140+... mate got done

[buellbabe]

Just heard from a petrol-head mate of mine, former Ferrari owner who currently has an Audi RS4 ( shits on a Ferrari )... anyways he got done for 143kmph and has lost his licence for a measley 28 days!!! Car didn't get impounded either! Now if he was on a bike the book would have been thrown at him don't ya think?

[Devil]

Just heard from a petrol-head mate of mine, former Ferrari owner who currently has an Audi RS4 ( shits on a Ferrari )... anyways he got done for 143kmph and has lost his licence for a measley 28 days!!! Car didn't get impounded either! Now if he was on a bike the book would have been thrown at him don't ya think?
Saying an RS4 shits on a ferrari is like saying a honda cub shits on a suzuki.

28 days suspension is mandatory. He hasn't got his fine yet.
Car doesn't get impounded unless its under the boy racer act (as far as im aware).

[buellbabe]

Saying an RS4 shits on a ferrari is like saying a honda cub shits on a suzuki.
.
You'd have to take that up with him, I'd be inclined to think he is speaking from experience...

[Devil]

You'd have to take that up with him, I'd be inclined to think he is speaking from experience...
Been there, done that. The only ferrari an RS4 would take out would have to be pre 348 i'd say (maybe a 355 if you're lucky). Unless of course you cheat and up the boost...

[SimJen]

RS4's are fast and grip pretty well, but depends which ferrari you take on.....wouldn't shit on an Enzo, and I doubt it would beat a well peddled F430 around a track. RS4's are fast off the line (if you are willing to break drive shafts) but like all (stock) 4 wheel drives they suffer understeer on a fast track.

[buellbabe]

gee perhaps I should have mentioned that the Audi ain't standard... and anyway thats not what I posted this thread about... I couldn't help but wonder if the law was lenient on him cos he was a straight guy in a car and not a hoon on bike... ya know what I'm saying?

[ManDownUnder]

gee perhaps I should have mentioned that the Audi ain't standard... and anyway thats not what I posted this thread about... I couldn't help but wonder if the law was lenient on him cos he was a straight guy in a car and not a hoon on bike... ya know what I'm saying?

Tough call without knowing all the facts - but a bit of a bugger anyway!

edit - love the signature LOL!

[WINJA]

depends on the situation , my street magic beat a ferrari thru traffic

[imdying]

Hard to comment when it hasn't gone to court yet... plenty of time for them not to be lenient.

[buellbabe]

BTW heres the specs...


QUOTE:
ok try this 400kw 0to 100k in 4.8 top end ungovened is 300k its faster than
the new one .they made only 1 batch at audis race car factory not the road
car lot which is in neckelsim. the rs4 standard was 390 hp but you could get
the dtm up gradet 400kw(about 490hp).its a twin kkk turbo with f1 rail
injection(forerunner of injection in new r8 lemans car).drysumped
intercooled..its power to weight is between that of the ferrari 288gto and
f40.it will get all porsches except for the new rsgt3.
END QUOTE

most of that is greek to me but I'm sure those who queried will now be satisfied

[Zed]

Now if he was on a bike the book would have been thrown at him don't ya think?Maybee, maybee not...i think it has been concluded on here many times that it all depends on the frame of mind of the *cop* at the time! Scary really. :(

[Postie]

sounds like he can afford the fine at least.:niceone:

[raster]

I know someone who was doing well over 170ks, the cop did him for 149ks so that he didn't loose his license, was clocked at 173ks.

By the way, I know a Toyota Starlet that could outdo a Porch 911 Turbo in a straight line and got undertaken at the first corner. :scooter:

[Sniper]

Guys, we are talking about bikes here. Who cares if an RS4 beats a ferrari. Rossi could kick both their asses.

Anyway, bugger, like postie said. At least he can afford the fine.

[Finn]

BTW heres the specs...


QUOTE:
ok try this 400kw 0to 100k in 4.8 top end ungovened is 300k its faster than
the new one .they made only 1 batch at audis race car factory not the road
car lot which is in neckelsim. the rs4 standard was 390 hp but you could get
the dtm up gradet 400kw(about 490hp).its a twin kkk turbo with f1 rail
injection(forerunner of injection in new r8 lemans car).drysumped
intercooled..its power to weight is between that of the ferrari 288gto and
f40.it will get all porsches except for the new rsgt3.
END QUOTE

most of that is greek to me but I'm sure those who queried will now be satisfied

With all that fruit, 4.8 ain't that good and it would certainly not get all Porsche's particulary a 997 Bi-Turbo with a factory upgrade - just to keep it fair. A stock GT2 would kill it. It's just too dam heavy and drifts like log on the track. The rsgt3 is natually asperated too.

