NZ (lack of) Justice System

[HDTboy]

Watching the morning news this morning, there was a piece about the guy in the Hawkes bay who's pleaded guilty to kidnapping and rape, they mentioned that it's quite possible he will get PD. Following this article was one about a property developer in Auckland who may be on his way to jail for cutting down a 100 year old Pohutukawa tree.

Now I don't condone cutting down historic trees unless there's extenuating circumstances, but you'd think it's a slightly less bad crime than kidnapping a woman, holding her for 24 hours, and raping her in the forest :spudwhat: .

How can we say we even have a justice system if we let things like this happen?

[WRT]

Oh oh, but its all sweet, cause the rapist was smoking P at the time - didn't you see the sister on telly bawling her eyes out saying that her bro doesnt do these things?

Its not his fault, the P made him do it.

And their plan will work too, so long as no one clicks that it was his decision to smoke P in the first place . . .

[Fishy]

Yeah I have had bad experience within the court of law too.

Bout 6 or 7 years ago I was driving my 4WD around a corner at about 40-50kph and all of a sudden F@#k started sliding sideways (found out later that there was oil on the road) and I slid into another car.

Got summond to court and stood up in front of the judge and explained what happened. He gave me a $600 fine and charged me with careless use of a motorvehicle. I was a bit gutted about it but I accepted his decision.

The next guy (a Cambodian ) stood up and gave his case....he was pissed driving with no licence and crashed up the curb knocking a cyclist off his bike and put him in hospital. - Get this - The judge let him off everything and let him walk free as he thought he decided he had had a hard life and upbringing!!!! WTF?!!! Fucken hell that pissed me off!!!.:mad: :mad: :mad:

[SimJen]

The secret is to dish out your own justice.
If it was my wife that was raped/tortured then I'd be going to court myself with a sawn off shotgun under my jacket. Wait for the verdict and if its shit, like its likely to be. I'd blow the fuckers head off........I'd do it gently though to avoid to much blood loss :)

[yungatart]

But don't you see, it was only his poor upbringing, lack of education, and the fact that he's maori- giving him a poor start in life- that made him smoke "P" in the first place. Actually, it's all our fault and we'd better be quiet about it or we may be charged as accessories.

[Indoo]

Watching the morning news this morning, there was a piece about the guy in the Hawkes bay who's pleaded guilty to kidnapping and rape, they mentioned that it's quite possible he will get PD. Following this article was one about a property developer in Auckland who may be on his way to jail for cutting down a 100 year old Pohutukawa tree.

Now I don't condone cutting down historic trees unless there's extenuating circumstances, but you'd think it's a slightly less bad crime than kidnapping a woman, holding her for 24 hours, and raping her in the forest :spudwhat: .

How can we say we even have a justice system if we let things like this happen?

When they said PD they were referring to preventive detention, not the PD your thinking of. Preventive detention means a long jail term and your basically locked up until your no longer judged a danger to society, of course in reality it doesn't quite work like that because we do have a weak willed justice system. But he will be going to jail for at least 10+ years.

[DMNTD]

...Its not his fault, the P made him do it...

I'm sick of reading shit that P "makes" ya do bad things etc.
Worse hearing how farkwits are getting "off" serious or any crimes due to that claim.
P does not "make you" doing anything of the sort. It is a concious(sp) decision of an individual to do these crimes therefore they should be delt to fully. In no way do I advocate the use of meth either before someone gets at me...it's a crap drug and a total waste of money.
Pity some haven't seen the Light and scored a bike for their rush of choice:cool:


PS: I know what you were meaning WRT

[Holy Roller]

JUSTICE has nothing to do with it anymore.:brick: :brick: :brick: :brick:
We are becoming more like America every year where LAW and Precident rule.
Boy do WE NEED to stand up and tell our country to be sensible when handing out verdicts:sherlock: Not that they will listen though too many bleeding heart liberals excusing these actions and aportioning blame to others or circumstances.

