Me too,but like the Lotus 7 it's been copied hundreds of times,there are atleast a couple of very good Cobra kits made right here in NZ...but the GT40 has had very few copies made,it's just a bit more sacred...like some band doing a cover version of Stairway to Heaven or Smoke on the Water...it's just not done in polite society.

justsomeguy

24th January 2006, 16:45

So what was it like when you drove it?

I didn't and never said I did.

How was it like when you drove it?

justsomeguy

24th January 2006, 16:49

Me too,but like the Lotus 7 it's been copied hundreds of times,there are atleast a couple of very good Cobra kits made right here in NZ...but the GT40 has had very few copies made,it's just a bit more sacred...like some band doing a cover version of Stairway to Heaven or Smoke on the Water...it's just not done in polite society.

Heaven = blasting down Route 66 in a Gulf Replica paint scheme GT40 listening to the opening guitar solo of Smoke on the Water :rockon:

Buster

24th January 2006, 16:55

I didn't and never said I did.

How was it like when you drove it?
My apoligies I thought you had. I cant even drive a manual car so that counts me out!

justsomeguy

24th January 2006, 16:59

My apoligies I thought you had. I cant even drive a manual car so that counts me out!

No worries bud it's all good:2thumbsup

SPman

24th January 2006, 17:05

mini_me

24th January 2006, 17:06

Heaven = blasting down Route 66 in a Gulf Replica paint scheme GT40 listening to the opening guitar solo of Smoke on the Water :rockon:

um...
wtf?

justsomeguy

24th January 2006, 17:07

Jeremy had to get a "new" GT coz he couldnt fit in the original!
Got the episode where he had to let Noel Edmonds cane his GT40 around the place - big smoky crossed up power slides - the works - and all JC could do was look on in frustration........

Hehehehehe - you see one of the Top Gear tests of the GT?? (I think there were 3)....

Jeremy sits in a GT40 and the roof line comes to his eyebrows:nya:

justsomeguy

24th January 2006, 17:09

um...
wtf?

That's the cage fantasy - bike fantasy - riding a matt black Agusta F4 down Deals Gap and listening to the engine note.

Mr Skid

24th January 2006, 17:09

......Wicked!

How a sports car should be! Exactly!!
Complaining about a sports car like that would be comparable to complaining about a cutting edge sportsbike turning in too quick.

Krayy

24th January 2006, 17:50

Jeremy wanted the first one ever to come into the UK - he did get it in the end after a bit of pleading.....
....and now he's sent it back because it broke down every week and was the most incredibly impractical car he ever bought.

myvice

24th January 2006, 17:57

Rumour has it that one of the Ex big wigs at Ford smashed a GT40 that was waiting for its new owner to pick it up from the factory.
I don’t know how true this is but it’s a good story...
Dunno about the local GT40 kits, I've heard that the finish leaves a lot to be desired.
Sounds about a comfy as a Lotus, more room in an esky but I would love to have one!
Wife is a car freak, I just have to fix the bloody things!

onearmedbandit

24th January 2006, 18:09

Wow, lot of experts in this thread.

Swoop

24th January 2006, 18:54

someone should send those pictures to Clarkson. I bet he would have a choice comment or 2 to make

Especially after handing his one back to ford...

I wonder if it has anything to do with the 30,000 lay-offs at ford USA...:motu: :whistle: :devil2:

bane

24th January 2006, 18:58

Mid mounted - Water Cooled, 90 Degree, 4736 cc / 289.0 cu in V8 with Weber Carburation -287.1 kw / 385.0 bhp @ 7000 rpm - 423.02 nm / 312 ft lbs @ 5000 rpm -Fibreglass Body over Sheet-Steel Semi-Monocoque w/Square Tube Stiffening - 40.5 inches tall.............ooohhhhhhh:spudflip:

sounds like your talent is wasted on a bike site JSG...

Fords (or Holdens for that matter), in general do little for me, but the story of the GT40 is a good'n - built to shit all over Ferrari at Le Mans - mission accomplished (with the help of a few Kiwi's!)