The 288gto & F40 are old models and are pigs.

[Devil]

The bit that got me, was the whole comparing one particular car to a brand of cars...

4.8??? I would expect he could do better than that...
The RS2 would do that with just a lightened flywheel (380ish HP).

Never saw any upgraded 4's meself. The 6 got a bit too heavy.

[vifferman]

gee perhaps I should have mentioned that the Audi ain't standard... and anyway thats not what I posted this thread about... I couldn't help but wonder if the law was lenient on him cos he was a straight guy in a car and not a hoon on bike... ya know what I'm saying?
Well, I dunno.
Girlie at work's partner was taking her Sportster for a ride after an oil change (and fitting of some blingy new sidecovers) and got pinged on the NW motorway for over 140. I asked if he lost his licence and she said "No - just a hefty fine." Sounds a bit odd, unless she got the speed wrong. I thought it was a mandatory loss of licence for 140+. :spudwhat:

[mattt]

The bit that got me, was the whole comparing one particular car to a brand of cars...

4.8??? I would expect he could do better than that...
The RS2 would do that with just a lightened flywheel (380ish HP).

Never saw any upgraded 4's meself. The 6 got a bit too heavy.

Yeh I've driven the RS2 - they're the ones with porsche spec on 'em. Bit older i think.
RS4 this and RS4 that - who gives a fuck about cars, but one thing , what about the RS6 BiTurbo V8 - now this fucker is one 'family car' and fucking cool to drive - how they compare with rs4....?

[Devil]

I didnt get to drive the 6, but have done the passenger thing. Even from there you certainly notice the extra bulk. Its a BIG car.
I think i'd prefer the lighter, manual RS4 (well, RS2, if it wasn't a little old now). Though the RS6 with the sport exhaust option does sound the shiz :D

[SimJen]

BTW heres the specs...


QUOTE:
ok try this 400kw 0to 100k in 4.8 top end ungovened is 300k its faster than
the new one .they made only 1 batch at audis race car factory not the road
car lot which is in neckelsim. the rs4 standard was 390 hp but you could get
the dtm up gradet 400kw(about 490hp).its a twin kkk turbo with f1 rail
injection(forerunner of injection in new r8 lemans car).drysumped
intercooled..its power to weight is between that of the ferrari 288gto and
f40.it will get all porsches except for the new rsgt3.
END QUOTE

most of that is greek to me but I'm sure those who queried will now be satisfied

Hmmm, Ferrari F430 = 0-100 in 4 secs, Enzo = 0-100 in 3.3 secs, Stock 911 Turbo 2005 = 4.2 secs, a normal Carrera S does 0-100 in 4.8.....so not that quick at all and it won't get all porsches especially the GT3 which does 3.9 secs 0-100.
Still it sounds like a weapon, although most decent big bikes will kick its ass in a straight line and make you look cooler.
Sounds like he was talking smack....as all car drivers do. When you race someone on the road you never know if they are getting all they can out of their car.....they could be useless, as they invariably are-thats why they drive cars :)

[HenryDorsetCase]

The 288gto & F40 are old models and are pigs.

Oh well, I was going to give you my old one, cos its got 1500 on the clock, but won't if its a "pig"

and buellbabe, does your mate need a driver for a month? I can bring my own radar detector. All he'd have to do is put me up in the guest wing, and supply beer and stuff, no payment required. Ok I could probably manage to slip him a couple of hundy towards my air ticket.

[TLDV8]

... anyways he got done for 143kmph and has lost his licence for a measley 28 days!!! Car didn't get impounded either! Now if he was on a bike the book would have been thrown at him don't ya think?

I would like to know what the hard facts are on this speed ruling ... So i am on tour in the South Island (reverse say for Mainlanders) ...in the middle of nowhere cruising down a long straight at a (illegal) 141 kmh..get stopped,loose my licence ?..like i am going to leave my bike on the side of the road (broken law or not)..i would ride it to the nearest town etc risking a true criminal offence of evading the law... and then what,have my bike freighted back home.......If the decision is up to the person pulling you up,which is an unknown... hear siren,look at speedo.. !@#$... make decision to stop or keep going until somewhere safe for the bike is reached..seems a little drastic ???...... Obviously not going over the limit is the key,but........