End of Rant

[onearmedbandit]

PD in this case is PREVENTIVE DETENTION, not periodic detention. Like Indoo posted, it means they can lock you up for good if they choose. Facts people, get 'em right!!

[Oscar]

Watching the morning news this morning, there was a piece about the guy in the Hawkes bay who's pleaded guilty to kidnapping and rape, they mentioned that it's quite possible he will get PD. Following this article was one about a property developer in Auckland who may be on his way to jail for cutting down a 100 year old Pohutukawa tree.

Now I don't condone cutting down historic trees unless there's extenuating circumstances, but you'd think it's a slightly less bad crime than kidnapping a woman, holding her for 24 hours, and raping her in the forest :spudwhat: .

How can we say we even have a justice system if we let things like this happen?


I suggest you re-read the paper or listen to Morning Report:

1. The Crown will ask for Preventive Dentention for the scumbag in Napier according to his Brief.

2. The idiot who chopped the tree down has three previous convictions for the same thing.

[bugjuice]

who said justice was fair.
just avoid it all together.

[Oscar]

What really pissed me off was the Woman convicted of having sex with a thirteen yo boy.

250 Hours community service under the new "non-sexist" law. What do you reckon a 23 yo man would have got for having sex with a 13 yo girl? 5 Years?

If thats not bad enough, the stupid slut was in Sunday's paper making excuses....

[zadok]

Admitting to the use of illegal drugs, then using it as an excuse for doing crime, REALLY GETS UP MY NOSE!
ITS NO EXCUSE!!!!!!!

[bugjuice]

REALLY GETS UP MY NOSE!
the drugs or the people?

[HDTboy]

When they said PD they were referring to preventive detention, not the PD your thinking of. Preventive detention means a long jail term and your basically locked up until your no longer judged a danger to society, of course in reality it doesn't quite work like that because we do have a weak willed justice system. But he will be going to jail for at least 10+ years.
I stand corrected. I still find it offensive that he uses methamphetamines as a cop-out, and that the maximum jail term for his charges is 20 years.

With reference to the guy who cut down the Pohutukawa on his own property. The "Maori Activist" who felled the tree on One Tree Hill (public property, and an icon) got off with six months of periodic detention. Does masking his vandalism as a political stand exclude him from the same penalty as the property developer in question?

[Clockwork]

I'm sick of reading shit that P "makes" ya do bad things etc.
Worse hearing how farkwits are getting "off" serious or any crimes due to that claim.
P does not "make you" doing anything of the sort. It is a concious(sp) decision of an individual to do these crimes therefore they should be delt to fully. In no way do I advocate the use of meth either before someone gets at me...it's a crap drug and a total waste of money.
Pity some haven't seen the Light and scored a bike for their rush of choice:cool:


PS: I know what you were meaning WRT

Perhaps such a claim should automatically add 3 years to your sentence

[madboy]

It's the whole personal responsibility thing again. NZ lacks it in droves. Almost no one is prepared to stand up and admit they cocked up and now it's time for the punishment. It couldn't have been his fault that he turned into such a loser, which lead to him smoking up, which then led to him doing this dispicable crime, which has now led to him wasting a whole f***ing truckload of our taxes for the foreseeable future.

Short of a set up, there's no way I'll ever be in that situation. I just don't do drugs. Full-stop. But as it's a distinct possibility that I'll one day be in court explaining my riding, I think I've got my defense sussed:

I'm an only child. My parent's spoilt me. But they were never emotionally affectionate enough. So when I turned 12 I started watching hardcore p*** to gain the emotional support that I couldn't get from parents or siblings. I could no longer differentiate between reality and those movies. I thought all guys had 10inch knobs that were rock hard all the time. So when I looked in my own pants, I felt emotionally deflated. I never recovered from this traumatic ordeal in my upbringing, so later in life I bought a really fast motorbike to make up for my deflated emotions. And it did. I rode it really really fast and it made me feel like my average sized penis didn't matter and that all the girlies who saw me wanted to rip my leathers off and bang me senseless cos I had such a cool bike. One day I got chased by some cops for riding it really really fast. But when I fell off and got caught, there were no hot chick cops who wanted to suck me off on the roadside while they waited for the ambulance. And the gruff old sargeant put the baton in when I suggested the hot ambo chick get her tits out. The middle aged overweight nurses in hospital weren't too impressed either when I whipped it out in the middle of the specialist examination. And the older male specialist looking at my broken leg didn't seem too interested in tag teaming the nurses with the young male cop who was guarding me. So when I get to court, your honour, I'm disgusted to find that my rights have been violated here and my expectations were not met. You are judging me as an adult, which is completely unfair, because I've never been able to get past my childhood neglect. I don't believe a jail sentence is at all appropriate for the pedestrian I killed, because my mummy didn't cuddle me enough. Instead my mummy should be on trial here!

And while I'm in prison, I'm suing Vivid Video.

[Grahameeboy]

I suggest you re-read the paper or listen to Morning Report:

1. The Crown will ask for Preventive Dentention for the scumbag in Napier according to his Brief.

2. The idiot who chopped the tree down has three previous convictions for the same thing.

But it was only a tree..........but because of it's PC nature it gets blown out.....Property Developers often do naughties, not saying it's right......sorry but there are a lot more important issues to worry about than some arrogant toff cutting a tree down.....

I now I will get some jip for saying "it's only a tree" but yes you have guessed it I am a POM, lovley jubbly tree but I just put things in perspective I guess.

[ManDownUnder]

Watching the morning news this morning, there was a piece about the guy in the Hawkes bay who's pleaded guilty to kidnapping and rape, they mentioned that it's quite possible he will get PD. Following this article was one about a property developer in Auckland who may be on his way to jail for cutting down a 100 year old Pohutukawa tree.

Now I don't condone cutting down historic trees unless there's extenuating circumstances, but you'd think it's a slightly less bad crime than kidnapping a woman, holding her for 24 hours, and raping her in the forest :spudwhat: .

How can we say we even have a justice system if we let things like this happen?

I have no problem with him getting PD...

Penile Detachment

But - getting serious on the topic. it's BS. The guys needs his nuts cut off and crushed, a lobotomy and time at Her Magesty's place of suffering in Mount Eden.

I agree.

Cutting down an old tree isn't a good thing either, but stuffing up this woman's chances of a sane future is leaves me short of words... and those that know me will attest - that's quite a feet

[Oscar]

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But it was only a tree..........but because of it's PC nature it gets blown out.....Property Developers often do naughties, not saying it's right......sorry but there are a lot more important issues to worry about than some arrogant toff cutting a tree down.....

I now I will get some jip for saying "it's only a tree" but yes you have guessed it I am a POM, lovley jubbly tree but I just put things in perspective I guess.


Yep, it was only a tree, but I guess it goes to respect for the law.
This is his fourth time for Dog's sake...arrogant bastid.

[In The Breeze]

It's the whole personal responsibility thing again. NZ lacks it in droves. Almost no one is prepared to stand up and admit they cocked up and now it's time for the punishment. It couldn't have been his fault that he turned into such a loser, which lead to him smoking up, which then led to him doing this dispicable crime, which has now led to him wasting a whole f***ing truckload of our taxes for the foreseeable future.

Short of a set up, there's no way I'll ever be in that situation. I just don't do drugs. Full-stop. But as it's a distinct possibility that I'll one day be in court explaining my riding, I think I've got my defense sussed:

I'm an only child. My parent's spoilt me. But they were never emotionally affectionate enough. So when I turned 12 I started watching hardcore p*** to gain the emotional support that I couldn't get from parents or siblings. I could no longer differentiate between reality and those movies. I thought all guys had 10inch knobs that were rock hard all the time. So when I looked in my own pants, I felt emotionally deflated. I never recovered from this traumatic ordeal in my upbringing, so later in life I bought a really fast motorbike to make up for my deflated emotions. And it did. I rode it really really fast and it made me feel like my average sized penis didn't matter and that all the girlies who saw me wanted to rip my leathers off and bang me senseless cos I had such a cool bike. One day I got chased by some cops for riding it really really fast. But when I fell off and got caught, there were no hot chick cops who wanted to suck me off on the roadside while they waited for the ambulance. And the gruff old sargeant put the baton in when I suggested the hot ambo chick get her tits out. The middle aged overweight nurses in hospital weren't too impressed either when I whipped it out in the middle of the specialist examination. And the older male specialist looking at my broken leg didn't seem too interested in tag teaming the nurses with the young male cop who was guarding me. So when I get to court, your honour, I'm disgusted to find that my rights have been violated here and my expectations were not met. You are judging me as an adult, which is completely unfair, because I've never been able to get past my childhood neglect. I don't believe a jail sentence is at all appropriate for the pedestrian I killed, because my mummy didn't cuddle me enough. Instead my mummy should be on trial here!

Man that's funny as hell :yeah:

[ManDownUnder]

Admitting to the use of illegal drugs, then using it as an excuse for doing crime, REALLY GETS UP MY NOSE!
ITS NO EXCUSE!!!!!!!

agreed 100%...

"your honour - I feel really bad about running over and killing that family... I was drunk you see, and well - surely that makes it better somehow?"

make it a Tui ad (actually there's an idea....) "You plead guilty to kidnap and rape? PD sounds like a fair punishment! YEAH RIGHT!"

[Damon]

Thats quite the imagination there madboy, you've been planing that for some time havn't you :sherlock:

It seems that the only people that get the full :buggerd: from the justice system are the ones that can put them selves into a minority, like fishslayer was saying, "i'm a normaly adjusted person that made a bad choice or something happened out of my hands please put the book up my ass", but if i was poor, had a drinking and/or drug problem or mental problem eg i got drunk and slept with a 13yr old because im depressed, then it's and advatage when i decide to break the law. what a load of bull shit :argh:

Tui ads would be great, "Sleeping with a 12yr old is ok because i was depresed", "Kidnap and Rape are ok if you get high first", "Lets have another to celebrate my drunk driving!"

[DMNTD]

Perhaps such a claim should automatically add 3 years to your sentence
Not sure but surely one day soon the courts might get an education on drugs and there actual effects including alcohol.
Also agree with the comments about the Maori activist(with a honky name) that cut the tree down on None Tree Hill. Sick of the government and other bodies,including education, having one rule for one and another for the rest.:mad:
I thought we were all Kiwi's...silly me :spudwhat:

[RantyDave]

I'm sick of reading shit that P "makes" ya do bad things etc.
No, I really think it does. You might be under the impression that what you decide to do is done at a conscious level, but actually miniscule quantities of certain chemicals affect what goes on in your brain so enormously that outside of a certain narrow band you really don't have much choice about things.

I'm saying this mainly because there are so many chemical inbalance things (lack of food in particular) that turn me into an obnoxious and/or useless bastard. And look at what a few microgrammes of acid can do to you ... not speaking from experience.

So, should P users be let off the hook for what they've done while under the influence? No. Shit no. They should be nailed to the cross and put on public display for anyone else who is thinking of taking P. This guy in Napier, or wherever it was, being a fine example. Lock the cunt up for ever. But the police should be paying more damn attention to finding and destroying P labs - and if some civil liberties go in the process, well, so be it. Of course, it goes without saying that this may mean fewer officers on taxation patrol...