The modern GT had the same aim, this time the target being the F360... unfortunately for Ford there's now the F430...

ducatilover

24th January 2006, 22:34

Have you sat in one(original model) Motu - the hype dies down real quick.

Your knees stop you from turning the wheel easily, you cannot physically see the pedals -even if you wanted to while sitting down. Rearwards and sideways visibilty is a joke and you can barely see out the front - oh and the roof is pressing on your head too, operating the gear lever to your right is a cramped awkward affair.... then there's the heat and noise -- Huge respect goes out to the Le Mans winners.
thats why they made a different version of the gt40 called the gt43? it was a few inches taller for the normal sized people. although i fit in one quite hapilly. but im a squirt:headbang:

ducatilover

24th January 2006, 22:42

Hehehehehe - you see one of the Top Gear tests of the GT?? (I think there were 3)....

Jeremy sits in a GT40 and the roof line comes to his eyebrows:nya:
haha i saw that one....

aha found it, ford made a gt43 model that has a hump in the top of the drivers door... it might fit my hairdo sweet!

i'd rather have a porsche boxster s. or rather a cayman s with some tweaking. its all about the steering my freinds and the aston rack on the gt just isnt quite german:nya:

Mooch

24th January 2006, 23:15

Looks like he's lucky to be alive !. Just as well it wasn't RHD. I bet ya he's pissed about it.

MisterD

25th January 2006, 07:04

all the other's can suck my Holden Tattoed cock

Vauxhalls!:rofl:

The_Dover

25th January 2006, 08:10

Yeah, and some of our shit gets moved to PD!! It's a conspiracy I tell ya.

Mind you, I can quite picture Postie in his white Astra GTE with his burberry shellsuit and chav chains. Wicked innit?

MisterD

25th January 2006, 08:30

Mind you, I can quite picture Postie in his white Astra GTE with his burberry shellsuit and chav chains. Wicked innit?

Painting pictures with words Dover.....Von Postie hat NE1?

Devil

25th January 2006, 08:31

....and now he's sent it back because it broke down every week and was the most incredibly impractical car he ever bought.
He's bought it back.
I'd rather have a GT40.

pete376403

25th January 2006, 13:33

errr yeah, thats what i pointed out, and its still just a crappy Ford, don't care how much its cost or how many fingers its got. The only truely decent Ford is the original GT40, or the Escort Cosworth, all the other's can suck my Holden Tattoed cock

Wasn't even truly a crappy Ford, the car was a rebadged Lola built by Eric Broadley in England. Ford provided the motor.

Ixion

25th January 2006, 16:21

:Oi: :Playnice: :calm:

Play nice folks!. The personal vilification posts and assorting grumbles have been move to You Know Where.

SPman

25th January 2006, 18:20

Wasn't even truly a crappy Ford, the car was a rebadged Lola built by Eric Broadley in England. Ford provided the motor.
It was based on the Lola GT, but extensively modified. Ford had to start somewhere, so basically bought the Lola GT off Eric and went from there.

madboy

25th January 2006, 18:20

Yep, Ford demonstrated to Ferrari exactly what a truly enormous budget can achieve. Both then and probably now too. Does anyone notice that Ford's greatest claim to fame these days is copying and modernising the one truly great race car they ever made to "better" the latest bargain basement Ferrari? Jeez, a 360 is a nice car, but it's hardly the pinnacle of Ferrari.

And how did Clarkson's write up of the new F430 go? Didn't he wish he'd held out and bought one of them instead?

A mate (single, high income, no kids) was gonna buy one of the NZ GT40 kits a year or two back. But he dicked around and never got around to buying it, and then they changed the specs and doubled the price or something so it just never happened. Which was a shame, cos with him being based overseas, and his Lotus 7 replica taking up floorspace at his parent's place, I was picturing a free GT40 replica in my garage for a while there... firing it up once a month, testing it's high speed stability (or lack of), cruising the beaches...