[Big Dave]

depends on the situation , my street magic beat a ferrari thru traffic

what do you reckon would pull more chics?

[Lou Girardin]

I would like to know what the hard facts are on this speed ruling ... So i am on tour in the South Island (reverse say for Mainlanders) ...in the middle of nowhere cruising down a long straight at a (illegal) 141 kmh..get stopped,loose my licence ?...

Yes, summary roadside justice. No court, no appeal, (until much later) no chance.

[TLDV8]

Yes, summary roadside justice. No court, no appeal, (until much later) no chance.

Well if that is the informed answer to my question,then as a not exactly junior aged rider!!..if i was in that situation (legal or not) i described,i would not risk stopping.I do not give a flying !@#$ about car or bike,you can not simply lock a bike up and walk away,it would be gone with the first dishonest prick driving past in a van.

[bigbadwolf]

what do you reckon would pull more chics?

It's not called a "Street Magic" for nothing you know...

[Devil]

Isn't the RS6 faster than the RS4??
Well, I think yes, marginally. Not sure on its future though. I see the "new" rs4 out has biffed the turbos and gone for the n/a V8, I think it's too similar to the S4 now...

I think i'd get a little bored in both.

Hanging out for my ride in the new M5 and F430 spyder in the near future though :D

[The_Dover]

what do you reckon would pull more chics?

With WINJA as the driver/rider I think both would struggle, to be honest.

[KLOWN]

BTW heres the specs...


QUOTE:
ok try this 400kw 0to 100k in 4.8 top end ungovened is 300k its faster than
the new one .they made only 1 batch at audis race car factory not the road
car lot which is in neckelsim. the rs4 standard was 390 hp but you could get
the dtm up gradet 400kw(about 490hp).its a twin kkk turbo with f1 rail
injection(forerunner of injection in new r8 lemans car).drysumped
intercooled..its power to weight is between that of the ferrari 288gto and
f40.it will get all porsches except for the new rsgt3.
END QUOTE

most of that is greek to me but I'm sure those who queried will now be satisfied

As far as i'm aware the upgraded version is MTM and that 400kw is 536hp.

[EZAS]

Well, I think yes, marginally. Not sure on its future though. I see the "new" rs4 out has biffed the turbos and gone for the n/a V8, I think it's too similar to the S4 now...

I think i'd get a little bored in both.

Hanging out for my ride in the new M5 and F430 spyder in the near future though :D

The RS4 and the S4 has always been turbo'd except like you say, the last 2 models (2005 and 2006) are both V8's. The RS4 was faster than the RS6 untill they dropped the V8 in it (go figure). If i had my way they'd have a 2.6lt PP rotary in there.

The RS4 does 4.2 seconds(ish) 0-100k standard, your mates should be pulling a sub 4 second EZ AS, but yes it does understeer quite heavily. You can't say all 4wd's understeer as it depends on the front/rear ratio your running. Which is one reason people may have a preference between WRX's and EVO's. Although the mild understeer can be felt a simple ease off the accelrator and the car will correct itself immediately.

I went for a drive in a standard S4 (2.8l V6 Twin Turbo) and we got it sideways at around 130-140k in a Central City Auckland 50k zone. While I was needing a change of underware thd driver just laughed it off. The car tends to "drive itself" and isn't what I'd call "loose". Pretty boring Nana look to it as well.

If he was on a bike, why would he have stopped?

[madboy]

If I was up for a 140+ round up I'd have a strong preference for it being on a bike. Cos I don't think my 2.0 n/a Primera stationwagon with CVT box would be able to help me out quite as well as my 118hp bike :chase:

[SimJen]

You can't say all 4wd's understeer as it depends on the front/rear ratio your running. Which is one reason people may have a preference between WRX's and EVO's. Although the mild understeer can be felt a simple ease off the accelrator and the car will correct itself immediately.


You can say 4wds understeer. All current straight from the factory models understeer heaps. S4's, Evo's, WRX's. Beauty is though, give them the Scandinavian flick before entering a corner and you can drift the buggers right through.....not necessarily the quickest way but definately the coolest :)

[buellbabe]

Guys, we are talking about bikes here. Who cares if an RS4 beats a ferrari. Rossi could kick both their asses.

Anyway, bugger, like postie said. At least he can afford the fine.

Actually he works his butt off to support a wife and 3 kids , he is now in the dog-box and there is a good chance he may be forced to sell... wifey ain't impressed!

But anyways, I thought he was lucky not to have it impounded...
I was just curious to hear if anyone else has had a similar exprience... or knows of anyone who has lost their licence/ had their bike/car taken off them...

:Punk:

[judgeshock]

Don't know anyone yet buellbabe, i'm sure it won't be long before we all have heard of people losing their licence.:nono:

[Toast]

Actually he works his butt off to support a wife and 3 kids , he is now in the dog-box and there is a good chance he may be forced to sell... wifey ain't impressed!

But anyways, I thought he was lucky not to have it impounded...
I was just curious to hear if anyone else has had a similar exprience... or knows of anyone who has lost their licence/ had their bike/car taken off them...

:Punk:

Buellbabe, it sounds like your mate got the straight law, and nothing else, from what you tell us...

I've lost the licence once for exceeding the limit by 50km/h, and the second time doing a similar thing got to keep it 'cos the cop was a decent dude and decided that it would make more sense to just do me for 149km/h (save time in court, not leave me stranded in the middle of nowhere at 9pm on a Sunday night, etc.).

Lessons learnt:
In case 1: faster bikes can save you money in some cases.
In case 2: always check your mirrors after blasting from an on-ramp to the totally empty motorway.

[pritch]

Car didn't get impounded either! Now if he was on a bike the book would have been thrown at him don't ya think?

A local Taranaki businessman had his late model Mercedes impounded in the King Country under the boy racer legislation, for the heinous crime of "sustained loss of traction".

He was highly put out as he is the head of the local Chamber of Commerce or some such and is I guess in his fifties. I don't favour one law for the rich and one for the poor (I will acknowledge that it exists but I don't like it) but there is no way this guy would be identified by most people as a "boy racer" .

[cowboyz]

BTW heres the specs...


QUOTE:
ok try this 400kw 0to 100k in 4.8 top end ungovened is 300k its faster than
the new one .they made only 1 batch at audis race car factory not the road
car lot which is in neckelsim. the rs4 standard was 390 hp but you could get
the dtm up gradet 400kw(about 490hp).its a twin kkk turbo with f1 rail
injection(forerunner of injection in new r8 lemans car).drysumped
intercooled..its power to weight is between that of the ferrari 288gto and
f40.it will get all porsches except for the new rsgt3.
END QUOTE

most of that is greek to me but I'm sure those who queried will now be satisfied


400kw is closer to 530HP. I dont care about cars anyway.

[Bonez]

Just heard from a petrol-head mate of mine, former Ferrari owner who currently has an Audi RS4 ( shits on a Ferrari )... anyways he got done for 143kmph and has lost his licence for a measley 28 days!!! Car didn't get impounded either! Now if he was on a bike the book would have been thrown at him don't ya think?Ducatilovers dad got done a week or two ago.

[TygerTung]

Who cares they are euro shitters anyway, not like a proper japenese car.

Unless the new legislation has come into play you won't lose your licence for 40 over only 50 over.

And you CAN afford the fine, you can just pay it off over time, thats what I always do.

Somone who works their butt off JUST to support his wife and kids isn't going to have a flash car like a bloody expensive euro shitter RS6 and you say it's the factory race car version, this gives me the idea of big dollars, the person who works there arse off to support the wife and kids is going to have a normal garden variety corolla or somthing.

I've never been pulled over on my bike (maybe cos it's a honda CG), but I've been pulled over in my 'boy racer' car many times.

[madboy]

Unless the new legislation has come into play you won't lose your licence for 40 over only 50 over.It has, Jan 16 if I remember correctly. 50 over still applies for temporary speed reductions, like roadworks etc.

[Finn]

It has, Jan 16 if I remember correctly. 50 over still applies for temporary speed reductions, like roadworks etc.

So define "roadworks". Is that where there is a 50k sign on the open road, a couple of pieces of gravel and no road workers to be seen?

[crash harry]

BTW heres the specs...


QUOTE:
ok try this 400kw 0to 100k in 4.8 top end ungovened is 300k its faster than
the new one .they made only 1 batch at audis race car factory not the road
car lot which is in neckelsim. the rs4 standard was 390 hp but you could get
the dtm up gradet 400kw(about 490hp).its a twin kkk turbo with f1 rail
injection(forerunner of injection in new r8 lemans car).drysumped
intercooled..its power to weight is between that of the ferrari 288gto and
f40.it will get all porsches except for the new rsgt3.
END QUOTE

most of that is greek to me but I'm sure those who queried will now be satisfied

It's still german though. Italian cars are ALWAYS more fun than german cars, cos they're madder...Even a Fiat Panda is more fun than a Porche. (Pandas are wicked...)