Dave

[Damon]

Not sure but surely one day soon the courts might get an education on drugs and there actual effects including alcohol.
Also agree with the comments about the Maori activist(with a honky name) that cut the tree down on None Tree Hill. Sick of the government and other bodies,including education, having one rule for one and another for the rest.:mad:
I thought we were all Kiwi's...silly me :spudwhat:

it's more like, we're kiwis and your and educated whiteperson :kick:

ps not ment to be a racial taunt

[DMNTD]

it's more like, we're kiwis and your and educated whiteperson :kick:
ps not ment to be a racial taunt
Ya farking honky ballhead! :love: :whistle: What about me!

[yungatart]

No, I really think it does. You might be under the impression that what you decide to do is done at a conscious level, but actually miniscule quantities of certain chemicals affect what goes on in your brain so enormously that outside of a certain narrow band you really don't have much choice about things.

But you make the choice to take the bloody stuff in the first place-all things that happen as a direct result of you taking "P" are a direct result of the choice you made in the first place.

[Grahameeboy]

Yep, it was only a tree, but I guess it goes to respect for the law.
This is his fourth time for Dog's sake...arrogant bastid.

I think my post does agree with you on all counts.....just my perspective on life and glad to receive grief for it........Lou where are you?

[DMNTD]

No, I really think it does. You might be under the impression ...
...And look at what a few microgrammes of acid can do to you ... not speaking from experience.
I am though...

[Grahameeboy]

But you make the choice to take the bloody stuff in the first place-all things that happen as a direct result of you taking "P" are a direct result of the choice you made in the first place.

Agree......choice is that and if you take drugs knowing the potential consequences tuff.........don't take, don't rape

[Holy Roller]

Alcohol lowers inhibitions but P destroys them altogether. There are even P users who cant live with what they have done under the influence. I'm sure we all can remember the baby incident. Still should not an excuse for lighter punishments. Rather, what ever crime it is regardless of mitigating factors should have the same standards applied. A drunk driver runs over a pedestrain and claims the drink was the cause doesn't get it any easier nor should P users. IMHO The time MUST fit the crime or it is no deterent at all.

[Krayy]

But don't you see, it was only his poor upbringing, lack of education, and the fact that he's maori- giving him a poor start in life- that made him smoke "P" in the first place. Actually, it's all our fault and we'd better be quiet about it or we may be charged as accessories.
I blame the inconsiderate bastard who bought the expensive stereo and car that Mr Eagle had to steal and sell off to pay for the P in the first place. What the f**k are people thinking, filling up their (locked and alarmed) houses with such tempting gear that makes pieces of shit like this dickhead break in and go on a P fuelled rape binge!! Shame on you!! I'm going straight home and put my 5 grand Bose stereo onto Trade-me with a $1 reserve so I don't encourage this sort of behaviour

Btw, to the judge....:moon:

[ManDownUnder]

Shame on you!! I'm going straight home and put my 5 grand Bose stereo onto Trade-me with a $1 reserve so I don't encourage this sort of behaviour



tsk tsk tsk - silly lad... PM me - I'll take it off your hands

[Damon]

I blame the inconsiderate bastard who bought the expensive stereo and car that Mr Eagle had to steal and sell off to pay for the P in the first place. What the f**k are people thinking, filling up their (locked and alarmed) houses with such tempting gear that makes pieces of shit like this dickhead break in and go on a P fuelled rape binge!! Shame on you!! I'm going straight home and put my 5 grand Bose stereo onto Trade-me with a $1 reserve so I don't encourage this sort of behaviour

Btw, to the judge....:moon:

hahaha i know some one who thinks like that, he told me i was a fool for buying a nice car and putting in a nice stereo cause some one just wants to steal it, about 3 years later it was stolen but insurance took care of it,he spends all his dole money on drugs and drink because people cant take that from him :slap:

[Lou Girardin]

I think my post does agree with you on all counts.....just my perspective on life and glad to receive grief for it........Lou where are you?

I'm here.
PD is great if it's means a nice long term. But at the very least he's pleaded guilty and spared the victim the torture of a trial.
Having known another PD (property developer) who bragged of poisoning his neighbours trees so that he could get a view for his new development, I think they should get PD too.

[Phurrball]

Placeholder...Rant coming your way soon...

[kro]

Yer, personally, I think that whole "the drugs made me do it" thing is bullshit, the simple fact of the matter is he should not have been whacked out on meth to begin with, and at the very least he should be charged with possession and use of a class A, and locked up for a bit.

You hear the cases where judges let women off charges of killing chronicly abusive husbands/boyfriends, and only in these sorts of situations would I consider the "temporary insanity" plea to be valid, because people in those cases arent subjecting themselves to a mind crushing experience, its being forced on them. Noone forced P down this guys arm/nose where ever the shit goes.

If this guy gets off light, there will be copius amounts of excrement launched into the spinning blades of the nearest windfarm, it will be bad indeed.

[spudchucka]

What really pissed me off was the Woman convicted of having sex with a thirteen yo boy.

250 Hours community service under the new "non-sexist" law. What do you reckon a 23 yo man would have got for having sex with a 13 yo girl? 5 Years?

If thats not bad enough, the stupid slut was in Sunday's paper making excuses....
Not to mention the fact that she stands to make big $$$ from every sicko gossip mongering womans magazine in existance.

[spudchucka]

Admitting to the use of illegal drugs, then using it as an excuse for doing crime, REALLY GETS UP MY NOSE!
ITS NO EXCUSE!!!!!!!
In fact it should be an agravating factor that leads to harsher sentences. The dumb fucks know what they are doing to themselves when they take that shit, the consequences should come as no surprise.

[WINJA]

What do you reckon a 23 yo man would have got for having sex with a 13 yo girl? 5 Years?

ITS A COMMON THING AROUND HUNTERS CORNER AND NOTHING HAPPENS USUALLY , I WAS ANSWERING AN ALARM THERE LATE ONE NIGHT AND SOME OF THE STREET WORKERS LOOKED 13 OR EVEN YOUNGER , SOME HAD NO TITS . AND I SAW DOVER CRUISING BACK AND FORTH LOOKING FOR A BOY IN A DRESS

[bladez]

i think hang the bas-tard by the hairys and blame that on p :bash:

[marty]

there was a very well-written article by Catriona MacLennan in yesterday's herald, on the difference between the legal system and the justice system. a few people here should seek it out and read it.

[Oscar]

I think my post does agree with you on all counts.....just my perspective on life and glad to receive grief for it........Lou where are you?


Still not finished wid you fer thinking I was SLaw....:argh:

[MisterD]

there was a very well-written article by Catriona MacLennan in yesterday's herald, on the difference between the legal system and the justice system. a few people here should seek it out and read it.

If it's that good and relevant post it up!

[marty]

i would, but i don't have an online herald subscription, and the paper was at tauranga starbucks.....

[MisterD]

i would, but i don't have an online herald subscription, and the paper was at tauranga starbucks.....

:Offtopic: but honestly there must be how many independent local cafés in Tauranga and you went to Starbucks?

[The_Dover]

AND I SAW DOVER CRUISING BACK AND FORTH LOOKING FOR A BOY IN A DRESS

The P made me do it.

[ManDownUnder]

The P made me do it.I thought you were looking for crack...

[marty]

:Offtopic: but honestly there must be how many independent local cafés in Tauranga and you went to Starbucks?

oooh. and i ate some buns from bakers delight while i was having starbucks. and i went to burger king too! and i spent $300 on shoes at a national chain shoe shop!

strike me down with a tub of bullshit. it's my money, i'll spend it where I choose.

btw, do you always fill up at independent gas stations? do you NEVER spend money at international/national chain shops?

[marty]

and anyway, at 0730am, none of the 'independents' were open where i wanted to have my coffee.