Skunk

25th January 2006, 18:54

How many of you have heard of the GT60? The 'better' GT40. Built three, crushed two. The third was in NZ waiting on an engine (ex F5000) but was sold overseas.

ducatilover

25th January 2006, 20:45

How many of you have heard of the GT60? The 'better' GT40. Built three, crushed two. The third was in NZ waiting on an engine (ex F5000) but was sold overseas.
hmmm i have something somewhere about a gt-something that was built as a rally car, some mid engine two door thing but it was over shadowed by the escort or something.
alot of somethings in that.

Sniper

26th January 2006, 08:16

Shit, I heard about that, not a good look for NZ. But hey, if anyone wants me to look after their supercars, Im more than willing.

Mooch

26th January 2006, 08:29

Ford Rs200 maybe ?. Had silly power and was killing rally drivers. I think someone has one in NZ. The group B cars led to the current turbo restrictors on WRC cars , hence the older crosworth turbo escorts being the next ford WRC

http://www.pistonheads.com/milestones/rs200.htm

Skunk

26th January 2006, 09:25

hmmm i have something somewhere about a gt-something that was built as a rally car, some mid engine two door thing but it was over shadowed by the escort or something.
alot of somethings in that.
Nah, this was an improved GT40. Only got as far as testing before being scrapped.

MisterD

26th January 2006, 10:10

Had silly power and was killing rally drivers. I think someone has one in NZ.

More to the point the group Bs were killing spectators, shit those 205s and Deltas were impressive though...

Mooch

26th January 2006, 10:45

Did you see the note about a Group B rally car, would have qualified sixth on a formula 1 grid of the time , that's one serious cage !.

Lou Girardin

26th January 2006, 15:45

Fords (or Holdens for that matter), in general do little for me, but the story of the GT40 is a good'n - built to shit all over Ferrari at Le Mans - mission accomplished (with the help of a few Kiwi's!)
.

Funny how Ford had to go to 427 V8's to beat the 4.4 litre Ferraris after the 302's were trounced.

Ettore Bugatti said that Bentley built the fastest lorries in the world.
In that vein, Ford build the fastest sales reps cars in the world.

justsomeguy

26th January 2006, 15:50

Funny how Ford had to go to 427 V8's to beat the 4.4 litre Ferraris after the 302's were trounced.

Ettore Bugatti said that Bentley built the fastest lorries in the world.
In that vein, Ford build the fastest sales reps cars in the world.

Wasn't the whole GT40 issue caused by ego problems between Ford and Ferrari rather than anything else, with Ford pissed off that Enzo wouldn't sell??

Enzo Ferrari by that time was widely regarded as one of the best race engineers of the time so I guess Ford needed the extra cubes to make up for the better handling Ferraris.

myvice

26th January 2006, 20:20

Still cant lean the things tho...

ducatilover

27th January 2006, 10:54

Nah, this was an improved GT40. Only got as far as testing before being scrapped.
nah im sure it was something completely different, it in one of my practical classics mags. its really small and built in the 70's

ducatilover

27th January 2006, 11:00

More to the point the group Bs were killing spectators, shit those 205s and Deltas were impressive though...
those fucken deltas were awesome! i'd love a delta....
what about the quattro? those were mofukers but they had to much weight over the front axle because of the inline 5.. and the mg metro sr6 or something, the name has slipped my mind. they were an atmo v6 werent they?;)

ducatilover

27th January 2006, 11:08

aha found it,

ford gt70, around about 4 made but there have been reports of others. it used a 240hp 1977cc all alloy inline 4, although there were plans of a 2600cc all alloy v6 and a 1800cc four aswell, i think they made one of each...
one competed but had to retire due to suspension problems so the good old escort took over. rant finished:niceone:

MisterD

27th January 2006, 11:14

those fucken deltas were awesome! i'd love a delta....
what about the quattro? those were mofukers but they had to much weight over the front axle because of the inline 5.. and the mg metro sr6 or something, the name has slipped my mind. they were an atmo v6 werent they?;)