[WINJA]

what do you reckon would pull more chics?
WHO CARES , BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE MY DOG

[WINJA]

With WINJA as the driver/rider I think both would struggle, to be honest.
I BET A CHICK WOULD RATHER HOP ON THE BACK OF MY MAGIC AND GET THERE WITHOUT HAVING A CRASH THAN HOP ON THE BACK OF YOUR K5/6 AND NEED SKIN GRAFTS AFTERWARDS . DOVERS FAVOURITE PICK UP LINE
"DO YOU LIKE HOSPITAL FOOD?"

[Zed]

WHO CARES , BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE MY DOGYour dog looks like he runs on batteries!

[WINJA]

Your dog looks like he runs on batteries!
YOU WONT THINK THAT AFTER SHE LATCHES ON TO YOUR SCROTUM

[Zed]

YOU WONT THINK THAT AFTER SHE LATCHES ON TO YOUR SCROTUMWell taught then.

[SPman]

Everyone seems to give us the stick, remember we dont make the law, we just enforce it and it doesnt mean we have to like it, though i support what happened with the merc; from what i heard he was being an absolute twat and treated the cop with total disrespect and contempt even though he created the situation.

Respect goes both ways.
People sometimes tend to forget there ARE two sides to every situation.......

[spudchucka]

So define "roadworks". Is that where there is a 50k sign on the open road, a couple of pieces of gravel and no road workers to be seen?
Forget about roadworks. You have to be aware of when you are in a permanent speed zone or a temporary speed zone, like the ones they set up around road works.

Permanent speed zone + 41 kph over posted limit = licence suspension.

Temporary speed zone + 51 kph over posted limit = licence suspension.

[N4CR]

Dynamytus - not all cops just go for cages. But an awesome few are like you, and they ride bikes.

That rs4 doing 0-100 in 4.8...? Hell if you completely shit a 250 4's clutch and gearbox you will be doing =/>5 secs :| Not to mention the F40 doing it in 3.8 with 470ish hp and aerodynamics to boot.

Oooh lookey here got a site!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F40

Top speed 324kmh? Audi don't have a shit show. And same with a fair amount of Porsches against the Audi.

Sorry... but couldn't let that slide.

[Lou Girardin]

In saying that the guy was lighting up his wheels on a reasonably busy street with lots of pedestrians around.


So what? He could have been going slower than other cars on the steet. Perhaps he should have been charged under environmental by-laws for emitting excessive smoke.:rolleyes:
Which brings up another point, how many people get pinged for excessive smoke?
It's be a bloody easy way to write a ticket, and do some good.

[Patrick]

So what? He could have been going slower than other cars on the steet. Perhaps he should have been charged under environmental by-laws for emitting excessive smoke.:rolleyes:
Which brings up another point, how many people get pinged for excessive smoke?
It's be a bloody easy way to write a ticket, and do some good.

Yeah, but then there will be another thread whinging about that ticket...

[SPman]

Yeah, but then there will be another thread whinging about that ticket...Only if you're riding an old Kwaka triple.......

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah, but then there will be another thread whinging about that ticket...

Not from me. I've been stuck fuming behind fuming cages too often.

[The_Dover]

I BET A CHICK WOULD RATHER HOP ON THE BACK OF MY MAGIC AND GET THERE WITHOUT HAVING A CRASH THAN HOP ON THE BACK OF YOUR K5/6 AND NEED SKIN GRAFTS AFTERWARDS . DOVERS FAVOURITE PICK UP LINE
"DO YOU LIKE HOSPITAL FOOD?"

Fair enuff. you give her a ride back to my place then at least she only needed skin grafts on her knees.

[KLOWN]

Fair enuff. you give her a ride back to my place then at least she only needed skin grafts on her knees.

:rofl: :rofl:

[oldguy]

About 3 years ago I got a speeding ticket, was clocked doing 147k,s main highway coming back from warkworth, the cop said if I had been doing another 3k,s I would have been walking home, he would have impounded the car, don't
know if I got of lucky or not, cost me $600 and 50 D points, never had another
speeding ticket untill yesterday on the way home from work on my bike his time, just doing 55k in a 50 k zone just not watching the speedo really suxs.
:doh:

[Finn]

About 3 years ago I got a speeding ticket, was clocked doing 147k,s main highway coming back from warkworth, the cop said if I had been doing another 3k,s I would have been walking home, he would have impounded the car, don't
know if I got of lucky or not, cost me $600 and 50 D points, never had another
speeding ticket untill yesterday on the way home from work on my bike his time, just doing 55k in a 50 k zone just not watching the speedo really suxs.
:doh:

Are you kidding? A speeding ticket for 5k's over the limit? That is almost worth an assault charge.

[WINJA]

Fair enuff. you give her a ride back to my place then at least she only needed skin grafts on her knees.
JUST GET A REAL SHEEP , IT WOULD SAVE A LOT OF WOMAN/MEN THEIR DIGNITY

[The_Dover]

Sorry WINJA mate, I don't go for Woman-men. I leave the ladyboys to those who truly appreciate their, erm, beauty?

[raster]

Point taken but the Boy racer ammendmant's to the Land Transport Act 1998 doesn't define a boy racer (that would be far too un PC) they just have 3 offences with specific ingredients.

In saying that the guy was lighting up his wheels on a reasonably busy street with lots of pedestrians around.

If he had lost control of the car (a merc v8) and ploughed into people who were on the side walk (which recently nearly happend with a Lamborgini crash on Brighton Road near Parnell) im sure there would be a different stance on it.

Everyone seems to give us the stick, remember we dont make the law, we just enforce it and it doesnt mean we have to like it, though i support what happened with the merc; from what i heard he was being an absolute twat and treated the cop with total disrespect and contempt even though he created the situation.

Respect goes both ways.

Very True Dynamytus50, sometimes we need to be reminded of this fact.

[DirtMad]

Pretty strong statements :gob: For the record ... I think S4`s arent even in the same league as a ferrari ... :mad:

I think youre right- if he was on a bike or a car, not resembling a pensioners shopping cart, he might have had the book thrown at him... :eek:

[madboy]

I can see how comparisons should be drawn between a stripped out 1980s quasi-racer with carbon fibre doors and string for door handles with a late-1990s model family sedan with big horsepower... NOT! What planet are you people on?

If we want to wade into the "what car" debate my money is on the Merc E55. More class and attitude than any Audi, better daily driver than an M5. Granted the Beemer is a quicker car, but quite frankly it's only quicker at speeds you shouldn't be doing on any public road anyway. And the E55 comes as a wagon, which means my missus could fit the dog in, so I'd be allowed to by one... shame I've got a house to pay for first. Oh well, perhaps in 22 years...

Why the hell am I talking cars on a bike site?

[Skyryder]

But anyways, I thought he was lucky not to have it impounded...
I was just curious to hear if anyone else has had a similar exprience... or knows of anyone who has lost their licence/ had their bike/car taken off them...

:Punk:

There is no automatic impounding of the vehicle. This will only happen if you attempt to ride away after the offence notice has been served. More charges more costs. Someones going to get killed either doing a runner or by a hit 'n' run.

Skyryder

[Toast]

Everyone seems to give us the stick, remember we dont make the law, we just enforce it.

This statement is bullshit. You're employed to look out for public safety, bring about justice, etc. The laws are your tools to do those such things.

[boomer]

Saying an RS4 shits on a ferrari is like saying a honda cub shits on a suzuki.

This liddle 6 undie honduh takes out 750 and thou Gixxers! Back in ya box

[sollie]

i was passed by a silver rs4 wagon last weekend and he was looking for a ticket

[Ixion]

This statement is bullshit. You're employed to look out for public safety, bring about justice, etc. The laws are your tools to do those such things.

Whilst eschewing the perjorative, this statement is actually correct. The primary function of the police is not to enforce laws , to give out tickets, or even to catch criminals. It is to maintain the Queens Peace, and the Rule of Law (which is not the same thing as "laws"). In practice of course, the most effective way to do this is usually to enforce the law. There is however nothing in law or in his oath that requires any constable to enforce any law (other than the requirement to obey the orders of his superior officer).

This is sometimes pertinent in NZ, more so in England and Scotland, where many quaint and long obsolete laws still remain on the statute books. The police do not enforce them of couse. It happens in NZ too - how often do the police chose to enforce laws regarding sedition, blasphemy, or obscene language in a public place ? Or the law reguiring traffic to keep left and not impede other road users!

So it is not a valid argument to argue that the police "only enforce the laws, not make them"