I think there's still some of the Metros and RS200s rocking around the rallycross circuit in Europe. For me though the Lancia Stratos is still the best ever, and you can get a kit replica which uses a lancia motor that puts out the same as the original Ferrari lump....Siiiiiiddwaaayyyyys:woohoo:

ducatilover

27th January 2006, 11:32

I think there's still some of the Metros and RS200s rocking around the rallycross circuit in Europe. For me though the Lancia Stratos is still the best ever, and you can get a kit replica which uses a lancia motor that puts out the same as the original Ferrari lump....Siiiiiiddwaaayyyyys:woohoo:
ooohhh those lancia strotoses are awesome...:Punk: they look great and that beaut engine and ooooohhhhh ....must...keep........hands .....on....keyboard.....:tugger: i might try get some pics of one:woohoo:

Skunk

27th January 2006, 12:59

ducatilover

27th January 2006, 13:01

[QUOTE=ducatilover]aha found it,

ford gt70, around about 4 made but there have been reports of others. it used a 240hp 1977cc all alloy inline 4, although there were plans of a 2600cc all alloy v6 and a 1800cc four aswell, i think they made one of each...
one competed but had to retire due to suspension problems so the good old escort took over. rant finished:niceone:[/QUOTEDifferent car to the GT60. The GT60 looks like a sleeker bigger GT40 (no not 60 inches high either)
then there was the gt90 concept argh that was ugly, like a fucken tank aswell:pinch:

ducatilover

27th January 2006, 13:09

here we go:buggerd: the f1 gtr is soooo sexy:eek: :blah:

justsomeguy

27th January 2006, 13:37

Different car to the GT60. The GT60 looks like a sleeker bigger GT40 (no not 60 inches high either)

It was a bit longer and had stacked circular headlights compared to the rectangular headlights of the GT40. The front spoiler/bumper section was more rounded too. It looked quite different to the GT40 .

justsomeguy

27th January 2006, 13:40

[quote=Skunk]
then there was the gt90 concept argh that was ugly, like a fucken tank aswell:pinch:

That was purely a concept car - actually more of a design study than an actual car. It didn't drive or handle that great but could be driven from point a-b.

ducatilover

27th January 2006, 13:54

That was purely a concept car - actually more of a design study than an actual car. It didn't drive or handle that great but could be driven from point a-b.
kinda like a ford wannabe veyron except that it was way before the veyron. hmmm i reckon it would have handled quite well just not compared to the existing competition, eg f50, macca f1, b-engineering edonis and such like;)

justsomeguy

27th January 2006, 14:24

the existing competition, eg f50, macca f1, b-engineering edonis and such like;)

The existing competion is the Merc/Mclaren SLR, Carrera GT, Murceilago, Enzo, Vanquish, Koenigsegg, Veyron.

Doesn't mean they're better though.

http://racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=882&p=6 - shit connection so you may have to try at different times of the day, unless you become a paid member -but an awesome collection of vids - check out the bike section and misc section for more bike vids.

Lou Girardin

27th January 2006, 14:27

Wasn't the whole GT40 issue caused by ego problems between Ford and Ferrari rather than anything else, with Ford pissed off that Enzo wouldn't sell??

Enzo Ferrari by that time was widely regarded as one of the best race engineers of the time so I guess Ford needed the extra cubes to make up for the better handling Ferraris.

Yes to all.

ducatilover

27th January 2006, 14:30

The existing competion is the Merc/Mclaren SLR, Carrera GT, Murceilago, Enzo, Vanquish, Koenigsegg, Veyron.

Doesn't mean they're better though.

http://racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=882&p=6 - shit connection so you may have to try at different times of the day, unless you become a paid member -but an awesome collection of vids - check out the bike section and misc section for more bike vids.
i meant the competition back then sorry. and the b-engineering edonis would still be existing competition:yeah:

justsomeguy

27th January 2006, 14:56

the b-engineering edonis would still be existing competition:yeah:

You mean the ugly duckling is still around?? What's the story behind it anyway?

ducatilover

27th January 2006, 15:00

You mean the ugly duckling is still around?? What's the story behind it anyway?
i'm fairly sure theyre still around but i'll look it up. i remeber the uk autocar doing a test with it...:woohoo: